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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2006, 12:26:22 PM »
All I can say is that IF there are better pics floating around of this guy, it would be advisable of him to post them to save some semblance of dignity.  If thats possible....



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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2006, 12:30:20 PM »
Many of you guys don't understand this business (event promotion).

When sponsors put up money for a show, it's an investment, true, but it's not like the promoter is going to turn around at the end of the weekend and write a check to the sponsors.  

I don't profess to know the specifics of the financing for this show, but you're not going to get me to buy your ridiculous assertion that Shawn & Jeff 'put up' $100,000 cash for it out of their own pockets.  I just don't believe you.


Someone does.  Most items for the show are prepaid with the hope of making it back with tickets sales.  The convention is usually paid up front in payments with it totally paid for at least 48 hours before the show.  Then usually (not sure if here but at other places) their is another deposit of $5,000 to $10,000 tha can be put on your credit card for costs incurred at the show that were unforeseen in the estimate.  Like overtime, lighting addtions and sound, additonal chairs or staging or whatever.  Plus there is the drayage charge and whatever else.   Most of this show was paid for by sponsorship dollars.  VYOtech put up the $25,000 1st prize and apparently paid for the Hummer (which I still don't believe).  Boss put up 2nd prize I think.  BB.com gave $5,000 I think.  Those are the major sponsors.  The rest are considered minor or $2,000 and under.  Allot of the sponsors listed were bartered or donated or traded.  Unlike me I am sure Sean did not have an official Travel Agency where for every so many flights booked you recieve one.  Not sure about the hotel deal, but from the lack of crowd and visitors outside of Denver his hotel deal was probably not very good.  Usually you block a certain number of rooms and you get a certain number of rooms night free if you fill them.  Hopefully he got some room nights free for just the promotion the hotel received butnot many.  The pays for Manion and whoever else he brings to come to the show.  Anyway, someone American Express card was used allot.  I hope it wasn't Jeff Taylors.  It would be fair for him.  All those trips to Denver too Sean took have to be paid for too. But who knows VYOtech has the money Hydroderm (or whatever) has.  They (Vyotech) certaininly do not have the sales to support a show like this to many more times.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2006, 12:32:55 PM »
i love how Keith says "Sean" hahahaha, Shawna gets o.wned with every post by Keith.
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2006, 01:07:24 PM »
i love how Keith says "Sean" hahahaha, Shawna gets o.wned with every post by Keith.

kinda reminds you of someone don't you think. :-\

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2006, 01:09:20 PM »
Mower looks like he put on a little size
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2006, 01:22:13 PM »
Mower looks like he put on a little size

yeah thats fecesinyourface, now known as sarcasm,

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2006, 01:25:43 PM »
you guys make the call ;)

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2006, 01:26:57 PM »
Matt C, are you sure those pics are of the same person?  8)

First one you look like a hillbilly roadworker who has spent too much time holding a slow/stop sign on the side of the road.  The second one, the guy looks about 10 yrs younger than the other guy.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2006, 01:27:46 PM »
that's 240 and sarcasm?  I gotta go with sarcasm.
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2006, 01:29:46 PM »
that's 240 and sarcasm?  I gotta go with sarcasm.

the first lot are sarcasm,

the comparison is of mattc and 240

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2006, 01:30:23 PM »
that's 240 and sarcasm?  I gotta go with sarcasm.

That's 240 and Matt C and I'd have to give it to Matt in those pictures.
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2006, 01:32:51 PM »
That's 240 and Matt C and I'd have to give it to Matt in those pictures.

whos the better poser?

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2006, 01:34:48 PM »
Correct.   ;D
The reason why I didn't reply up until now is because it's not that concerning to me.  I'm happy how I am so it isn't that bothersome.  I just think it's silly that you bash my old pics.  At least bash the newer pics so that it's a bit closer to what I look like now.

At least be honest, of course it's concerning for you. If it wasn't you wouldn't have bothered to post anything.

And how can it be silly to bash your old pics when I didn't know you had new pics? Until you post the new pics and I know about them I can't comment on them.

If that is actually you in the newer pics then you've done a good job and added some muscle but be realistic, you're not really in a position to rag on anyone else for the way they look, especially considering that older picture.


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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2006, 01:40:01 PM »
you dudes are harsh :o

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2006, 01:44:14 PM »
Let's stick to the topic at hand.

Can someone post the "GOT TRANNY" pic of Shawn.   ;D

My only fear is that the thread will be axed if that happens.   ???

Off topic again, sorry but are you the one 240 had the melt down over? I thought his name was Matt.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2006, 01:50:07 PM »
why do you have 240 as your avatar?
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2006, 01:50:49 PM »
why do you have 240 as your avatar?

Just going with the trend.   ;D
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2006, 01:51:20 PM »
Someone does.  Most items for the show are prepaid with the hope of making it back with tickets sales.  The convention is usually paid up front in payments with it totally paid for at least 48 hours before the show.  Then usually (not sure if here but at other places) their is another deposit of $5,000 to $10,000 tha can be put on your credit card for costs incurred at the show that were unforeseen in the estimate.  Like overtime, lighting addtions and sound, additonal chairs or staging or whatever.  Plus there is the drayage charge and whatever else.   Most of this show was paid for by sponsorship dollars.  VYOtech put up the $25,000 1st prize and apparently paid for the Hummer (which I still don't believe).  Boss put up 2nd prize I think.  BB.com gave $5,000 I think.  Those are the major sponsors.  The rest are considered minor or $2,000 and under.  Allot of the sponsors listed were bartered or donated or traded.  Unlike me I am sure Sean did not have an official Travel Agency where for every so many flights booked you recieve one.  Not sure about the hotel deal, but from the lack of crowd and visitors outside of Denver his hotel deal was probably not very good.  Usually you block a certain number of rooms and you get a certain number of rooms night free if you fill them.  Hopefully he got some room nights free for just the promotion the hotel received butnot many.  The pays for Manion and whoever else he brings to come to the show.  Anyway, someone American Express card was used allot.  I hope it wasn't Jeff Taylors.  It would be fair for him.  All those trips to Denver too Sean took have to be paid for too. But who knows VYOtech has the money Hydroderm (or whatever) has.  They (Vyotech) certaininly do not have the sales to support a show like this to many more times.

Good breakdown.

You and I both know, however, that Shawn got all the financing secured - cash in hand - before going full force with the promotion of this event.  He threw around the idea of doing his own show, got some feedback, found a bigtime sponsor, and decided that - since he had never promoted before - it would be best to team up with an established and well-respected promoter like Jeff Taylor.  Once he had enough big sponsor money to cover sanctioning, prizes, judges, and venue, he then got down to the business of selling other sponsorships (includes expo spaces).

I'd be surprised if Shawn & Jeff had more than $25,000 of their own money at risk going into the weekend and their gate receipts were sufficient for them to get that back.  This is all supposition of my part, and I don't expect anyone to confirm the numbers I'm throwing out, but it stands to reason - assuming a round figure of $250,000 for the weekend - that they'd have 90% of that covered by sponsors.  

I booked my own flight, but did stay at the host hotel.  Other than the competitors, there really weren't many show attendees there.  The normal rooms were $120 and the suites were $250, which wasn't bad at all for the location.  There probably weren't that many nights comped for the promoters based on the room-nights we provided.  But that's a small thing, because the price was right.

All the exhibitors I spoke with were pleased with the turnout and most indicated they would return in 2007.  As a promoter, you cannot ask for much more than that.  
 

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2006, 02:32:09 PM »
Matt C what the hell is that shit on your face?

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2006, 03:23:02 PM »
240 are you going to promote a show in the near future and show everyone how its suppose to be done ?

Interesting take on it.

Not a bad idea.

Why not take on a smaller regional show, and show how to make that into a success 240?

That would be a real statement no doubt.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2006, 03:28:25 PM »
Interesting take on it.
Not a bad idea.
Why not take on a smaller regional show, and show how to make that into a success 240?
That would be a real statement no doubt.

I don't know enough about it, but I do know that many here have some serious knowledge on the matter.  I'm starting slow, with a table, and seeing how that goes and what opportunities arise. IMO it has to be a team effort - having 3 main people to run a pro show seems like way too much to handle for ppl with lives and real jobs.  Still trying to think of a way to make the whole thing less of a guaranteed loss.  I know a little bit about business and selling, but nothing about the promoter game.  I"m not trying to claim to be an expert by any means.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2006, 03:34:36 PM »
I don't know enough about it, but I do know that many here have some serious knowledge on the matter.  I'm starting slow, with a table, and seeing how that goes and what opportunities arise. IMO it has to be a team effort - having 3 main people to run a pro show seems like way too much to handle for ppl with lives and real jobs.  Still trying to think of a way to make the whole thing less of a guaranteed loss.  I know a little bit about business and selling, but nothing about the promoter game.  I"m not trying to claim to be an expert by any means.

Don't start off with the pro show, start with some amateur show in Florida where there is a lot of people living.

You've offered plenty of opinions on how to run a contest here as well IMO.

I'm sure you'll get lots of help from all these people you've managed to befriend here over the months you've been a member. 8)

And you got your MBA. Right?

So come on sport!

Show us how it's done!

The 240 or Bust Florida Classic 2007!

Bring the noize!

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2006, 03:36:32 PM »
yes !!! And I am sure Bob Chick will offer you to MC the show for free !!!
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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2006, 04:05:53 PM »
I don't know enough about it, but I do know that many here have some serious knowledge on the matter.  I'm starting slow, with a table, and seeing how that goes and what opportunities arise. IMO it has to be a team effort - having 3 main people to run a pro show seems like way too much to handle for ppl with lives and real jobs.  Still trying to think of a way to make the whole thing less of a guaranteed loss.  I know a little bit about business and selling, but nothing about the promoter game.  I"m not trying to claim to be an expert by any means.

You claim you don't know enough about it, but you most certainly run your mouth like you do.

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Re: Shawn Ray Appreciation Thread
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2006, 04:14:39 PM »
You claim you don't know enough about it, but you most certainly run your mouth like you do.

i talk about the marketing and sales aspect of that.  Hitting the gyms was the #1 way to sell tix, and they didn't do that, instead opting for mailing posters.

Anyway, I let that go, until Shawn decided to start a little photo war with me today. So, I made up a few vyo pics.