"There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."

[onlyme]

The only reason why most BB only compete once or twice a year is because they can't stay in shape all year round.  that would mean they would actually have to train and eat seriously all year round or at least most of the year.  As you can see from any pro who is not training for a contest they look like shit.  I mean I look like an off season heavyweight (just off season for a few years)   The guys who compete multiple times a year are serious about staying in shape.  Either that or they have other things going for them and competing just once a year or twice is something they do more as a hobby than a real job.  Back in the day guys competed more cause they usually stayed in shape or at least close to it.  It didn't take 3 or 4 months to get back into contest shape.

[Chick]

Al Beckles

1981 - 11 IFBB pro shows
1983 - 7 pro shows
1988 - 10 pro shows
1989 - 13 pro shows
1991 - 11 pro shows

Boyer Coe

1979 - 9 pro shows
1981 - 11 pro shows

Robby Robinson

1988 - 9 pro shows

Milos Sarcev

1991 - 10 pro shows
1992 - 11 pro shows
1993 - 10 pro shows
1997 - 11 pro shows
1999 - 7 pro shows

"Nice physiques" would be pros of the late 1970s and early 1980s, you know, lots of steroids, no GH and Insulin, very little diuretics.

...and NO money.

[Chick]

The only reason why most BB only compete once or twice a year is because they can't stay in shape all year round.  that would mean they would actually have to train and eat seriously all year round or at least most of the year.  As you can see from any pro who is not training for a contest they look like shit.  I mean I look like an off season heavyweight (just off season for a few years)   The guys who compete multiple times a year are serious about staying in shape.  Either that or they have other things going for them and competing just once a year or twice is something they do more as a hobby than a real job.  Back in the day guys competed more cause they usually stayed in shape or at least close to it.  It didn't take 3 or 4 months to get back into contest shape.

Bullshit...

The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool).

The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.

For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.

For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it.....

[timfogarty]

Pro bodybuilding is not nearly as popular as it was in the 1980s and even into the 1990s.  Perhaps this extreme conditioning that costs $5-8k to prepare and that you can only do once or twice a year is partially to blame.

When the top bodybuildes only compete in 1 or 2 shows a year, and at the Olympia its a forgone conclusion that last year's winner is going to win again, it's kind of hard to get fans enthused.

[onlyme]

I'm not going to argue with you Chic.  I'll feel funny if I bring you here to emcee my show and we are fighting.  But I will go through your post.

Bullshit...

The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool).   This is an interesting insight.  The cost of prepping for a show is considerably higher that what most competitors make in a show or even all year long in competition.  Yet they still do it.  But the last remark is the kicker.  "Unless you're a complete fool"  Well you answered it yourself.  They are complete fools for competing at all if all they do is lose money.  What is the drive and incentive to be a pro BB then.  To end up in the poorhouse.  You have just called 99% of every Pro a complete fool.  Why not just stay an amatuer get some good endorsement deals, concentrate on looking more aetitically appealing and get more money that way.  You can still compete, look good and make more money than most pros.

The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.

For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.

For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it.....  Yes remember what you said, the people on here don't matter

From all indications it really isn't worth being a pro BB.  I still want to know how many IFBB pros are there worldwide.  No one has answered that.  Because their are maybe at the very most 10 who make a good living from BB related business's.  And less than who actually make a good living from contest winnings alone.  I'd like to know how many there are out there that are wasting their time and would benefit from the PDI.  It looks to me like well over 100+ IFBB pros could come to the PDI and do better than they are doing now.  They have absolutely not one thing to lose.  And with that, that would leave less than 20 IFBB Pros competing which would make their odds allot better to win some good money.  Just a thought.  But please my buddy Chic, how many IFBB pros are there worldwide.

[onlyme]

Also, I am going to stretch a little here, but how many sports do you know of where their is just one federation or organization that controls the entire industry.  Please name at least one but maybe two.

[craig213]

THERES ALWAYS ROOM FOR COMPETITION!!!  NEVER SAY NEVER (NUNCA DEGA NUNCA)

[onlyme]

THERES ALWAYS ROOM FOR COMPETITION!!!  NEVER SAY NEVER (NUNCA DEGA NUNCA)

Exactly.  The ONLY reason why anyone would ever say their is no room for competition is that they are SCARED.  Very simple.  Thats a fact.  They aren't trying to convince themselves as much as they are trying to convince everyone else so no one will go to the competition.  Thats human nature.  Instead of playing like it is nothing and try to ignore it they start to change things, institue rules that have never been enforced before, threaten people and sponsors.  They know they are in a weak position.  They know they have been slowly deterioating over the past several years and now there is another player in town.  The IFBB is scared and they are showing it.  No matter who comes on here and says no or yea right, they are scared and they should be.  Shows are being cancelled, sponsors are pulling out, attendance is down, the pressure is even getting to the judges who go crazy at shows. 

[onlyme]

Also, I find it funny that NPC and IFBB competitors are fine as long as they compete in these organziastions.  Meaning they are worthy of competing on stage with other NPC or IFBB competitors.  But, once they decide they are going to the PDI they are no longer worthy of ebing on stage or they are now not as good as they were when they were with the NPC or IFBB. 

[240 is Back]

Chick,

It's hard to believe much of what you say.  You accuse ppl of racism, you claim to have access to sales records, and you say 2 BBing federeations is bad.

The first two were selfish, bold-faced lies.  Hard to give you credibility on the 3rd point, ya know?

[gtbro1]

Chick,

It's hard to believe much of what you say.  You accuse ppl of racism, you claim to have access to sales records, and you say 2 BBing federeations is bad.

The first two were selfish, bold-faced lies.  Hard to give you credibility on the 3rd point, ya know?

240 you are wasting your time posting comments to Bob...he already told us he would no longer engage anyone negative,you remember...just a couple days BEFORE he posted all that garbage about you being a racist.

[ether]

Bullshit...

The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready.

So you made what? 2K For your masters "win". Monster Profit Margin.

Why not compete in more shows? Maybe if the whole BB scene got off of this "striated glutes" thing and "ripped hamstrings" we would see physiques which look a little more normal.

I still think the reason why BB was WAY more popular in the 70's and 80's is because that the general fan or kid out there thought that they could actually look like the pros (or at least come close). That is why we bought up the magazines and books to find out how they were eating and training etc.

Who out there thinks (or for that matter) wants to look like todays current pros? Distended guts, big asses, veins everywhere, ripped hamstrings....gimme a break.....that is the reason why the majority of fans don't give a shit anymore.

Where did all the fans of BB from the 70's go? They didn't all die off, they were mostly teenagers and young adults, so, they should still be out there....they just choose not to support a corrupt IFBB and the fucked up judging that goes on at pro shows.

Get rid of the GH, slin, diuretics and really changed the judging criteria....if the PDI is willing to do that, it might succeed. If it is just a JV version of the IFBB, then of course it will be a huge failure, he's right in the sense who the hell wants to see 6th tier pros? Unless they present a different package.

[240 is Back]

IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor.  This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.

[Lee_a_priest]

You're right...lots of people DO attend the NPC Nats, USA, Worlds, etc...mostly family and friends. We can't compare AA show that has 300+ competitors (USA/ Nats) to a pro show with 25-30 guys

Perhaps if you EVER competed...you would know that competing 6-10 times a year is unreasonable, and the "extremes" you speak of is what the paying public is expecting to see.

If "nice" physiques were a big selling point...the natural shows would be packing them in left and right.

NOT UNREASONABLE WHEN THE SHOWS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER.

[Lee_a_priest]

Bullshit...

The reason is simply health and finances...as opposed to years ago, the price of prepping for a show is considerably higher. It costs between $5-8K to get ready. Being that more guys LOSE money than make it competing, it's simply not possible (unless you're a complete fool).

The other obvious reason, is that making gains and training are not condusive to "contest conditioning"...eventually, you'll end up with diminishing returns.

For the athletes that do compete more than 3 times in a year...they will choose the bigger money shows, or the best chance for an O qualification.

For the "best of the rest"...taking a shot in another fed isn't the problem...the question is, will the fans support them? One or two top guys isn't going to cut it....hell, the guys right here on this site rip apart any show that doesn't have Ronnie, Jay, Dexter in it.....

What are the guys spending money on.It cost me about $2,500 for the last 3 shows i did.How much gear are you using Bob and others oh that's right THAT WOULDBE AGAINST THE IFBB RULES.SORRY I FORGOT.

[sarcasm]

...and NO money.

you're just jealous that Beckles had a million times better physique than you.

[sarcasm]

IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor.  This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.

are you saying that if gayness was brutal Russian czars that most IFBB pros would be Ivan the Terrible, 240?

[Lee_a_priest]

IMO, any competitor who pulls his thong up his ass to show off striated glutes should recieve a swift kick in the ass from a MC or a fellow competitor.  This does include Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath.

Not to mention it is against the rules ...........

[FOR REAL]

Onlyme wow u really think your opinion of pro bodybuilding matters to anyone? Weren't u an arm wrestler? LOL

Btw which are u in your avatar the hairy fat ugly beast? Or the bear?

[FOR REAL]

What are the guys spending money on.It cost me about $2,500 for the last 3 shows i did.How much gear are you using Bob and others oh that's right THAT WOULDBE AGAINST THE IFBB RULES.SORRY I FORGOT.

Lee it's pretty obvious to most people that Chick trys to overcompensate for his shit genetics and training with more drugs...
duh?

[VGalanti]

PDI is gonna flop big time.. especially when their top stars are Rhino and Galanti.. lol 

Hey
Thanks for the plug.....LOL

[Chick]

Lee it's pretty obvious to most people that Chick trys to overcompensate for his shit genetics and training with more drugs...
duh?

I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...

It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...

[FOR REAL]

No problem dude.. Hey you seem like a decent guy, but you have to realize there is a REASON you never turned PRO and were able to compete in the IFBB? And now that u are going to the PDI it sorta is like someone who can't get into medical school that gives up and ends up becoming a nurse.. lol

[VGalanti]

I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...

It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...

Dam Bob....you could have spent a few days at my house, i'm omly 30 min from NYC.
saved a few bucks....next year call me.

[VGalanti]

No problem dude.. Hey you seem like a decent guy, but you have to realize there is a REASON you never turned PRO and were able to compete in the IFBB? And now that u are going to the PDI it sorta is like someone who can't get into medical school that gives up and ends up becoming a nurse.. lol

I'm cool with that....