Hit con man John Heart is wrong again.

[Van_Bilderass]

Is your pain all caused from years of lifting?

No not at all. The reason I took Oxycontin and the reason docs even wrote a script was I have chronic pancreatitis where the pain can approach 10/10. Let me tell you, several times recently I've called an ambulance or taxi (faster than ambulance many times) rushing to hospital screaming, praying and crying like a bitch pleading for help, utter panic They don't write scripts for the good stufff for lifting injuries here, not to me at least. I do have lots of lifting related aches and pains of course having ego lifted since my early teens and trashed my body. Sometimes when my friend gave me codeine before lifting I had sciatica pain or something else but I would have taken them anyway as the session just feels better on mild stuff like this. I did take a tiny 5mg oxy before lifting a couple of times and I felt like I needed to get to bed immediately, soo tired LOL. Plus for some reason that stuff gives me crushing depression, I don't know if that's common

[Humble Narcissist]

No not at all. The reason I took Oxycontin and the reason docs even wrote a script was I have chronic pancreatitis where the pain can approach 10/10. Let me tell you, several times recently I've called an ambulance or taxi (faster than ambulance many times) rushing to hospital screaming, praying and crying like a bitch pleading for help, utter panic They don't write scripts for the good stufff for lifting injuries here, not to me at least. I do have lots of lifting related aches and pains of course having ego lifted since my early teens and trashed my body. Sometimes when my friend gave me codeine before lifting I had sciatica pain or something else but I would have taken them anyway as the session just feels better on mild stuff like this. I did take a tiny 5mg oxy before lifting a couple of times and I felt like I needed to get to bed immediately, soo tired LOL. Plus for some reason that stuff gives me crushing depression, I don't know if that's common

Pancreatitis is a bitch.

[beakdoctor]

Your lucky you didn't get addicted.

Very true.

My first dabble with it was for a legitimate injury and only had so man per my Rx.. Enough to enjoy but not enough to get addicted. That was my first experience with it and it felt so good I would have certainly had a hard time stopping if I had a steady supply.

A few years a later I "came across" a hefty supply. Took it a few times then in a surprising show of will power, flushed the rest down the toilet. At times I regretted doing that but it was probably one of the smarter things I ever did. The guy I got them from DID get addicted and eventually turned to heroin. Sad story. He ended up robbing a convenience store and going to prison. Real shame too. He had a beautiful wife, nice home, a 5 year old son and blew it all.

[Van_Bilderass]

A few years a later I "came across" a hefty supply. Took it a few times then in a surprising show of will power, flushed the rest down the toilet. At times I regretted doing that but it was probably one of the smarter things I ever did.

Yeah having easy access is dangerous. I've been swearing at times about not having any access at times when I've been in severe pain but OTOH it's probably good that they are very restrictive here.

I remembered ESFitness' story. I hope he is doing well.

Let's see...

All starts with starting using Nubain in '00/'01 'bout 6months after  after graduating H.S.

... Then started alcohol to deal with the Nubain withdrawal in '02/'03. Was clean for bout a year, then back on alcohol, then on then to deal with alcohol withdrawal, then clean, then back on alcohol.. Then rehab, where I met the dude who set me up for the robbery.. Then prison '06-'11 lol.

Then Dr put me on Tramadol, thinking it was non-addictive (I refused scripts for Percocet, Vicodin, and tylenol3 lol) & was on that for maybe 6-9months before they changed the scheduling of Tramadol and I couldn't get a doctor's appointment for 3 weeks and was in withdrawal and a client just so happen to have 1000 Dilaudid tablets, so I used that for a month before going to Cancun on vacation and came back and turns out I used all of her 1000 tablets in that month (was shooting 14-24mg IV 5-10x a day) and she happened to have friends on heroin, so I started using heroin about 2014 and blew $78,000 on heroin in about 15 to 18 months & used alcohol to detox.. Which led to alcohol relapse on top of heroin relapse. Which led to 2 DUI in Aug '16 (clean off heroin since April 14th 2016, went to rehab April 20th 2016)... Then was having chest pain Aug 12th 2017 and got ANOTHER DUI...

So, regrets? Starting opiates, which led to alcohol.... Which led to every fucking problem/bad thing in my life.

My friend is on methadone now due to prescribed oxycodone and he warned me and said to do everything possible to avoid using opiates, though sometimes you simply can't avoid it.

[Humble Narcissist]

Yeah having easy access is dangerous. I've been swearing at times about not having any access at times when I've been in severe pain but OTOH it's probably good that they are very restrictive here.

I remembered ESFitness' story. I hope he is doing well.

My friend is on methadone now due to prescribed oxycodone and he warned me and said to do everything possible to avoid using opiates, though sometimes you simply can't avoid it.

They almost work too well.

[Griffith]

I've found Tramadol to be the most effective painkiller in terms of lower side-effects, especially drowsiness.

[Van_Bilderass]

I've found Tramadol to be the most effective painkiller in terms of lower side-effects, especially drowsiness.

bhanks said it had no effect whatsoever on him and as it didn't make him itch it wasn't an opioid contrary to all the literature.

I feel the pain killing effect is just so-so but the mood brightening effects are absolutely wonderful. Which could make it treacherous. Back in the day it was thought it was hardly addictive at all. Nowadays here in Sweden it's harder to get an Rx for than oxycodone which is insane. It's what all the little immigrant gang kids sell and eat.

[AbrahamG]

I take two servings per week of ibuprofen which allows me to complete a push day on Monday and a pull day on Wednesday.  I try to take each dose at least 4 hours but preferably 6-8 hours before training.  Really does the trick. 

[beakdoctor]

I take two servings per week of ibuprofen which allows me to complete a push day on Monday and a pull day on Wednesday.  I try to take each dose at least 4 hours but preferably 6-8 hours before training.  Really does the trick.

I don't think that's a dose to be concerned about by any means. Especially is you don't drink alcohol.

If you're interested in something that will alleviate pain, you could try 2 to 3 grams of a green or white leaf Kratom. Years of use and no liver, kidney or BP issues at all. Filipinos, Cambodians, Laotians have been chewing it for centuries with no ill health effects outside of addiction but as far as addictions go it's relatively minor.

[AbrahamG]

I don't think that's a dose to be concerned about by any means. Especially is you don't drink alcohol.

If you're interested in something that will alleviate pain, you could try 2 to 3 grams of a green or white leaf Kratom. Years of use and no liver, kidney or BP issues at all. Filipinos, Cambodians, Laotians have been chewing it for centuries with no ill health effects outside of addiction but as far as addictions go it's relatively minor.

I've never really paid much attention or read much on kratom.  I'll do some reading later.  Thanks.

[pamith]

I've never taken a painkiller for working out, I don't understand the concept

[AbrahamG]

I've never taken a painkiller for working out, I don't understand the concept

Stop lifting like a dilapidated cunt and see what happens. 

[pamith]

Stop lifting like a dilapidated cunt and see what happens.

The idea is to ''stimulate, don't annihilate''

[Humble Narcissist]

The idea is to ''stimulate, don't annihilate''

Brutal but true.

[bigbychoices]

 Its the RED leaf kratom that is best for pain.  I have been using it several times a day for years with no issues. I just take a heaping teaspoon a few times a day. It helps way more than tramadol. I don't see any relief with tramadol even if I triple the dosage. Do NOT let big pharma scare you from using it. They don't want people to stop buying their products so they invent horror stories . They cab NOT patent kratom so they say crap to convince people somehow its dangerous.  SMH

[IroNat]

The idea is to ''stimulate, don't annihilate''

Have you taken stimulants?

[FitnessFrenzy]

[beakdoctor]

Its the RED leaf kratom that is best for pain.  I have been using it several times a day for years with no issues. I just take a heaping teaspoon a few times a day. It helps way more than tramadol. I don't see any relief with tramadol even if I triple the dosage. Do NOT let big pharma scare you from using it. They don't want people to stop buying their products so they invent horror stories . They cab NOT patent kratom so they say crap to convince people somehow its dangerous.  SMH

Ive found they all mitigate pain. Red Leaf personally relaxes me too much. If I take it I don't want to work out. Green leaf works just as good imo. White works well but also has a stimulant-like effect.

[MajorDomo]

I've found Tramadol to be the most effective painkiller in terms of lower side-effects, especially drowsiness.

Dentist gave me Tramadol after an extraction. Aspirin was stronger.

My go to for pain killing is Oxy. But the ultimate is Dilaudid. You could cut off your arm and not feel it.

[Van_Bilderass]

I have been using it several times a day for years with no issues.

They don't want people to stop buying their products so they invent horror stories . They cab NOT patent kratom so they say crap to convince people somehow its dangerous.  SMH

Anything opiate related can be addictive and I can believe some have real problems so I wouldn't dismiss being cautious especially if you have that "personality." Some products on the market have been spiked with synthetic 7-OH to make them seem better and that would be worse of course. I used it a few times and had little issues coming off. At first I didn't notice much but then I decided to try about 12 grams at once and then the effect was noticeable so I can see why some quickly increased the dose to like 60 plus grams a day (a dose I saw some bodybuilders on forums say they used). My lifting buddy felt he had anxiety on the come down and didn't want to try it again.

If Kratom helps addicts come off harsher synthetics and they can maintain on Kratom then that would be a good thing I think, you can't OD on it either. The 'Kratom lobby' is making this point. The pure 7-OH constituent of Kratom is scheduled like heroin now so that's interesting.

Some of you might still be able to find tianeptine sulphate with some digging. That's an interesting "antidepressant" which I wish I had access to still. "Gas station heroin."

[beakdoctor]

Anything opiate related can be addictive and I can believe some have real problems so I wouldn't dismiss being cautious especially if you have that "personality." Some products on the market have been spiked with synthetic 7-OH to make them seem better and that would be worse of course. I used it a few times and had little issues coming off. At first I didn't notice much but then I decided to try about 12 grams at once and then the effect was noticeable so I can see why some quickly increased the dose to like 60 plus grams a day (a dose I saw some bodybuilders on forums say they used). My lifting buddy felt he had anxiety on the come down and didn't want to try it again.

If Kratom helps addicts come off harsher synthetics and they can maintain on Kratom then that would be a good thing I think, you can't OD on it either. The 'Kratom lobby' is making this point. The pure 7-OH constituent of Kratom is scheduled like heroin now so that's interesting.

Some of you might still be able to find tianeptine sulphate with some digging. That's an interesting "antidepressant" which I wish I had access to still. "Gas station heroin."

I was going to try Tianpeptine a few years ago, it was available in Portland.  But the more I read about it it kind of scared me away. People were saying the effects didn't last long, like 20 mins or half hour, and you built up a tolerance so quick. People were saying this made it easy to get addicted to and withdrawals were like heroin. So I never did try it. I don't know if it is still available or not.

Kratom can be addictive and if you're going over 5 to 10 grams a day it's going to be uncomfortable comming off but it only lasts a week or so. If you're up to 20 or 30 grams a day or more its really going to suck. Its cheap and easily available so people do develop a habit.

7-OH is supposedly much more potent.  When it first hit the market I was given free samples of it and I didn't notice much difference but people kept telling me how much stronger and more addictive and stronger it is. So I have avoided it completely.

With regular kratom it doesn't take more than 4 grams to get a good pre workout lift and pain killing effect.  If you only use it on work out days, or heavy days like leg days and take a break every couple of days, you should be just fine with no withdrawals.

[Van_Bilderass]

I was going to try Tianpeptine a few years ago, it was available in Portland.  But the more I read about it it kind of scared me away. People were saying the effects didn't last long, like 20 mins or half hour, and you built up a tolerance so quick. People were saying this made it easy to get addicted to and withdrawals were like heroin. So I never did try it. I don't know if it is still available or not.

Kratom can be addictive and if you're going over 5 to 10 grams a day it's going to be uncomfortable comming off but it only lasts a week or so. If you're up to 20 or 30 grams a day or more its really going to suck. Its cheap and easily available so people do develop a habit.

7-OH is supposedly much more potent.  When it first hit the market I was given free samples of it and I didn't notice much difference but people kept telling me how much stronger and more addictive and stronger it is. So I have avoided it completely.

With regular kratom it doesn't take more than 4 grams to get a good pre workout lift and pain killing effect.  If you only use it on work out days, or heavy days like leg days and take a break every couple of days, you should be just fine with no withdrawals.

Last round I did of Kratom before it was banned here I had bought 600 grams and took it quickly, 3 x 12 grams a day or so I think. It was a few days of heightened anxiety when I ran out but no big deal. Keep it up for a long period of time and I believe it will indeed suck balls.
AI says 7-OH or mitragynine is a more potent pain killer than morphine. Kratom is another product which had zero effect on Bhanks, I think he said he went through massive amounts of it to no effect, no itching!

Tianeptine was really interesting. I think I bought 10 grams. I noticed the opiate effect at 100-120mg per dose. I didn't want to take more as it felt like it was getting somewhat uncomfortable with a thick headed feeling at 120mg. I've read that some ramped it up to like 5 grams a day and even injecting IIRC. It's a French antidepressant medication at like 12mg a few times a day and years ago there was no mention of any opiate receptor agonism, just said it was a tricyclic antidepressant and it was sold by some early life extension websites as an alternative to the more common ADs. Some of the more common SNRIs like venlafaxine have also shown very mild opiate receptor agonism. It's notable that it's still not completely clear how these medications work and this mechanism might be part of the antidepressant effect. I wish it was still available. One big early nootropics vendor has said he got a lot of customers saying it saved their life but then it started to be abused and the FEDs kicked down his door.