Why steroid use is cheating

[ToxicAvenger]

From what I heard (from what the others saw), they guys who were getting their heads chopped off were very weak as if they were drugged, or had blood drained. There was no way they were going to put up a fight.

they do it out in public to deter crime though..my uncle saw one once..he told me he still sometimes has bad dreams about it..

[LuciusFox]

Yep, A lot don't even have to work. The trillions they make of oil is plenty for them all to live like royalty.

 With all that free time, I'm surprised more don't post here

[Dingleberry]

With all that free time, I'm surprised more don't post here

haha. Honestly though, they despise our culture for the most part.

[Captain Equipoise]

I don't know how this turned into a Saudi thread, but I just saw Syrianna yestarday, one of the funniest lines I've ever heard in my entire life;  " You want to know what the business world thinks of you? We think a hundred years ago you were living out here in tents in the desert chopping each others heads off, and that's exactly where you're gonna be in another hundred. So yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money. "

[LuciusFox]

I don't know how this turned into a Saudi thread, but I just saw Syrianna yestarday, one of the funniest lines I've ever heard in my entire life;  " You want to know what the business world thinks of you? We think a hundred years ago you were living out here in tents in the desert chopping each others heads off, and that's exactly where you're gonna be in another hundred. So yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money. "

  Matt Damon is an awesome actor! He was hilarious on Will and Grace

[Dingleberry]

Ok sorry but one more thing. When an infidel goes to chop-chop square, they push you to the front of the line. From what I was told, they do this because it guarantees you will be going to hell. Can't confirm that, but they do push you to the front. Also, after the chopping is done, a bunch of sick fucks run up and start playing in the blood, rubbing it on themselves and shit. Freaked my bro's out big time when they saw that madness.

[LuciusFox]

they do it out in public to deter crime though..my uncle saw one once..he told me he still sometimes has bad dreams about it..

 Is it worth it?

[ToxicAvenger]

Ok sorry but one more thing. When an infidel goes to chop-chop square, they push you to the front of the line. From what I was told, they do this because it guarantees you will be going to hell. Can't confirm that, but they do push you to the front. Also, after the chopping is done, a bunch of sick fucks run up and start playing in the blood, rubbing it on themselves and shit. Freaked my bro's out big time when they saw that madness.

lol i grew up in a muslim family

i'm an athiest ( one of em scientific hippie fucks so to say) but...strictly speaking accroding to the religion

1) supposed to get it done with as QUICK as possible...
2) supposed to dispose of body (bury) immediately

playing in the damn blood..ignorant girls if they do that..taking pleasure in anothers pain is supposed to be a sin

PS...in the same way..what my family would say..them suicide bombers in palestine/israel...well what ever side is jewish (i dont really keep track..sorry)then muslim suicude bombers..what my dad would say those 'supposed' muslims will burn in hell for
1) killing the innocent
2) commiting suicide

[ToxicAvenger]

Is it worth it?

hmm maybe we should ask the 15 yr old girl that just got raped in the Us

i'm sure we could find plenty...

would you rape someone even if you were a sick f**k after you saw a rapist getting stoned to death?

i wouldn't
..if someone raped my sister..i would not only wanna stone em to death..i'd wanna think up worse possible punishments than stonings..and i'd enjoy it..

if ya believe othrwise..take a second ..and picture a big bald redfaced dude fucking your mom ..while she struggles against her will




EXACTLY

[Captain Equipoise]

..if someone raped my sister..i would not only wanna stone em to death..i'd wanna think up worse possible punishments than stonings..and i'd enjoy it..

Gotta make it last a few days at least I would.

[LuciusFox]

hmm maybe we should ask the 15 yr old girl that just got raped in the Us

i'm sure we could find plenty...

would you rape someone even if you were a sick f**k after you saw a rapist getting stoned to death?

i wouldn't
..if someone raped my sister..i would not only wanna stone em to death..i'd wanna think up worse possible punishments than stonings..and i'd enjoy it..

if ya believe othrwise..take a second ..and picture a big bald redfaced dude fucking your mom ..while she struggles against her will




EXACTLY

  But that girl would also have to live in a society that didn't value her life much.

[Dingleberry]

lol i grew up in a muslim family

i'm an athiest ( one of em scientific hippie fucks so to say) but...strictly speaking accroding to the religion

1) supposed to get it done with as QUICK as possible...
2) supposed to dispose of body (bury) immediately

playing in the damn blood..ignorant girls if they do that..taking pleasure in anothers pain is supposed to be a sin

PS...in the same way..what my family would say..them suicide bombers in palestine/israel...well what ever side is jewish (i dont really keep track..sorry)then muslim suicude bombers..what my dad would say those 'supposed' muslims will burn in hell for
1) killing the innocent
2) commiting suicide

Good to hear that, what you dad says about the Suicide Bombers. (Israel BTW).

[onlyme]

Only me, I would agree with you on this BUT, one key issue is at stake here, the LEGAL issue as it is exists now in the USA where most of the biggest show take place.
My main conern is that to compete on a level playing field, as a high level bodybuilder , one is required to break the law? true?

True.  The thing is just like in my sport, I did not take roids till after an event I was in Ric Zumwalt told me I was the strongest guy he has ever met.  I was beating guys right and left.  He asked me what I was on, I said what do you mean.  He sadi steroids what do you take.  I said nothing.  He said no way.  You got to get on them cause if you do you would be unbeatable.  He said every single armwrestler in the pros takes steroids.  EVERYONE.  So I did.  

The thing is if one person takes them, then everyone has to in order to keep the paying field level or the guy that is taking them will dominate forever.  In the case of BB I think, it is what they take, how much take and what they can afford to take.  And genetics plays an important part of it for how your body reacts to them.  Each person might take the exact stuff in the exact same dosage with different results.  This where trial and era is used.  You see what and how much of whatever will work best for you and your body.

As with Bonds.  I had my cusin whoplayed with the Reds and a few other teams on Anadrol way back in the early 80's.  He gained 30 lbs. between seasons.  He came back to spring heavier and stronger.  He already had an excellent eye and now the strength to punch the ball out.

Steroids will not make you a better player if you are not already exceptional.  Steroids DOES NOT help you hit the ball.  They do not improve your eyesight, or timing or natural talent to read a ball.  What they will do is give you the strength and in some cases the speed, that when you do connect with the bat your hands are tighter and your spped of the bat may be faster and the follow through of the bat is staedy and hard.  Which mean when you hit the ball it will go farther.  But it will not make your skills any better.  Your genes and hard work is what makes a ball player.

[Rimbaud]

Howie, I've read this thread & I've seen you put up two or three times about the IFBB rules against steroids. They have to have rules against them. The big contests are in the US where they're illegal. I haven't read their rules (nor do I plan to) but is there anything on the enforcement of them? I think Cutler failed a durietics test but then threatened to sue so the IFBB backed down.

[HUGEPECS]

imagine if the IFBB Bans all type of steroids, and Every pro would be as clean as Natural...ha, ha, ha that would be the day

[LuciusFox]

Howie, I've read this thread & I've seen you put up two or three times about the IFBB rules against steroids. They have to have rules against them. The big contests are in the US where they're illegal. I haven't read their rules (nor do I plan to) but is there anything on the enforcement of them? I think Cutler failed a durietics test but then threatened to sue so the IFBB backed down.

  The IFBB's drug testing lacks legitimacy even in their eyes.

[Rimbaud]

  The IFBB's drug testing lacks legitimacy even in their eyes.

...what drug test?

[LuciusFox]

...what drug test?

  The 2001 Olympia. You just mentioned it

[HowieW]

Howie, I've read this thread & I've seen you put up two or three times about the IFBB rules against steroids. They have to have rules against them. The big contests are in the US where they're illegal. I haven't read their rules (nor do I plan to) but is there anything on the enforcement of them? I think Cutler failed a durietics test but then threatened to sue so the IFBB backed down.

Look all I really want is everyone to be open and follow the actual rules, if they want drugs I say let them do it...but what a minute, hmmmmm ,damn, they are ILLEGAL so we can all grin and nod and if some pro gets busted well it is THEIR fault??? Great policy, .....NOT!
This is why the IFBB had to let Jay off, sure they gave some lame cover about IOC lab standards, but I think they knew they could not defend their "drug policy" in open court in front of an objective judge.

[Man of Steel]

Look all I really want is everyone to be open and follow the actual rules, if they want drugs I say let them do it...but what a minute, hmmmmm ,damn, they are ILLEGAL so we can all grin and nod and if some pro gets busted well it is THEIR fault??? Great policy, .....NOT!
This is why the IFBB had to let Jay off, sure they gave some lame cover about IOC lab standards, but I think they knew they could not defend their "drug policy" in open court in front of an objective judge.

if bb drugs were eliminated (or made inaccessible) the contests would discontinue due to zero interest....as it stands bb followers are nothing more than a small cult most of which come to see the freaks.   Remove drugs - or the inability to produce "a freak" - and all we'd have left were a few above average gym physiques (and those are a dime a dozen)....the rules are merely a smokescreen that are dusted off and enforced when "bb outsiders" start sniffin around and askin questions.  It sounds bad, but "enforcing the rules" destroys bb....the drug rules aren't meant to promote ethics or standards within bb......improved drugs and new science coupled with superior competitor genetics receptive to the drugs dicatate that standard decade after decade.   Removing drugs and simultaneously "leveling the playing field" only further limits the interest in bb competitions.....if nobody has interest, nobody pays money to watch, competitors make no money, promoters make no money and bb incentive in general dies.....then all you have left are a tiny % percent of the population that pay their drug bills completely outta pocket so they can get their personal "swole on" and go work as bouncers in titty bars and get the occassional knob-job from skanky poledancers...that's it.

[alexxx]

I think they should just limit the amount of drugs allowed and the doses so that everybody is on a level playing field. Plus they should be the ones paying for them and for a regular doctors check up. Bodybuilders go through too much shit for no reason.

[Man of Steel]

I think they should just limit the amount of drugs allowed and the doses so that everybody is on a level playing field. Plus they should be the ones paying for them and for a regular doctors check up. Bodybuilders go through too much shit for no reason.

BB is a freak show and with each passing decade that level of freakiness increases.....we (the cultish fans) grow increasingly desensitized to even a physique like Lee Haney's (8-time Mr O) when compared to today's lineups....it was awesome then but merely average now.   Why is that?  Why does bb have the biggest audience in the history of it existence today?  Simple, because of improved communication via the internet and most importantly the science and drugs that have improved and the genetically superior competitors that respond amazingly to them.   Take any bbs from the past, stick them into today's level of science and drugs and they'd make themselves as fuckin freaky as possible like every other competitor today.   They did what it takes back then and they'd do the same today just on a greater, more advanced scale.  Leveling the playing would only dull what we've come to expect in a competitor line-up....the majority of the cultish bb fans would lose interest and the even smaller population of bb enthusiasts within that group that would support a limited drug regimen and leveled playing field would not be able to sustain bb interest in general...the sport would begin it's inevitable and quick decay.

[alexxx]

BB is a freak show and with each passing decade that level of freakiness increases.....we (the cultish fans) grow increasingly desensitized to even a physique like Lee Haney's (8-time Mr O) when compared to today's lineups....it was awesome then but merely average now.   Why is that?  Why does bb have the biggest audience in the history of it existence today?  Simple, because of improved communication via the internet and most importantly the science and drugs that have improved and the genetically superior competitors that respond amazingly to them.   Take any bbs from the past, stick them into today's level of science and drugs and they'd make themselves as fuckin freaky as possible like every other competitor today.   They did what it takes back then and they'd do the same today just on a greater, more advanced scale.  Leveling the playing would only dull what we've come to expect in a competitor line-up....the majority of the cultish bb fans would lose interest and the even smaller population of bb enthusiasts within that group that would support a limited drug regimen and leveled playing field would not be able to sustain bb interest in general...the sport would begin it's inevitable and quick decay.

SHUT UP! Lee Haney was far beyond average. He even makes Ronnie look average!

[Man of Steel]

SHUT UP! Lee Haney was far beyond average. He even makes Ronnie look average you dumb f*ck!

Attempting to draw me into a stupid noob arguement is pointless, but I'd be happy to expand my previous statement to help you understand. 

I said that Haney was great in his day, but that same physique would simply be average in today's lineup....sorry, but it's true.   He'd break into the top 10 at the O and make every posedown at the other shows, but breakin the top 10 in the O and makin the posedowns in the smaller shows is what the average or slightly above average pro physique does....come Olympia time the top 5 outclass a prime Haney....he'd have to step it up just to keep up, but by doing so he'd become an instant threat given today's science and drugs that weren't available in the 80's and early 90's.   

There's no one past or present that makes Ronnie look average....your statement is idiotic.  I've seen every comparison photo between Ronnie, Yates, Arnold, Levrone, Wheeler, etc.....no one makes Ronnie look average; in fact, it's Ronnie who makes everyone else look average.   

[alexxx]

Attempting to draw me into a stupid noob arguement is pointless, but I'd be happy to expand my previous statement to help you understand. 

I said that Haney was great in his day, but that same physique would simply be average in today's lineup....sorry, but it's true.   He'd break into the top 10 at the O and make every posedown at the other shows, but breakin the top 10 in the O and makin the posedowns in the smaller shows is what the average or slightly above average pro physique does....come Olympia time the top 5 outclass a prime Haney....he'd have to step it up just to keep up, but by doing so he'd become an instant threat given today's science and drugs that weren't available in the 80's and early 90's.   

There's no one past or present that makes Ronnie look average....your statement is idiotic.  I've seen every comparison photo between Ronnie, Yates, Arnold, Levrone, Wheeler, etc.....no one makes Ronnie look average; in fact, it's Ronnie who makes everyone else look average.   

You have small man vision.

First of all Haney in his prime would wipe the floor with any competitor today even without the added pharma.

Second with the added pharmaceuticals he would make Ronnie look average.

Third attempting to make logic out of my posts is pointless. I am mister logic.