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End of Ephedra at all doses?
« on: August 18, 2006, 11:25:16 AM »
Appeals Court Upholds FDA Ephedra Ban
A federal appeals court has upheld the FDA ban on products containing the weight-loss supplement ephedra, reversing a Utah judge's ruling that prohibited enforcement of the prohibition against Park City-based Nutraceutical Corp.

A three-judge panel of the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver ruled Thursday that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration correctly followed a mandate from Congress to conduct a risk-benefit analysis to determine if a product presents an "unreasonable risk of illness or injury," The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

Ephedra, which was linked to dozens of deaths and thousands of reports of health problems such as heart attack or increased blood pressure, was banned by in 2004 by the FDA, which held that no dosage of the substance was safe.

However, U.S. District Judge Tena Campbell in Salt Lake City said last year that the FDA had not proved that ephedra was unsafe even at low doses and she ruled that the ban could not be enforced against supplements containing doses of ephedra up to 10 milligrams.

Jonathan Emord, attorney for Nutraceutical Corp., said Thursday the Utah company will seek a rehearing in front of the entire 10th Circuit.

The natural supplement industry fears the ruling could give the FDA broader power to yank products where it believes risks outweigh benefits, said Loren Israelsen, executive director of the Utah Natural Products Alliance.

"The worry is that the FDA can say to anyone, 'We don't like you, you're out of here,' " he said.

Elisa Odabashian, senior policy analyst at Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports magazine, said the ban will save lives.

"This is just great news because the evidence is everywhere - ephedra is a killer," she said. "It revs you up, you feel great, you have no appetite. ... But with some people it causes heart palpitations, heart attacks and strokes."

The ban stemmed from studies which showed an increased risk of heart attacks, stroke and death, especially in users who have high blood pressure, heart disease or engage in strenuous exercise.

Since 1997, the amphetamine-like herb has been linked to 19,000 "adverse events" and dozens of deaths, including that of 23-year-old Baltimore Orioles pitcher Steve Bechler, who collapsed during a spring training workout.

In challenging the ban, Nutraceutical and its subsidiary Solaray Inc., argued that dried whole-herb ephedra sinica had been safely used for thousands of years.

Campbell held that in banning ephedra, even at low doses, the FDA was improperly shifted the burden of proving product safety from the government to supplement manufacturers.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2006, 11:29:04 AM »
Come to Canada, it has never been banned.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2006, 11:31:36 AM »
"This is just great news because the evidence is everywhere - ephedra is a killer," she said. "It revs you up, you feel great, you have no appetite. ... But with some people it causes heart palpitations, heart attacks and strokes."


yes, the evidence is everywhere!!!!  we just won't list a single scientifc study of such evidence!!!
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2006, 11:57:24 AM »
"This is just great news because the evidence is everywhere - ephedra is a killer," she said. "It revs you up, you feel great, you have no appetite. ... But with some people it causes heart palpitations, heart attacks and strokes."


yes, the evidence is everywhere!!!!  we just won't list a single scientifc study of such evidence!!!

Bingo.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2006, 12:00:09 PM »
"This is just great news because the evidence is everywhere - ephedra is a killer," she said. "It revs you up, you feel great, you have no appetite. ... But with some people it causes heart palpitations, heart attacks and strokes."


yes, the evidence is everywhere!!!!  we just won't list a single scientifc study of such evidence!!!

I'm taking ECA.  And I'll clearly die one day.  Chalk up another tombstone to the those evil Ephedra manufacturers.



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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2006, 12:00:25 PM »
un-FUCKING-believable... we'll ban ephedra for killing a few douches who misuse it





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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2006, 12:03:18 PM »
the truth is... its not being banned due to killing people. its being banned becuase its the main chemical used to make cystal meth. with those supplements its very easy to make meth. thats why they now ask for id when buying otc those allergy pills or whatever contains it.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2006, 12:09:23 PM »
I didn't know you can still get it in Canada. I've been using psudoephdrine. Maybe it's behind the counter. I'm going to ask.  8)
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
the truth is... its not being banned due to killing people. its being banned becuase its the main chemical used to make cystal meth. with those supplements its very easy to make meth. thats why they now ask for id when buying otc those allergy pills or whatever contains it.

I'm sure that's exactly it.  How can any legislature be so retarded as to think "hmmm, if we ban ephedra then all the meth heads will just disappear and become fine upstanding citizens."   I can't believe we elect (and appoint) such anus holes.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2006, 12:12:45 PM »
I didn't think they could make it from the "herb" But, I guess it's still an alkoloid, and that's pretty much simillar. The dumb thing is, you can get psudo anywhere, but a herb like ephedra is no where to be seen.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2006, 12:14:18 PM »
i'm not sure if you guys know this...

ephedra isn't band because it kills a couple people... sure that raises public concern, but one of the real reasons is that it can easily (I use the phrase easily loosely) be converted to methaphetamine (crystal meth)...

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2006, 12:15:29 PM »
I didn't think they could make it from the "herb" But, I guess it's still an alkoloid, and that's pretty much simillar. The dumb thing is, you can get psudo anywhere, but a herb like ephedra is no where to be seen.

psuedoephedrine has very different effects on your body than ephedrine... even the meth made from the psuedo form is much less potentant

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2006, 12:18:12 PM »
psuedoephedrine has very different effections on your body than ephedrine... even the meth made from the psuedo form is much less potentant

Which explains  it. Ephedra worked so much better.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2006, 12:19:29 PM »
Which explains  it. Ephedra worked so much better.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2006, 03:03:37 PM »
Either way, you can still buy the herbal form online for a few more days I think - until the official pull date comes (probably early next week I would guess).
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2006, 03:21:02 PM »
A friend of mine bought a bottle of ephedra and even though he hadn't used it yet he stiil  had a heart attack.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2006, 03:21:54 PM »
A friend of mine bought a bottle of ephedra and even though he hadn't used it yet he stiil  had a heart attack.

That is called 'fear of ephedra'.  He should sue the ephedra manufacturer as well as MD for even mentioning it.

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2006, 05:11:12 PM »
the truth is... its not being banned due to killing people. its being banned becuase its the main chemical used to make cystal meth. with those supplements its very easy to make meth. thats why they now ask for id when buying otc those allergy pills or whatever contains it.
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2006, 05:39:07 PM »
most of us use synthetic ephedrine hcl...so I doubt this will affect that.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2006, 09:09:25 PM »
That is called 'fear of ephedra'.  He should sue the ephedra manufacturer as well as MD for even mentioning it.


So you heard of it too. ?

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2006, 09:11:21 PM »

So you heard of it too. ?

Not until you mentioned it.  I will now be suing Ephedra, the website I got it from, MD, Pepsi (I had to drink it with something!), and a guy named Disgusted.

Seriously tho, I tell ya, there are some idiots who would seriously threaten a lawsuit this frivolous.

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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2006, 09:16:14 PM »
Just my two cents.  But if the herbal version will only be available for another week at best then be done forever - maybe it's time to stock up for the last time  :'(
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2006, 09:20:29 PM »
All that's been banned is herbal ephedra.  You can get 25 mg tablets of ephedrine OTC at any Walgreens or CVS:



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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2006, 09:22:44 PM »
I will now be suing ...    a guy named Disgusted.




I hear he has a good friend who likes to threaten to sue people. (and who won't qualify for the O)   ;D
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Re: End of Ephedra at all doses?
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 09:45:56 PM »
Come to Canada, it has never been banned.

Actually it was.