The Moment Air Canada Flight hit Firetruck in NYC

[Lartinos]

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The air traffic controller said he messed up.

They were responding to a separate emergency involving a United Airlines flight that had reported an "odor" in the cabin.

[illuminati]

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The air traffic controller said he messed up.

They were responding to a separate emergency involving a United Airlines flight that had reported an "odor" in the cabin.

You'd of thought the driver of the fire truck & those with him would be eyes peeled for an
Airplane especially when crossing a runway. !! 
Far easier for the truck to get out the way - not much the pilots of the plane could do.

[Lartinos]

You'd of thought the driver of the fire truck & those with him would be eyes peeled for an
Airplane especially when crossing a runway. !! 
Far easier for the truck to get out the way - not much the pilots of the plane could do.

Yup, and the fire truck guys survive with broken bones while the pilots are dead.

[illuminati]

Yup, and the fire truck guys survive with broken bones while the pilots are dead.

Damn - Thats awful.

[obsidian]

Yup, and the fire truck guys survive with broken bones while the pilots are dead.

I saw that. Crazy that the truck occupants survived. Must have been built like a tank! It looks mangled though in the aftermath video. They were hit from behind though so that saved them. A front collision would have most likely killed them.

[Brenda Steunbeer]

"Evasive maneuvres Mr Data"

[Palumboism]

I saw that. Crazy that the truck occupants survived. Must have been built like a tank! It looks mangled though in the aftermath video. They were hit from behind though so that saved them. A front collision would have most likely killed them.

Compared to a regional jet, a fire truck is built like a tank.  The fuselage of a jet is just an aluminum tube and very fragile on impact.  The steel beams on a truck chassis are incredibly strong and would tear right through an aircraft fuselage.

[Humble Narcissist]

I would never want the responsibility of an air traffic controller. Must be a super stressful job.

[NaturalWonder83]

This all makes NO SENSE.

How could the fire truck not observe the airplane landing??

Watch the video. The plane and fire truck are VERY far apart and the fire truck had ample time to see the plane coming in for landing. It's like the Austin Powers scene with the steamroller crushing the henchman.

If the fire truck was driving in the airport, in a place where airplanes probably are going to be landing, wouldn't you think that they were be hyper vigilant for any airplanes?

And don't the air traffic controllers know what runways are going to have planes ladning?

[tacobender]

That is so sad. My heart goes out to all of them and their family. The pilots teeth are probably all over the place that plane was mangled.

[Irongrip400]

This all makes NO SENSE.

How could the fire truck not observe the airplane landing??

Watch the video. The plane and fire truck are VERY far apart and the fire truck had ample time to see the plane coming in for landing. It's like the Austin Powers scene with the steamroller crushing the henchman.

If the fire truck was driving in the airport, in a place where airplanes probably are going to be landing, wouldn't you think that they were be hyper vigilant for any airplanes?

And don't the air traffic controllers know what runways are going to have planes ladning?

Bright lights flashing all over the place, probably got confused. I’ve worked on active runways and the control tower runs the show. You ask permission to cross the runway, they answer and you go. There’s incursions all the time you never hear about, pilots landing on the wrong runways etc, it’s not until something like this happens that you hear about it and think “what a boneheaded move”. Sucks and very sad because it was avoidable.

[chaos]

Compared to a regional jet, a fire truck is built like a tank.  The fuselage of a jet is just an aluminum tube and very fragile on impact.  The steel beams on a truck chassis are incredibly strong and would tear right through an aircraft fuselage.

I see what you did there.

[obsidian]

The controller repeatedly told the truck to stop, but adding a specific warning like 'Stop, you are entering the path of an landing aircraft!' might have broken the driver's focus on the crossing and alerted them to the immediate danger.

Both ATC and the truck driver share responsibility: the controller for the late realization and the driver for missing the numerous "stop" instructions. While some suggest pilots should monitor all frequencies, during a high-workload landing, they must prioritize their assigned frequency; expecting them to catch a ground-to-vehicle error is likely unrealistic.

[obsidian]

Compared to a regional jet, a fire truck is built like a tank.  The fuselage of a jet is just an aluminum tube and very fragile on impact.  The steel beams on a truck chassis are incredibly strong and would tear right through an aircraft fuselage.

Absolutely, that’s a good point — the fire truck is basically a tank compared to a regional jet. The CRJ-900’s fuselage is aluminum and wasn’t built to take that kind of impact.

That said, the plane itself isn’t light by any means — it weighs around 75,000 pounds. At runway speeds over 100 mph, it carries a huge amount of momentum. When it collided with the Oshkosh Striker 1500, which itself is about 60,000 pounds of steel and water, it was essentially two massive machines coming together. The truck’s armored chassis ended up winning out, but the plane’s own weight made the impact devastating. I understand the truck occupants were also injured. Not sure how severely.

[Palumboism]

Absolutely, that’s a good point — the fire truck is basically a tank compared to a regional jet. The CRJ-900’s fuselage is aluminum and wasn’t built to take that kind of impact.

That said, the plane itself isn’t light by any means — it weighs around 75,000 pounds. At runway speeds over 100 mph, it carries a huge amount of momentum. When it collided with the Oshkosh Striker 1500, which itself is about 60,000 pounds of steel and water, it was essentially two massive machines coming together. The truck’s armored chassis ended up winning out, but the plane’s own weight made the impact devastating. I understand the truck occupants were also injured. Not sure how severely.

I was surprised how much damage was done to the Oskosh. It was on it's side.
I guess it was the one that was hit broad side by a vehicle of similar weight going over 60 mph.

The other thing is the CRJ was developed from a small business jet, the Challenger 600.  It just doesn't have the structure of an A320.