Serious Question: How long will the PDI last?

[ieffinhatecardio]

There clearly isn't enough of a fan base or talent pool to sustain two professional bodybuilding organizations.

How long will the PDI survive before it folds? How many shows will it put on before the doors are shut? And will the shows go off smoothly with competitors being paid their winnings?

I give it 18 months and I say three shows are put on before it fails.

No intent to flame, I'm just curious what others think.

[Lynchie]

Don't care enough to think about the PDI. I just come here to see pro's making fools of themselves.

Ok, back to your question. I see them lasting roughly two years and bodybuilding as a whole, another 5-10 years. It's dying...

[DK II]

i think it will establish a bodybuilding organization were aesthetics rule over mass.

thus they will become mainstream, all PDI builders will get major commercial deals and sponsorships by beer companies.

this way the PDI will crush the IFBB in 2 years.

[ieffinhatecardio]

i think it will establish a bodybuilding organization were aesthetics rule over mass.

thus they will become mainstream, all PDI builders will get major commercial deals and sponsorships by beer companies.

this way the PDI will crush the IFBB in 2 years.

Where the hell are all the competitors going to come from?

Lee Priest and Vince aren't going to make a viable business.

I don't see how they can succeed with guys that couldn't get Pro cards in the IFBB.

The talent pool just isn't there, nevermind the fan base to support two seperate organizations.

[RHINO290]

There clearly isn't enough of a fan base or talent pool to sustain two professional bodybuilding organizations.

How long will the PDI survive before it folds? How many shows will it put on before the doors are shut? And will the shows go off smoothly with competitors being paid their winnings?

I give it 18 months and I say three shows are put on before it fails.

No intent to flame, I'm just curious what others think.

Just curious, are you asking this just because Vince says he has not decided what to do yet? Do you really think anyone is going to fully commit untill it's time?

You have no idea how many ifbb pros are considering this move, but I will tell you, it's enough that Maniion is pretty pissed, or so I have been told. I don't know that first hand.

PDI is not going anywhere, VInce Taylor or no Vince Taylor. There is enough talent to go around, there so much unrealized talent in the ifbb and npc, it is disgusting.

Then you have the enevitalbe collapse of AMI. Well, I'm not a betting man, but if I was......

What do you think those ami athletes are going to do once ami folds and there contracts are cancelled?

[240 is Back]

Pro BBing / IFBB is watching the bumpercars, where half the competitors have no gas pedal. They just get knocked around.  You root, you complain, but it's always the same.

With the PDI around, it's like two interlaced rollercoasters which every so often are going to collide.  It's competitive again, there is a buzz, there are chances for collisions.   

[RHINO290]

Where the hell are all the competitors going to come from?

Lee Priest and Vince aren't going to make a viable business.

I don't see how they can succeed with guys that couldn't get Pro cards in the IFBB.

The talent pool just isn't there, nevermind the fan base to support two seperate organizations.

Thats where you are painfully wrong. There are many people:npc, ifbb, nabba, and such that are great bodybuilders, better than a vast majority of the ifbb guys. Beilieve me when I tell you that an Andreas Frey could beat half, if not more of the iffbb pros in ay given pro show.....

PDI will recapture much of the fan base that has been lost over the years, thats how we will thrive.

Tell me something, you know who is going to be Mr. Olympia, second third, even fourth plave in 2006, thats a given, what you wonder about is what is going to happen @ the noc......you don't know, and you are very curious..thats not by accident pal.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Just curious, are you asking this just because Vince says he has not decided what to do yet? Do you really think anyone is going to fully commit untill it's time?

You have no idea how many ifbb pros are considering this move, but I will tell you, it's enough that Maniion is pretty pissed, or so I have been told. I don't know that first hand.

PDI is not going anywhere, VInce Taylor or no Vince Taylor. There is enough talent to go around, there so much unrealized talent in the ifbb and npc, it is disgusting.

Then you have the enevitalbe collapse of AMI. Well, I'm not a betting man, but if I was......

What do you think those ami athletes are going to do once ami folds and there contracts are cancelled?

Yes, I'm asking this because of the rumors that Vince isn't signing with the PDI but it's also something I've been thinking about for a while.

If your assertion that AMI is folding and there will be a lot of competitors without contracts then that changes things but I'm looking at it from the perspective of a status quo.

If things stay the way they are right now I don't see how the PDI can survive and thrive.

No offense, you're a cool guy so don't take this personally.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Thats where you are painfully wrong. There are many people:npc, ifbb, nabba, and such that are great bodybuilders, better than a vast majority of the ifbb guys. Beilieve me when I tell you that an Andreas Frey could beat half, if not more of the iffbb pros in ay given pro show.....

PDI will recapture much of the fan base that has been lost over the years, thats how we will thrive.

Tell me something, you know who is going to be Mr. Olympia, second third, even fourth plave in 2006, thats a given, what you wonder about is what is going to happen @ the noc......you don't know, and you are very curious..thats not by accident pal.

If you're right that there are many untapped bodybuilders out there then I'm glad, I want the PDI to succeed but I'm a little skeptical. If they're out there and they compete in the PDI then it's better for everyone but if the PDI's competitors aren't equal to or greater than the competitors in the IFBB then it won't work.

The fans aren't going to settle for a watered down product.

Yes, I know who's going to finish in the top two in the Olympia but what does that prove? Ronnie and Jay are the best.

I think you're not being pragmatic when you look at the PDI, you seem to be too emotionally attached to it to realistically see what it is.

A new organization is a good thing but only if it's competitors are what we have come to see and expect as professional level.

[body88]

I hope to see the PDI succeed. Wayne knows a thing or two about bodybuilding and mistakes from the past failed organization could be avoided with this new venture.

There has to be an alternative. The IFBB sucks!

[ieffinhatecardio]

I hope to see the PDI succeed. Wayne knows a thing or two about bodybuilding and mistakes from the past failed organization could be avoided with this new venture.

There has to be an alternative. The IFBB sucks!

Where are the competitors going to come from?

[RHINO290]

Yes, I'm asking this because of the rumors that Vince isn't signing with the PDI but it's also something I've been thinking about for a while.

If your assertion that AMI is folding and there will be a lot of competitors without contracts then that changes things but I'm looking at it from the perspective of a status quo.

If things stay the way they are right now I don't see how the PDI can survive and thrive.

No offense, you're a cool guy so don't take this personally.

Oh, no, no, I am not taking it personally, you are a cool guy too, and it IS a legitimate question, a very good one.

Okay, I will put it out there..... In my opinion, Vince will do the NOC, and things are changing as we speak. I read the Wall Street Journal, and according to the periodical, the only reason why Pecker has not been kicked out is because he is 49% share holder as well as having a ridiculous exit parachute. But, there is no question about the fact that he is in default with multiple banks and is trying to sell theses mags to pay off debt. It has been reported that AMI is in serious financial trouble..serious trouble.

People want a change, but only a few of us have the balls to put it out there, but there are many who want to be a part of this thing, but are scared of reprecussions. I got news today from an anonymous source that Mr. Manion is very upset, but that again is not first hand knowledge.

Here is what I Know, I will be there to compete, against whoever is qualified, and has the guts(LOL)!!!!

[littleguns]

Where the hell are all the competitors going to come from?

Lee Priest and Vince aren't going to make a viable business.

True but the other IFBB jumpers will. Like anything it will be a gamble and with anything there is a degree of failure but my sources tell me there are 3-4 top 10 Mr. Olympia guys already wearing their XXXL PDI shirts soo....

Competition is good for business whether you like it or not!

[RHINO290]

If you're right that there are many untapped bodybuilders out there then I'm glad, I want the PDI to succeed but I'm a little skeptical. If they're out there and they compete in the PDI then it's better for everyone but if the PDI's competitors aren't equal to or greater than the competitors in the IFBB then it won't work.

The fans aren't going to settle for a watered down product.

Yes, I know who's going to finish in the top two in the Olympia but what does that prove? Ronnie and Jay are the best.

I think you're not being pragmatic when you look at the PDI, you seem to be too emotionally attached to it to realistically see what it is.

A new organization is a good thing but only if it's competitors are what we have come to see and expect as professional level.

I am not being pragmatic, you are right, but not for me. I want to see the athletes have a choice, for me, it is not that important, you guys are more important than some status, I really just want things to be fair, for the next generation.

I am going to make a stand on this thing, and if I go down...so be it, but I doubt it.....

[RHINO290]

Where are the competitors going to come from?

As far as where are the competitors coming from? If I told you the name Phil Heath 18 months ago, you would have said, "who the hell is that?". Now he is an olympia hopefull, they are out there, I'm tellin ya, there are alot of them out there......

[ieffinhatecardio]

As far as where are the competitors coming from? If I told you the name Phil Heath 18 months ago, you would have said, "who the hell is that?". Now he is an olympia hopefull, they are out there, I'm tellin ya, there are alot of them out there......

Tell me Phil Heath is moving to the PDI and I'll believe because I think he's the future of bodybuilding once the old guard of mass monsters has moved on.

[body88]

Where are the competitors going to come from?

I believe many are just waiting to see how the first show runs. Why would these guys stay with the Ifbb. Unless you are a top 5 guy you make no money. The sponsors will still sponsor them if they compete in a different organization.

The entire second tier has no reason to stay in the IFBB. Why stay with a organization that you cannot win in?

[ieffinhatecardio]

I believe many are just waiting to see how the first show runs. Why would these guys stay with the Ifbb. Unless you are a top 5 guy you make no money. The sponsors will still sponsor them if they compete in a different organization.

The entire second tier has no reason to stay in the IFBB. Why stay with a organization that you cannot win in?

But can the PDI sustain itself as an alternative to the IFBB if the competitors are second or third tier IFBB pros?

The PDI needs to snag Phil Heath and every other young bodybuilder with the potential to be a first tier pro.

[RHINO290]

Tell me Phil Heath is moving to the PDI and I'll believe because I think he's the future of bodybuilding once the old guard of mass monsters has moved on.

I was just using him as an example. I doubt he is coming to PDI. See what body 88 says...He understands as well.

[RHINO290]

But can the PDI sustain itself as an alternative to the IFBB if the competitors are second or third tier IFBB pros?

The PDI needs to snag Phil Heath and every other young bodybuilder with the potential to be a first tier pro.

There is a whole big fanbase out ther."Laypeople" who don't know the difference, 1st, 2nd, whatever. They want to see bodybuilders, good ones. To the trained eye, you and me, there is a big difference, but there are alot of people who don't want to see the likes of Jay and Ronnie, because they just can't relate, at all. 

[Sculpter]

I can see it lasting as long as it's always improving upon itself.You have to remember, the IFBB wasn't built in just a night.The very first O prize package was only what, a crown & a $1000 dollars if that?The competitors will come from where they come from now.After graduating from the NPC they will have the choice of going to the IFBB or w/PDI.More choices for the athletes in the long run.To really succeed I hope the PDI takes the fans /competitors opinions on how to improve/what they want to see to heart.

[littleguns]

There is some other guy, I think his name is Jack London and he goes by some animal name....Giraffe, Muskrat...Rhino thats it....

This guy is coming from obscurity and he is supposed to do some damage

There is also this slick guido guy named Galanti that is coming to play as well.

Truthfully tho, Sponsors are sponsors, they want bodies/looks and could care less of affiliations.And my understanding is the PDI will allow competitors more opportunities to guest pose at other non-sanctioned shows thus increasing their earning potential.

Jack, if you read this, how was the guest posing this weekend? Any pics?

[body88]

But can the PDI sustain itself as an alternative to the IFBB if the competitors are second or third tier IFBB pros?

The PDI needs to snag Phil Heath and every other young bodybuilder with the potential to be a first tier pro.

I think they have a much better shot at Jones than Health. I do think most all the second tier guys MM, J jackson, Freeman and so on will make the jump. Imo these guys have large fan bases that could really help the PDI get off the ground.

Placing low in a contest does not carry the sting if you are soundly beaten. Not the case alot of times in the IFBB. Not to mention these guys make peanuts and compete in a organization that rewards mass over the ideals of true bodybuilding

[RHINO290]

There is some other guy, I think his name is Jack London and he goes by some animal name....Giraffe, Muskrat...Rhino thats it....

This guy is coming from obscurity and he is supposed to do some damage

There is also this slick guido guy named Galanti that is coming to play as well.

Truthfully tho, Sponsors are sponsors, they want bodies/looks and could care less of affiliations.And my understanding is the PDI will allow competitors more opportunities to guest pose at other non-sanctioned shows thus increasing their earning potential.

Jack, if you read this, how was the guest posing this weekend? Any pics?

I did not get any good pics, but I think there were some getbiggers there. I was pleased with the way I looked, I was 265lbs, I think the crowd was dumbfounded!!

All I say were flashes going off!!! It was really fun!!

[michael arvilla]

Your first pro-guest posing and no pictures!??!??


where was your PR man ?(240)....................