Author Topic: Why steroid use is cheating (Read 19756 times)

HowieW · « **on:** May 13, 2006, 01:17:22 PM »

Many feel that steroid is just a part of the bodybuilding game. Since all are doing it, nobody is cheating, etc. I ask the following questions then as food for thought:
1. If is NOT cheating how come the IFBB in both pro and amatuer rules pages has over 40 pages of rules that say these drugs are NOT allowed?

2. If is not cheating how come one can not freely admit their use in public?
If you have to sneak and lie about somehing, you most likely know it is wrong on some level or you would admit it. Hmmm, why do they think having an affair is considered CHEATING on your spouse?

3. Some contend that steroid and drug use is no more different than various rule changes. This logic is flawed, when a sport changes a rule it is open and everyone is on the same level. With drugs it is murky behind the scenes issue where some are in the loop on various levels.

4. Many in bodybuilding are so used to the drugs as the worst kept secret, we forget how many fans in other sports react when they find out. Barry Bonds is booed each time he comes to bat despite being a great hitter. He is on the verge of breaking a chersihed record yet few respect him or what he has done.
Wan bodybuilding to start gaining public recognition,? Get the drugs out first.

5. If the sport of bodybuilding can only survive with illegal drug use, is it wrth saving as is?
The only way for it NOT to be cheating is to change the current drug laws, be open and honest and then change the rules allowing all bodybuilders to use them on the pro and amatuer level.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:23:23 PM »

Howard, you seem like a nice guy. Certainly one with a strong sense of morality, and like Diogenes with his lantern looking for an honest man, you are going to be continually disappointed if you look for it in bodybuilding. You gotta stop doing this to yourself every month or so. Relax. Sit on the deck. Take the dogs for a run, etc.

RAT MCBAT · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:46:45 PM »

most involved in this "sport" have no problem with cheating, lying, stealing. fact of life

Dingleberry · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:47:37 PM »

IMO - The only guys who cheat are the ones who use steroids and enter "natural" competitions. The same goes for pisswads who post pictures of themselves online, or tell others (offline) they are natural when they are not.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:54:46 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on May 13, 2006, 01:17:22 PM

Many feel that steroid is just a part of the bodybuilding game. Since all are doing it, nobody is cheating, etc. I ask the following questions then as food for thought:
1. If is NOT cheating how come the IFBB in both pro and amatuer rules pages has over 40 pages of rules that say these drugs are NOT allowed?

2. If is not cheating how come one can not freely admit their use in public?
If you have to sneak and lie about somehing, you most likely know it is wrong on some level or you would admit it. Hmmm, why do they think having an affair is considered CHEATING on your spouse?

3. Some contend that steroid and drug use is no more different than various rule changes. This logic is flawed, when a sport changes a rule it is open and everyone is on the same level. With drugs it is murky behind the scenes issue where some are in the loop on various levels.

4. Many in bodybuilding are so used to the drugs as the worst kept secret, we forget how many fans in other sports react when they find out. Barry Bonds is booed each time he comes to bat despite being a great hitter. He is on the verge of breaking a chersihed record yet few respect him or what he has done.
Wan bodybuilding to start gaining public recognition,? Get the drugs out first.

5. If the sport of bodybuilding can only survive with illegal drug use, is it wrth saving as is?
The only way for it NOT to be cheating is to change the current drug laws, be open and honest and then change the rules allowing all bodybuilders to use them on the pro and amatuer level.

simple...its not cheating but its illegal...which it shouldn't be.

back in the day when pole vaulters changed over from bamboo poles to graphite ..ws that cheating..it ws highly unfair to the guys that held the previous records..whcih got smashed btw?
back in the day when the IOC changed the track to help runners break ben johnsons record ws that cheating?
back in the day when the US swim team ws the ONLY one with special body suits that cut down friction in the water..was that cheating? i mean at least anyone can use steroids the US team ws the ONLY one with such special squiptment
oh wait..all those things are exterior to the body..okie..well creatine is not cheating but steroids are? hmm so if it works kinda sorta its ok but if it really works its wrong..hmmm
i can go to the doctor and get test injections to reduce sperm count as a valid means to birth control yet i use the same stuff to build muscle and its immoral?

so using test so i can fuck girls and not get em prego is fine and dandy but how dare i use the same stuff to built muscle..

Earl1972 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2006, 01:58:08 PM »

Quote from: RAT MCBAT on May 13, 2006, 01:46:45 PM

most involved in this "sport" have no problem with cheating, lying, stealing. fact of life

you could say that about regular joe's too

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Deadpool · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2006, 02:02:18 PM »

this is all deja vu, another sad howie posting

alexxx · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2006, 02:35:50 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on May 13, 2006, 02:00:36 PM

Bodybuilding is not a sport.

Not to anyone who has yet to touch a weight.

But even they admit its the hardest sport.

ether · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2006, 02:39:12 PM »

Quote from: Dingleberry on May 13, 2006, 01:47:37 PM

IMO - The only guys who cheat are the ones who use steroids and enter "natural" competitions. The same goes for pisswads who post pictures of themselves online, or tell others (offline) they are natural when they are not.

See aliamini and his gang of terrorists

HERACLES · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »

IMagine the top Pros competing as naturals? I think they would still be impressive as hell, because they do have the best genes in the world....

Thats why they are the top bodybuilders, Levrone, Cutler, COleman, Dexter, Shawn Ray, you know the elite group..THey would still be the top guys...

Dont you guys think so?

Its just to "another level"

There are plenty of guys out there that work just as hard, IF NOT HARDER then the top pros..why dont they even get anywhere close to becoming a pro? You all know the answer, its not gear- its genetics.

If you have the genetics to be a world class top bodybuilder/top 5 olympia placer there is nothing wrong with it, jus tmake sure you have your blood tested/run checks to ensure your liver is healthy, etc.

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2006, 02:50:20 PM »

Quote from: HERACLES on May 13, 2006, 02:45:00 PM

IMagine the top Pros competing as naturals? I think they would still be impressive as hell, because they do have the best genes in the world....

Thats why they are the top bodybuilders, Levrone, Cutler, COleman, Dexter, Shawn Ray, you know the elite group..THey would still be the top guys...

Dont you guys think so?

Its just to "another level"

There are plenty of guys out there that work just as hard, IF NOT HARDER then the top pros..why dont they even get anywhere close to becoming a pro? You all know the answer, its not gear- its genetics.

If you have the genetics to be a world class top bodybuilder/top 5 olympia placer there is nothing wrong with it, jus tmake sure you have your blood tested/run checks to ensure your liver is healthy, etc.

Herc..for some YES thats true..for some NO..

serioids are the great genetic equalizer...

my friend winston could be a pro...he came in dead last at the bodyrock last yr in the open and blew everyone away in the novice at yonnies show..

point..dude didn't diet..never diets...has a 6 pack..a back out of hell..detail galore..like a robbie robinson back..similar arms..weak legs n calves but fuckr still squats 6 plates at 200ish lbs...seen him double 405 in the incline..with the second rap coming up slightly uneven..so yes..people like that..he wont touch juice though..i keep urging him..

then there are the rich gasparis..dood woulda never been big if it wasn't for juice..or myself..i plan to compete next yr..

i started around 1 monthish ago..up from 150 to 175.....and i'm not even bothering to pay much attention to legs just yet..prolly compete at 200 next yr..we'll see..would i be able to do that without juice..f**k no..naturally i'd prolly be around 180 by next yr..

Earl1972 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2006, 03:28:02 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on May 13, 2006, 02:00:36 PM

Bodybuilding is not a sport.

Goatboy is not a non assclown

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HowieW · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2006, 04:59:01 PM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger! on May 13, 2006, 01:54:46 PM

simple...its not cheating but its illegal...which it shouldn't be.

back in the day when pole vaulters changed over from bamboo poles to graphite ..ws that cheating..it ws highly unfair to the guys that held the previous records..whcih got smashed btw?
back in the day when the IOC changed the track to help runners break ben johnsons record ws that cheating?
back in the day when the US swim team ws the ONLY one with special body suits that cut down friction in the water..was that cheating? i mean at least anyone can use steroids the US team ws the ONLY one with such special squiptment
oh wait..all those things are exterior to the body..okie..well creatine is not cheating but steroids are? hmm so if it works kinda sorta its ok but if it really works its wrong..hmmm
i can go to the doctor and get test injections to reduce sperm count as a valid means to birth control yet i use the same stuff to build muscle and its immoral? so using test so i can f**k girls and not get em prego is fine and dandy but how dare i use the same stuff to built muscle..

Hmmm, I understand what you are saying here but consider this:
1. Drug use /steroids is , in fact against the actual written rules of the IFBB (* check it out on the IFBB pro div site page, they have a 42 pg rulebook against them ). Breaking a rule to gain an adavatage in any sport is in fact cheating to win.

2. Equipment or rules specific to an era was fair becuase it was OPEN and done by all. Drug use is done behind the scenes, and is the worst kept secret in this or any other sport now.

3. Drugs being illegal is the main cause of my concern. It requires a bodybuilder to use and risk breaking the law or lose and follow the rules and law. This leads to chaos and lack of any clear standard to gauge the success of an athlete in the sport.

hillbilly · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:03:47 PM »

bodybuilding is about the freaks these days and it wud be dull without drugs so weather its cheating or not without drugs no one wud be interested in watching it

Deadpool · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:05:43 PM »

steroids and bodybuilding go together like crack and ho

HeyNow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2006, 05:12:42 PM »

Life isn't fair. There is more important things in life too worry about other than muscles. People, get over it and deal with it, it's only muscle.

timfogarty · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2006, 07:44:21 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on May 13, 2006, 04:59:01 PM

3. Drugs being illegal is the main cause of my concern. It requires a bodybuilder to use and risk breaking the law or lose and follow the rules and law. This leads to chaos and lack of any clear standard to gauge the success of an athlete in the sport.

It's not illegal in many (most) places in the world, and it's only been illegal in the US since 1991. And it's illegal for all the wrong reasons. Politicians wanted to seem tough, on what I don't know.

the IFBB has the rules on their books for political reasons only. they have no desire to have truley drug free bodybuilding.

HERACLES · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2006, 07:59:23 PM »

Well my point was that steroids dont matter. The top guys would STILL be the top guys in bodybuilding, even without steroids bc they have the BEST GENETICS in the world for building muscle and staying lean. Anyone else agree?

240 is Back · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:01:48 PM »

Quote from: HERACLES on May 13, 2006, 07:59:23 PM

Well my point was that steroids dont matter. The top guys would STILL be the top guys in bodybuilding, even without steroids bc they have the BEST GENETICS in the world for building muscle and staying lean. Anyone else agree?

Somewhat. However, many of the top guys have the best genetics for RESPONDING TO GEAR.

IN an all natural contest, skip la cour would slaughter jay cutler, period.

gh15 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:18:57 PM »

Quote from: HowieW on May 13, 2006, 01:17:22 PM

Many feel that steroid is just a part of the bodybuilding game. Since all are doing it, nobody is cheating, etc. I ask the following questions then as food for thought:
1. If is NOT cheating how come the IFBB in both pro and amatuer rules pages has over 40 pages of rules that say these drugs are NOT allowed?

2. If is not cheating how come one can not freely admit their use in public?
If you have to sneak and lie about somehing, you most likely know it is wrong on some level or you would admit it. Hmmm, why do they think having an affair is considered CHEATING on your spouse?

3. Some contend that steroid and drug use is no more different than various rule changes. This logic is flawed, when a sport changes a rule it is open and everyone is on the same level. With drugs it is murky behind the scenes issue where some are in the loop on various levels.

4. Many in bodybuilding are so used to the drugs as the worst kept secret, we forget how many fans in other sports react when they find out. Barry Bonds is booed each time he comes to bat despite being a great hitter. He is on the verge of breaking a chersihed record yet few respect him or what he has done.
Wan bodybuilding to start gaining public recognition,? Get the drugs out first.

5. If the sport of bodybuilding can only survive with illegal drug use, is it wrth saving as is?
The only way for it NOT to be cheating is to change the current drug laws, be open and honest and then change the rules allowing all bodybuilders to use them on the pro and amatuer level.

1) to cover the ass. federal gov will come in and eliminate the industry. the ifbb will be no more. not to forget it is a crime and the law prohibit the use of most hormones with out a prescription. it is a felony in most cases and the head of the snake will be cut which means old men will have to do time in. it is hard to explain in few sentences and i will elaborate on it when "gh15 speaking is out". if and when that is!

the other 4 points will also be adressed. everything will be clear as said as it is with no bullshit including specific names. the moment any one no matter who try to mess with the date by sending bugs/viruses and sush this data will become national tv material up and ready for the murderer trial. so who ever need be warned! there is your warning.

MisterGX · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:25:41 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 13, 2006, 08:01:48 PM

Somewhat. However, many of the top guys have the best genetics for RESPONDING TO GEAR.

IN an all natural contest, skip la cour would slaughter jay cutler, period.

And you really believe Skip LaCour is natural???

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:37:19 PM »

Quote from: MisterGX on May 13, 2006, 08:25:41 PM

And you really believe Skip LaCour is natural???

I do- if you've ever had a conversation with him, you see skip is one of the most intense people on the planet. He was the top natural in the world, and IMO, if he was going to use gear, he would have gone all out and been one of the top gear users.

there is no halfway for him. ALl things equal, he'd bury cutler. and I'm a cutler fan.

timfogarty · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2006, 08:45:05 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 13, 2006, 08:37:19 PM

I do- if you've ever had a conversation with him, you see skip is one of the most intense people on the planet. He was the top natural in the world, and IMO, if he was going to use gear, he would have gone all out and been one of the top gear users.

a guy in his early 20s with Skip's physique...I might give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he's natural

but a guy in his 40s?

in the pre steroid era, the top bodybuilders were all in their 20s. 35 was considered well past one's prime.

testosterone levels drop significantly as you get older. doesn't matter how hard you work out or how well you eat if you don't have the test

MisterGX · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2006, 09:11:19 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on May 13, 2006, 08:37:19 PM

I do- if you've ever had a conversation with him, you see skip is one of the most intense people on the planet. He was the top natural in the world, and IMO, if he was going to use gear, he would have gone all out and been one of the top gear users.

there is no halfway for him. ALl things equal, he'd bury cutler. and I'm a cutler fan.

Like you said--IYO. I agree with his intensity, but with the claims of being natural (and you can't test for GH), his conditioning looks beyond dieting and cardio. But whatever, the guy looked good when he competed. That's all that counts (natural/juiced) the day of the show.

Croatch · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2006, 09:00:30 AM »

In pro bodybuilding, using steroids is not cheating because everyone does them. A sport like baseball where only 50% of the players use them, it is cheating because everyone does not use. That's why I always get a laugh when I look around the gym and someone thinks they're so "jacked" because they may be above guys who are natural, meanwhile when these clowns stop their cycle, they look like nothing. Especially when you look around and every other middle aged guy is on and looks no better than me, who takes nothing. It's a joke. Have a little heart and maybe half my dedication, you'd be amazed at what you can gain.