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"the estimated cost of completing Gavin Newsom’s fantasy train project has ballooned to a staggering $231 billion"

https://nypost.com/2026/04/28/us-news/california-high-speed-rail-falls-behind-as-costs-soar-to-231-billion/


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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2026, 06:19:39 AM »
It was DOA.

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2026, 07:07:10 AM »
Wait until he's the president!! :D
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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2026, 02:24:16 PM »
"the estimated cost of completing Gavin Newsom’s fantasy train project has ballooned to a staggering $231 billion"

https://nypost.com/2026/04/28/us-news/california-high-speed-rail-falls-behind-as-costs-soar-to-231-billion/



If built, It would be close to a trillion $.   ::)

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2026, 03:32:41 PM »
The US will never have a high speed rail system like France, Japan, Korea, China or even Germany.   

The US relies more on plane and car travel unlike France, Japan, Korea and China.  Nobody really takes a train anywhere now days.  I mean, from Ft Lauderdale to DC the Amtrak is about 25 hours.  You can drive there in 14 hours or fly for less than $150 which is less than the gas your vehicle would require.  (I believe NYC is about 30 hours and the flights are the same price.)  And Amtrak is really not high speed per se.  If I am going to spend 25-30 hours traveling somewhere, I better be using foreign currency when I get there.   

All new infrastructure would have to be built since the majority of rails in the US are privately owned.  Acquiring land, building new rails that can support the higher speeds would be expensive.  On the flip side, countries like Japan, Korea and China have to rely on rail systems because they can't really handle high numbers of vehicles.  This is why you see countries like Brazil, Korea and Singapore regulating cars on their streets through different means (banning cars based on the last number of the license plate on certain days -  Brazil -, making cars horribly expensive to own - entitlement to car ownership - Singapore). 

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2026, 05:16:04 PM »
The US will never have a high speed rail system like France, Japan, Korea, China or even Germany.   

The US relies more on plane and car travel unlike France, Japan, Korea and China.  Nobody really takes a train anywhere now days.  I mean, from Ft Lauderdale to DC the Amtrak is about 25 hours.  You can drive there in 14 hours or fly for less than $150 which is less than the gas your vehicle would require.  (I believe NYC is about 30 hours and the flights are the same price.)  And Amtrak is really not high speed per se.  If I am going to spend 25-30 hours traveling somewhere, I better be using foreign currency when I get there.   

All new infrastructure would have to be built since the majority of rails in the US are privately owned.  Acquiring land, building new rails that can support the higher speeds would be expensive.  On the flip side, countries like Japan, Korea and China have to rely on rail systems because they can't really handle high numbers of vehicles.  This is why you see countries like Brazil, Korea and Singapore regulating cars on their streets through different means (banning cars based on the last number of the license plate on certain days -  Brazil -, making cars horribly expensive to own - entitlement to car ownership - Singapore).
So you admit Gavin Newsom is a fucking idiot. Nice.
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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2026, 06:56:09 PM »
The US will never have a high speed rail system like France, Japan, Korea, China or even Germany.   

The US relies more on plane and car travel unlike France, Japan, Korea and China.  Nobody really takes a train anywhere now days.  I mean, from Ft Lauderdale to DC the Amtrak is about 25 hours.  You can drive there in 14 hours or fly for less than $150 which is less than the gas your vehicle would require.  (I believe NYC is about 30 hours and the flights are the same price.)  And Amtrak is really not high speed per se.  If I am going to spend 25-30 hours traveling somewhere, I better be using foreign currency when I get there.   

All new infrastructure would have to be built since the majority of rails in the US are privately owned.  Acquiring land, building new rails that can support the higher speeds would be expensive.  On the flip side, countries like Japan, Korea and China have to rely on rail systems because they can't really handle high numbers of vehicles.  This is why you see countries like Brazil, Korea and Singapore regulating cars on their streets through different means (banning cars based on the last number of the license plate on certain days -  Brazil -, making cars horribly expensive to own - entitlement to car ownership - Singapore).

From personal experience the trains in the northeast corridor connecting DC, Philly, NYC, and Boston are incredibly convenient. It beats flying. You get to bypass the TSA lines. There's tons more space on board and you can walk around freely. I wish we had that system nationwide. I think the lower population densities won't support it. Plus government waste and corrupt bloated contracts drive project costs beyond what is feasible. It’s a real shame.

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2026, 05:40:08 AM »
So you admit Gavin Newsom is a fucking idiot. Nice.

Newsome took office January 2019.

1996: The California High-Speed Rail Authority was established.
2008: Proposition 1A passed, authorizing $9.95 billion in bonds.
2013: Initial construction contracts were awarded.
January 6, 2015: Groundbreaking took place in Fresno, marking the start of physical construction.

The project was continued under his watch.  Which I am unaware of how any of the CA residents voted for anything related to this.  But I will admit you are an idiot no matter what.  Facts.

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2026, 05:44:01 AM »
From personal experience the trains in the northeast corridor connecting DC, Philly, NYC, and Boston are incredibly convenient. It beats flying. You get to bypass the TSA lines. There's tons more space on board and you can walk around freely. I wish we had that system nationwide. I think the lower population densities won't support it. Plus government waste and corrupt bloated contracts drive project costs beyond what is feasible. It’s a real shame.

Yeah, it is a shame.  It is amazing to be honest.  I was in France this past March and the high speed rail from Paris to Avignon was 2 1/2 hours.  Driving would have been about 7.  And the tickets was only 24 euros.  That was booked a month in advance.  The day before was about 60 euros.  Still cheaper than a plane ticket and much better food options.

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Yeah, it is a shame.  It is amazing to be honest.  I was in France this past March and the high speed rail from Paris to Avignon was 2 1/2 hours.  Driving would have been about 7.  And the tickets was only 24 euros.  That was booked a month in advance.  The day before was about 60 euros.  Still cheaper than a plane ticket and much better food options.
Was it a scenic trip? I always wanted to ride a train across the U.S. until I saw the price.

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2026, 11:28:15 AM »
Was it a scenic trip? I always wanted to ride a train across the U.S. until I saw the price.

Not really.   The last half hour is decent, as you approach Avignon you will see vineyards and old villages.  But prior it was just a landscape that would not hold interest beyond a passing glance other than the Rhone.  It's really just designed as a super fast people mover from Point A to Point B. 

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2026, 12:49:18 PM »
Newsome took office January 2019.

1996: The California High-Speed Rail Authority was established.
2008: Proposition 1A passed, authorizing $9.95 billion in bonds.
2013: Initial construction contracts were awarded.
January 6, 2015: Groundbreaking took place in Fresno, marking the start of physical construction.

The project was continued under his watch.  Which I am unaware of how any of the CA residents voted for anything related to this.  But I will admit you are an idiot no matter what.  Facts.

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high speed rail is cool. I have been on a few. It's quite convenient and I prefer it to flying for short distance treks.

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Re: California’s high-speed rail now ‘worst project in history’
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2026, 12:51:21 PM »
chaos getting savaged.

high speed rail is cool. I have been on a few. It's quite convenient and I prefer it to flying for short distance treks.
Savaged? Are you 12? I've seen several suspect posts from you, steady decline, clearly you've been locked out of your AI account.
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Savaged? Are you 12? I've seen several suspect posts from you, steady decline, clearly you've been locked out of your AI account.

Weird post.

This angle won't work either.
A new avenue is needed, you lack the ability for repartie. Same old runnels, flexibility is needed to troll well.

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Weird post.

This angle won't work either.
A new avenue is needed, you lack the ability for repartie. Same old runnels, flexibility is needed to troll well.
Bold of you to lecture on repartee while demonstrating none.
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