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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3250 on: July 29, 2026, 05:03:39 AM »
It should.

If the global economy has been thrown into a tizzy over this little thing we have going in the strait, imagine the effect if nukes were used.  And Iran would use them if they got them - mutually assured destruction is not a hinderence to fanatics.

no they wouldnt, nukes are a deterrent to prevent attacks

If Iran had nukes the USA wouldnt have attacked them.....


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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3251 on: July 29, 2026, 05:07:07 AM »
no they wouldnt, nukes are a deterrent to prevent attacks

If Iran had nukes the USA wouldnt have attacked them.....
Brutal if true  :)
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3252 on: July 29, 2026, 05:56:49 AM »
What about Postemptive Strikes?

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3253 on: July 29, 2026, 06:55:19 AM »
no they wouldnt, nukes are a deterrent to prevent attacks

If Iran had nukes the USA wouldnt have attacked them.....
This is why Ukraine never should have given theirs up after the Cold War. Nukes are the world's greatest peacekeepers.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3254 on: July 29, 2026, 07:15:07 AM »
no they wouldnt, nukes are a deterrent to prevent attacks

If Iran had nukes the USA wouldnt have attacked them.....

Qft.  Look no further than North Korea.

This is why Ukraine never should have given theirs up after the Cold War. Nukes are the world's greatest peacekeepers.

Also Qft.  Lots of getbiggers making great points ITT.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3255 on: July 29, 2026, 07:40:14 AM »
Qft.  Look no further than North Korea.


NK and Iran are different animals.  NK has nukes for regime survival and deterrence.  They don't have a founding ideology that calls for the complete destruction of Israel, and they are deeply rooted in martyrdom.

To support your belief you have to accept the Iranian government is rationally thinking entity, who places the same Western values on human life.

They aren't and they don't.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3256 on: July 29, 2026, 07:41:22 AM »
no they wouldnt, nukes are a deterrent to prevent attacks

If Iran had nukes the USA wouldnt have attacked them.....

Under this theory, Iran would then conduct proxy wars indefinitely with no fear of destruction.

So, even better to keep hitting them now.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3257 on: July 29, 2026, 07:56:14 AM »
People need to understand they are already in our countries.




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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3258 on: July 29, 2026, 10:30:37 AM »




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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3260 on: July 29, 2026, 12:38:35 PM »
Irongrip going full liberal was not on my come out of the mountains bingo card.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3261 on: July 29, 2026, 12:56:41 PM »
Irongrip going full liberal was not on my come out of the mountains bingo card.

Increases in gas prices can produce increases in estrogen levels for some folks.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3262 on: July 29, 2026, 01:24:30 PM »
Increases in gas prices can produce increases in estrogen levels for some folks.
Maybe a look at the "what if" the other side had won would bring some perspective?
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3263 on: July 29, 2026, 02:34:25 PM »
And Iran would use them if they got them - mutually assured destruction is not a hinderence to fanatics.
NK and Iran are different animals.  NK has nukes for regime survival and deterrence.  They don't have a founding ideology that calls for the complete destruction of Israel, and they are deeply rooted in martyrdom.

To support your belief you have to accept the Iranian government is rationally thinking entity, who places the same Western values on human life.

They aren't and they don't.

I think (guess) you are wrong here, all the analysts I watch say Iran is acting very rationally and it's the US that isn't or else they wouldn't have started this in the first place. Iran could have destroyed Israel during the 12 day war. It could destroy Israel now, with just the missiles, if they were suicidal. Imagine if they shot their whole arsenal of missiles towards Israel. You don't think so? Israel begged Trump to come in during the 12 day war because Iran was "destroying" them and Israel told Trump they would use nukes if he didn't help them. The Ayatollah had a fatwa against nukes, saying it was against Islam since they are so indiscriminate and their use obviously threatens human existence on the planet. I totally believe the fatwa was serious because many nuclear experts have said Iran has been just days away from nuke capability for many, many years now but evidently they didn't want to do that. Even US intelligence said they didn't have a nuke program since, what, 2003? As Tulsi testified. I see Israel as threatening human existence on the planet. Israel has the Samson option:

The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, romanized: b'rerat shimshon) is a deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against any country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."


— Martin van Creveld


What worries analysts is that their stance may have changed now with the new Ayatollah, that they may think they have no option left other than to make a few nukes as deterrence. I do  acknowledge that they embrace martyrdom. Before the 12 day war the nuclear scientists said they knew they could be killed at any time, "what can we do? we live as normal, if we are killed things will go on, there is a new generation after us." I posted a video where a scientist said that.* The current political leadership, for example the current president, have said that he has no fear of death, he knows they are vulnerable since they are so exposed. For me this is pretty admirable, they are very ballsy and warrior-like and even "masculine."

*Edit. Here's the video of a killed nuclear scientist



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I said Iran has been very tit-for-that and they have said they never attack first, only responding to US and Israeli attacks and then only proportionately so as not to climb up the escalation ladder too fast. Now after Netanyahu's meeting with Trump where Netanyahu said it was the best meeting ever Iran shot missiles against Jordan "unprovoked" and Trump said it was a "surprise attack." My read: Iran wants Trump to attack. They obviously feel a full scale war is now in their best interest. Among other things I'm guessing they want to deplete the munitions so there's absolutely none left of the precision missiles, and then there's the oil situation which will become catastrophic very soon. They are goading Trump, do something rash, act on emotion, let's go! LOL

Increases in gas prices can produce increases in estrogen levels for some folks.

Analysts I watch say gas prices are very important to most Americans. One said that through his travels that has been the main topic of discussion when gas prices have increased during this conflict. That it's so important it can cause total societal upheaval and mayhem if it increases beyond a certain point. Though Trump said he doesn't care about American's economic situation. Compare this to what other societies are willing to endure, for example the Iranians. I did see a blurb right now where Israel thinks Iranians are close to starting protesting against the regime, among other things because they have 90% inflation.

Iranians are more likely to make nuclear weapons now than before the conflict according to many or most analysts. The capability and stock of the nuclear material can't be destroyed by conventional weapons from above. It's said the only way is to have special forces go into the mountain or mountains to put explosives inside. So I'm still thinking nukes will probably be used at some point LOL, and especially if the US and Israel escalate wildly which will make Iran destroy the gulf and world economy.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3264 on: July 29, 2026, 02:58:24 PM »
Are you tired of winning yet?!

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3265 on: July 29, 2026, 03:29:53 PM »
Are you tired of winning yet?!

Just a little more bombing will secure the win, just flatten them and erase the bloodlines! Hey, maybe I'm wrong, I'm not Nostradamus, but every scenario seems bad for the US in different ways. Nuking them could finish the regime but would likely make the US a pariah and could be disastrous for the surrounding countries. "We can destroy them very easily, I could finish them in 5 minutes!" - Trump

We'll see, Trump promises to hit Iran hard now, though previous strikes were "very hard" too and obliterated and destroyed all their capabilities months ago.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3266 on: July 29, 2026, 04:15:02 PM »
I think (guess) you are wrong here, all the analysts I watch say Iran is acting very rationally and it's the US that isn't or else they wouldn't have started this in the first place.
We can tell.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3267 on: July 29, 2026, 06:31:33 PM »
Maybe a look at the "what if" the other side had won would bring some perspective?

We talkin about World War Two?

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3268 on: July 29, 2026, 08:05:29 PM »
NK and Iran are different animals.  NK has nukes for regime survival and deterrence.  They don't have a founding ideology that calls for the complete destruction of Israel, and they are deeply rooted in martyrdom.

To support your belief you have to accept the Iranian government is rationally thinking entity, who places the same Western values on human life.

They aren't and they don't.

My belief is that if Iran had a nuke, we wouldn’t have started this war.  That’s all.

Lol at “Western values on human life”.  Are those the same values that nuked two Japanese cities?  The same values that started a war with Vietnam over a hoax?  The same values that started a war with Iraq over a blatant lie?  The same values that blew up an Iranian girls’ school? 

Frankly, we should be thankful Iran doesn’t share those same “values” with us.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3269 on: July 29, 2026, 08:08:01 PM »
Maybe a look at the "what if" the other side had won would bring some perspective?

Try to keep up.  Iran already won.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #3270 on: July 29, 2026, 08:56:52 PM »
I'm blown away by how many America Firsters on this board are really just 2003 era neocons.  Amazing the short term memory on so many. 

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« Reply #3271 on: July 29, 2026, 11:22:01 PM »
I'm blown away by how many America Firsters on this board are really just 2003 era neocons.  Amazing the short term memory on so many.

I'm blown away that you don't see any difference apart from style
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I'm blown away that you don't see any difference apart from style

How so?

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I'm blown away by how many America Firsters on this board are really just 2003 era neocons.  Amazing the short term memory on so many.

I don't think "neocon" is really the right term. It can look that way if you're focused on the Iran hawks, but the people pushing the Ukraine war seem like a different set of lobbyists. Still, it's the same underlying problem, the military industrial complex. Corrupt politicians who put lobbyists priorities ahead of their constituents. Media narratives claiming the world will somehow be better if we bomb another foreign country. It's all nonsense. I don't think we should be involved in either Iran or Ukraine.