2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[chaos]

Haven't looked a this thread but yes, the way I understood Donnie's post was Reiner had TDS which is why his son got so angry and killed both parents, no? I am slow so it's possible the coin refuses to drop.

I don't know if his TDS is the reason his kid killed him and his wife. By all accounts the kid is a huge dope head (you might want to take notice)

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't know if his TDS is the reason his kid killed him and his wife. By all accounts the kid is a huge dope head (you might want to take notice)

I don't think TDS had anything to with what happened. I think Trump's post was in very bad taste and not in any way manly. In certain situations a man shouldn't talk bad even about their enemies, like when they just died in a tragic patricide. Just in my opinion of course.

A couple of days ago there was reporting about Trump's text messages to MTG quite some time ago, she's mentioned it many times in the past as a reason why she soured so bad on him. MTG was receiving a lot of death threats, against her family, she complained to Trump. Trump's response: "You deserve it." In my humble opinion a man would say to a woman, "that's not right, your family shouldn't be threatened, you shouldn't be threatened by lunatics."

Yes you have to be careful with drugs, they can make people do things they would never otherwise. I'm almost 50 and I haven't ever been violent, luckily. Decades ago when I drank on occasion I was always pleasant when drunk. People who can't handle their alcohol are the worst haha

[chaos]

I don't think TDS had anything to with what happened. I think Trump's post was in very bad taste and not in any way manly. In certain situations a man shouldn't talk bad even about their enemies, like when they just died in a tragic patricide. Just in my opinion of course.

A couple of days ago there was reporting about Trump's text messages to MTG quite some time ago, she's mentioned it many times in the past as a reason why she soured so bad on him. MTG was receiving a lot of death threats, against her family, she complained to Trump. Trump's response: "You deserve it." In my humble opinion a man would say to a woman, "that's not right, your family shouldn't be threatened, you shouldn't be threatened by lunatics."

Yes you have to be careful with drugs, they can make people do things they would never otherwise. I'm almost 50 and I haven't ever been violent, luckily. Decades ago when I drank on occasion I was always pleasant when drunk. People who can't handle their alcohol are the worst haha

I've said for years someone should take away Trumps social media access, his post was right on target for him, typical Trump post.

[Coach is Back!]

Update


https://x.com/centcomarabic/status/2111159191704633572/video/1?s=46

[illuminati]

When is this "war" going to Fucking end ?? Fuel prices here in the UK
are ridiculously high.

[Coach is Back!]

When is this "war" going to Fucking end ?? Fuel prices here in the UK
are ridiculously high.

The war itself ended months ago.

[Van_Bilderass]

When is this "war" going to Fucking end ?? Fuel prices here in the UK
are ridiculously high.

It's the other war, it's Zelensky's fault!

Seriously though, I think Prof. Robert Pape is great for understanding the choices Trump has. He's a heavyweight.

One issue he talks about is Iran's Shahed drones which it can use to threaten shipping in the strait. Say they have 5000 of them. Each is the size of a King Size mattress. The area from which Iran can launch them at ships is the size of 1.5 Californias. Not only is the area that large there's the Zagros mountains on the coast. Say you have the empire state building. Someone could launch a drone from the basement, the 10th floor, the 70th floor. The Zagros mountains is 11 times taller than the empire state building. Pape says to stop the threat the number of drones needs to be reduced to 200, preferably to under 100. Well you see the problem.

You said could crush Iran. I agree, he could crush Iran but at what political cost?Trump could kill tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of Iranian civilians and thereby break its will to fight. But then considering the secondary, tertiary etc effects, would it be a win?

It's a regional war now and I think it will expand further.

I don't expect anyone to watch, and I only watched half of this particular one myself, but I'll link this here just in case.

=5

[Stan Diego]

Update


https://x.com/centcomarabic/status/2111159191704633572/video/1?s=46

Problem is, the strait isn't actually open.

Here's a place that graphs the number of transit calls and total tonage of goods moved through the strait for people who don't want to get their information from Trump or the mainstream media:

https://en.macromicro.me/charts/94482/imf-strait-of-hormuz-number-of-ships-and-transit-volume

Click on the one year or two year chart to get a clear view

[Van_Bilderass]

The war itself ended months ago.

OK then why is there further troop buildup? It's actually not even a war anyway according to Trump. It's just a little "excursion" and "small potatoes." Hold on, I need to correct myself and refer to Trump's other statements. It's hard to keep up with the shifting narratives.

Not to worry, Trump promised the war will end immediately after the midterms. MAGA!

[Van_Bilderass]

It's been stated Iran can't have ballistic missiles with which it can then threaten the US and Israel and under which cover it can then develop nukes. Iran might have 15,000 missiles. It keeps introducing new ones and they keep getting more accurate due to Chinese and Russian intel. Iran has 1,000lbs of 60% enriched uranium under hundreds of feet of granite. US and Israel say they can't have it, they can't have even the ambition to develop nukes. And who's to say Iran doesn't already have a rudimentary nuke? So yeah I'm not so confident in Coach's claim of the war having been won months ago. The missile and uranium problems have to be solved somehow and Trump claims he's not interested in negotiations anymore.

Iran's boats are on the bottom of the ocean and they have no airforce (jets). Who gives a shit, they don't. They sit in caves sipping tea and seem very confident.

[Ron]

It's been stated Iran can't have ballistic missiles with which it can then threaten the US and Israel and under which cover it can then develop nukes. Iran might have 15,000 missiles. It keeps introducing new ones and they keep getting more accurate due to Chinese and Russian intel. Iran has 1,000lbs of 60% enriched uranium under hundreds of feet of granite. US and Israel say they can't have it, they can't have even the ambition to develop nukes. And who's to say Iran doesn't already have a rudimentary nuke? So yeah I'm not so confident in Coach's claim of the war having been won months ago. The missile and uranium problems have to be solved somehow and Trump claims he's not interested in negotiations anymore. Iran's boats are on the bottom of the ocean and they have no airforce (jets). Who gives a shit, they don't. They sit in caves sipping tea and seem very confident.

As I have stated over and over again, until Hamas, Hezbollah, Hoothies and Iran's ideology of the destruction of Israel stops, there won't be peace.  When they renounce that simple idea, stop the 'Tik Tok' propaganda bots, and really want some form of peace, it will happen.  In the meantime, France and Italy and some other European countries are going to go through a wakening of an attack on their societies. 

[Van_Bilderass]

As I have stated over and over again, until Hamas, Hezbollah, Hoothies and Iran's ideology of the destruction of Israel stops, there won't be peace.  When they renounce that simple idea, stop the 'Tik Tok' propaganda bots, and really want some form of peace, it will happen.  In the meantime, France and Italy and some other European countries are going to go through a wakening of an attack on their societies.

I've had a lot to say about all that

There just might be some legitimate grievances.

In English, Netanyahu et al talk about the wonderful people of Iran, about their wonderful civilization. In Hebrew it sounds different... return Iran to the stone age by committing war crimes. This was always the plan, Trump stopped Israel from attacking civilian infrastructure the first round. Now they're waiting for a green light from Trump to go ahead with it. The humanitarian talk is bullshit, always was. Israel wants all surrounding countries to fall into chaos, civil war. That way they aren't a threat to their ME hegemony.

Attacking energy means killing civilians, it's the explicit goal. Trump promised to liberate the wonderful Iranians. This the way to do it?

You can debate whether there is such a thing as war crimes. Seems only Muslims and Russia can commit war crimes.

[Ron]

I've had a lot to say about all that There just might be some legitimate grievances. In English, Netanyahu et al talk about the wonderful people of Iran, about their wonderful civilization. In Hebrew it sounds different... return Iran to the stone age by committing war crimes. This was always the plan, Trump stopped Israel from attacking civilian infrastructure the first round. Now they're waiting for a green light from Trump to go ahead with it. The humanitarian talk is bullshit, always was. Israel wants all surrounding countries to fall into chaos, civil war. That way they aren't a threat to their ME hegemony. Attacking energy means killing civilians, it's the explicit goal. Trump promised to liberate the wonderful Iranians. This the way to do it? You can debate whether there is such a thing as war crimes. Seems only Muslims and Russia can commit war crimes.

That is Katz.  A simple message from Iran, hey we recognize Israel, sign an agreement into not attacking each other, stop the attacks with the proxies Hezbollah and Hamas, and everything else is done.  With Iran for years ranting about destroying Israel, you are very wary of it.  As for them saying something different in Hebrew vs English, not really.  If you are talking about 3% of the fringe radicals, maybe.  But the super majority just want the threat of the destruction of Israel to stop, without the Tik Tok leftists and their believers.  But yes, 3-4 weks going into an election in the US and Israel, it is going to be very interesting.

[IroNat]

It's been stated Iran can't have ballistic missiles with which it can then threaten the US and Israel and under which cover it can then develop nukes. Iran might have 15,000 missiles. It keeps introducing new ones and they keep getting more accurate due to Chinese and Russian intel. Iran has 1,000lbs of 60% enriched uranium under hundreds of feet of granite. US and Israel say they can't have it, they can't have even the ambition to develop nukes. And who's to say Iran doesn't already have a rudimentary nuke? So yeah I'm not so confident in Coach's claim of the war having been won months ago. The missile and uranium problems have to be solved somehow and Trump claims he's not interested in negotiations anymore.

Iran's boats are on the bottom of the ocean and they have no airforce (jets). Who gives a shit, they don't. They sit in caves sipping tea and seem very confident.

If Iran tested a nuke it would be readily detected.

Could they have an untested nuke?  Maybe.

Israel is assumed to have nukes but do they really?  Have they ever tested a nuke?  No, they have not.
Yet they are "assumed" to have an arsenal of up to 400 deliverable nukes.

Every other nuke equipped world power has publicly tested nukes.

[Humble Narcissist]

If Iran tested a nuke it would be readily detected.

Could they have an untested nuke?  Maybe.

Israel is assumed to have nukes but do they really?  Have they ever tested a nuke?  No, they have not.
Yet they are "assumed" to have an arsenal of up to 400 deliverable nukes.

Every other nuke equipped world power has publicly tested nukes.

If Israel had nukes they would have used them by now.

[Van_Bilderass]

That is Katz.  A simple message from Iran, hey we recognize Israel, sign an agreement into not attacking each other, stop the attacks with the proxies Hezbollah and Hamas, and everything else is done.  With Iran for years ranting about destroying Israel, you are very wary of it.  As for them saying something different in Hebrew vs English, not really.  If you are talking about 3% of the fringe radicals, maybe.  But the super majority just want the threat of the destruction of Israel to stop, without the Tik Tok leftists and their believers.  But yes, 3-4 weks going into an election in the US and Israel, it is going to be very interesting.

It's not that simple and there are no simple solutions. Israel threatens a lot of countries, not just Iran. Turkey, Pakistan, well every surrounding country. Eretz Israel. Israel fights with proxies as well. There are reasons why Iran talks about the great and little Satan, it's not just hatred for no reason at all. Look at how the US has meddled in Iran for so many decades.

Looks like it could go kinetic any minute now. Probably a heavier attack than we've seen thus far.

[chaos]

Looks like it could go kinetic any minute now. Probably a heavier attack than we've seen thus far.

You've been saying this for months, sounds a lot like "eeron is 3 weeks away from nuclear capabilities" to me.

[oldschoolfan]

If Iran tested a nuke it would be readily detected.

Could they have an untested nuke?  Maybe.

Israel is assumed to have nukes but do they really?  Have they ever tested a nuke?  No, they have not.
Yet they are "assumed" to have an arsenal of up to 400 deliverable nukes.

Every other nuke equipped world power has publicly tested nukes.

you have a great point there off

the last time a nuke was tested was in 2017 underground by north korea

the u.s last official nuke test was in 1992

also nukes take a ton of maintenance to stay operational , i seriously doubt most of the soviets nukes even work 

[Van_Bilderass]

You've been saying this for months, sounds a lot like "eeron is 3 weeks away from nuclear capabilities" to me.

Maybe, but Trump has been talking about Iran being hit very hard after the midterms. He of course talks a lot of shit but embassy personnel have been told to evacuate a few days ago, usually a good indicator. Israel has been doing some type of probing flights with jets, possibly to provoke an Iranian response. You can't automatically trust the media but they are all reporting about an imminent attack.

Israel has turned up the rhetoric, how they are only waiting for a green light from Trump to start hitting civilian infrastructure. Bibi's talking about finishing Iran once and for all.

Let's see.

also nukes take a ton of maintenance to stay operational , i seriously doubt most of the soviets nukes even work

So then Trump is a fool to talk about Russia being a nuclear power. I think I have seen some claims here and there about Russian arsenal being in a sorry state but I haven't really seen any 'serious' people doubting their capability.

Do you think US nukes work?

I see some doubt there is even such a things as a nuclear bomb, Japan was firebombed

If Iran tested a nuke it would be readily detected.

Could they have an untested nuke?  Maybe.

Israel is assumed to have nukes but do they really?  Have they ever tested a nuke?  No, they have not.
Yet they are "assumed" to have an arsenal of up to 400 deliverable nukes.

Every other nuke equipped world power has publicly tested nukes.

So you doubt Israel has nukes? I don't.

Iran hasn't tested a nuke, true. I guess Iran could also make a "dirty bomb" which would contaminate an area? Iran probably doesn't have a nuke but serious people don't seem to 100% positively rule it out.

But if Iran doesn't have it, haven't and can't test one, then the talk about them being 10 days away from nuking Israel and the US was complete shit. Bibi was just on Fox news saying Iran would very soon be able to nuke every single US city.

[chaos]

Maybe, but Trump has been talking about Iran being hit very hard after the midterms. He of course talks a lot of shit but embassy personnel have been told to evacuate a few days ago, usually a good indicator. Israel has been doing some type of probing flights with jets, possibly to provoke an Iranian response. You can't automatically trust the media but they are all reporting about an imminent attack.

Israel has turned up the rhetoric, how they are only waiting for a green light from Trump to start hitting civilian infrastructure. Bibi's talking about finishing Iran once and for all.

Let's see.

As do you, Van_Trumpsass.

[Van_Bilderass]

As do you, Van_Trumpsass.

You as well Mr Shitdisturber

Several times you've said most of what Trump says is absolute bullshit just to irritate people. When I say it you suddenly have a problem.

[chaos]

You as well Mr Shitdisturber

Several times you've said most of what Trump says is absolute bullshit just to irritate people. When I say it you suddenly have a problem.

I just pointed out that you also talk a lot of shit, Trump_Buysyourass.

[Van_Bilderass]

I just pointed out that you also talk a lot of shit, Trump_Buysyourass.

I try to be cautious, I said "looks like" and "probably." Even for Trump or Netanyahu the calculation could change within the hour, based on any number of factors. Hegseth was just in Israel, maybe to understand what the Israeli plan was for sure, maybe to coordinate. It does take a long time to line everything up so the presumptive plan is "old," you see carrier strike groups moving into position like now. Jets moved out of Qatar, refuelers coming in.

The carriers I understand are like 1,000km away so that speaks against Iran having been militarily defeated.

Iran says if infrastructure is hit or leadership is targeted they could cut the undersea internet cables which would be a huge problem.

[Humble Narcissist]

I try to be cautious, I said "looks like" and "probably." Even for Trump or Netanyahu the calculation could change within the hour, based on any number of factors. Hegseth was just in Israel, maybe to understand what the Israeli plan was for sure, maybe to coordinate. It does take a long time to line everything up so the presumptive plan is "old," you see carrier strike groups moving into position like now. Jets moved out of Qatar, refuelers coming in.

The carriers I understand are like 1,000km away so that speaks against Iran having been militarily defeated.

Iran says if infrastructure is hit or leadership is targeted they could cut the undersea internet cables which would be a huge problem.

No Getbig!!!

[chaos]

I try to be cautious, I said "looks like" and "probably."

This is the technique used by people who want to spread fake news but don't want accountability for it. A page right out of the jew controlled mainstream media.