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Arnold jr

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Injection Massaging
« on: May 30, 2006, 05:59:24 PM »
Came across this on another site...any thoughts?

"Massaging the area of a shot immediately afterwards WILL drive the depot out of the area into places you don't want it, increasing the chance that you will develop pain or an abscess.

What you can do is use pressure if you need to stop bleeding, but never rub it. The z track method will usually make it so you don't need compression to stem the blood flow.

The only time you should be applying heat is if the depot has crashed and you're sure of that. If it's an abscess using heat will only make it worse, use ice and get it drained ASAP, also take a broad spectrum antibiotic. Sepsis is not a laughing matter.

Massaging the area where you just injected requires pushing on the muscle that is full of w/e you just injected, keep in mind that there is a hole in the muscle and the oil is some-what compressed in there, so pushing on it will just send the oil back up the pin hole and spread it through the dermis and subcutaneous layers of the skin where you don’t want it. Even though you aspirated and everything is fine to inject in the muscle, you may have gone through a vein or blood vessel on the way to the muscle, so when the oil comes back up, into the blood stream it goes...

Picture the oil still being in the syringe, it stays in there freely on its own, but if you push the plunger it comes out because you are creating pressure, even is you don’t touch the plunger, but just push on the sides of the syringe, (as if you were massaging the muscle) it would still come out of the needle.

In my nursing book it is stated just like this," For injecting substances that may be irritating or cause discoloration of the subcutaneous tissues, the Z-tract IM method is used. Tissue is displaced by holding it to the side of the injection site. Following injection of the medication, the tissue is moved back over the site blocking any residual substance. Using this technique prevents the irritating medication from following the path of the needle and leaking out into the tissues. After Z-tract IM administration, the injection site should NOT be massaged for this action would encourage the irritating substance to circulate into the subcutaneous tissues."

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2006, 12:02:47 AM »
thoughts?.....
i think it makes a hell of a lot of sense
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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2006, 12:07:42 AM »
I have seen that post as well, and of course...its hard to say what is correct.

I know people who have doctors inject them and the doctors gently massage the area. 

Also, after injecting in a glute or delt, we move around or sit down, etc....and therefore the fluid moves around anyway.  IMO a gentle massage afterwards is a good thing.  Maybe FreakfestMD can shed some light on this issue....

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2006, 06:59:18 AM »
When I was nursing (long time ago) we used z tracking alot in the delts as this helped the oils from leaking out after a shot.

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2006, 02:40:12 PM »
thoughts?.....
i think it makes a hell of a lot of sense

I agree 100%

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2006, 03:06:54 PM »
I just shoot my shit and roll. I have never had a leakage prob and the only severe pain I ever had was when I was using that damn grapeseed oil gear.
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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2006, 03:39:35 PM »

When I inject I leave the needle in for a few seconds and then pull it out.

no massaging needed

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2006, 09:23:22 PM »
When I inject I leave the needle in for a few seconds and then pull it out.

no massaging needed

I do that too, sometimes if it's a little sore I'll give it a gentle massage.

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 10:48:43 AM »
I think some of these thoughts make sense when injecting a solution that is extremely caustic to surrounding tissue (which AAS are not), or if injecting a dye such as methylene blue to avoid skin staining.  The thought, however, that massaging the area leads to an increase in the rate of soft tissue abcess is simply unfounded. 

I don't see any particular problem with massaging the area--if anything, I would think it disperses the compounds within the muscle belly itself, and not to the subcutaneous tissue by any appreciable extent.

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 11:32:13 AM »
I think some of these thoughts make sense when injecting a solution that is extremely caustic to surrounding tissue (which AAS are not), or if injecting a dye such as methylene blue to avoid skin staining.  The thought, however, that massaging the area leads to an increase in the rate of soft tissue abcess is simply unfounded. 

I don't see any particular problem with massaging the area--if anything, I would think it disperses the compounds within the muscle belly itself, and not to the subcutaneous tissue by any appreciable extent.
Good to hear...I was hoping you'd reply to this topic.

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2006, 08:04:50 PM »
I think some of these thoughts make sense when injecting a solution that is extremely caustic to surrounding tissue (which AAS are not), or if injecting a dye such as methylene blue to avoid skin staining.  The thought, however, that massaging the area leads to an increase in the rate of soft tissue abcess is simply unfounded. 

I don't see any particular problem with massaging the area--if anything, I would think it disperses the compounds within the muscle belly itself, and not to the subcutaneous tissue by any appreciable extent.

Great post freaker, I always massage he area thoroughly, good to see I wasn't losing effectivenss

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2006, 08:07:49 PM »
ok
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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2006, 08:54:42 PM »
Yep you can always count on what the freak tells you, the man is a wizard in many areas.  An extremely great asset to this site.....if anyone here ever reads the injury and rehab board that man rules that place.

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Re: Injection Massaging
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2006, 05:43:18 AM »
Yep you can always count on what the freak tells you, the man is a wizard in many areas.  An extremely great asset to this site.....if anyone here ever reads the injury and rehab board that man rules that place.

Not any more, unfortunately.  There were just too many MD haters on that board, and I simply don't post there any more.  I don't discount the opinions of educated, knowledgeable persons, regardless of their field, be it chiropractic, physical therapy, etc,  but there were many on that board that I suspect were basically personal trainers with hidden agendas and really very little educational backround. One in particular (see post labeled "my opinion"--my response to that pretty much summed up how I feel about it). 

Anyway, maybe when I have more time or enthusiasm I'll revisit it.