1972 NEVER BEFORE SEEN MR. OLYMPIA COMPARISON PICS!!!

[pumpster]

ever watch pumping iron? see how he toyed with Big Lou? Serge Nubret?

You're completely utterly biased. It never occurred to you apparently that this was a docu-drama, not a serious documentary. A serious film would've also shown footage of Oliva and more footage on other greats that were glossed over or ignored, in order to present more balanced perspectives of BB outside of Venice Beach. Instead it was a Schwarzenegger star-vehicle, which made sense to sell tickets and widen it's appeal. Not a bad idea but it sacrificed accuracy in not showing other legit BBs and making Schwarzenegger appear to be the center of the universe as per Weider's desire.

BTW he did NOT toy with Nubret! You are ridiculous and really come across like a groupie with that misinterpretation. Toying with someone like Ferrigno could've been easily done by anyone-big deal.

I don't know of you're mistaken what Arnold said from his first encounter with Sergio in 1969 at the Mr Olympia with 72 ?

Arnold was taken aback by Oliva twice, once in '69 and again in'72 when Oliva had improved yet again.

[alexxx]

Arnold was taken aback by Oliva twice, once in '69 and again in'72 when Oliva had improved yet again.

Yes but that comment was for the 69 show!

[pumpster]

Yes but that comment was for the 69 show!

That's not my quote-I didn't bring up '69!

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're completely utterly biased. It never occurred to you apparently that this was a docu-drama, not a serious documentary. A serious film would've also shown footage of Oliva and more footage on other greats that were glossed over or ignored, in order to present more balanced perspectives of BB outside of Venice Beach. Instead it was a Schwarzenegger star-vehicle, which made sense to sell tickets and widen it's appeal. Not a bad idea but it sacrificed accuracy in not showing other legit BBs and making Schwarzenegger appear to be the center of the universe as per Weider's desire.

BTW he did NOT toy with Nubret! You are ridiculous and really come across like a groupie with that misinterpretation. Toying with someone like Ferrigno could've been easily done by anyone-big deal.


Arnold was taken aback by Oliva twice, once in '69 and again in'72 when Oliva had improved yet again.

I'm not biased If I were I wouldn't even have entertained the posibilty of him losing in 72 and I did say that im some pictures Sergio looks like the clear cut winner and in others Arnold does , should Sergio have won? I don't know I wasn't there but based on the few pics we have its to hard to tell . it would have been a good thing if Sergio won it would have brought out the best in both men .

And why would they include footage of Sergio in pumping iron? he was no longer competing in the I.F.B.B. it was centered around Arnold because he was the best and obviously everyone was trying to beat him , it was centered around the Mr Olympia contest which is the greatest a bodybuilder could win , what were they going to do follow the Mr Olympus contest?  do witness Sergio's domination of one competitor Ralph Kroger. get serious , Sergio felf like the IFBB shafted him so he left .

And watch pumping iron again and watch how Arnold was toying with Serge in the pump-up room .

[pumpster]

He wasn't toying with Nubret-he was trying to, there's a difference. Serge was too smart for that.

PI should've covered BB outside of Venice IF it didn't have a Weider bias. Ferrigno training in NY was staged, he was asked to go to NY as a cinematic device.

[NarcissisticDeity]

And pumpster the ' nuetral ' contest you were talking about was the 1973 Mr International contest in which Sergio was competing at and challenged Arnold to come up on stage and see who the best bodybuilder was .

Sergio was already in contest shape and Arnold was not he was still preparing for the Mr Olympia which was a month away . Arnold wanted to hop onstage and Weider told him no . he told Sergio if he wanted to find out who the worlds best built man was to compete at the Mr Olympia in a month and then he'll have his chance at Arnold , Sergio refused he wanted the contest held right there and then when the circumstances were in his favor seeing he was in contest shape and Arnold was a month out and to boot Sergio himself said he was just 216lbs if he met Arnold at the 73 Olympia weighing that lol he would get murdered . anyway that was a moot point because after they learned Sergio competed at a WGGB in 1972 he was suspended because its against the IFBB rules to compete in rival competitions .

Either way Sergio would have not wanted any part of Arnold post 72 because Arnold by that point improved by leaps & bounds .

[NarcissisticDeity]

He wasn't toying with Nubret-he was trying to, there's a difference. Serge was too smart for that.

PI should've covered BB outside of Venice IF it didn't have a Weider bias. Ferrigno training in NY was staged, he was asked to go to NY as a cinematic device.

Okay he was trying to toy with Serge but he accomplsihed it with Sergio when he's walking off stage and Arnold looking at the judges & auidence saying " I guess he quits " 

And FYI the Mr Olympia is the greatest contest why would they cover anything else? it was centered around the greatest bodybuilder ( Arnold ) in the greatest contest ( Mr Olympia ) lets cover the WGGB Mr Olympus lol with Sergio completly dominating ONE competitor  and they covered the east coast scene Lou on Brooklyn and Katz in Conn, but again the Mecca of bodybuilding as always been Venice why go anywhere else? use your head .

[shootfighter1]

Sergio and Arnold each looked better in certain shots above.  Tough one to call.  In some of the pics arnold looks sharper/more separation but I wonder if thats the old pictures.  Sergio had huge arms but never the separations and shape arnold did.  Sergio's V-taper, however, was incredible.  No one touched arnold the following 3 yrs.

[gracie bjj]

thanks everyone,i cant get enough of all those old shots of them guys,awesome stuff

[crc69]

You're right. I've never seen those pics before. Thanks, Alexxx.

You're just born ?

[pumpster]

Arnold was a month out and to boot Sergio himself said he was just 216lbs if he met Arnold at the 73 Olympia weighing that lol he would get murdered . anyway that was a moot point because after they learned Sergio competed at a WGGB in 1972 he was suspended because its against the IFBB rules to compete in rival competitions

I think he just doesn't realize how biased he sounds with these clumsy, failed attempts at lucidity. Merely reiterating a biased position hardly makes it fact and isn't convincing, which he fails to comprehend.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think he just doesn't realize how biased he sounds with these clumsy, failed attempts at lucidity. Merely reiterating a biased position hardly makes it fact and isn't convincing, which he fails to comprehend.

No this is where you're wrong sport , these are whats called facts it was a fact the Olympia was a month away , its also a fact that Sergio was contest ready seeing he was competing that night , its also a fact that he challenged Arnold because he knew he wasn't 100% its also a fact that Sergio competed at a WGGB event and was suspended . more facts Sergio was on a losing streak in the I.F.B.B. he lost 3 times to Arnold . now whats not a fact is your speculation that Joe Weider was hand picking Arnold to beat Sergio , but lets entertain your fantasy that this was the case for arguments sake , how would Joe Weider have any control over Bill Pearl outright beating Sergio at the 1971 Mr Universe which is a N.A.B.B.A. contest? which you might consider a ' neutral ' contest. So now your hero was beaten by Arnold 3 times and Pearl 1 he was on a losing streak and best believed if he entered in 73/74/75 it would have continued for him.

[sculpture]

No this is where you're wrong sport , these are whats called facts it was a fact the Olympia was a month away , its also a fact that Sergio was contest ready seeing he was competing that night , its also a fact that he challenged Arnold because he knew he wasn't 100% its also a fact that Sergio competed at a WGGB event and was suspended . more facts Sergio was on a losing streak in the I.F.B.B. he lost 3 times to Arnold . now whats not a fact is your speculation that Joe Weider was hand picking Arnold to beat Sergio , but lets entertain your fantasy that this was the case for arguments sake , how would Joe Weider have any control over Bill Pearl outright beating Sergio at the 1971 Mr Universe which is a N.A.B.B.A. contest? which you might consider a ' neutral ' contest. So now your hero was beaten by Arnold 3 times and Pearl 1 he was on a losing streak and best believed if he entered in 73/74/75 it would have continued for him.

This all sounds very familiar.

Clearly theres not an anti establishment bone in your body ND and you just swallow anything and take it for gospel.

[pumpster]

these are whats called facts it was a fact the Olympia was a month away , its also a fact that Sergio was contest ready seeing he was competing that night , its also a fact that he challenged Arnold because he knew he wasn't 100% its also a fact that Sergio competed at a WGGB event and was suspended . more facts Sergio was on a losing streak in the I.F.B.B. he lost 3 times to Arnold . now whats not a fact is your speculation

As an unquestioning shill for the IFBB & Weider, you relinquished credibility or objectivity a long time ago, regardless of any long-winded denials you'll inevitably generate.

Is this Ben Weider-I'm starting to believe ND is BW by the comments.

[Slick Vic]

You guys got it wrong! Arnold was refering to the 1969 contest. His first mr. Olympia and only loss to Sergio. But he did admit many times that Sergio was the better bodybuilder.

Exactly! Alexxx, got it right there. That was a classic reprint story of the 1969 Mr. Olympia as told by Rick Wayne in the August 1991 issue of Muscle & Fitness.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This all sounds very familiar.

Clearly theres not an anti establishment bone in your body ND and you just swallow anything and take it for gospel.

Oh please why is it there are NO politics involved when Sergio is winning but when he loses its protocol and politics . either all contests are fixed or none . I personally think Cutler beat Coleman in 2001 and Levrone in 2002 but you don't hear me crying " The fix is in " I don't believe contests are fixed sorry.

[pumpster]

Quote from: alexxx on Today at 11:17:00 AM
You guys got it wrong! Arnold was refering to the 1969 contest. His first mr. Olympia and only loss to Sergio. But he did admit many times that Sergio was the better bodybuilder.

Exactly! Alexxx, got it right there. That was a classic reprint story of the 1969 Mr. Olympia as told by Rick Wayne in the August 1991 issue of Muscle & Fitness.

You guys just keep getting it wrong, and not just a little..he talked about the same thing on two different occasions, in '69 AND in '72. Get your facts straight so you don't continue down Ben Weider's ND's path..

[Slick Vic]

You're just born ?

Yeah.... yesterday! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

As an unquestioning shill for the IFBB & Weider, you have absolutely no credibility or objectivity.

Oh please you cling to conspricy theories & hero worship for your conclusions and again either all contests are fixed or none are , Sergio actually had the balls to complain about his placings in 84/85 lol like he had a shot   Sergio is like Robby Robinson bitter .

[pumpster]

You are a follower, and not one with much originality. Completely bereft of objectivity in your righteous and incorrect dogmas. So utterly biased on a continuing basis that you jettisoned credibility long ago.

Trust me, you'd have made an excellent superb Hitler Youth..

[NarcissisticDeity]

You are a follower, and not one with much originality. Completely bereft of objectivity in your righteous and incorrect dogmas. So utterly biased on a continuing basis that you jettisoned credibility long ago.

Trust me, you'd have made an excellent superb Hitler Youth..

Oh please you're the blind follower your hang on every bitter word Sergio can spew leaving facts and history in favor of fantasy and delusion . you'll cling onto anything that anyone says negatively about the IFBB & Weider unless it works in your favor that my friend reeks of hypocrisy. if Weider handpicked Arnold to win shows he certainly did it for Sergio so you can't have it both ways.

[pumpster]

Blah, blah, blah. You've entriely compromised your credibility and the plausibility of your one-dimensional "explanations" AKA garbage filler.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Blah, blah, blah. You've entriely compromised your credibility and the plausibility of your one-dimensional "explanations" AKA garbage filler.

Lets compare it to what you have to offer , fantasy & delusion lol you're just like your hero delusional Sergio thinks he was screwed at the Olympia in 84/85  he was extremely lucky to be top 10 .

[WOOO]

arnold owned those twats so bad...

[Slick Vic]

arnold owned those twats so bad...

Totally - except in 1972.