Author Topic: Most Impressive conditioning for a NATURAL..... (Read 11718 times)

Armageddon · « **Reply #25 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:30:36 AM »

any other pix?

TheGoldenPrince · « **Reply #26 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:32:54 AM »

Sure I do...

Hedgehog · « **Reply #27 on:** July 06, 2006, 09:45:23 AM »

NPCOCK is funny.

But seems like he will skip the Team Universe though.

YIP
Zack

njflex · « **Reply #28 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:42:38 PM »

it all depend's on how his muscle is balanced,short or long armed and same for leg's,torso length.musle bellies,conditioning.if in peaked condition and full type bellies he could give an illusion of a larger bodyweight at being only a lightweight.so yes it happens....

chris_mason · « **Reply #29 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:53:05 PM »

Quote from: jonno gb on July 06, 2006, 05:58:56 AM

Why dont you think he's natural-if he took gear he would surely be a lot bigger? Achieving top condition is all about hard dieting and cardio over a long period not about taking drugs.I don't think you understand natural bodybuilding HUGEPECS

I think you do not understand what anabolics do for you and what is possible for a truly clean athlete.

chris_mason · « **Reply #30 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:54:41 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on July 06, 2006, 10:01:09 AM

For 5'4 and 1/2, is 151 pounds a good competitive weight when juiced to the gills?

Anabolics do not make every user into Ronnie Coleman. They WILL make every user larger than without their use but the degree of growth one can achieve even with drugs is still hereditarily controlled to some extent.

jonno gb · « **Reply #31 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:31:04 AM »

Quote from: chris_mason on July 06, 2006, 05:53:05 PM

I think you do not understand what anabolics do for you and what is possible for a truly clean athlete.

I am a competitive natural bodybuilder so I have a good idea of what can be achieved naturally.Naturals will not achieve the size and thickness of assisted guys but can show an illusion of size on stage through balance and condition.If you have ever met any top naturals you would be suprised how small they look in clothes around contest time.Incidentaly,the organisation that Andrew Merrifield(and myself) compete in is a lifetime natural organisation that is tested to WADA/IOC standards by UK Sports.

kyomu · « **Reply #32 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:43:25 AM »

Even most of pros dont reach this condition.

ounpowerhouse · « **Reply #33 on:** July 07, 2006, 08:48:10 AM »

An other BNBF bodybuilder

Bast175 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 07, 2006, 08:51:44 AM »

Bill Lawrence at just 154lbs

kyomu · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2006, 08:55:54 AM »

Now,I doubt... those stories "GH is required to shredd to the bone..etc" are all myth??
All the matter is in our conciousness. As I always have doubted since I saw this kind of staff or my friend Ogawa.

shiftedShapes · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2006, 11:44:23 AM »

Quote from: Bast175 on July 07, 2006, 08:51:44 AM

Bill Lawrence at just 154lbs

do you know his height?

incredbile condition

Prime · « **Reply #37 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:44:14 PM »

Quote from: ounpowerhouse on July 07, 2006, 08:48:10 AM

An other BNBF bodybuilder

That is Alun davies. I have seen both him and Adrew Meredith compete (different shows). Both demonstrated a level of conditioning that i have only ever seen in one other guy, BNBF lightweight champ Ian Smith.
I have seen tested and non tested shows, surprisingly the best conditioned guys have been at the tested shows. But i think that's due to a trend to be as shredded as possible in the naturals, because there is a real limit to being "as big as possible". Shame really because i compete and hate the fucking 6 month dieting!

jonno gb · « **Reply #38 on:** July 07, 2006, 03:57:58 PM »

Quote from: Prime on July 07, 2006, 12:44:14 PM

That is Alun davies. I have seen both him and Adrew Meredith compete (different shows). Both demonstrated a level of conditioning that i have only ever seen in one other guy, BNBF lightweight champ Ian Smith.
I have seen tested and non tested shows, surprisingly the best conditioned guys have been at the tested shows. But i think that's due to a trend to be as shredded as possible in the naturals, because there is a real limit to being "as big as possible". Shame really because i compete and hate the fucking 6 month dieting!

What shows are you doing this year Prime?

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #39 on:** July 07, 2006, 05:00:57 PM »

You don't get conditioning from steroids or GH.

It's from dieting, diuretics, and non anaboilc substances like DNP people.

chris_mason · « **Reply #40 on:** July 07, 2006, 06:41:21 PM »

Quote from: FREAKgeek on July 07, 2006, 05:00:57 PM

You don't get conditioning from steroids or GH.

It's from dieting, diuretics, and non anaboilc substances like DNP people.

Now that is just dead wrong. Both steroids and GH aid in the loss of body fat.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #41 on:** July 07, 2006, 06:44:21 PM »

Quote from: FREAKgeek on July 07, 2006, 05:00:57 PM

You don't get conditioning from steroids or GH.

It's from dieting, diuretics, and non anaboilc substances like DNP people.

Wrong.

Also, if you're gonna fucck with DNP, make sure your life insurance is paid up.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #42 on:** July 07, 2006, 07:03:09 PM »

Let me clarify myself. You don't get a look anywhere near the pics relevant to this thread's discussion just shooting yourself up alone. Look at any pro offseason. Most Steroids make you retain a lot of water. You want to make the argument that drugs help maintain mass while dieting I agree but anybody can diet down to 4% without steroids. I've put enough shit in my bloodstream to know this.

jude2 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 07, 2006, 08:05:47 PM »

Quote from: shiftedShapes on July 07, 2006, 11:44:23 AM

do you know his height?

incredbile condition

Bill is 5'6" . That pic is form the TU where he placed 2nd in the LW.

kyomu · « **Reply #44 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:15:33 AM »

Quote from: FREAKgeek on July 07, 2006, 05:00:57 PM

You don't get conditioning from steroids or GH.

It's from dieting, diuretics, and non anaboilc substances like DNP people.

I used to compete a lot(Currently I am planning comeback though...) and natural. People always said to me"Natural BBer alway look dead because of lacking the aid of GH".
What they mean is that vivid muscle tense out your skin and your skin look thinner than who dont have vivid muscle.
And if you diet down,you know,your muscle always lose fulness.And GH keeps your muscle full in spite of your low calories intake.

Prime · « **Reply #45 on:** July 08, 2006, 09:13:19 AM »

Quote from: jonno gb on July 07, 2006, 03:57:58 PM

What shows are you doing this year Prime?

If i told you it would reveal my secret identity

I'm no one special though, jut a run of the mill guy.

jonno gb · « **Reply #46 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:41:31 AM »

Quote from: Prime on July 08, 2006, 09:13:19 AM

If i told you it would reveal my secret identity

I'm no one special though, jut a run of the mill guy.

I might have competed against you last year-I did NPA Heart of England,South East and the finals.Taking a year off this year to try to put some size on so all the guys on here think I'm taking gear

Prime · « **Reply #47 on:** July 08, 2006, 11:17:58 AM »

Quote from: jonno gb on July 08, 2006, 10:41:31 AM

I might have competed against you last year-I did NPA Heart of England,South East and the finals.Taking a year off this year to try to put some size on so all the guys on here think I'm taking gear

lol naw mate, i know who you are (seen you're pic) we have never met.

gh15 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 08, 2006, 11:49:26 AM »

NONE of the guys in the pics on this thread are NATURAL.

natural = never done hormones and never taken illegal supp that are being removed from the market (yes m1t is and so are all pro hormones and sdi products) and i consider igf as a supplement now days.

few of the pics you posted here look like the person is in a clean state of condition,, that means he has done cycles in the past to achieve the muscle growth needed,,,and then layed back on the hormones and got into a natural competition.

few of the pics you posted in this thread are guys that never layed off the hormones and still doing them while competing in a natural competition. they do it by simply avoid hormones and ILLEGAL substances last 15-20 days pre competition which also helps them in water drop.

real natural is a person that bodybuilding is not his major concern,,you will see real natural at your local gym working out at 180lb with 16% bodyfat%. that guy ALEX is a real natural! you feed him what the guys in the pics have taken and he will blow up to new dimentions and it is very easy to tell if you know bodybuilding.

alexxx · « **Reply #49 on:** July 08, 2006, 11:51:28 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on July 08, 2006, 11:49:26 AM

NONE of the guys in the pics on this thread are NATURAL.

natural = never done hormones and never taken illegal supp that are being removed from the market (yes m1t is and so are all pro hormones and sdi products) and i consider igf as a supplement now days.

few of the pics you posted here look like the person is in a clean state of condition,, that means he has done cycles in the past to achieve the muscle growth needed,,,and then layed back on the hormones and got into a natural competition.

few of the pics you posted in this thread are guys that never layed off the hormones and still doing them while competing in a natural competition. they do it by simply avoid hormones and ILLEGAL substances last 15-20 days pre competition which also helps them in water drop.

real natural is a person that bodybuilding is not his major concern,,you will see real natural at your local gym working out at 180lb with 16% bodyfat%. that guy ALEX is a real natural! you feed him what the guys in the pics have taken and he will blow up to new dimentions and it is very easy to tell if you know bodybuilding.

Thanks but I am 230 pounds at 8-10% bodyfat right now and plan to get to 250 lbs by the end of the year with same bodyfat levels. I am glad we agree that I am the answer to bodybuilding.