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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2006, 09:24:05 AM »
We (Dan and I) have no clauses which preclude us from having ANYONE on the show we wish...

your employer (AMI) doesn't need a clause to blackball you

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« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2006, 09:44:08 AM »
your employer (AMI) doesn't need a clause to blackball you

Blackball me from WHAT?

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« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2006, 01:02:22 PM »
I said it's an average. Some spend more or less.Lots of variables...

It cost me $2,000 just for hotel/ flights for me and my girl to do the MWC...
Chick, in no way could I even comprehend how much it takes to prep for a show with gear, food, gear, and what not. But two grand to fly you and your ol lady to a show and hotel?  Where the freak are you staying?  Flying on the AMI private jet or something?  Think Orbitz.
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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2006, 01:32:46 PM »
Chick, your argument proves too much.  Really, if there's so little talent and no interest in a second bodybuilding federation, then the IFBB has no need for a rule preventing it.  The market will ensure that only the IFBB will survive.

Similarly, no one (pro or fan) should be interested in the PDI, so the IFBB shouldn't worry about it.  Further, since it's so self-evident, no pro should even bother thinking about leaving the IFBB.

But why do we keep hearing all this talk about suspensions and fines?!?!

Because this argument is bogus. 

Pan Am used to say the same thing about TWA -- too little interest in flights to Europe -- to try to force the government to force TWA out of the airline industry.

Let's see what happens: let the PDI have its day.  Each competitor should have the right to compete in whatever competition he desires.  To argue for the contrary is just not right.

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2006, 02:47:39 PM »
...not enough fan base willing to support them both.

...not enough talent to susstain 2 federations.

...not enough big name sponsors to support 2 federations.

"Talent" hahahahahahaha
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« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2006, 04:38:55 PM »
From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard.  DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.

Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !

PDI all the way !

Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
 

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #81 on: May 16, 2006, 04:47:07 PM »
Anyone who has talked to wayne can tell you the medical coverage is f**king brilliant.

I'm not spilling any beans here... ask anyone who has spoken to him though. The competitors will KNOW what is happening to their bodies. No more handshake and a 'see ya next year' after the "O".

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« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2006, 04:49:33 PM »
You guys are sure gungho for the PDI.  Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
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« Reply #83 on: May 16, 2006, 04:53:04 PM »
From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard.  DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.

Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !

PDI all the way !

Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
 

These rules doesn't favor a guy like Palumbo or Rhino.

Rather, someone like Cicherillo.

Why isn't he moving over?

Or rather, when is he moving?

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #84 on: May 16, 2006, 04:55:30 PM »
Rather, someone like Cicherillo.
Why isn't he moving over?
Or rather, when is he moving?

when the puppeteer pulls the strings, Bob will jump.  Then he'll tell us how he always thought the PDI was a great idea, and delete any posts that say otherwise.

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« Reply #85 on: May 16, 2006, 04:57:38 PM »
NOT ENOUGH TALENT IN BOTH ?.THERE WOULD BE IF THE IFFB DIDN'T SUSPEND IT'S ATHLETES AND THEY COULD GO COMPETE IN ANY SHOW TO MAKE MONEY.
The NOC is 2 weeks before the Olympia say half the Olympia line up decided to compete in it for extra cash 2 weeks before the O.Would the IFBB suspend half the Olympia line up? Would make for a shitty Olympia.

This is where the ahtlete need to take a stand and say hey i am in shape 2 weeks  before the O why not?I can make extra money Stand together guys and all make money.The IFBB will not suspend you all from the O if enough do it.JAY,DEX,VICTOR,GUSTOV,GUNTER, THIS IS ALL FOR YOU :) If all these guys did the PDI  for extra money do you really think they would get suspended and not be allowed to compete in the Olympia
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this is so fucking sad to think some people compete to "make money" in bbing. these people need to face reality and work a real job, seriously.

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2006, 05:13:31 PM »
both federations are gheyd.
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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #87 on: May 16, 2006, 05:39:49 PM »
I wonder if he's older than her father.  That much be awkward at Thanksgiving.

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« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2006, 05:55:00 PM »
Chick is the IFBB Athelete's Rep...not the "any federation" atheletes rep.  Why are people surprised to hear him talk down the PDI?

I'd like to see how PDI works out.  Pro bodybuilding, like Chick says, has a small market and it's true that IF natural shows were in such demand, they'd be making coins.  Well, I'm not going so far as to say 'drug free' but if the PDI really does stick to it's decree of aesthetics over HULKING mass that we're used to seeing in the IFBB then we'll see if fans will put their money where their mouth is.

But by Demilia's own words, PDI seems to be a 'bodybuilding LITE' alternative to the IFBB.  It's not going to be so much about contests as it will be about entertainment and public acceptance.  And if he can make coins, so much the better.  But there's a problem...if the money's not going to be great, on a level with IFBB shows, then there's NO reason for guys to compete....no glory, since PDI is from it's own admission, a less-about-competition-more-entertainment federation.

I think the PDI's ultimate end will be money in Wayne's pockets....not the other way around for the athletes. 

My only hope is that they stick to the judging criteria they set out, dollars be damned.  THEN we can see if the fans come back (by Wayne's own words, the homosexual market that has faded away from the IFBB in terms of cash support....Wayne wants MONEY, and the gay market that the IFBB lost Wayne will attempt to gain!).

Much ado about nothing?....let's find out.

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #89 on: May 16, 2006, 06:39:37 PM »
They should make a Chickarillo bobbledhead doll ;)
though it should only bobble forward and back in agreeance with the IFBB

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #90 on: May 16, 2006, 06:51:22 PM »
From what I've read in DeMilia's interview in the may edition of Musclemag, I'm starting to think that any 2nd tier pro that doesn't make the jump to the PDI is an absolute retard.  DeMilia is simply brilliant, according to him the PDI will have: Health coverage and benefits for athletes, full hotel/airfare paid for top 8 guys (and possibly lower placings as well) , FAIR, UNBIASED JUDGING , a minimum grand prize of $30,000 a show which will be raised $25,000 every other year, BANNING of GH guts, synthol and distended stomachs.

Seriously, what competent, coherent bodybuilder wouldn't jump at the chance to join and compete in this organization, what does the IFBB provide in comparison?? a guy with a distended 42" waist winning his 8th olympia in a row to keep up some contrived, archaic legacy where a reigning mr.olympia cannot lose, screw that !

PDI all the way !

Oh and in the interview Wayne made it a point that the winner will be the bb'er with the best symmetrical body, NOT some 300lb. blated mass monster with a back.
 



Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......


First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years???  He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.??  I doubt that will be happenning


As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed.  Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way.  And I'm sure there will be a catch to it 

As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete????  Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home.  That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.   


As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....



Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent.  We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success.  I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him.  He's not going to have really any competition.  Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie.  He's going against.....

Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready  ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance  ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat  ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)


These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time.  The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't.  Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th.  The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes.  But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned.  He can't possibly lose





Its not the AFL/NFL.  The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people.  There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest.  People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money. 


Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass.  Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed.  Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over.  He will never win an IFBB event again.




Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro.  The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched.  Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you. 
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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #91 on: May 16, 2006, 07:32:25 PM »
Blackball me from WHAT?

raise, promotions, marketing, business opportunities, perceived clout

its very simple chick,

you are a ami employee
you are an ifbb officer
you cannot promote the pdi without getting reprimanded.

your attempts to sound like you are some sort of rebel, are most amusing.

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« Reply #92 on: May 16, 2006, 07:58:46 PM »


Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......


First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years???  He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.??  I doubt that will be happenning


As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed.  Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way.  And I'm sure there will be a catch to it 

As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete????  Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home.  That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.   


As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....



Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent.  We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success.  I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him.  He's not going to have really any competition.  Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie.  He's going against.....

Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready  ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance  ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat  ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)


These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time.  The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't.  Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th.  The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes.  But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned.  He can't possibly lose





Its not the AFL/NFL.  The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people.  There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest.  People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money. 


Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass.  Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed.  Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over.  He will never win an IFBB event again.




Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro.  The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched.  Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you. 

Calling me out how? my last Olympia that i was in shape for i placed 6th.That 15th place dosen't count as i didnt want to do the show and stated so in many interviews leading up to it.I have competed against guys who have the capability of beating me alot of guys have.But guess what?sometimes no matter how we look we never get compared from the start.So how can you have a fair judged show if half the guys aren't compared to the other guys?Just look at last years Olympia pre judging and tell me all the guys who were capable of beating others guys got a fair comparision to do it.   NOT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I have competed IFBB 13 years why not try something new.As for me winning the shows not to sure there are other great bodybuilders outside the USA who will join who if given the chance in the IFBB and compared would beat some big name.But the IFBB judging dosen't allow for such thing.How many times have we seen guys in great shape better theen the guys in the top 3-6 but yest never get compared?TOO FUKIN MANY.

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« Reply #93 on: May 16, 2006, 08:00:29 PM »
Yeah unfortunately Chic has to stay loyal to his pay packet , which is understandable , but think of this , if the PDI does not succeed , just what attitude will the IFBB then adopt ??? you all need to think about that, including you chic  !!!

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« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2006, 08:01:09 PM »


Saying it is one thing, doing it is entirely a different story......


First off, if Wayne was wanting to take the distended bellies and synthol out, then why didn't he do it when he was the IFBB Don for over 20 years???  He was the man at the time so it could have been done but it wasn't.??  I doubt that will be happenning


As far as Health Coverage is concerned, you can now get private health insurance at a good deal if you are self employed and being a pro bodybuilders counts as being self employed.  Ask Jay Cutler because he writes off all of his expenses that way.  And I'm sure there will be a catch to it 

As far as hotel and airfare is concerned, how can you determine who is going to be in the top 8 before you compete????  Meaning initially you'll still have to hump your airfare and expenses and hope you place in the top 8 so you won't have to catch a Greyhound bus home.  That's going to cause a lot of problems because a lot more people will compete thinking that they will not have to pay for expenses.   


As far as judging is concerned.....Pssk....



Chick, while very brutal is exactly right about lack of talent.  We all know Lee Priest is going to practically win every show which is why he has his pom poms on cheering for the PDI success.  I respect Lee and he's one of my favorite bodybuilders however I think this is a huge step down for him.  He's not going to have really any competition.  Come on folks, he's not battling Chris Cromier or Dexter or Ronnie.  He's going against.....

Jack London (Rhino)- Not refined enough, Not Ready  ::)
Vince Galanti- Not Ready, Not Earned the Right ::)
Richard Jones- Maybe a slim chance  ::)
Gary Strydom- Well past his prime-slight threat  ::)
Vince Taylor- Past his prime but the only legit threat ::)


These are not fresh faces folks, we've seen them in action numerous time.  The NOC is not going to be a great show unless they bring in some big names which they won't.  Some of you folks can chant Lee Priest name until the crows come home but if not mistaken, the last Olympia he placed 15th.  The Olympia is the showcase of the IFBB so it speaks volumes.  But it'll be a big payday for Lee Priest because the line-up is so weak that even Ken Jones would be a threat to 2 of the people I mentioned.  He can't possibly lose





Its not the AFL/NFL.  The IFBB doesn't need the PDI and Lee Priest isn't enough to bring people.  There's got to be more talent coming that can pose an actual threat to Lee Priest.  People will come but once they see who's competing they will be pissed that they wasted good money. 


Any IFBB Pro wanting to compete in the PDI is a complete dum-ass.  Suspension, fines, and worse yet being Blackballed.  Once Lee Priest takes the stage at the PDI, his career is basically over.  He will never win an IFBB event again.




Lee Priest....I'm calling you out bro.  The whole object of bodybuilding is to compete against people who are equally matched.  Why are you competing against people who don't have the capability of beating you. 

In all honesty, I think you're missing the entire point of the PDI. It's not about the top established tier, DeMilia said himself his federation will be a return to real true aesthetic, symmetrical bodybuilding physiques. Who cares if the competitors aren't 300lbs. shredded, is that the only interest you have in bodybuilding? because at that point I hardly think it's even considered bodybuilding anymore. We're talking about lean, balanced, proportioned physiques, like a return to the 80's and early 90's before insulin and GH became the norm. Do you honestly think the current top lineup of IFBB pro's is the best bunch of bodybuilders in the world? you honestly think there are no better out there? you might be in for a surprise. Shapeless mass shouldn't be rewarded in a bodybuilding contest, distended gh guts and obvious use of synthol should result in immediate disqualification, you ask why didn't DeMilia put this into effect earlier? because the IFBB wasn't HIS. There were people above him pulling the strings and controlling the shows from the shadows.

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2006, 08:07:13 PM »
Calling me out how? my last Olympia that i was in shape for i placed 6th.That 15th place dosen't count as i didnt want to do the show and stated so in many interviews leading up to it.I have competed against guys who have the capability of beating me alot of guys have.But guess what?sometimes no matter how we look we never get compared from the start.So how can you have a fair judged show if half the guys aren't compared to the other guys?Just look at last years Olympia pre judging and tell me all the guys who were capable of beating others guys got a fair comparision to do it.   NOT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I have competed IFBB 13 years why not try something new.As for me winning the shows not to sure there are other great bodybuilders outside the USA who will join who if given the chance in the IFBB and compared would beat some big name.But the IFBB judging dosen't allow for such thing.How many times have we seen guys in great shape better theen the guys in the top 3-6 but yest never get compared?TOO FUKIN MANY.

LEE     YOU CALLED I ANSWERED :)

I like Lee's logic here, why not try a new avenue, plus if it crashes and burned guys like Lee will have  milked bodybuilding for what they could and move on to other pursuits. A few more as good as Lee jump and the PDI is the new "Hot girl" in town, everyone will trying to get a pc of the action.
I hope it goes, it might save bodybuilding from the abyss.
Wayne seems to know how to navigate thru the bad PR of roids and make it seem like a class event.
Jim Manion is no fool either and perhaps this will make the entire sport come back to  a new golden age.
I respect Jim Manion and also feel Wayne is a great promoter, interesting to see what happens here????
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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2006, 08:34:39 PM »
I like Lee's logic here, why not try a new avenue, plus if it crashes and burned guys like Lee will have  milked bodybuilding for what they could and move on to other pursuits. A few more as good as Lee jump and the PDI is the new "Hot girl" in town, everyone will trying to get a pc of the action.
I hope it goes, it might save bodybuilding from the abyss.
Wayne seems to know how to navigate thru the bad PR of roids and make it seem like a class event.
Jim Manion is no fool either and perhaps this will make the entire sport come back to  a new golden age.
I respect Jim Manion and also feel Wayne is a great promoter, interesting to see what happens here????

Wayne also seems to have genuine concern for the health of the competitors something that is definetly not true in the IFBB, I think if some bb'er in the IFBB dropped dead on stage they wouldn't even send flowers to the widow, it would be just another day because there are so many others waiting in line for the opportunity to almost kill themselves for last place.

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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2006, 08:46:51 PM »
They should make a Chickarillo bobbledhead doll ;)
though it should only bobble forward and back in agreeance with the IFBB


I like Chic, but even he would have to admit THAT is some funny crap.
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Re: "There is NO ROOM for another federation in pro Bbing."
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2006, 08:48:00 PM »
"PDI: the homos' federation of choice."

we prefer the term queer

and it ain't a federation !

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« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2006, 08:49:32 PM »
we prefer the term queer

and it ain't a federation !

 You have to be gay to speak for gays as a group ::)