RIP Patrick Arnold

[Humble Narcissist]

At least he lifted.

[Van_Bilderass]

Arnold wasn’t driven by money, his brothers said, leaving checks uncashed and profiting little from his notoriety in the 2000s, while federal raids doomed his lab. Six months before his death, he posted on LinkedIn about occasionally receiving federal food assistance. Arnold never married or had children and focused primarily on his work.

Mad scientist. He should have charged hundreds of thousands for THG and epitest cream. I'm not a chemist but what Pat was doing wasn't really hard to come up with. He found the THG in Julius Vida's book, where later all the supp companies found the Superdrol and M1T etc, and then he logically understood you needed epitest to keep the test to epitest ratios normal so as to not raise suspicion. Imagine what a state sponsored doping program can do. China, Russia. I can think of a few relatively simple things like new testosterone and GH raising peptides, never mind the theoretical viruses that raise natural IGF-1 etc.

[LurkerNoMore]

He changed the game and created a place in the history of this industry for sure.  Like Animal with his fina conversation kits and Kneller with his blue print on how to run a steroid mail order business.  I am sure there are others that made game changing discoveries too for the rest of us.

[sync pulse]

So...he developed various...new "things"  that were anabolic, and he used them on himself...and he died in his late 50's...hmmm... mysterious!

[pamith]

R.I.P., I think he created 1-AD. What was the cause of death?

[AbrahamG]

R.I.P., I think he created 1-AD. What was the cause of death?

He ruptured a vein in his massive cock and bled out. 

[pamith]

He ruptured a vein in his massive cock and bled out.

Brutal if true

[Bevo]

He ruptured a vein in his massive cock and bled out.

Wow! Very impressive

[Van_Bilderass]

So...he developed various...new "things"  that were anabolic, and he used them on himself...and he died in his late 50's...hmmm... mysterious!

I think he was a hardcore rec druggie and some of those he developed himself too! So I would lean towards something like that, OD or damage from that, but I don't know obviously. Like I said earlier here his posts on FB looked like he was often in an altered state.

[claymore]

Was a legend…R.I.P my friend 🫶🏻🙏🏻🕊️

[joswift]

Fuck. RIP Patrick. I knew of him since I got on the internet and I still occasionally checked up on him to see what was going on with him on FB, just did the other day.
He came across as stupid a lot of times through his FB posts. He seemed to have a lot of problems with drugs and I wondered if he was really altered a lot of the times he posted.

that full stop after "fuck" was probably the most important full stop I have seen in a while

It reads totally differnt without it

[MCWAY]

Wasn't he the guy who introduced androstenedione to the supplement market?

That stuff sold like hot cakes in the late 90s, especially the brands from Osmo and MuscleTech. MuscleMag International based their entire publication on this stuff (well that, and silicon-stuffed "fitness" models).

[Van_Bilderass]

Wasn't he the guy who introduced androstenedione to the supplement market?

That stuff sold like hot cakes in the late 90s, especially the brands from Osmo and MuscleTech. MuscleMag International based their entire publication on this stuff (well that, and silicon-stuffed "fitness" models).

Yes. Pat wasn't crazy enough to fuck with the Superdols and M1Ts though, while others made a killing. Too lazy to look it up now if the BALCO scandal was before those drugs were sold but he obviously had a target on him. But they were as much steroids as the THG he developed and were all "discovered" from the same book. Wonder how much Gaspari made off the steroids like Halodrol, millions I'm sure. Pat was on gov assistance.

[MCWAY]

Yes. Pat wasn't crazy enough to fuck with the Superdols and M1Ts though, while others made a killing. Too lazy to look it up now if the BALCO scandal was before those drugs were sold but he obviously had a target on him. But they were as much steroids as the THG he developed and were all "discovered" from the same book. Wonder how much Gaspari made off the steroids like Halodrol, millions I'm sure. Pat was on gov assistance.

Just out of curiosity, why is DHEA the only pro hormone that didn't get banned? Androstenedione, androstenediol, norandrostenedione, norandrostendiol, etc. all got whacked by the feds.

[BB]

Just out of curiosity, why is DHEA the only pro hormone that didn't get banned? Androstenedione, androstenediol, norandrostenedione, norandrostendiol, etc. all got whacked by the feds.

Senator Orrin Hatch (the father of the DSHEA act in America) and the life extension supplement lobby threatened to throw a lot of time and money into fighting the anti-prohormone bills if DHEA wasn't taken off the banned list. Rather than fight Hatch, they took DHEA off the list, citing that it is a very weak precursor with other uses. Hatch went along with the ban after that, and the rest is history.

[Van_Bilderass]

Just out of curiosity, why is DHEA the only pro hormone that didn't get banned? Androstenedione, androstenediol, norandrostenedione, norandrostendiol, etc. all got whacked by the feds.

Encyclopedia BB got ythe facts but another interesting thing is that pro-hormone was perhaps not always a very scientific descriptor for those compounds. Those can be called anabolic steroids too and I believe orgs such as WADA list them under AAS. Then with the Superdrol etc the supp industry came up with the absurd descriptor pro-steroid LOL. Some common AAS have active metabolites and could therefore be pro-hormones as well.

[MCWAY]

Encyclopedia BB got ythe facts but another interesting thing is that pro-hormone was perhaps not always a very scientific descriptor for those compounds. Those can be called anabolic steroids too and I believe orgs such as WADA list them under AAS. Then with the Superdrol etc the supp industry came up with the absurd descriptor pro-steroid LOL. Some common AAS have active metabolites and could therefore be pro-hormones as well.

Senator Orrin Hatch (the father of the DSHEA act in America) and the life extension supplement lobby threatened to throw a lot of time and money into fighting the anti-prohormone bills if DHEA wasn't taken off the banned list. Rather than fight Hatch, they took DHEA off the list, citing that it is a very weak precursor with other uses. Hatch went along with the ban after that, and the rest is history.

Thank you, Getbig brethren!!!

I remember how well MuscleTech's Anotesten worked back in the day. So, I've tried to replicate, using Tribulus, DHEA, Tongkat Ali (Longjack) in place of androstenedione, and DIM instead of Indole-3-Carbinol.

So far, so good!! It has definitely helped with the strength and recovery (among other things  ).