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Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« on: May 20, 2006, 02:19:41 PM »
are weaker than those of the past?

Say a Dennis James vs Bertil Fox?
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2006, 02:22:17 PM »
are weaker than those of the past?

Say a Dennis James vs Bertil Fox?

No, I'd say in that particular comparison James is every bit as strong as Fox was.  But Dennis is probably also one of the stronger pros competing today.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2006, 02:23:39 PM »
No, I'd say in that particular comparison James is every bit as strong as Fox was.  But Dennis is probably also one of the stronger pros competing today.

How so? Explain yourself.
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2006, 02:24:39 PM »
Steve Brisbois was probably stronger than any current pro.... :-\

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2006, 02:24:51 PM »
How so? Explain yourself.
Dennis James is strong as sh*t

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »
I'm pretty sure James probably squats in the neighborhood of 600-700 and benches in the 500's and in comparably strong in most other exercises.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2006, 02:28:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure James probably squats in the neighborhood of 600-700 and benches in the 500's and in comparably strong in most other exercises.

Half reps on machines don't count.  ::)
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2006, 02:28:45 PM »
Bertil Fox was stronger than shit.   ;)
Yeah definitely, I was just making a point that dennis james is not a weak current pro. Bertil was brutal

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2006, 02:31:13 PM »
Ok well we all know Betil does 5 plate benches like its nothing. Can DJ do it on free weights?
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2006, 02:39:24 PM »
I think that bodybuilders of yesteryear are just as strong as bodybuilders of today, if you gave them the same anabolics that todays bodybuilders are using.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2006, 02:41:24 PM »
I think the bodybuilders of the past are much stronger. They used free weights and trained up to 3 times a week. Now if you put say Dennis james on that program he would have a hart attack.
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2006, 02:42:23 PM »
A HART ATTACK?

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2006, 03:32:50 PM »
A HART ATTACK?

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I think he meant owen hart

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2006, 04:43:37 PM »
i think that Dennis and Bertil have comparable strength on pressing movements, i have both of their videos and Dennis inclines 495 for 3 and Bertil flat benches 505 for a single and it looked like he could have gotten two or three with it.
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2006, 08:02:22 PM »
The strongest bodybuilders today are probably as strong or stronger than those from 30 years ago.  Coleman is a beast.  Johnny Jackson is pretty strong. 

Columbu was probably pound for pound as strong as most anyone competing today.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2006, 08:06:08 PM »
i think that Dennis and Bertil have comparable strength on pressing movements, i have both of their videos and Dennis inclines 495 for 3 and Bertil flat benches 505 for a single and it looked like he could have gotten two or three with it.

Not sure what tape that is of Bertil, but in 1981 or so his first trip to World Gym, he sat on the end of the bench after someone just benched 495 and with myself, Kal Sklyak (?), Dennis Tinnerino, Gre Deferro and many other watched Bertil bench 495 as a warmup.  I told this story a few times on here.  He had just came in and Kal was gong around the gym making sure everyone knew who the new guy was.  He sat on the end of the bench facing the street and was strecthing for several minutes.  Eevryone was watching this monster stretch.  Then he laid down on the bench and grabbed the bar then let go and was stretching more.  They guys were all saying "no way is he going to do that".  Well he grabbed the bar lifted it off the rack and held it for about a few seconds, then lowered to his chest very slow.  He let it lay there for about a few more seconds, then proceeded to do 4 or 5 reps like nothing.  Everyone was grabbing each other and saying "no way" and justshaking their heads in amazment.  SO I promise you he could do allot more than what that tape shows.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2006, 11:25:24 PM »
coleman and a few others as an exception but i would go with the pros of yester year are stronger.  i think onlyme said it best in that guys used to love to lift and train, so they built up thier strength.  most people today depend on the anabolics for the strength and size.  know a few amateurs looking to go pro and i remember the guys havin a hard time with 225 after 6-12 months of sauce their in the 400's not to mention the size tha comes with.  come on.  they only lift big certain times in the year.  granted they don't train properly to keep the strength and thats why i say they depend too much on anabolics.  one friend doenst even go off anymore cause he can't take it mentally, so hes been on for the past 2 years straight.  the drugs dont put you past that point unless you do the work yourself.  thoughts onlyme.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2006, 12:12:49 AM »
Quote from: Dan-O on May 20, 2006, 02:22:17 PM
No, I'd say in that particular comparison James is every bit as strong as Fox was.  But Dennis is probably also one of the stronger pros competing today.


Quote from: Alexxx-----How so? Explain yourself.

Alexx snap the f**k out of it...DJ is one of the strongest Pros competing right now..

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2006, 12:15:19 AM »
Half reps on machines don't count.  ::)
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2006, 12:31:28 AM »
I think that there are or has been strong bodybuilders in all eras. I do feel however that in the "old days" strength was more highly regarded in the bodybuilding circles, maybe because there were less separation between bodybuilders and powerlifters. Nowadays both camps seem to be almost isolated if not almost at war with each other.

Now, Onlyme can correct me on this, but bodybuilders and powerlifters in the days used to train at the same places and pretty much the same way save for pre-contest (bodybuilding) or peaking (powerlifting) training. The biggest difference was diet.

Nowadays there are still some superstrong bodybuilders, but since strength doesn't seems to be as highly regarded guys who could really push-up amazing numbers don't really "go for it".

An example of a strong bodybuilder is Canadian heavyweight contender Samer Zebib who can incline bench press 415lbs for 12 reps 4 weeks out of a contest (in front of dozens of people, me included, and yes that was using free-weights, full range-of-motion, controlled reps). BUT I would agree that on AVERAGE bodybuilders back then were stronger, especially if we are talking about strength relative to bodyweight.

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2006, 10:28:56 AM »
I think that there are or has been strong bodybuilders in all eras. I do feel however that in the "old days" strength was more highly regarded in the bodybuilding circles, maybe because there were less separation between bodybuilders and powerlifters. Nowadays both camps seem to be almost isolated if not almost at war with each other.

Now, Onlyme can correct me on this, but bodybuilders and powerlifters in the days used to train at the same places and pretty much the same way save for pre-contest (bodybuilding) or peaking (powerlifting) training. The biggest difference was diet.

Nowadays there are still some superstrong bodybuilders, but since strength doesn't seems to be as highly regarded guys who could really push-up amazing numbers don't really "go for it".

An example of a strong bodybuilder is Canadian heavyweight contender Samer Zebib who can incline bench press 415lbs for 12 reps 4 weeks out of a contest (in front of dozens of people, me included, and yes that was using free-weights, full range-of-motion, controlled reps). BUT I would agree that on AVERAGE bodybuilders back then were stronger, especially if we are talking about strength relative to bodyweight.

Saner can't be taller than 5 foot so that doesn't really count.. Range of motion is half what it would be for a normal person. And I heard he inclined 5 plates for 6 reps.. He doesn't impress me.
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2006, 10:30:29 AM »
What. ???.are you for real..



Have you ever seen him train? Why do you think his legs are so crappy? I seen him do 8 plates squats.... on a machine for half reps in a flex photoshoot. :-\
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2006, 10:30:39 AM »
even if he has short arms, his strenght is still impressive

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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2006, 10:41:49 AM »
are weaker than those of the past?

Say a Dennis James vs Bertil Fox?

Every pro bodybuilder today can bench over 500, deadlift 700, squat 750, strict barbell curl 225, press behind neck 315. Thats according to what they claim at least. Its just nobody has ever seen them do it. ::)
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Re: Is it fair to say that bodybuilders today...
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2006, 10:45:07 AM »
Every pro bodybuilder today can bench over 500, deadlift 700, squat 750, strict barbell curl 225, press behind neck 315. Thats according to what they claim at least. Its just nobody has ever seen them do it. ::)

lol so true! I think Only coleman is legid!
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