Author Topic: Anthony Roberts research on PCT and Nolva doses (Read 3613 times)

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **on:** July 06, 2006, 05:55:56 PM »

Anthony Roberts said there is no reason to take over 20 mg per day of nolva during PCT.... he said that research shows that mega doses of nolva do nothing different than 20 mgs..... anyone have comment on this?

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

To make it easier, I posted the relevant paragraph from the link above:

Anthony Roberts
SO how much Nolvadex should you use during PCT? I favor using 20mgs.day, although to be totally honest, you can probably even get away with far less than that. Doses as low as 5mgs/day have proven to be as effective as 20mgs/day for certain areas of gonadal stimulation. (

20mgs/day, however, is a dose that myself and others have used with great success, and the research I’ve done in this area typically uses this milligram amount. SO lets stick with 20mgs/day for now.

So that effectively suggests Nolvadex can not be used at Mega-doses to get a mega-increase in your natural hormones. We can’t use huge doses of any Anti-Estrogen, actually, and expect huge increases in our natural hormones, actually. Arimidex (an Aromatase Inhibitor –which means it stops the conversion of testosterone into estrogen-another drug used to fight breast cancer like Nolvadex) exhibits basically the same effects when .5mgs or a full 1mg is used (9) and I have even read studies where up to 10mgs/day of Arimidex is studied with no clear benefit over 1mg/day. Letrozole (another Aromatase Inhibitor) is capable of inhibiting Aromatase maximally at a mere 100mcg/day (10.). So clearly we need to add in other compounds to our PCT, because Mega-Doses of one compound will not I think it’s absurdly funny to see people recommending upwards 40-80mgs/day of Nolvadex, or a full milligram (or two!) of Arimidex, in their post-cycle or on-cycle suggestions. I’d steer very clear of listening to anyone who makes those types of recommendations

Anthony Roberts

Sniffy 6-6 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2006, 05:58:05 PM »

Anthony Roberts is a pompous ass who thinks he knows what the fuck he is talking about

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2006, 07:40:38 PM »

I guess this is too much reading for some of you guys.... sorry

ZEEK · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2006, 12:23:22 AM »

the reason no one cares is couse the guy that wrote this is like the other hundred of other people that right something like this.IF you read this guys thing, youll find another saying something different.if this guy is so important in what he says there wouldnt be so many different articles from different people saying different things.

most of alot of people know about PCT they dont need someone telling them about it.

I dont know roberts? He's know one i will concern myself with.

Exal · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2006, 03:50:58 AM »

Well his whole article is backed up by scientific research, so I'd choose to listen to him over some random guy...

sportingsteroids · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2006, 04:04:45 AM »

yeah, most of guys like short posts ..

Sniffy 6-6 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2006, 05:52:13 AM »

Well, 2 things. There was only a link when I posted. 2nd, this is the same guy that advocates HCG for a suppressed thyroid.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2006, 07:35:11 AM »

Quote from: ZEEK on July 07, 2006, 12:23:22 AM

the reason no one cares is couse the guy that wrote this is like the other hundred of other people that right something like this.IF you read this guys thing, youll find another saying something different.if this guy is so important in what he says there wouldnt be so many different articles from different people saying different things.

most of alot of people know about PCT they dont need someone telling them about it.

I dont know roberts? He's know one i will concern myself with.

dude no offense but if you know anything about steroid research and clinical studies, you should know that Anthony Roberts is one of the leading researchers.... he is elite with guys like Duchaine and Llewelyn.......You may want to rethink your comments or even delete your post so the guys in here that really study steroids wont think you're a moron..

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2006, 07:38:53 AM »

Quote from: Exal on July 07, 2006, 03:50:58 AM

Well his whole article is backed up by scientific research, so I'd choose to listen to him over some random guy...

exactly..... but remember, some of these clowns never even do a PCT, therefore this is irrelevant toi them...... those said guys stick out like a sore thumb

ZEEK · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2006, 09:30:56 AM »

again there are other research's that will say something different, so this guy is no concern to me.And Im not going to sit up all night and look for articles.

most everyone knows what there doing with PCT. I dont need a article to tell me difference.No offence if you dont like what I respond with dont read it!!!!

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:19:36 PM »

Quote from: ZEEK on July 07, 2006, 09:30:56 AM

again there are other research's that will say something different, so this guy is no concern to me.And Im not going to sit up all night and look for articles.

most everyone knows what there doing with PCT. I dont need a article to tell me difference.No offence if you dont like what I respond with dont read it!!!!

I have no problem with your response Zeek, I just favor proven research over random opinions..... scientific, empirical evidence= fact ....... opinions= well, opinions

The articles I posted are scientific and are proven to be true...... random babble is senseless and in some cases, dangerous ...... but I know a sharp cat like you Zeek knows the difference..... you just like to challenge everything

udeluz · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2006, 02:26:04 PM »

This should be right up top

STICKY !!!!!!

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2006, 01:05:10 PM »

Anthony is someone that does 4 grams of anabolics a week and still doesn't weigh over 200 lbs. Does this sound like some kind of guru to you? He claims that he uses for competitve sports but what kind of sport is going to require 4 grams of shit per week? Hell, some amateurs on the national level that I know don't even use that much.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2006, 02:14:53 PM »

Quote from: LurkerNoMore on July 10, 2006, 01:05:10 PM

Anthony is someone that does 4 grams of anabolics a week and still doesn't weigh over 200 lbs. Does this sound like some kind of guru to you? He claims that he uses for competitve sports but what kind of sport is going to require 4 grams of shit per week? Hell, some amateurs on the national level that I know don't even use that much.

bro it doesnt matter if Anthony weighs 120 lbs or 300lbs..... science is science..... Einstein only weighed about 150 and you know what he is responsible for. Roberts reseacrh is emperical meaning it is scientific and has been proven. You cant argue with facts.

ZEEK · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:24:55 PM »

its only a fact by one guy.go look up other researchers and youll find different stories.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2006, 07:50:13 PM »

Quote from: ZEEK on July 10, 2006, 07:24:55 PM

its only a fact by one guy.go look up other researchers and youll find different stories.

what the hell is that supposed to mean? How many guys does it take to establish a fact? I know how many assclowns it takes to turn a steroid forum into a circus

ZEEK · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:05:50 PM »

how many Doctors does it take to get you to understand steroids?

one side says steroids Kill the other side says its safe if done correct.

theres doctors that say steroids dont cause any health problems then theres ones that say they do.

say you go to the Doctor's and he say's your a idiot and then you go for a second opinion and he says your smart as they come. lets see should we stay with the first one cause that was the first doc you went to? Come on dude.

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #17 on:** July 11, 2006, 11:11:23 AM »

Quote from: bigjohn_bluesfan on July 10, 2006, 02:14:53 PM

bro it doesnt matter if Anthony weighs 120 lbs or 300lbs..... science is science..... Einstein only weighed about 150 and you know what he is responsible for. Roberts reseacrh is emperical meaning it is scientific and has been proven. You cant argue with facts.

Einstein might have weighed only 150 (which I doubt) but then again he was not doling out advice on subjects that are used to/for increasing bodyweight and muscle mass.

Listening to someone talk about steroids and their proper use and such while weighing under 200lbs despite a shit load of hormones in their body is sort of akin to asking Tom Prince or Kamali for a proven contest diet program.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #18 on:** July 11, 2006, 11:47:55 AM »

Quote from: LurkerNoMore on July 11, 2006, 11:11:23 AM

Einstein might have weighed only 150 (which I doubt) but then again he was not doling out advice on subjects that are used to/for increasing bodyweight and muscle mass.

Listening to someone talk about steroids and their proper use and such while weighing under 200lbs despite a shit load of hormones in their body is sort of akin to asking Tom Prince or Kamali for a proven contest diet program.

your brain is somewhat akin to a catfish.... this guy did scientific experiments and proves his point with empirical evidence.... you cant question that so shut up homo

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:02:03 AM »

Quote from: ZEEK on July 10, 2006, 09:05:50 PM

how many Doctors does it take to get you to understand steroids?

one side says steroids Kill the other side says its safe if done correct.

theres doctors that say steroids dont cause any health problems then theres ones that say they do.

say you go to the Doctor's and he say's your a idiot and then you go for a second opinion and he says your smart as they come. lets see should we stay with the first one cause that was the first doc you went to? Come on dude.

you would save your self some typing if you just simply replied by stating: " I'm ignorant and science means nothing to me"

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2006, 10:29:14 AM »

Quote from: bigjohn_bluesfan on July 11, 2006, 11:47:55 AM

your brain is somewhat akin to a catfish.... this guy did scientific experiments and proves his point with empirical evidence.... you cant question that so shut up homo

if the only thing you have to back up your claims and pickle smooching adoration of him is just insults, then you aint' got shlt.

but thanks for playing. run along now back to your delusional world. macrophage has already proven time and time again that anthony lacks real world credibility of how things are actually utilized by the human body. anyone can do what anthony does and just post shit he found on pubmedline websites.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2006, 11:48:51 AM »

Quote from: LurkerNoMore on July 12, 2006, 10:29:14 AM

if the only thing you have to back up your claims and pickle smooching adoration of him is just insults, then you aint' got shlt.

but thanks for playing. run along now back to your delusional world. macrophage has already proven time and time again that anthony lacks real world credibility of how things are actually utilized by the human body. anyone can do what anthony does and just post shit he found on pubmedline websites.

bro... must we argue about this foolishness? You have a different opinion and I respect that. Thats fine. Thank you for sharing your point of view. It is important tthat we see different points of view when learning. Thanks Lurker.

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2006, 12:52:06 PM »

My opinion is simply cultivated by my experience with him direct and indirect. The guy is a complete schmoe.

He uses four grams weekly and the only sport he plays is rugby? NFL players dont use that much. And he isn't even professional. 4 grams weekly and he makes absurd claims of being a Ralph Lauren model? He had to juice for that???

He used to post as "hooker" on AR. Until the above was exposed. Even before then he was nothing more than a cut and paste guru that simply copied other work, pasted it, edited a few lines and added stupid comments and then posted it as his own. He does nothing but attack and flame people when challenged on something, which is rather often. He desperately wants to be considered an elite steroid guru expert but is rather failing at that as well.

Now he is currently tied in and working "on stuff" with another dubious mod Mr. X over on Elite. Which that in itself says more than enough. And I won't even get into his ties with Stealth labs.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2006, 01:29:40 PM »

Roberts does have a good base of knowledge concerning AAS, and other aspects of the whole process...his theories on t-3 have been very interesting and seem to be backed by a lot of good research. But like with anyone, I don't completely agree with everything this guy says, for example, in his entire new PCT protocol he calls for using Aromasin during PCT...this has been a hot topic on this board in the past. While the idea does sound good, much of the testing done with Aromasin is based on studies done on pregnant women, not educated gear users, so there lies a bunch of questions on that subject IMO. But again, Roberts is no fool and provides a lot of good info for discussion. I agree with what BigJohn said, just because this guy is not huge does not mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with Llewellyn and he himself is not a big guy by any standards, but he has proven his knowledge over and over again.

bigjohn_bluesfan · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2006, 02:49:18 PM »

Quote from: LurkerNoMore on July 12, 2006, 12:52:06 PM

My opinion is simply cultivated by my experience with him direct and indirect. The guy is a complete schmoe.

He uses four grams weekly and the only sport he plays is rugby? NFL players dont use that much. And he isn't even professional. 4 grams weekly and he makes absurd claims of being a Ralph Lauren model? He had to juice for that???

He used to post as "hooker" on AR. Until the above was exposed. Even before then he was nothing more than a cut and paste guru that simply copied other work, pasted it, edited a few lines and added stupid comments and then posted it as his own. He does nothing but attack and flame people when challenged on something, which is rather often. He desperately wants to be considered an elite steroid guru expert but is rather failing at that as well.

Now he is currently tied in and working "on stuff" with another dubious mod Mr. X over on Elite. Which that in itself says more than enough. And I won't even get into his ties with Stealth labs.

sounds like you know the guy amot better than I do.... I just try to do my reasearch and put together a good volume of knowledge based on facts.... Roberts may very well be a schmoe (I dont know) but he has proven some of his claims with scientific foundation. Those are the claims Im interested in. The claims he makes that are not proven, I agree with you, why listen to it. Im new at this and Roberts, Llewelyn, Duchaine, abd such are just some of the guys who seem to be experinced enough to take advice from. I think you have a little more experience than me when it comes to steroid research Lurker.... but Im busy as hell learning