dzullboy, I agree that they both are great. But in 1998/1999, you cannot deny that they both got soundly trounced by Ronnie. If you don't like guts and can overlook his massive size advantage, then I guess one of them should have won the Mr. Olympia. However, I feel that either could have beaten Dorian also as he more similar to Ronnie than dissimilar (gut wise).