Phil and Skip

[War-Horse]

Layne Norton achieves similar conditioning and he is a lifetime natural.

I agree with that.  He could not be a juicer with that amount of mass on him.   But his structure is odd, and in the symmetry rounds he'll be lost.

[LuciusFox]

I agree with that.  He could not be a juicer with that amount of mass on him.   But his structure is odd, and in the symmetry rounds he'll be lost.

 I agree that his structure is off, and there is no way he juices. He would have killed himself a long time ago if those were the results he got after using steroids

[Dredlock Rasta]

Skip looks more ripped than Phil, but lacks Phil's fullness.

[TheBigAristotle]

Skip's got a horrible lat spread.

Yes it's absolutely awful 

[Hedgehog]

Layne Norton achieves similar conditioning and he is a lifetime natural.

Layne's got Skippy Poddar in his corner, a true Jedi. Or is it Spok?

YIP
Zack

[LuciusFox]

Layne's got Skippy Poddar in his corner, a true Jedi. Or is it Spok?

YIP
Zack

 What kind of name is Skippy Poddar? Wasn't he a bit old to be hanging out with some of them?

[figgs]

I've yet to see a pro BB being as dedicated as Skip LaCour.

Whether or not he's natural or not, I'll leave out.

But his pre-contest preparation isn't some 12 week little routine, or something like that.

He's in better condition at 4 months out than fat boy Cicherillo was 5 weeks out.

From what I've seen, Skip needs around 6 months to get into contest shape.

And that is coming in from an already very impressive lean offseason condition.

LaCour may go a bit overboard with his diet sometimes, I think he had a slice of cake on his birthday six months before the contest, but that was all he cheated that time.

Compare that to Cicherillo, Ruhl, Gayboy Cormier and the rest.

The only one I've heard of who could compare to LaCour, is Yates. But even he isn't at the same level.

Drugfree or not? That is not even important. Look beyond that.

LaCour sets a new standard for living Bodybuilding at least.

YIP
Zack

Pshh I cheated my diet once in almost a year. Had an ice cream cone a few months ago. Already forgot what it tastes like. 

[FOR REAL]

you lacour nut huggers are stupid and naive... dieting on chicken, eggs and veggies all year round is still not going to make you shredded like lacour come show time... if u honestly think skip is able to be MORE conditioned than people who use EVERY DRUG out there, because he diets harder? Then you really need some help! lol

there are plenty pro bodybuilders who eat perfect year round and use tons of drugs and still cant get as ripped as lacour....

[LuciusFox]

you lacour nut huggers are stupid and naive... dieting on chicken, eggs and veggies all year round is still not going to make you shredded like lacour come show time... if u honestly think skip is able to be MORE conditioned than people who use EVERY DRUG out there, because he diets harder? Then you really need some help! lol

there are plenty pro bodybuilders who eat perfect year round and use tons of drugs and still cant get as ripped as lacour....

 Steroids users are not nearly as meticulous with their diets and training routines as Skip is Why is it ridiculous that he can get into better shape when he diets twice as long and doesn't resort to using dangerous diet drugs that can backfire and make a person look worse. Don't get mad at Skip because you didn't have the dedication to successful

[FOR REAL]

Steroids users are not nearly as meticulous with their diets and training routines as Skip is Why is it ridiculous that he can get into better shape when he diets twice as long and doesn't resort to using dangerous diet drugs that can backfire and make a person look worse. Don't get mad at Skip because you didn't have the dedication to successful

wow u are stupid aren't you? I bet you are anotehr brain washed idiot that follows MAX-OT training? LOL

So guys like Robby Robinson, Milos Sarcev etc etc aren't as meticulous with their diets and training as skip huh? LOL

Even these guys- legends of the IFBB would have a pretty hard time matching the conditioning of "mr natural" skip.... btw did u not notice over the last 4-5 years Lacour's JAW has gotten MUCH bigger?! Gee- just around the time he decided to sport a new goatee to try and cover it up... lol face it kid, your hero's isn't drug free..

[LuciusFox]

wow u are stupid aren't you? I bet you are anotehr brain washed idiot that follows MAX-OT training? LOL

So guys like Robby Robinson, Milos Sarcev etc etc aren't as meticulous with their diets and training as skip huh? LOL

Even these guys- legends of the IFBB would have a pretty hard time matching the conditioning of "mr natural" skip.... btw did u not notice over the last 4-5 years Lacour's JAW has gotten MUCH bigger?! Gee- just around the time he decided to sport a new goatee to try and cover it up... lol face it kid, your hero's isn't drug free..

  Some people have naturally large jaws and Skip is one of them. You have become delusional in your hatred for Skip. You live like him for one year and tell me it isn't possible. Robby and Milos did not have the year-round discipline that Skip has because they could rely on drugs.

[FOR REAL]

  Some people have naturally large jaws and Skip is one of them. You have become delusional in your hatred for Skip. You live like him for one year and tell me it isn't possible. Robby and Milos did not have the year-round discipline that Skip has because they could rely on drugs.

I dont hate skip at all? I just think u are naive...

And u certainly do not know what Robby or Milos do year round do you?

The fact is, DRUGS work... they work VERY well.. And there is no way in hell a natural with a strong work ethic could ever outshine so many others with far better genetics, equal work ethic (i do not know why u think skip is more dedicated than everyone else?), and EVERY DRUG in the book...

For ALL the ifbb pros that u think rely too much on drugs and no work ethic, what is skip doing that they arent? Are they not training 2-3 times a day? Eating 8-12 meals a day? Doing the same thing every day... Sure there are many pros who rely on drugs, have shit genetics and get fat in the off season (King Kamali comes to mind).. But there are a dozen other who live, sleep, eat, dream bodybuilding.. And u are trying to tell me Lacour who has never touched a drug is able to out condition them? give me a break..

[Dnizneer]

I woke up one day and thought I saw striations on my glutes...But I realized it was just hair

[LuciusFox]

I dont hate skip at all? I just think u are naive...

And u certainly do not know what Robby or Milos do year round do you?

The fact is, DRUGS work... they work VERY well.. And there is no way in hell a natural with a strong work ethic could ever outshine so many others with far better genetics, equal work ethic (i do not know why u think skip is more dedicated than everyone else?), and EVERY DRUG in the book...

For ALL the ifbb pros that u think rely too much on drugs and no work ethic, what is skip doing that they arent? Are they not training 2-3 times a day? Eating 8-12 meals a day? Doing the same thing every day... Sure there are many pros who rely on drugs, have shit genetics and get fat in the off season (King Kamali comes to mind).. But there are a dozen other who live, sleep, eat, dream bodybuilding.. And u are trying to tell me Lacour who has never touched a drug is able to out condition them? give me a break..

 He diets twice as long as they do and is strict with his diet even in the offseason. He doesn't look nearly as bloated as most pros in the offseason. He is still sharp. Skip outworks and outthinks those other pros who use dangerous drugs at the eleventh hour in order to get into contest condition. Your jealousy is actually sad

[FOR REAL]

so skip out diets and out thinks all the TOP IFBB pros he out conditions? LMAO!!!

nite kid!! You are wasting my time now..

[LuciusFox]

so skip out diets and out thinks all the TOP IFBB pros he out conditions? LMAO!!!

nite kid!! You are wasting my time now..

  You'll never make anything of your life if you don't believe

[MikeThaMachine]

Back in the day when they didn't have drugs to help with pre-contest diets people got ripped and with today's nutritional knowlegde and legal drugs you don't think somthing like that could be possible? and don't bring in your "but back in the day they didn't have straited glutes or shredded hamstrings" cause they posed different back then and those two things were not a top priority (esp the glutes).

[joshberry2000]

Back in the day when they didn't have drugs to help with pre-contest diets people got ripped

it's got nothing to do with back in the day or today it's genetics training ie. you need to put in to something to get what you want out of it hitting the gym for an hour is not SHIT and as far as drugs and supplements they seperate the men from the boys.

[Hedgehog]

wow u are stupid aren't you? I bet you are anotehr brain washed idiot that follows MAX-OT training? LOL

So guys like Robby Robinson, Milos Sarcev etc etc aren't as meticulous with their diets and training as skip huh? LOL

Even these guys- legends of the IFBB would have a pretty hard time matching the conditioning of "mr natural" skip.... btw did u not notice over the last 4-5 years Lacour's JAW has gotten MUCH bigger?! Gee- just around the time he decided to sport a new goatee to try and cover it up... lol face it kid, your hero's isn't drug free..

Here's the thing.

I won't debate whether or not Skip is natural.

That's an argument which I don't care about.

He is however, by FAR, the most dedicated bodybuilder I've seen.

Robinson or Sarcev, I'm sorry. They don't compare.

And that is not a blast on them. Just giving LaCour credit for being extremely serious.

Again, the drug issue is not for me to debate.

I was merely pointing out that guys like Cicherillo, Kamali and others should look at how it is to take bodybuilding one step further.


Not to mention Rainbow Cormier...

YIP
Zack

[LuciusFox]

Here's the thing.

I won't debate whether or not Skip is natural.

That's an argument which I don't care about.

He is however, by FAR, the most dedicated bodybuilder I've seen.

Robinson or Sarcev, I'm sorry. They don't compare.

And that is not a blast on them. Just giving LaCour credit for being extremely serious.

Again, the drug issue is not for me to debate.

I was merely pointing out that guys like Cicherillo, Kamali and others should look at how it is to take bodybuilding one step further.


Not to mention Rainbow Cormier...

YIP
Zack

 Excellent point, Hedgehog! Guys who are considered to have excellent genetics early in their careers, like Dillett, Levrone, Wheeler and Cormier don't bring home the brass ring because they don't work hard enough. Coleman is considered to have great genetics now, but no one thought much of him early in his career.

[mwbbuilder]

Why can't Skip La Cour be more disciplined and dedicated to what he does that Robby Robinson or Milos?

Someone has to be the "best" or "most" at what they do. Why can't it be La Cour?

You can give Robby or Milos more credit for their physiques, knowledge, experience, or genetics but that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the power of the mind. They are all merely men, aren't they?

If you want to debate the power of the mind, that's what you should be doing.

Obviuosly you give more credit to Milos than Dillet, don't you? Why can't La Cour have a stronger mind than Milos?

Is it because Milos is a pro bodybuilder? Well, so are Dillet and Wheeler.

Bill Gates isn't a pro bodybuider. I''m CERTAIN is 1,000 times more dedicated to being the best at what he does best than Robby or Milos are at what they do best.

[Naked4Jesus]

Here's the thing.

I won't debate whether or not Skip is natural.

That's an argument which I don't care about.

He is however, by FAR, the most dedicated bodybuilder I've seen.

Robinson or Sarcev, I'm sorry. They don't compare.

And that is not a blast on them. Just giving LaCour credit for being extremely serious.

Again, the drug issue is not for me to debate.

I was merely pointing out that guys like Cicherillo, Kamali and others should look at how it is to take bodybuilding one step further.


Not to mention Rainbow Cormier...

YIP
Zack

I hear ya bro and I like Skip too.  Awesome conditioning.   The thing of it is that unless you follow the guy around all day you won't know exactly just how dedicated and diciplined he is and even if you did you'd have to follow the top pros around to determine if he's more disciplined than they are.  If we were talking about Paul Dillet who is no longer a pro I'd be inclined to believe you but if we're talking Ronnie or Jay, forget about it... Ronnie barely sleeps and Jay's been known to do upwards of 3 hours of cardio a day which Skip never does.  Additionally Jay weighs and measures everything he eats and drinks much like Skip though he also squeezes in about 8-10 meals a day which Skip can't.  All things considered... I don't see how Skip's doing anything other pros aren't also doing so him being dedicated and disciplined though admirable, would not be the reason he so much better conditioned than most pros.

[240 is Back]

Another thing-

Skip is a very intelligent man.  I have never met any competitor with his knowledge of nutrients, body composition, metabolic manipulation, etc.  He eats like 11 times a day, more than half of which are some AST supplement.  On his DVD, he actually narrates his entire workout (overdubbed on top of the training track) and seems just as knowledgeable about training as he is about nutrition.

Layne is going for his PhD, right?  Maybe it's something about the fact that they both are extremely intelligent men, which allows them to know their bodies well enough to diet into amazing shape. 

[Naked4Jesus]

Another thing-

Skip is a very intelligent man.  I have never met any competitor with his knowledge of nutrients, body composition, metabolic manipulation, etc.  He eats like 11 times a day, more than half of which are some AST supplement.  On his DVD, he actually narrates his entire workout (overdubbed on top of the training track) and seems just as knowledgeable about training as he is about nutrition.

Layne is going for his PhD, right?  Maybe it's something about the fact that they both are extremely intelligent men, which allows them to know their bodies well enough to diet into amazing shape. 

That's a good point and I don't think anyone would ever mistake Ronnie or Jay for rocket scientists.  However, Ron has Chad Nicholls doing the thinking for him and Jay has Chris Aceto.  Both nutritionists are considered gurus and it does provide them with the edge they need to get them into their best shape.

[Dingleberry]

Does anyone think Skip is more dedicated than Alexxx?