Challenging S. Ray to a pic contest is like challenging Ali to a fight.

[ieffinhatecardio]

According to Shawn Ray challenging him to a shirts off picture contest is the same as challenging Ali to a boxing match.

Apparently Shawn Ray and Ali were equally successful and influential.

Sounds like challenging Ali to a Sparring match today.

Maybe Alex and 240 aren't the most delusional posters on Getbig.

[kiwiol]

According to Shawn Ray challenging him to a shirts off picture contest is the same as challenging Ali to a boxing match.
Apparently Shawn Ray and Ali were equally successful and influential.
Maybe Alex and 240 aren't the most delusional posters on Getbig.

Shawn was the 2nd best in the world twice (or thrice) in his field / sport, so don't see why the analogy is so far-fetched. As for delusional, what about your 240's post saying he would look better than Shawn shirtless ?

[240 is Back]

I was referring to the fact that Shawn has no problem posting a shirtless pic of me to attempt to score fictitious internet points, but chooses to avoid posting any shirtless pic of himself. 

It's like making fun of someone's shitty car while hitching a ride on the handlebars of your friend's bicycle.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Shawn was the 2nd best in the world twice (or thrice) in his field / sport, so don't see why the analogy is so far-fetched. As for delusional, what about your 240's post saying he would look better than Shawn shirtless ?

Just to clarify, you find the analogy of a bodybuilder that never won the ultimate prize in bodybuilding to be equal to a three time heavyweight champion boxer who is in the top 3 of greatest boxers of all time?

Ali is probably the most famous athlete name in the world behind Jordan.

Yup, sounds about right. Ali..................... .Ray...................R ay...................... ....Ali. There's nearly no difference. In fact the more I say the two names the more they blend into one name.

 

[WOOO]

I was referring to the fact that Shawn has no problem posting a shirtless pic of me to attempt to score fictitious internet points, but chooses to avoid posting any shirtless pic of himself. 

It's like making fun of someone's shitty car while hitching a ride on the handlebars of your friend's bicycle.

240 makes a valid point... Shawn's shit can't be taken seriously unless he's willing to post a recent shirtless pic... he won't because he knows he will get killed!!!!!!!!!!

[Tre]

Effin, you know I normally agree with you, but I'd have to argue that Shawn was indeed the uncrowned "Best in the World" on more than one occasion. 

Even though competitive bodybuilding isn't even on the radar when compared to boxing, inside this tiny world of ours, Shawn is a Great Man. 

[kiwiol]

Just to clarify, you find the analogy of a bodybuilder that never won the ultimate prize in bodybuilding to be equal to a three time heavyweight champion boxer who is in the top 3 of greatest boxers of all time?
Ali is probably the most famous athlete name in the world behind Jordan.
Yup, sounds about right. Ali..................... .Ray...................R ay...................... ....Ali. There's nearly no difference. In fact the more I say the two names the more they blend into one name.
 

You can't seriously be that retarded. You (or should I say 240) challenged Shawn to a 'posedown' of sorts and he just said that he's through with that stuff, having retired from it 5 years ago. And to make the analogy, he mentioned Ali. Are you saying he should have found the name of a boxer who was ranked 2nd in the years of 1994 and 1996 exactly, and mention his name (if such a person did exist) to get the point across? Shawn has proven his mettle onstage to show he can hang with the best of them (despite his height) - it's not like it's Ken jones considering himself the bodybuilding equivalent of Ali. BTW, the only 2 bodybuilders that Shawn never beat were Dorian and Lee (haney).

[ieffinhatecardio]

You can't seriously be that retarded. You (or should I say 240) challenged Shawn to a 'posedown' of sorts and he just said that he's through with that stuff, having retired from it 5 years ago. And to make the analogy, he mentioned Ali. Are you saying he should have found the name of a boxer who was ranked 2nd in the years of 1994 and 1996 exactly, and mention his name (if such a person did exist) to get the point across? Shawn has proven his mettle onstage to show he can hang with the best of them (despite his height) - it's not like it's Ken jones considering himself the bodybuilding equivalent of Ali. BTW, the only 2 bodybuilders that Shawn never beat were Dorian and Lee (haney).

Hey halfwit, I have nothing to do with that moronic shirtless picture challenge. My point is that in no way shape or form is Shawn Ray analogous to Ali.

Boxing, especially the heavyweight Champion back in Ali's day was considered God. Bodybuilding is a fringe activity that has nothing to do with the skill it takes to be heavyweight champion nevermind the incredible skill Ali possessed.

The fact that you would in anyway defend Shawn Ray when he compares himself to Ali shows that you have the comprehension of a three year old.

If your premise were true than every runner up checkers champion, runner up sewing champion, runner up bowling champion and runner up dart champion could compare himself to Ali.

The premise itself is absurd. For you not to see it is an indictment of either your school system or your parents, you choose.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Even though competitive bodybuilding isn't even on the radar when compared to boxing

This is in essence my point along with the fact that Ali possessed infinitely more talent than did Shawn Ray.

The skill level difference between boxers and bodybuilders isn't measured in feet or inches it's measured in light years.

[natural al]

I think shawn comes off like an asshole on these boards but it's pretty funny that 240 would challenge him.   The guy won the arnold, the nationals and finished in the top 5 at the O how many times?  If I was him, I'd be laughing my ass off at this challenge.  What a joke.  It's stuff like this that makes pro's not want to post here.

[Stavios]

I was referring to the fact that Shawn has no problem posting a shirtless pic of me to attempt to score fictitious internet points, but chooses to avoid posting any shirtless pic of himself. 

It's like making fun of someone's shitty car while hitching a ride on the handlebars of your friend's bicycle.

Well shawn makes fun of an old picture of you.

there is a shitload of old pics of him if you search a little bit  

[240 is Back]

IF Ali was on message boards insulting kids for their boxing skills, then yes, he would be fair game for callouts.

However, Ali had more dignity.

[irejistirred4deena]

I was referring to the fact that Shawn has no problem posting a shirtless pic of me to attempt to score fictitious internet points, but chooses to avoid posting any shirtless pic of himself. 

It's like making fun of someone's shitty car while hitching a ride on the handlebars of your friend's bicycle.

He's posting old pics of you.  Not current ones.  I'm sure he doesn't have any problem with you posting old pics of him. 

[HUGEPECS]

Shawn aint got shit to prove. period

[jaejonna]

Now if Shawn said that his wife can beat a member in a fight, then there would be an issue!!!

[Santa Claus]

Maybe Shawn was making a point to why one would bother comparing themselves to someone who is long since retired, as Ali and Shawn definitely are? A sparring match against Ali today would not be the same as back in the day, obviously.

[240 is Back]

Maybe Shawn was making a point to why one would bother comparing themselves to someone who is long since retired, as Ali and Shawn definitely are? A sparring match against Ali today would not be the same as back in the day, obviously.

BUT - if Ali was on the message boards, insulting amateur boxers, wouldn't he be fair game to be called out to back up his words?  He's not a hired commentator, talking about people onestage.  He's insulting strangers on message boards.

Shawn has milked the "I was great 10 years ago" thing long enough.  Everyone who has beef with shawn, has beef with the Shawn we see on the boards.  Sure, he was a great BBer.  But we don't see shawn 'the champ' on here.  We see Shawn the insecure message board whore.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I think shawn comes off like an asshole on these boards but it's pretty funny that 240 would challenge him.   The guy won the arnold, the nationals and finished in the top 5 at the O how many times?  If I was him, I'd be laughing my ass off at this challenge.  What a joke.  It's stuff like this that makes pro's not want to post here.

I agree completely. He should be laughing his ass of and not taking the challenge seriously. The challenge itself was idiotic.

Comparing himself to Ali though was also idiotic and delusional.

[kiwiol]

Hey halfwit, I have nothing to do with that moronic shirtless picture challenge. My point is that in no way shape or form is Shawn Ray analogous to Ali.
Boxing, especially the heavyweight Champion back in Ali's day was considered God. Bodybuilding is a fringe activity that has nothing to do with the skill it takes to be heavyweight champion nevermind the incredible skill Ali possessed.
The fact that you would in anyway defend Shawn Ray when he compares himself to Ali shows that you have the comprehension of a three year old.
If your premise were true than every runner up checkers champion, runner up sewing champion, runner up bowling champion and runner up dart champion could compare himself to Ali.
The premise itself is absurd. For you not to see it is an indictment of either your school system or your parents, you choose.

I don't think you comprehend what I wrote mate. Sure, boxing may take a lot of skill and all, but bodybuilding, especially at the Olympia level isn't easy either. It's not just going through the motions when you are in the gym and trying to figure out the diet only. There's a whole lot of work involved. It doesn't matter what the field of activity is - my point is that anyone who get's ranked in the top 5 or 10 in the world has to work their butt off, if not dedicate their life to get to that level. The skills involved could be complicated and may take years to achieve, like boxing or bodybuilding (yes, you can't reach the Olympia stage without a certain amount of brains and hard work) or it may be relatively easier.

I can't speak for Shawn, but I don't think he compared himself to Ali to imply he was just as popular or recognised. It just sounds like he was saying that there is no need for someone to come out of retirement to go against a nobody when they have proven themselves on record time and again (albeit on different levels / scales).

[Santa Claus]

BUT - if Ali was on the message boards, insulting amateur boxers, wouldn't he be fair game to be called out to back up his words?  He's not a hired commentator, talking about people onestage.  He's insulting strangers on message boards.

Shawn has milked the "I was great 10 years ago" thing long enough.  Everyone who has beef with shawn, has beef with the Shawn we see on the boards.  Sure, he was a great BBer.  But we don't see shawn 'the champ' on here.  We see Shawn the insecure message board whore.

By all means, I am not defending Shawn in any way, just saying that maybe that particular statement was taken out of context, that's all.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I don't think you comprehend what I wrote mate. Sure, boxing may take a lot of skill and all, but bodybuilding, especially at the Olympia level isn't easy either. It's not just going through the motions when you are in the gym and trying to figure out the diet only. There's a whole lot of work involved. It doesn't matter what the field of activity is - my point is that anyone who get's ranked in the top 5 or 10 in the world has to work their butt off, if not dedicate their life to get to that level. The skills involved could be complicated and may take years to achieve, like boxing or bodybuilding (yes, you can't reach the Olympia stage without a certain amount of brains and hard work) or it may be relatively easier.

I can't speak for Shawn, but I don't think he compared himself to Ali to imply he was just as popular or recognised. It just sounds like he was saying that there is no need for someone to come out of retirement to go against a nobody when they have proven themselves on record time and again (albeit on different levels / scales).

So you're saying that the skill level of Ali is comparable to the skill level of Shawn Ray because he had to figure out how to lift, eat, juice and sleep to get the build he achieved?

Please correct me if I'm interpreting your words incorrectly but from what I've seen you're saying it wasn't easy for Shawn Ray to reach the Olympia because of all the hard work that goes into it and the skill is in figuring out diet and drugs and timing your shape for competitions. And this is what your comparing to Ali's boxing talent?

I admit Shawn Ray busted his ass building his body and making it to the Olympia and winning the Arnold but I'm also saying that is in no way analogous to Ali's incredible talent. Not even in the same hemisphere.

It's like comparing the sun to a pebble.

[kiwiol]

So you're saying that the skill level of Ali is comparable to the skill level of Shawn Ray because he had to figure out how to lift, eat, juice and sleep to get the build he achieved?
Please correct me if I'm interpreting your words incorrectly but from what I've seen you're saying it wasn't easy for Shawn Ray to reach the Olympia because of all the hard work that goes into it and the skill is in figuring out diet and drugs and timing your shape for competitions. And this is what your comparing to Ali's boxing talent?
I admit Shawn Ray busted his ass building his body and making it to the Olympia and winning the Arnold but I'm also saying that is in no way analogous to Ali's incredible talent. Not even in the same hemisphere.
It's like comparing the sun to a pebble.

Well, yes and no. Every sport/field of activity entails a distinct set of skills/talent. You might think that genetics + drugs + hard work = Mr Olympia, but its actually more than that. Shawn never worked with a consultant during his career (at least for training and dieting) and also, he was pretty spot on with his conditioning (save a couple of times and even then, only relatively). And you can't do that just by guesstimating or just by following instructions from a book or something. You need a certain amount of brains. And I know this is a pretty hard point to prove, but I reckon its just as hard to be Mr Olympia as it is to become the World boxing Champion (or whatever the title is). In fact, it's incredibly hard to be in the top of any field of endeavour. How one can compare the talent of say the the number 1 guy in boxing to say, tennis is beyond me. If you said that Ali's popularity and recognition pales Shawn's in comparison, I wouldn't argue with you at all. But I don't see how Ali's talent in boxing greatly eclipses Shawn's talent in bodybuilding. You see what I mean?

[ieffinhatecardio]

And I know this is a pretty hard point to prove, but I reckon its just as hard to be Mr Olympia as it is to become the World boxing Champion (or whatever the title is). In fact, it's incredibly hard to be in the top of any field of endeavour. How one can compare the talent of say the the number 1 guy in boxing to say, tennis is beyond me. If you said that Ali's popularity and recognition pales Shawn's in comparison, I wouldn't argue with you at all. But I don't see how Ali's talent in boxing greatly eclipses Shawn's talent in bodybuilding. You see what I mean?

Nope, I don't see what you mean. You had me listening to your argument until I read the first line of yours that I quoted above.

You might be correct in your assessment that it's as hard to become the Olympia champion as it is to become the heavyweight boxing champion but that's where any similarity ends.

Boxing talent is an actual physical talent, a skill and it is easily seen and measured.

Bodybuilding talent is based on many things that are not easily seen or measured. The right lifting routine, the right diet, the right drug routine and lastly the right genetics for the body to respond. You'll notice that none of those talents is an actual physical talent. It takes hard work, knowledge, genetics and drugs to be a great bodybuilder.

It takes incredible physical skill and talent to be a great boxer or tennis player.

Bodybuilding is not analogous with boxing, or tennis or any other sport for individual athletes. I don't see how anything in bodybuilding is analogous with returning a 125 MPH serve or throwing an effective left hook to the body of another professional boxer.

Bodybuilding stands alone as a fringe activity.

[onlyme]

I have met ALLOT of people in my time.  And meeting and being with Ali ranks at the very top of anyone I ever met.  When he enters a room it is like it is filled with lightning.  The electricity that people give off when he is around is awesome.  It's like being at a major concert.  You ask just about any major celebrity (male) who they would like to meet and the majority of them say Ali.  That was a poll done a while back.  The way people react when they see him is unreal.  I am sorry but even in the BB world, no one got a reaction like Ali did except for Arnold.  Not a good comparison guys.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I have met ALLOT of people in my time.  And meeting and being with Ali ranks at the very top of anyone I ever met.  When he enters a room it is like it is filled with lightning.  The electricity that people give off when he is around is awesome.  It's like being at a major concert.  You ask just about any major celebrity (male) who they would like to meet and the majority of them say Ali.  That was a poll done a while back.  The way people react when they see him is unreal.  I am sorry but even in the BB world, no one got a reaction like Ali did except for Arnold.  Not a good comparison guys.

So you're saying it wasn't a good comparison for Shawn Ray to compare himself to Muhammed Ali?