California law to ban/exterminate Pit Bulls

[body88]

They may not have lock jaws but they have an EXTREMELY strong bite and will hold on till they are killed.

This is true. A pitbull is a respinsibilty to own. Just like a rottwieler or any other powerful dog. There is no lock but a pit has a 1800 psi bite. 1000 psi higher than any other breed. So although pits are good tempered and awesome animals. People need to understand how to own one and be responsible.

[jmt1]

THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.

 And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation  really goes after them.

part 1

part 2

[jmt1]

This is true. A pitbull is a respinsibilty to own. Just like a rottwieler or any other powerful dog. There is no lock but a pit has a 1800 psi bite. 1000 psi higher than any other breed. So although pits are good tempered and awesome animals. People need to understand how to own one and be responsible.

hey 88, i had always thought that was true about the 1500-2000 psi bite.  but it turns out to be just another pit bull myth that was taken and ran with.

here is the info on the study...

Pit Bulls have a 1800 PSI  Jaw Pressure.  Wrong again.  Working with author Karen Delise (Fatal Dog Attacks) we have researched the references used for this data and have found there is no factual research to support this claim.   This myth stems from an article published in the 1989 The Journal of Trauma "Mauling by Pit bull Terriers: A Case Report" by Bret R. Baack, M.D., John O. Kucan, M.D., Gerland Demarest, M.D and E. Clyde Smoot, M.D.   On Page 519 it states:  "Pit Bulls bite with greater force than most dogs (up to 1,800lb/in2)  (4).
 
Reference (4) cited for this fact is:  "Dog bites in children: Epidemiology, microbiology, and penicillin prophylactic Therapy but Douglas A. Boenning, M.D., Gary R. Fleisher, M.D., and Joesph M. Campos, PhD.
 
However, neither the topic of bite pressure nor pit bulls is addressed or even mentioned throughout the entire article.
 
This case report is promoted by many people as fact, yet it's not substantiated anywhere.
 
On the other hand, here is scientific evidence proving this myth is an urban legend:
 
Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic (Dangerous Encounters: Bite Force, 8pm est 8/18/2005) – Dr. Barr measured bite forces of many different creatures. Domestic dogs were included in the test.

Here are the results of all of the animals tested:

Humans: 120 pounds of bite pressure

Domestic dogs: 320 LBS of pressure on avg.  A German Shepard, American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) and Rottweiler were tested using a bite sleeve equipped with a specialized computer instrument.  The APBT had the least amount of pressure of the 3 dogs tested.

Wild dogs: 310 lbs

Lions: 600 lbs

White sharks: 600 lbs

Hyenas: 1000 lbs

Snapping turtles: 1000 lbs

Crocodiles: 2500 lbs
 

[leycus 101]

Just watch the dog whisperer and
everything will be ok 

[Diesel1]

THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.

 And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation  really goes after them.

part 1

part 2

Good links, thanks. I've just watched the first one, the bit called 'schooling' was pretty sad. The dog they were training to fight just didn't want to know and looked terrified. Quite sad knowing that these dogs only purpose in life is to tear each other to shreads.

I willing to bet that most of the dogs that don't make it into fighting get sold on to those street fools at the begining of the film, who say that they make 'good weapons'

[Diesel1]

After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.

[The Showstoppa]

After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.

Didn't watch the vid, but are you saying pits from the vid who were former fighters, etc... of just pits in general don't make good family dogs?

[jmt1]

After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.

what in the world does that video have to do with pits not making good family pets???

you made it clear from your posts in this thread that you dont like pits...thats cool... theres nothing wrong with that...their not for everyone.

but can you tell me why u keep comin with the negative comments?   

i think its been pretty well documented in here that pits are a very people loving, excellent temperment breed that  do make great family pets.

since you say anyone who thinks they make good family pets is not thinking straight does that mean you are in favor of banning the dog?

[body88]

After watching the second half one can only say taht anyone thinking these dogs make great family pets can't be thinking straight.

You are right they are not great family pets. They are the PERFECT family pet. Nothing in this world is more loyal. Those dogs are not a normal pitbull not exposed to the horror.

Just to reiderate. St Bernards are often considered great family pets. At 200 lbs and very aggresive they can kill humans with ease. People dont jump all over them since they are cute a fluffy.

I can tell you from expierence my pit was very gentle with all small children. Happy playful and loyal.

[ARMZ]

I'd love to get my hands on those monkey lookin' dog killers..  That right there pisses me off.. Cant these ghetto chumps ever get a real job..

[Dos Equis]

THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.

 And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation  really goes after them.

part 1

part 2

Sad.  They need to get people involved with this stuff off the streets. 

[body88]

I swear to god im going to go fuck up some pitbull abusers tonight!!!!

[jmt1]

what does everyone think of these proposals...


I propose all persons purchasing a pit bull or pit bull mix must provide a photo id regardless of the source of the sale. The seller should be required to copy that information and file it in the proposed Bully Breed Adoption Registry kept at animal control, not to protect the public or invade privacy but to protect the animal from underground dog fighting rings. In the even that there are several dogs being fought and an owner does not step forward, the local animal control will be able to cross reference names and pets. Pitt Bulls should not be given as free to good home pets in the classifieds but rather turned into animal control who will ensure that these puppies are given a good home

I propose that there be a reward offered for information leading to the prevention or end of a dog fight. I am willing to donate $1000.00 towards that fund. That will generate more public cooperation in ending dog fighting rings.

 I also propose that when a dog fight is stopped, no matter if it’s before the fight during or after, that a $1000.00 fine per dog on the premises is imposed on the bystanders regardless of involvement. This will lead to more public cooperating in ending this brutal blood sport. Also if it is found that there is an owner or someone in charge of the event, usually the person holding the proceeds or bets, get a mandatory seven year prison sentence and while serving that time receive mandatory counseling and paying restitution that will fund the emergency vet clinics and the Dog Fight Prevention reward fund.

 I also propose that in fairness to the breed if there is a bite incident, that 2 veterinarians certify the breed. There are many APBT look alike, but only one APBT. This will help control the media frenzy and encourage many families to consider adopting these dogs which will also help heal this breed’s image and put them where they belong, with a loving family.

[The Showstoppa]

jmt1, sounds good to me. 

It's funny to me how the people who are so anti-pit have never actually owned one, or I would venture to say, ever even been in contact with one on a regular basis.  They are just brainwashed by the media.  Stupid fucks.

[body88]

JMT good ideas.... Stoppa that is very true. 99 percent of the people bashing pits have never owned, interacted or Been in contact with one.

[jmt1]

JMT good ideas.... Stoppa that is very true. 99 percent of the people bashing pits have never owned, interacted or Been in contact with one.

those arent my proposals by the way...they are part of a petition i saw online...i'll post the link in case anyone wants to sign it.

it think they are steps in the right direction...would be a good idea about having all sellers and buyers register there dogs in a special registry but i'm not sure how well that could be enforced.

the dog fighting penalties are still a bit leanient for me....i would go with a 1st degree murder charge and life for the convicted dog fighters and accessory to for all those watching ....but hey i'm kind of a nut on this issue.

[body88]

those arent my proposals by the way...they are part of a petition i saw online...i'll post the link in case anyone wants to sign it.

it think they are steps in the right direction...would be a good idea about having all sellers and buyers register there dogs in a special registry but i'm not sure how well that could be enforced.

the dog fighting penalties are still a bit lenient for me....i would go with a 1st degree murder charge and life for the convicted dog fighters and accessory to for all those watching ....but hey I'm kind of a nut on this issue.

Not really Dog fighting is not only cruel. It also comes with drugs, prostitution, guns and a slew of other crimes. I would be all for tough sentences for dog fighters. There is no reason for it.

[jmt1]

yep, there usually involved in other shit too...



St. Lucie County Sheriff Mascara announces arrest of two in Port St. Lucie for drug dealing and torturing dogs to train them for fighting.

St. Lucie County Sheriff's drug investigators making a drug arrest at a home in Port St. Lucie also found six pit bull terrier dogs that had been used for dog fighting, said Sheriff Ken J. Mascara. 

One of the dogs had been used for "dog baiting" and mauled by other dogs, the Sheriff said. "The most seriously injured dog had most of its face chewed off," the Sheriff said.  "This was a sickening display of animal cruelty at its most sadistic and inhuman."  The other five dogs were emaciated and had wounds from dog fighting.

Deputies placed all six dogs in the care of the Humane Society of Fort Pierce where veterinary specialists are treating them, the Sheriff said. Humane Society officials said the most seriously injured dog was not in pain from the facial injuries, but that the severity of the injuries would require euthanization of the animal.  "We have had a continuing investigation under way into organized dog-fighting rings operated by drug dealers traveling all over the state," the Sheriff said. "We will continue this investigation in hopes of finding those responsible for these reprehensible and disgusting acts of cruelty." 

Arrested on charges of marijuana possession with intent to sell, animal cruelty and animal fighting or baiting were: Margaret C. Hester, 45, and Robert James Hester, 43, both of 2262 S.E. Shipping Road, Port St. Lucie. Both also were arrested on drug charges.
 
Margaret Hester was at the home when detectives served a search warrant. Robert Hester drove up to the home after investigators had arrived. He had several grams of cocaine in his pocket worth an estimated $500. Deputies arrested him on additional charges of possession of cocaine and drug paraphernalia.  Marijuana found at the home is worth an estimated $1,500.  Attached are booking photos of the two defendants and photos of the animal cruelty.

Margaret Hester posted $23,000 bond this morning and was released from the St. Lucie County jail pending future court proceedings. As of late Friday morning, Robert Hester remained confined at the St. Lucie County jail under $28,500 bond.

[jmt1]

i would love to track this mother fucker down, torture him and watch him die a slow painful death.



On August 21, 2002, 17-year old Russell Watson, brutally beat a 1-year old pitbull, Rahkim, with a baseball bat. The beating was recorded by a security camera in a Laundromat in which the puppy went into seeking refuge from Watson. The video shows the pup entering the site limping and bloodied from Watson attacking him and hiding behind a row of washing machines. Watson can then be seen walking in dangling a baseball bat. The next thing the tape shows is sickening. Watson finds the pup, lines up the bat, and delivers several crushing blows to Rahkims head and rendering him unconscious. Watson then drags Rahkim out of the Laundromat by his legs and abandons him a block away, leaving Rahkim to die.
Rahkim sustained severe injuries and on August 22, 2002, Rahkims owners/family had him euthanized. The puppy belonged to 10-year old Alexis Broadway who lives only a few blocks of the laundry at 36th and Spring Garden Streets from where the attack took place.

 

This is around where Russell Watson lives at: 36th And Spring Garden Streets, Philadelphia, PA 19149

[body88]

Stoppa arent you from PA? Please go fuck this guy up.

[jmt1]

THIS IS A BIG REASON WHY PIT BULLS HAVE A BAD IMAGE.

 And these guys dont care and will continue doing this until legislation  really goes after them.

part 1

part 2

i cant even watch certain parts...these people are fuckin sick.

[Al-Gebra]

also northern ireland is only country in uk which u can legally own a wolf. huskies are poppoing up 2. saw a wolf oyther day in town. was huge. paw was the size of a dinner plate. back was o thick and muscly. it was also aboyut 3.5 foot high people just stopped and stared in amazement. maybe was a wolf or huskie bread with summat else. was so huge and thick. dirty brown hair. the biggest and thickest looking dog i ever seen. an old irish wolfhound i had was taller tho not as big. this thing was scary lol tho just sat in street whilst owner just ran into shop. very cool

my state allows people to own wolf hybrids. can't have a purebred wolf, but you can have an animal that is about 90-95% wolf. the things are fucking monstrously huge.  the ones i've met are friendly enough, but you can tell they're not dogs.  when you pat them, they just stand there with a distant look in their eyes.  no tail-wagging, man's-best-friend shit.

if one of those things decided to fuck someone up . . . the shit would really hit the fan. 

[The Showstoppa]

Stoppa arent you from PA? Please go f**k this guy up.

Nah, I'm from NC.  If I was in Philly, it would be damn tempting to show up at that piece of shit's house and drag him outside.  Cruelty to animals sends me over the edge in about .1 seconds.

[body88]

my state allows people to own wolf hybrids. can't have a purebred wolf, but you can have an animal that is about 90-95% wolf. the things are fucking monstrously huge.  the ones i've met are friendly enough, but you can tell they're not dogs.  when you pat them, they just stand there with a distant look in their eyes.  no tail-wagging, man's-best-friend shit.

if one of those things decided to f**k someone up . . . the shit would really hit the fan. 

I have done some reading on those. They are supposed to be the most unstable of the bunch. I mean can you blame the things when they have attacked little kids and such? They are basically all wolf.Instincts tell them to hunt prey. Not ment to be pets. The damage those things do goes beyond harm it could cause to a human. Theygive the entire wolf looking dog population a bad name. Actually I should say the people who breed these things. A wolf is NOT a pet. That is a wild animal. People are so stupid.

All those hybrids get is a death sentance, No pack will accept them and no human can safley own them. Unless they cage them up all the time.

[jmt1]

what you will not hear about in the media are the stories of what a great dog the apbt really is.   one of the things they have excelled at is being used as Animal-Assisted-Therapy dogs.   they work with the elderly, deeply troubled or abused children, physically traumatized hospital patients, and even those who are terminally ill. the pits outstanding temperment and the overwhelming love and affection they have for people make them the ideal dog for this type of work.