Author Topic: Pro BBing Weekly Play-By-Play 07-31-06 Priest (Read 24989 times)

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #100 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:13:00 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 07:07:00 PM

Ricky Williams played for the NFL and the CFL at the SAME TIME? News to me...enlighten us all with more detail, please.....

Deion played both, but Ricky hasn't. Besides, the IFBB isn't a public league. It's a Weider Private Monopoly.

Lee is right in the fact that the IFBB only enforces certain rules.

240 is Back · « **Reply #101 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:14:04 PM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on July 31, 2006, 07:13:00 PM

Deion played both, but Ricky hasn't. Besides, the IFBB isn't a public league. It's a Weider Private Monopoly.

LMAO... it's a nonprofit canadian organization, which feels it has the right to stop people from earning money in America and Eurpoe. Incredible. It just sounds more silly by the minute.

getfast81 · « **Reply #102 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:15:22 PM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on July 31, 2006, 07:13:00 PM

Deion played both, but Ricky hasn't. Besides, the IFBB isn't a public league. It's a Weider Private Monopoly.

Ricky is playing for both he is UNDER CONTRACT to the Miami Dolphins. He is playing football in one league while he should be in training camp for the Miami Dolphins.

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #103 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:19:30 PM »

But he's not playing for both teams right now. He still has to sit out a year due to his suspension.

getfast81 · « **Reply #104 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:21:56 PM »

What the hell do you call the training camp he is missing out on? He is under contract and part of that football team. Just like Lee Priest is not competing in the PDI the same night as an IFBB show, right?

Amir Hamzic · « **Reply #105 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:23:14 PM »

hmmmm Muhamad Ali,Kostya Tsyu,Evander Holyfield,Mike Tyson,Lennox Lewis they all held titles from different organisations at the same time but maybe i am wrong maybe they arent athletes

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #106 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:30:18 PM »

Quote from: getfast81 on July 31, 2006, 07:21:56 PM

What the hell do you call the training camp he is missing out on? He is under contract and part of that football team. Just like Lee Priest is not competing in the PDI the same night as an IFBB show, right?

Listen numnuts, I didn't say he wasn't apart of that team anymore, yes he still is under contract, but he can't practice, play, or attend any meetings due to his 2nd positive drug testing, for the 2007 season.

getfast81 · « **Reply #107 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:36:06 PM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on July 31, 2006, 07:30:18 PM

Listen numnuts, I didn't say he wasn't apart of that team anymore, yes he still is under contract, but he can't practice, play, or attend any meetings due to his 2nd positive drug testing, for the 2007 season.

Chill with the bullshit petty name calling. Anyway he can practice with the team. The punter for the Denver Broncos who was suspended for testing positive for ephedra is still practicing with the team. You can practice and attend meetings. It is a one year game suspension. Keep up with the NFL. Check the news before spewing out stupid info and childish name calling.

warrior_code · « **Reply #108 on:** July 31, 2006, 07:57:10 PM »

lots of nfl guys come up here to play in the cfl, no biggie, the nfl doesn't seem to mind their athletes trying to better themselves and make some more money

The Freakshow · « **Reply #109 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:05:26 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on July 31, 2006, 05:15:32 PM

I tried some gakic cause a dude gave me a sample at a show, it really sucks !

plus those pills are way to big ! The only guy who could swallow things this big is alexxx !

Alexxx could swallow a whole bottle at a time. He's a muscle building machine. Unstoppable

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #110 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:07:15 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 06:29:50 PM

Obviously, you missed the point of the analogy...that you can't play for 2 different teams, or federations, etc....

The other point you missed, was that many bodybuilders make a nice living from being a IFBB pro bodybuilder...Lee included. Prize money, guest posings, seminars, appearances, supp company contracts, etc...can all be traced back to exposure, competing in the IFBB...that was the point.

Yes but last time i checked we are all INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS.So it says on my contract

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #111 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:08:36 PM »

Quote from: getfast81 on July 31, 2006, 06:35:54 PM

Ok you have a point but how many of all IFBB pros make actual prize money (not the 1000 bucks for placing last at the Olympia)? How many get an opportunity to guest pose? How many get supplement contracts? Im talking about an overall number. You would know better than I would obviously. And you have mentioned on this board before about how you pros have to fly yourselves out to shows. And what about health insurance? Out of 100 IFBB pros how many would you say make a lucrative living as an IFBB pro? I think Lee even said that he doesnt do many guest posings and most of his money comes from his supplement deals. And you obviously have to be a pretty good bodybuilder to get that sort of deal to begin with. Do you see Ken Jones racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars as an IFBB pro. Heck no. All I am saying Chick is that this sport is obviously not an easy one to make money in. I bet an NFL 6th round pick makes more on average than a mid level IFBB pro. Would you agree?

You would probaly have 10-15 that make a living just from bodybuilding no other job outside.

Special Ed · « **Reply #112 on:** July 31, 2006, 08:13:23 PM »

NFL 6th round pick: Signing Bonus = $100,000; Minimum Rookie Salary: $275,000; Total=$375,000
Number of 6th round picks in 2006: 32
Average age of NFL rookie: 22
Pro Bodybuilder: Signing Bonus= $0; Minimum Rookie Salary: $0
Number of Pro Bodybuilders Earning more than $375,000 in 2006 (not including drug sales) = 1
Average age of IFBB Pro: 35

Nuff said,

Special "NUMB3RS" Ed

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #113 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:23:29 PM »

Lee still, you never laid out exactly what it is your trying to do?

If you want give away Prize Money to help others, why not compete in Montreal, Atlantic City, Mr. O then Europe?
You could certainly in a few weeks time, donate more to your "Foundation" than if you win the ONE PDI event in September.
Enlighten us here

Thx,
S. Ray

onlyme · « **Reply #114 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:26:55 PM »

While Chic is calling Manion for answers to all your questions............... . Good job Lee. Guaranteed if just 50% of the IFBB pros had the balls you have there woudl be huge changes in the IFBB. WHat Ifind funny is how Chic keeps saying there is no support or sponsors for the PDI. I find that amusing. I also find how much they say the IFBB is not worried about the PDI yet FLex and M&F both will not allow ads in their magazines for the PDI. It's also funny how the IFBB (AMI) threaten sponsors who want to support the PDI by telling them advertising rates will be increased or involvement in future IFBB shows will not be available. All that from people who are not afraid of Wayne. And I also find it amusing how even Sean and Chic both agree and state how Wayne ran the IFBB and Ben had no input or say so. Everything bad that happened was Wayne's fault, yet everything good that happened was Ben's doing. Hilarious.

Here what Chic and the IFBB should do since Chic is so sure no one would compete in the PDI and that no one would support it. Put out a public notice and mail each IFBB pro an official notice stating all IFBB members can now compete in the PDI with absolutley no recourse or penalty from the IFBB. Lets see how many woudl compete. Should be no skin off anyoes back since no one will compete according to Chic. Come on I will even put the letter together for you. All you have to do is get it published for free in Flex and M&F and mail out to each member.

240 is Back · « **Reply #115 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:27:44 PM »

I bet there were a lot of IFBB guys at home tonight laughing their asses off.

I wonder if this will stimulate a little change, a few murmurs from other BBers who feel the same way as Lee.

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #116 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:29:40 PM »

Ah, 240 I'd be interested to see who those Bbers would be.
The previous names added to the list are somewhat to be desired.

240 is Back · « **Reply #117 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Shawn Ray on July 31, 2006, 09:29:40 PM

Ah, 240 I'd be interested to see who those Bbers would be.
The previous names added to the list are somewhat to be desired.

Shawn, I was amused by your speech tonight. You were way more composed and under control than Chic, and it seemed like you were not against change. Rather, change within the system. And IMO, that is the best type of change, when you find a way to use the rulebook to win.

I agree the PDI competitor list is not yet top caliber. But hey, it's the first show.

Shawn, I can see you running a PDI show in a year or two. You go where the opportunities are, you don't have that blind faith that Chic has, who would follow the IFBB brass off a cliff. I can see VYO running a west coast show in a year and you promoting it

Chick · « **Reply #118 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:39:21 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on July 31, 2006, 09:26:55 PM

While Chic is calling Manion for answers to all your questions............... . Good job Lee. Guaranteed if just 50% of the IFBB pros had the balls you have there woudl be huge changes in the IFBB. WHat Ifind funny is how Chic keeps saying there is no support or sponsors for the PDI. I find that amusing. I also find how much they say the IFBB is not worried about the PDI yet FLex and M&F both will not allow ads in their magazines for the PDI. It's also funny how the IFBB (AMI) threaten sponsors who want to support the PDI by telling them advertising rates will be increased or involvement in future IFBB shows will not be available. All that from people who are not afraid of Wayne. And I also find it amusing how even Sean and Chic both agree and state how Wayne ran the IFBB and Ben had no input or say so. Everything bad that happened was Wayne's fault, yet everything good that happened was Ben's doing. Hilarious.

Here what Chic and the IFBB should do since Chic is so sure no one would compete in the PDI and that no one would support it. Put out a public notice and mail each IFBB pro an official notice stating all IFBB members can now compete in the PDI with absolutley no recourse or penalty from the IFBB. Lets see how many woudl compete. Should be no skin off anyoes back since no one will compete according to Chic. Come on I will even put the letter together for you. All you have to do is get it published for free in Flex and M&F and mail out to each member.

Who ever credited anything to Ben?

The guys that would compete, Keith, are the one's that would be considering the PDI anyway...nothing different there.

Top guys would never step on the PDI stage with the likes of guys that couldn't earn their pro card the old fashioned way....I think you're forgetting that.

Chick · « **Reply #119 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:41:02 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 31, 2006, 09:27:44 PM

I bet there were a lot of IFBB guys at home tonight laughing their asses off.

I wonder if this will stimulate a little change, a few murmurs from other BBers who feel the same way as Lee.

You got that right...but not for the reasons you think.

Vince B · « **Reply #120 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:45:23 PM »

How easy people forget. When the IFBB was competing for competitors back in the 1970s they allowed champions like Arnold and Sergio to compete in the NABBA Universe. Just about every top guy won the Universe first. It was after NABBA lost their leader, Oscar Heidenstamn, that the IFBB ascended to the top organization and everyone wanted to win the Olympia.

You know what I find amusing and sad at the same time? Professional bodybuilding is a non-profit sport! Who makes enough to survive on contest earnings except a few guys? What do the rest do?

The IFBB doesn't care about bodybuilders and has always treated them with disdain. They look after a few guys but the majority pay fees and receive virtually nothing.

In most contests a bodybuilder shows up and pays fees and so on to compete. That doesn't mean they endorse the organization they have joined to compete. They join because it is required. It is a formality.

Lee Priest is a man among boys. Everyone knows the deal of going against the IFBB. You place 8th!!!! Sergio & Bev. Anyone who speaks out risks winning or placing high in contests. So competitors keep their mouths shut and place above those who speak out.

Change the rules, elect a proper president and officials for the IFBB. Make new judging rules and criteria. Test for drugs and synthol and inserts. No silicon for women. Then you might save this drug infested sport.

Shawn Ray · « **Reply #121 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:45:44 PM »

Sounds like a Rebel trying to Rebel.
Nothing will come of it, "If" the PDI show comes off and Lee is in it.
Thanks for the memories Lee!

Otherwise, good luck at the Mr. O, remember No man is an Island.
You would be better served if you can get some or ONE Athlete to side with your arguement and you'd be better represented to make change instead of whistling in the wind.
Peace,
S. Ray

240 is Back · « **Reply #122 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 09:41:02 PM

You got that right...but not for the reasons you think.

They may have been laughing at the comment you made about "Lee and I are both cut from the same mold. We always speak our mind", at which point Lee got on the phone and called you a puppet in front of 20,000 listeners.

Puppets don't speak their mind. Therein lies the pun.

Vince B · « **Reply #123 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:56:10 PM »

Look Shawn and Bob. Lee has a clue about what goes on. He won't win the Olympia. He knows that and so does everyone else. So why shouldn't he do what he likes? Why should another pro advise him where to compete? That is not at all what professionals should do.

How come some of those Olympia winners have no lines under the bottom of their calves yet have striations in their glutes. Hell, at a fat 225 pounds and at 63 years old I still have a cut under my calves. Where are Ronnies? How can he win the Olympia with those calves? Where are the rules? Why aren't they enforced? In my opinion Lee Priest is a better bodybuilder than Ronnie Coleman. Sure Ronnie is huge and amazing but he hasn't got a beautiful body, has virtual breasts and no cuts in his lower calves. In other words he has no complete calves. That is how we talk in bodybuilding. I have nothing against Ronnie or anyone else. Just because I live in Australia doesn't mean that I am supporting Lee. I will support anyone who tells the truth. That is why I am supporting Milos and Lee. It is about time the courageous and intelligent guys started standing up and speaking out in this sport.

onlyme · « **Reply #124 on:** July 31, 2006, 10:00:01 PM »

Chic I am mad at you for not talking to me from the USA. At least I talked to Sean. Bill was trying to get you the phone so I could at least say Hi. He tried at the Cal too. I hope you aren't going to be stuck up now.