Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't mental illness, it's mass hysteria

[Grape Ape]

I’d go even further. I agree with what you’ve posted, but I think there needs to be systems in place to stop the exploitation of the worker. Not just a union, or a “benevolent owner” but something else to put a cap on profits without regard for workers. Take Jeff Bezos, while I agree that he took all the risk getting his company started and probably ate ramen noodles while getting it going, at this point he’s just leveraging his buying power and underpaying his employees. How does one have a fucking space ship, a yacht with a tender over 100’ long and still think you’re doing good for the world. And I wouldn’t put Elon in this category, because he is driving innovation that will help us in future space exploration, he’s built internet for everyone and all the other things he’s done. He also doesn’t seem like as greedy a prick as Bezos.

Amazon pays 8%+ more than market for warehouse work, or so I thought.  I had looked into it for a family member and that's what I recall.

Yes, the work is repetitive and high paced, but where are you getting the underpay data?

Did something change in what they offer?

[Van_Bilderass]

It's all a grift. US politics is like sports and team owners. The trade around control of the country like they trade championships in sports, and they all make a boatload doing it, and occasionally throw the fans a bone like a free bat or tax rebate.

They'll never do anything about the insider trading because they're all in on it. If you don't leave US politics worth close or over 8 figures, you've failed somewhere.

Sounds like good work - if you can get it.

Onlyfans or politics? Which is better for the soul?

[Irongrip400]

Amazon pays 8%+ more than market for warehouse work, or so I thought.  I had looked into it for a family member and that's what I recall.

Yes, the work is repetitive and high paced, but where are you getting the underpay data?

Did something change in what they offer?

They make about $35,000 a year here, the warehouse workers. I’m not sure what that means to you, but it’s below the average household income here and is about $3.50 less an hour than I start my laborers out at. I’m going to go all commie on you right now, but I just believe a company like that can “do better”. I’m not one to think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, because those types of jobs working in fact food are not meant for single parents with multiple kids to live off of, they’re for high school kids. The wealth gap that gets talked about is for shit like an amazon or whatever other large conglomerate exploits their workers.

[mphgrove]

They make about $35,000 a year here, the warehouse workers. I’m not sure what that means to you, but it’s below the average household income here and is about $3.50 less an hour than I start my laborers out at. I’m going to go all commie on you right now, but I just believe a company like that can “do better”. I’m not one to think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, because those types of jobs working in fact food are not meant for single parents with multiple kids to live off of, they’re for high school kids. The wealth gap that gets talked about is for shit like an amazon or whatever other large conglomerate exploits their workers.

There is no magic here. The pros and cons of each and every policy change need to be weighed. A lot of them are complicated, for example rent control. So you freeze the rents and then the developers stop building and small time landlords steer clear, and then supply freezes and the homeless sleeping in their cars go on the rise.

But does that mean you forget about the fact that hardly any young people can purchase homes any more.

I do call this “the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer”

I just hunger for politicians who give a shit (not condescending oligarchs who know it all) and who discuss and debate.

[Van_Bilderass]

I remembered this. Doesn't sound good for the soul either.

AI:

"Amazon explicitly allows bathroom breaks, but intense delivery quotas and strict warehouse tracking systems often make taking them incredibly difficult. Workers report avoiding or delaying bathroom breaks to meet stringent performance metrics.

Warehouse Workers

The Policy: Associates can use the restroom when needed, but they must clock out for "Time Off Task" (TOT) or use allocated break times.The Reality: Workers are tracked via scanners and AI algorithms. Extended breaks to walk to distant bathrooms can be flagged by the system, leading to disciplinary meetings or questions from managers.

Adjustments: Following criticism, Amazon adjusted its TOT policies to average pauses over a longer period to reduce false flagging."

I certainly couldn't do it with my enlarged prostate.

[mphgrove]

I was just outside a Target in Florida (VERY HOT DAY) and read a sign that said, “you are not allowed to come through this employee door - and NEVER come through the main doors - more than 5 minutes early. You need to wait in your car.”

[WrongAdvices]

Trump isn’t trading any stocks. That’s stupid. It’s all institutional and anyone with a brain can see which way things are going. The stock market is at an all time high. He’s making many many many working people much richer.

[Grape Ape]

They make about $35,000 a year here, the warehouse workers. I’m not sure what that means to you, but it’s below the average household income here and is about $3.50 less an hour than I start my laborers out at. I’m going to go all commie on you right now, but I just believe a company like that can “do better”. I’m not one to think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, because those types of jobs working in fact food are not meant for single parents with multiple kids to live off of, they’re for high school kids. The wealth gap that gets talked about is for shit like an amazon or whatever other large conglomerate exploits their workers.

These are BS numbers thrown out there for discussion purposes, so take with a big grain of salt.

If they have 900k warehouse folks (estimated), a 3.50 per hour increase would be, roughly, 6.5B more in payroll alone annually.

I'd have to think that has some impact or downstream effect (I don't know much about their financials).  So, it's easy to say, but I don't know the feasibility.

But I also do think the wage gap is getting crazy due to tech, and there is a major issue in young folks entering the market and home affordability, especially here in the northeast.  It's easy for folks to say "go live somewhere else" but that's not always an option.

[WrongAdvices]

They make about $35,000 a year here, the warehouse workers. I’m not sure what that means to you, but it’s below the average household income here and is about $3.50 less an hour than I start my laborers out at. I’m going to go all commie on you right now, but I just believe a company like that can “do better”. I’m not one to think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, because those types of jobs working in fact food are not meant for single parents with multiple kids to live off of, they’re for high school kids. The wealth gap that gets talked about is for shit like an amazon or whatever other large conglomerate exploits their workers.

$17.50 for entry level unskilled is great. It ain’t for raising families nor should it be.

[oldschoolfan]

They make about $35,000 a year here, the warehouse workers. I’m not sure what that means to you, but it’s below the average household income here and is about $3.50 less an hour than I start my laborers out at. I’m going to go all commie on you right now, but I just believe a company like that can “do better”. I’m not one to think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, because those types of jobs working in fact food are not meant for single parents with multiple kids to live off of, they’re for high school kids. The wealth gap that gets talked about is for shit like an amazon or whatever other large conglomerate exploits their workers.

good post also i worked with a girl that had worked at a amazon wharehouse, and she wasnt lazy she told me they run them like animals and there is no mercy

[chaos]

At what point would you guys think the government should step in and take control of your companies finances?

[Van_Bilderass]

At what point would you guys think the government should step in and take control of your companies finances?

I have no strong opinion here. But I have seen some commentators say US and European arms manufacturing would be more effective if it was nationalized and the gov took over. More a Russian model. I forgot all the reasons they they listed but they claimed the private US arms manufacturers actually benefited by making the production slower and more expensive. I know you don't believe there is a missile shortage but let's say there were - what do you think about nationalizing the arms production? Absolutely not, in any situation? Like I said, I have no strong opinion but I would probably leave ideology behind and do what was best in any particular situation. Not wedded to any particular ideology if it's a hindrance.

[chaos]

I have no strong opinion here. But I have seen some commentators say US and European arms manufacturing would be more effective if it was nationalized and the gov took over. More a Russian model. I forgot all the reasons they they listed but they claimed the private US arms manufacturers actually benefited by making the production slower and more expensive. I know you don't believe there is a missile shortage but let's say there were - what do you think about nationalizing the arms production? Absolutely not, in any situation? Like I said, I have no strong opinion but I would probably leave ideology behind and do what was best in any particular situation. Not wedded to any particular ideology if it's a hindrance.

Nationalizing? There's still people in there making arms right? Still automation, robotics, people and materials required. The government is the most inefficient manufacturer ever. There is no reason for arms manufacturers to slow down their manufacturing. They get no benefit from it since the gov will buy from whoever produces first. I could go into why private US arms manufacturers hit a peak production if you'd like?
Not sure what that has to do with people calling for a cap on what business owners should make financially from their business?

[Rambone]

It's all a grift. US politics is like sports and team owners. The trade around control of the country like they trade championships in sports, and they all make a boatload doing it, and occasionally throw the fans a bone like a free bat or tax rebate.

They'll never do anything about the insider trading because they're all in on it. If you don't leave US politics worth close or over 8 figures, you've failed somewhere.

This. After Trump turned heel, I’m officially black pilled.

[mphgrove]

Nationalizing? There's still people in there making arms right? Still automation, robotics, people and materials required. The government is the most inefficient manufacturer ever. There is no reason for arms manufacturers to slow down their manufacturing. They get no benefit from it since the gov will buy from whoever produces first. I could go into why private US arms manufacturers hit a peak production if you'd like?
Not sure what that has to do with people calling for a cap on what business owners should make financially from their business?

Agree governments would not do a good job of manufacturing arms and in the USA they would turn it over to private companies anyway (look at NASA). Let’s start with health care (at least more regulated than now) ahead of arms manufacturing. Also prisons and detention centers should always be local government and NOT outsourced, or federal prisons in the case of immigration or federal crimes.

[MAXX]

Personally I think the current Trump supporters are like the old liberal left in their fanatism 

[Rambone]

Personally I think the current Trump supporters are like the old liberal left in their fanatism 

And they’re all part of the same/worst generation whose parents were the best generation.

[Van_Bilderass]

Nationalizing? There's still people in there making arms right? Still automation, robotics, people and materials required. The government is the most inefficient manufacturer ever. There is no reason for arms manufacturers to slow down their manufacturing. They get no benefit from it since the gov will buy from whoever produces first. I could go into why private US arms manufacturers hit a peak production if you'd like?
Not sure what that has to do with people calling for a cap on what business owners should make financially from their business?

Well I thought you guys also were arguing about government putting their noses in what businesses do generally, but maybe not. But anyway, too lazy to look up the exact numbers again now, but Russia produces arms (at least certain ones) at a rate of NATO, US included, combined three times over each year, or something like that. China I haven't looked up. Like I said, I don't know much about this except what I've heard and I've heard arguments that this is thanks to nationalization of manufacturing in Russia, at least to a large part. In Europe Kaja Kallas and other bureaucrats demand manufacturers like Rheinmetall drastically ramp up production without signed contracts which Rheinmetall balks at of course. Currently Kaja wonders why nothing is happening despite money being poured in Experts say it will take 10 years before you see the increased arms production yield results - if they nationalize while also contracting civilian companies. Infrastructure has to be built and so on.