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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #25 on: Today at 12:39:54 PM »
Dorians actual volume averaged 8 to 10 total sets for Chest, 13 to 16 sets for Back, 6 to 7 sets for Shoulders, 6 sets for Triceps, 5 sets for Biceps, 8 sets for Quadriceps, 5 to 6 sets for Hamstrings, and 3 to 5 sets for Calves

Using Gemini deep research. I wouldn't call that low volume

The most volume was his back, and his back was his best bodypart

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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #26 on: Today at 02:32:10 PM »
Depends on what you mean by high reps and volume. Heavier sets also have thier place with form. Levrone did lower reps. My physique looked best with low/moderate and high reps and a decent amount of volume in a session with enough recovery between sessions.

And bodybuilding is not the only correct way to train as I keep saying, not everyone is soley focused on training only with the thought of swelling fibers to feel better about themselves. I dont even think along those lines anymore.

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Unlike many contemporaries who chased higher rep schemes of 10 to 12 for all exercises, Levrone strongly believed that his dense muscular growth came from going heavy with strict form.[1] His standard approach paired low-rep compound lifts with higher-volume accessory work to maximize both hypertrophy and strength. The breakdown of his rep ranges includes:

Compound Movements: Kept strictly in the 6 to 8 rep range (sometimes going even lower for maximal strength tests on exercises like the bench press or squat). This allowed him to move immense amounts of weight—such as bench pressing over 450 to 500 pounds—while stimulating deep muscle fibers.[1]


Isolation and Accessory Exercises: Typically performed in the
8 to 12 or 12 to 15 rep range (such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, lateral raises, and preacher curls) to flush the target muscle with blood and secure high set volume

Ai then goes on to say
Using lower weights with higher repetitions does not inherently target a different physical part or region of a muscle simply because the weight is lighter.[1] Instead, whether you lift a heavy weight for low reps or a light weight for high reps, the anatomical path of the movement—determined by joint angles, grip, and the line of pull—remains the primary driver of which region or head of a muscle is emphasized.


so it basically contradicts Levrones low weight for deeper muscle fibres

A muscle has no idea what you are lifting, it responds to intensity.

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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #27 on: Today at 02:55:29 PM »
Ai says
Unlike many contemporaries who chased higher rep schemes of 10 to 12 for all exercises, Levrone strongly believed that his dense muscular growth came from going heavy with strict form.[1] His standard approach paired low-rep compound lifts with higher-volume accessory work to maximize both hypertrophy and strength. The breakdown of his rep ranges includes:

Compound Movements: Kept strictly in the 6 to 8 rep range (sometimes going even lower for maximal strength tests on exercises like the bench press or squat). This allowed him to move immense amounts of weight—such as bench pressing over 450 to 500 pounds—while stimulating deep muscle fibers.[1]


Isolation and Accessory Exercises: Typically performed in the
8 to 12 or 12 to 15 rep range (such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, lateral raises, and preacher curls) to flush the target muscle with blood and secure high set volume

Ai then goes on to say
Using lower weights with higher repetitions does not inherently target a different physical part or region of a muscle simply because the weight is lighter.[1] Instead, whether you lift a heavy weight for low reps or a light weight for high reps, the anatomical path of the movement—determined by joint angles, grip, and the line of pull—remains the primary driver of which region or head of a muscle is emphasized.


so it basically contradicts Levrones low weight for deeper muscle fibres

A muscle has no idea what you are lifting, it responds to intensity.

For the benefit of the new members, please define "intensity".

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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #28 on: Today at 03:25:55 PM »
It is a lot of water and you lose most of it shockingly quickly when you stop; I know from much experience. However, when you look at the dbol warriors you also see the shoulders widening, you see the traps coming out, hormone size is different from say creatine size, even if both are mostly water, and even if both add the same weight on the scale.

I was on a loong dbol only cycle here back in the late 90s. Nowadays every shitfluencer thinks dbol sucks but they are idiots LOL. They make you feel soo good. Someone gave me a few bottles of inject dbol but can't really use it anymore, gives me heartburn.

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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #29 on: Today at 03:36:01 PM »
He wasnt as big as Paul Dillet who never lifted heavy

I agree higher protein does aid recovery, 200gms a day is enough for anyone I dont care how big you are

Agreed 200g is plenty for anyone.

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Re: You dont "add muscle"
« Reply #30 on: Today at 03:39:07 PM »
Dorians actual volume averaged 8 to 10 total sets for Chest, 13 to 16 sets for Back, 6 to 7 sets for Shoulders, 6 sets for Triceps, 5 sets for Biceps, 8 sets for Quadriceps, 5 to 6 sets for Hamstrings, and 3 to 5 sets for Calves

Using Gemini deep research. I wouldn't call that low volume

The most volume was his back, and his back was his best bodypart


Dorian (according to his book) did 1-2 sets of each exercise.
So, for chest he would do 3-4 exercises per bodypart, 2 sets each, once a week.  6-8 sets a week total.
Yes, he usually did one or two warmup sets per exercise as needed.
This is much less volume than what typical top bodybuilders like Arnold did.
They would do 20-25 sets per bodypart, two or even three times a week. 40-70+ sets per week.
Even if they only trained a bodypart once a week that would still be 20-25 sets vs. 6-8 sets like Dorian.
Dorian burned the calories not expended by long workouts by doing cardio.  Blasphemy!  ;)
Back in the late 70s/early 80s we did 20-25 sets per bodypart over 4-5 exercises at least twice a week.
So, 40-50 sets a week per bodypart.
And these were hard sets close to positive failure, occasional forced reps.
We would have thought it impossible to get results doing 6-10 sets a week.

Lately, I've been doing only two sets per exercise, 2-4 exercises per bodypart.
I like it and the workouts don't take 2+hours like if you did 20 sets.
Does it work?
For me at this point in life it is acceptable.