"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."

[FOR REAL]

Bob Chick, Athlete's Rep:
"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."

Bob, are you claiming that a monopoly with questionable judging and major favoritism is what is best for EVERY IFBB athlete?

Of course that is what he is claiming.. How else do you think he could have won the Master's? It damn sure wasn't because of his "talent".....

(to be deleted as soon as chickypoo see's this... lol)

[Chick]

NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.

This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks  before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU If all these guys did the PDI  for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO   MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Lee-

With all due respect, my brother....

Even if the IFBB gave their blessing for any and all to compete wherever hey want, whenever they want....half the Olympia lineup wouldn't compete at the NOC anyway, I'm not so sure all but 1 or 2 guys would risk screwing up their prep for a $30K TOTAL purse. $15K to the winner ($5K profit margin to the winner...everyone else LOSES money)

The Olympia still means competing with the BEST in the world, for the biggest TITLE in the world. Despite the Arnold being what it is...the Olympia is still the bigger title...it's called HISTORY, and following the greats before you.

All the guys you mentioned, make more money guest posing, selling merchandise, than placing 2-5th in the PDI/NOC...were back to square one.

You're also forgetting that most pro's find a certain prestige in competing against other guys that have won National titles to turn pro...paying their dues so to say....something about standing next to guys that are amateurs, hand picked, or just given pro cards won't sit well.

This is in no way meant to demean anyone falling into this category...just stating the mentality of certain pro's I've talked to on the matter...

You are under the impression these top guys would compete in the PDI even if allowed...I disagree.

Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.

Money-wise, you would've made more prize money had you chose to compete in the Olympia, then if you were to win ALL the PDI shows combined...why not compete ONCE, as opposed to 3-4 times for equal money?

BTW...to think Ronnie, Jay, Dex, Gus, Vic Darrem, etc would even risk 25-150K, being suspended ,to compete in the PDI for pennies is utterly ridiculous. Talk about RISK to BENEFIT ratio....!

[240 is Back]

I spoke to Peter about this - this was never his intention at all. There is an agreement with Pro Body Building Weekly and AMI, since they sponser it, that the AMI athletes appear on that show only. It is simple. There is probably an agreement with Muscletech too.

Dan and Bob- Is it true that you guys are now sponsored by AMI?

Does this mean you will only have AMI/Flex athletes on, or still include muscletech or MD guys?

Are AMI/Weider athletes now banned from doing any other radio show?

Will you guys still be having Wayne DeMilia on the show after the NOC, as you originally said you would?

Thanks!

[Oldschool Flip]

Look guys, I appreciate that you are enthusiastic about the PDI and whatnot but Bob is right, for better or worse, whoever wins, there is no room for 2 major federations.

Mostly because of the money and the support bodybuilding as it is.

If you have ever seen a major sport split into 2 federations (like I have) you would realise that even in a far more lucrative scenario things do not work.  It is a battle for supremacy and pushing the other one out.

AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.

[LuciusFox]

AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.

 That's because the NFL is actually entertaining

[Chick]

PBBW is not sponsored by AMI, and we will continue to have great guests on as we have. Lets see if Wayne WANT'S to come on the show after the NOC (if it takes place).

We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...

[Chick]

AFL and NFL were separate organizations until they came to agreement to combine both with an AFC and NFC DIVISIONS. They even had REVENUE sharing amonst the teams and that's why today the NFL dominates US SPORTS.

The difference is, the IFBB doesn't NEED the PDI (or any other org) for anything....

[rocket]

Actually oldschool in the situation I saw it was the same, two seperate organisations that ended up forming as one. 

I see all this pdi stuff as likely to last a little while before things are unified again.  I just hope the athletes get something out of the situation before things pretty much go back to how they were.

[phyxsius]

Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.

Milos Sarcev competed 10 shows in a year..

[240 is Back]

PBBW is not sponsored by AMI, and we will continue to have great guests on as we have. Lets see if Wayne WANT'S to come on the show after the NOC (if it takes place).

We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...

But the AMI athletes that come on your show are forbidden from doing any other radio shows?

[timfogarty]

You are under the impression these top guys would compete in the PDI even if allowed...I disagree.
...
BTW...to think Ronnie, Jay, Dex, Gus, Vic Darrem, etc would even risk 25-150K, being suspended ,to compete in the PDI for pennies is utterly ridiculous. Talk about RISK to BENEFIT ratio....!

Ya know, lots and lots of people attend the NPC Nationals, and lots and lots of people attend the IFBB World Amateur Championships.    Fans don't necessarily want to see the same guys for ten years or more.  They want to see new faces.  In Europe they're dying to see local faces.  And just perhaps, they don't want to see the mass monsters, but want to see aethetically pleasing physiques with emphasis on symmetry and proportionality.   

Even you, Lee...how many times a year would YOU compete if allowed both feds? Health, finances, mental fatigue all dictate one cannot compete 6-7 times in a given year.

perhaps if you had to compete 6-10 times a year, you wouldn't go to such extremes and physiques would be more appealing to a broader base of fans.

[LuciusFox]

But the AMI athletes that come on your show are forbidden from doing any other radio shows?

 When is Wayne going to be on?

[jwb]

I'd go so far as to say there should only be a spring and fall season for the pros and scrap the may shows altogether IMO. 2 contests seasons 6 months apart with 3 shows each. 2 big shows in europe included in this...More money for each show though...

One big problem right now is there are way too many people in the world with IFBB pro cards. Half the people in most contests aren't up to scratch.

They should make the winners of the national titles in the euro countries compete against each other in pro qualifiers every six months with only one guy getting a card each time.

In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals should get a card.

Raise the standard to improve the fields because that's why it's boring. If each contest had 10 top guys going at it it would be more interesting.

the PDI is only going to make this worse with zero talent guys competing as pros...

[LuciusFox]

I'd go so far as to say there should only be a spring and fall season for the pros and scrap the may shows altogether IMO. 2 contests seasons 6 months apart with 3 shows each. 2 big shows in europe included in this...More money for each show though...

One big problem right now is there are way too many people in the world with IFBB pro cards. Half the people in most contests aren't up to scratch.

They should make the winners of the national titles in the euro countries compete against each other in pro qualifiers every six months with only one guy getting a card each time.

In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals gets a card.

Raise the standard to improve the fields because that's why it's boring. If each contest had 10 top guys going at it it would be more interesting.

the PDI is only going to make this worse with zero talent guys competing as pros...

  Can you give me an example of these zero talent guys?

[timfogarty]

In the US only the overall winner of the USA and the nationals gets a card.

the overall winner of the USA,
each class winner of the Nationals,
the overall winner of the Team Universe,
and the overall winner of the North Americans

that's 8.5

[jwb]

the overall winner of the USA,
each class winner of the Nationals,
the overall winner of the Team Universe,
and the overall winner of the North Americans

that's 8.5

I know thats who gets cards now what I'm suggesting is only the overall guy from the USA and the nationals gets it.

[jwb]

  Can you give me an example of these zero talent guys?

guys like rhino shouldn't be on a pro stage no matter what the fed.

he says the NPC overlooked him but they had their reasons... he isn't very good!

[Chick]

Ya know, lots and lots of people attend the NPC Nationals, and lots and lots of people attend the IFBB World Amateur Championships.    Fans don't necessarily want to see the same guys for ten years or more.  They want to see new faces.  In Europe they're dying to see local faces.  And just perhaps, they don't want to see the mass monsters, but want to see aethetically pleasing physiques with emphasis on symmetry and proportionality.   

perhaps if you had to compete 6-10 times a year, you wouldn't go to such extremes and physiques would be more appealing to a broader base of fans.

You're right...lots of people DO attend the NPC Nats, USA, Worlds, etc...mostly family and friends. We can't compare AA show that has 300+ competitors (USA/ Nats) to a pro show with 25-30 guys

Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.

If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.

[FOR REAL]

PDI is gonna flop big time.. especially when their top stars are Rhino and Galanti.. lol 

[LuciusFox]

guys like rhino shouldn't be on a pro stage no matter what the fed.

he says the NPC overlooked him but they had their reasons... he isn't very good!

  Rhino looks a lot better than you. Post your pic

[jwb]

  Rhino looks a lot better than you. Post your pic

I bet my nuts are looking a lot better than rhinos though

[dzulboy]

NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.

This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks  before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU If all these guys did the PDI  for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
BOB AND SHAWN THAT MAY MAKE YOU GO   MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

:ee is the fuckin man

[onlyme]

How many IFBB pros are there worldwide.  And to say there are not enough BB for two organizations is absolutely hilarious.  I have never seen 100 pros in one show.  There 29 in Seans show.  How many will be at the NY Pro 30 maybe at the most.  Are you telling me there are not at least 200 IFBB pros in the entire world.  Plus the PDI is signing many guys in Europe who are just as good as 75% of the IFBB pros here in the states just because you don't know them makes them inferior.

Who makes up the pro ranks.  Amatuers do.  Like you said the NPC is thriving in membership.  What makes it so improbable that NPC guys won't sign to the PDI before the IFBB once the PDI gets the ball rolling.

You say the NPC shows have the audience because of the families and friends come to support them.  So when a guy turns pro what happens.  Did his family die, did all his freinds dis-own him.  What happens to the fans they had.  Basically what the IFBB has done is RUIN the imgae and reputation of Bodybuilding and Bodybuilders.  The PDI is coming in to try to fix what they fucked up.  Bring back the nice aestitic look and excitement a BB show used to have.  Did all the fans who used to pack the house years ago all die.  No they no longer support BB because of what it has become.  The PDI is going after those people, the people who really love BB but hate it the way it is now.  What is so wrong with that.

Believe me the huge gross looking guys like Coleman, Ruhl etc can be guest posers.  And the PDI will have it huge guys in it.  But no matter what the shows will be ALLOT more exciting than the IFBB shows happening nowadays.

[Knows_Everything]

...not enough fan base willing to support them both.

...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.

...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.

agreed, yeh PDI sounds ok on paper, but come show time will it fly? NOPE

[timfogarty]

Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.

Al Beckles

1981 - 11 IFBB pro shows
1983 - 7 pro shows
1988 - 10 pro shows
1989 - 13 pro shows
1991 - 11 pro shows

Boyer Coe

1979 - 9 pro shows
1981 - 11 pro shows

Robby Robinson

1988 - 9 pro shows

Milos Sarcev

1991 - 10 pro shows
1992 - 11 pro shows
1993 - 10 pro shows
1997 - 11 pro shows
1999 - 7 pro shows

If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.

"Nice physiques" would be pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, you know, lots of steroids, no GH and Insulin, very little diuretics.