NOC takes another hit - Vinny Galanti is out

[240 is Back]

Your counter points :

and the two smaller "stores" that were supposed to open, never did...
Failed local businesses in the past have zero bearing on WMT's competition with a new firm.  I know of a horse buggy firm that failed in 1880.  Ford doesn't use this data when making strategic decisions.

...but when the "competition" puts out a inferior product...
Customers have different preferences, and in every field, there is one company with a superior product, and many with inferior products.  Are you saying that since McD is #1, all other restaurants have no reason to exist? People like choices.

and no one knows whether the store is ever going to open or  not...
No one knows if a meteor is going to hit Earth tomorrow.  There is minimal certainty in the free market as in life, and you make money by taking risks based upon this lack of certainty.  

and the "employees" were simply given a job without being qualified in the first place...
Right. Please explain how Target's hiring policy affects Wal-Mart.  They are more lenient?  Halieijua!  This is a good thing if you are a bodybuilder or fan. means we don't have to see the same batch of 35-year old mediocre clones that turn pro every year.

and the health care benefits for the workers have been shown to be a fraud...
And you have the IFBB health care plan, which for some reason, no one wants to buy.  Again, let the employees choose which company to work for, based upon things like location benefits, pay, and work environment.  Why should you decide for them?

and no information on the "investors" that were supposed to be backing this venture, can be verified...
Please show me an audit of the books of the IFBB, a public non-profit group, before questioning the inner workings of a privately held firm like the PDI.  


Okay.  Your turn.

[Chick]

LOL yes, we know, you're quick to claim credit.  It just seems so strange they chose NOW to give everyone $4k money just to show up.  "King, Lee, Vince, guys, you don't even have to diet - just qualify, show up in sweats, and pick up your $4k check for skipping the O."

Bob, the bottom line is that you are part of the IFBB machine.  You are working very hard to ensure it remains a monopoly.  You're using your position as athletes rep to actually limit their money-making abilities outside of the IFBB. 

Astounding.  When is the next election, Bob?  Or did you get in office and eliminate that little detail?

I only claim credit for what I do...and I think it's been pretty damn good so far.

You're talking stupid again....why would a guy spend 5-7K of his own money, to simply "show up " out of shape to collect $4K, and look like shit at the biggest BB show in the world??? Amazing...you and Wayne have the exact same mentality...no wonder this guy is your idol.

Do a little history homework...It was Wayne and I that had this same argument at the 2002 Press conference.

The athletes can vote me out anytime, if they think thats in their best interest.  anyone can run against me next election...all the power to them.

[Van_Bilderass]

Didn't Lee have a leg injury he is nursing right now? I thought he mentioned it recently. I bet he will drop out too for one reason or another.

PDI is looking to become quite an embarassment. Maybe Rhino will win. LOL

[honest]

Target and Wallmart employees earn more money than 90% of pros, and dont have to stick half their paychecks in their ass to keep their jobs, Pro bodybuilding is a joke.

[Chick]

Your counter points :

and the two smaller "stores" that were supposed to open, never did...
Failed local businesses in the past have zero bearing on WMT's competition with a new firm.  I know of a horse buggy firm that failed in 1880.  Ford doesn't use this data when making strategic decisions.


A. Bullshit...It shows a trend, and a look at things to come.

...but when the "competition" puts out a inferior product...
Customers have different preferences, and in every field, there is one company with a superior product, and many with inferior products.  Are you saying that since McD is #1, all other restaurants have no reason to exist? People like choices.

A. Yes, they like choices of a QUALITY product....restaurants serving crappy food, close quickly.

and no one knows whether the store is ever going to open or  not...
No one knows if a meteor is going to hit Earth tomorrow.  There is minimal certainty in the free market as in life, and you make money by taking risks based upon this lack of certainty. 


A. So far, a meteor hitting the earth may be more likely.

and the "employees" were simply given a job without being qualified in the first place...
Right. Please explain how Target's hiring policy affects Wal-Mart.  They are more lenient?  Halieijua!  This is a good thing if you are a bodybuilder or fan. means we don't have to see the same batch of 35-year old mediocre clones that turn pro every year.


A. People will "shop" at a place where employees know what they're doing...simple. It's like any job that requires a degree...it shows a level of achievment for a position.

and the health care benefits for the workers have been shown to be a fraud...
And you have the IFBB health care plan, which for some reason, no one wants to buy.  Again, let the employees choose which company to work for, based upon things like location benefits, pay, and work environment.  Why should you decide for them?


A. Once again...talking out of your ass...there have been plenty of pro's that have switched to this plan...at a fraction of what they were paying. The "employee's" are choosing, based on everything you mentioned...is there really a decision to be made here?? One company exsists..the other is a premise.

and no information on the "investors" that were supposed to be backing this venture, can be verified...
Please show me an audit of the books of the IFBB, a public non-profit group, before questioning the inner workings of a privately held firm like the PDI.

A. I'm talking about the companies supporting the cause...WHERE ARE THEY? Where's the money coming from? Last I checked...The "Walmart" company had many investors contributing...So far the Target company has ZERO. 


Okay.  Your turn.

[240 is Back]

A. Bullshit...It shows a trend, and a look at things to come.
Bbing fans were spoonfed info from FLEX back then.  Of course the WBF failed.  With the Internet, however, information flows freely and fans know the truth about shady IFBB judging, shitty paydays, and politics.

A. Yes, they like choices of a QUALITY product....restaurants serving crappy food, close quickly.
And you, the Rep of the Chefs Union, can decide without tasting the food, that all 200 of the men you represent should not work there?  If it's that bad, perhaps 10 of your worst chefs can find work there!  More money for your guys, boss!

A. So far, a meteor hitting the earth may be more likely.
Monster one-liner revealing your brutally limited understanding of basic concepts I presented.

A. People will "shop" at a place where employees know what they're doing...simple. It's like any job that requires a degree...it shows a level of achievment for a position.
People shop at Walmart for prices and Target for service.  They eat at McD for price and Red Lobster for a good menu.  Why should you determine the fate of 200 men, instead of letting the market decide?  Google "laissez faire".

A. Once again...talking out of your ass...there have been plenty of pro's that have switched to this plan...at a fraction of what they were paying.
Since many IFBB pros earn $0 each year, unless your plan is free, it's not perfect.  Until it is perfect, stop crapping on other companies for trying to develop their own plan.

A. I'm talking about the companies supporting the cause...WHERE ARE THEY? Where's the money coming from? Last I checked...The "Walmart" company had many investors contributing...So far the Target company has ZERO.
Zero that you have been told about, Bob.  So what if Wayne funds the whole kit&kaboodle.  It's a private firm - and a startup at that.  Many business owners will put their own money into a firm to grow it, in the early years. 

[The True Adonis]

The IFBB will end soon too.

Target and Wallmart employees earn more money than 90% of pros, and dont have to stick half their paychecks in their ass to keep their jobs, Pro bodybuilding is a joke.

That is true "Massive G", very true.

[The True Adonis]

I only claim credit for what I do...and I think it's been pretty damn good so far.

You're talking stupid again....why would a guy spend 5-7K of his own money, to simply "show up " out of shape to collect $4K, and look like shit at the biggest BB show in the world??? Amazing...you and Wayne have the exact same mentality...no wonder this guy is your idol.

Do a little history homework...It was Wayne and I that had this same argument at the 2002 Press conference.

The athletes can vote me out anytime, if they think thats in their best interest.  anyone can run against me next election...all the power to them.

Why would a guy need to spend 5-7 thousand dollars on drugs anyways?

That is stupid to begin with.....The whole fucking she-bang is stupid.  When will you people realize that there is little interest in revenue because of everything negative associated with "the sport". 

People really don`t care because they cannot relate, nor do they want to.  The smart ones know that it is all drugs and do not want a part in it. 

[240 is Back]

You're talking stupid again....

Once again...talking out of your ass

Also, i noticed the disrespectful tone you take when debating a topic.

Men who respect themselves will show respect to their adversaries.  Men who respect their position will display professionalism when speaking from this pulpit.  The way you speak down to someone who presents an argument (or a challenge) is an indicator of your own insecurities and possible lack of self-worth.  Look it up... I'm not making this stuff up.  Very likely you feel insecure/threatened and you feel the need to add belittling insults to an otherwise respectful discussion.

[onlyme]

What happened to Target?

And to brag about the competitors getting $4,000 is absolutely one of the funniest things ever.  Why Chic do you take credit for this.  Lets say you were 100% the reason this happened.  It is NOT something to brag about.  Why do you or if anyone else think this is allot of money or even anything.  It is almost an embarrasement to get paid this amount.  Getting nothing is almost as good.  Instead of getting these guys pennies go after dollars.  You know how much the IFBB gets for the Olympia.  WhY do they have to get that much money for a sanction fee.  Set it at what Lorimar pays.  There is no reason why the IFBB needs that kind of outrageous amount for a sanction fee.  That will free up over $200,000 more dollars to distribute to the competitors.  Do that and impress everyone.  I guarantee you do that you will have more than 3 people at the meetings you call.  Why does the IFBB put on a cheaper show yet only increase the prize money $40,000.  The save way more than that doing the show at the Orleans.  Wayne had the Mandalay Bay paid up through 2004.  He paid the deposit and even left the staging and lighting there for the AMI to use. Yet the chose not to use his lighting and staging but used Wayne's deposit he had on th Mandalay Bay.  They chose to spend money on additonal staging and lighting.  Why did they wast the money on that show.  They wanted to completely get away from anything Wayne did yet the used his deposit.  He left it there for them just like the other stuff but instead of paying the deposit themselves they used his.  Just interesting stuff the IFBB does to save money and waste money at the same time.

So here is your mission if you chose to accept it.  Tell the IFBB to lower the sanction fees for the Olympia and use that extra money to increased the prize money.  Make the lower standings get a minimum of $10,000 with a stipulation they need to look good or whatever.  And increase the top 10.  You'llhave all kinds of guy on your side and maybe they will show up to your meetings.

[Chick]

....or maybe I just think you're a putz.

Thank you Dr. Freud

[240 is Back]

....or maybe I just think you're a putz.

Thank you Dr. Freud

A putz who has just delivered a very valid argument for how free market competition benefits the workers and customers? 

A putz who has shown you to be biased and unstable, in front of your peers?

A putz who cares more about the bottom 100 IFBB athletes than you do?

Yes, a putz.

[Chick]

I'm all for lowered sanction fee's...

and $4,000 is $4,000 more than what Wayne was willing to give which was $0.

[Chick]

A putz who has just delivered a very valid argument for how free market competition benefits the workers and customers? 

A putz who has shown you to be biased and unstable, in front of your peers?

A putz who cares more about the bottom 100 IFBB athletes than you do?

Yes, a putz.

You showed no valid argument...and ignored the facts as they are.

For someone who is alledgedly "biased and unstable" I seem to get quite a lot accomplished for the athletes.

I put money in athlete's pockets...bottom line.

Yes, a putz.

[240 is Back]

I put money in athlete's pockets...bottom line.

You spent the last 3 months bashing a show which would have put $30K in prize money into IFBB guys' pockets.

Bottom line is, you're all for them making money in the IFBB, under the IFBB's thumb, playing by the IFBB's rules.  If they want to earn money on a non-ifbb show weekend, you block their efforts.  THAT is the bottom line. 

[Shawn Ray]

Chick, your fighting with the Peanut gallery again.
Nice job on helping the Pro's get $$ in their pockects that only a year ago was not there.
Progress maybe slow but the work your doing does not go unnoticed by the pockets that $$ falls into.
As for the board, well, you and I both know...You gotta love it here!
Keep up the good work, the Athletes truly recognize the strides being made by your efforts and those of the IFBB listening and working in concert with the idea's placed before them.
Peace,
S

[dzulboy]

If Target put out a quality product at competitive pricing, you might have a point...

...but when the "competition" puts out a inferior product...
 and no one knows whether the store is ever going to open or  not...
 and the two smaller "stores" that were supposed to open, never did...
 and the "employees" were simply given a job without being qualified in the first place...
 and no information on the "investors" that were supposed to be backing this venture, can be verified...
 and the health care benefits for the workers have been shown to be a fraud...


I can't see where this analogy makes any sense.



BTW, no one except for the people in charge of "Target", have anyone to blame for their decisions.

it would make perfect sense if you ever went to college  and took an economics class or were you too busy takring 17 years to get your pro card

maybe your just jealous the PDI wasn;t around when you were competeing back then

just my two cents

ps my typeing sucks caus ei made my girlfriend type my papers in college  i worked two jobs and competed while in college

[The True Adonis]

Chick, your fighting with the Peanut gallery again.
Nice job on helping the Pro's get $$ in their pockects that only a year ago was not there.
Progress maybe slow but the work your doing does not go unnoticed by the pockets that $$ falls into.
As for the board, well, you and I both know...You gotta love it here!
Keep up the good work, the Athletes truly recognize the strides being made by your efforts and those of the IFBB listening and working in concert with the idea's placed before them.
Peace,
S

I just don`t think you people get it yet.  Do you really like bodybuilding to be an underground sport?  Or do you want it to ever make money?

Its getting worse and worse in case you haven`t noticed.  

[Chick]

You spent the last 3 months bashing a show which would have put $30K in prize money into IFBB guys' pockets.

Bottom line is, you're all for them making money in the IFBB, under the IFBB's thumb, playing by the IFBB's rules.  If they want to earn money on a non-ifbb show weekend, you block their efforts.  THAT is the bottom line. 

Once again, you like to speak like you have some knowledge of what actually goes on....YOU DON'T.

I've blocked no one's efforts to compete wherever they wish...that's a fact.

I haven't bashed the PDI once...I've only presented the facts. Or should I sugarcoat everything like you do? The athletes have a right to know whats going on...good or bad.

[dzulboy]

I just don`t think you people get it yet.  Do you really like bodybuilding to be an underground sport?  Or do you want it to ever make money?

Its getting worse and worse in case you haven`t noticed.  

totally agree    but it's cause  the only place there is money is at the top and if youdont; have the knowledge or gentics  the only way to win is to take mor eshit in most of these pro's eyes unfortunatley  

thus makeing them a freak show   look at heiko  do you think anyone even wants to look at him he looks liek a horrible plastic surgery gone wrong....honeslt everyone should wanna look like mike o'hearn  maybe slightly thinker

i deal physiques are  and were  hawn ray  levrone cormier still is dex charles clairmonte phil heath

non ideal are  ruhl kamali ronnie jay to some extent....this list is far too long and the othe rfar too short

[sgt. d]

totally agree    but it's cause  the only place there is money is at the top and if youdont; have the knowledge or gentics  the only way to win is to take mor eshit in most of these pro's eyes unfortunatley  

thus makeing them a freak show   look at heiko  do you think anyone even wants to look at him he looks liek a horrible plastic surgery gone wrong....honeslt everyone should wanna look like mike o'hearn  maybe slightly thinker

i deal physiques are  and were  hawn ray  levrone cormier still is dex charles clairmonte phil heath

non ideal are  ruhl kamali ronnie jay to some extent....this list is far too long and the othe rfar too short

i still dont understand why you dont use spell check

[dzulboy]

to lazy    and i enjoy makeing people bitch at me

[240 is Back]

Once again, you like to speak like you have some knowledge of what actually goes on....YOU DON'T.

I've blocked no one's efforts to compete wherever they wish...that's a fact.

I haven't bashed the PDI once...I've only presented the facts. Or should I sugarcoat everything like you do? The athletes have a right to know whats going on...good or bad.

I guess I just can't see why you continually dispute the relevance of these economic principles which apply in every other business model in America.  

I make a point that competition between firms is good for athletes.  You attack the new competitor.  An athletes rep in ANY other sport would be thrilled to have a competing org. appear out of nowhere.  A bargaining chip falling out of the sky!

I guess I just see this as an opportunity that you can't shoot in the foot fast enough, and I don't get it.  

[The True Adonis]

totally agree    but it's cause  the only place there is money is at the top and if youdont; have the knowledge or gentics  the only way to win is to take mor eshit in most of these pro's eyes unfortunatley  

thus makeing them a freak show   look at heiko  do you think anyone even wants to look at him he looks liek a horrible plastic surgery gone wrong....honeslt everyone should wanna look like mike o'hearn  maybe slightly thinker

i deal physiques are  and were  hawn ray  levrone cormier still is dex charles clairmonte phil heath

non ideal are  ruhl kamali ronnie jay to some extent....this list is far too long and the othe rfar too short

The root of the problem is the drugs and everything associated around it.  The majority of people who follow bodybuilding DO NOT use drugs.  The majority of people who work out at gyms DO NOT use drugs.  The majority of people who buy any products that bodybuilders endorse DO NOT use drugs.  With the drugs also comes the gay for pay(how some bodybuilders pay for their drugs),finding a way to illegally use drugs in mass quantities, only doing shows if they have enough money for drugs.  Then you have the sub-sub-culture that follows with the recreational drugs,the grey area in which bodybuilders use other drugs such as nubain pretending it is helping with pain...etc....

Its a big fucking mess.

How can anyone want to aspire to live that kind of life? They can`t,don`t and won`t.  Other sports are popular because people can relate and have more of a connection to.  There is a possibility of anyone becoming successful based on their own hard word.  In this fucked up sport, you don`t have any chance at reaching the top unless you accept drugs.  Most people DO NOT want that.

You are all bad for the sport actually.

[legbreaker]

Ya gotta give credit where it's due...and here Bob deserves it.  It's too bad about the number of competitors that actually showed up and supported the meetings Bob has had, but regardless of their support this guy still worked hard and got ALL competitors a pay check.  Sure everyone would like to see it be more, but it is what it is...appreciate it for now and hopefully for them the future will be even brighter.

Getting back to Vinny.  After his little accident he did say he'll be fine and ready to go for the show.  If something unexpected came up then that's too bad, but if he just decides to back out or compete at another show after agreeing to do the NOC  that's messed up.