Ifbb pros and PDI

[HRDCOR]

This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!

In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.

This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!

This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.

[Original Sin]

Great Post!

My only question is how they are going to twist this and place the blame at Bob's feet as per the norm.

Marc is Smart and Pretty. 

[Miss Karen]

It's a mess a real mess just hope that Lee has Wayne stitched up.We will have a better idea after their 1st show.Sounds like you are in the know.

[Blockhead]

 WHOA! I caught a wiff of that one...let me get the fk out of this thread...whew!!! Smelled like a dead lake trout....snap!

[HRDCOR]

  WHOA! I caught a wiff of that one...let me get the fk out of this thread...whew!!! Smelled like a dead lake trout....snap                                   

What the ??

I was talking about IFBB pros not being abel to compete with the PDI dickhead !!

[RHINO290]

This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!

In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.

This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!

This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.

Would be a good point except the fact that this only pertains to about 5-8 Ifbb pros. Most pros are broke, and have no contract to speak of. Lets see 1)ronnie2) jay 3)dexter 4)branch 5)johnnie jackson. There are a few others, but the percentage is low. In reality, this is exactly the reason why ifbb pros should consider the pdi. I bet money I myself am making more money the the majority of Ifbb pros and I have not even stepped on stage yet.....

[ether]

Would be a good point except the fact that this only pertains to about 5-8 Ifbb pros. Most pros are broke, and have no contract to speak of. Lets see 1)ronnie2) jay 3)dexter 4)branch 5)johnnie jackson. There are a few others, but the percentage is low. In reality, this is exactly the reason why ifbb pros should consider the pdi. I bet money I myself am making more money the the majority of Ifbb pros and I have not even stepped on stage yet.....

How are you generating revenue from the PDI Rhino? There hasn't even been one show yet?

Is the organizer paying you to be in the show?

Could you elaborate on this?

[Oldschool Flip]

Wouldn't it be more exposure for ALL SPONSORS if there were more shows? Just a thought.

[Shawn Ray]

You forgot to mention:  
Troy Alves
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Markus Rhuel
Phil Heath
Bill Wilmore
Gunther Schleirkamp
Gustavo Badell
Dennis James
Darrem Charles
Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, Rhino, you might be right, there maybe more money in the PDI.
I wonder who all is making money over there and how, since no shows have taken place and no one has heard of the guys in the PDI?
You represent a supplement company?
Guest Pose all over the world?
Appear on magazine covers?
Won any Prize Money?
Sounds like a bunch of maybe's, on top of possibilitities and even hopefullie's mixed in with some Hillbilllie's?
 

[RHINO290]

You forgot to mention:  
Troy Alves
Mark Dugdale
David Henry
Markus Rhuel
Phil Heath
Bill Wilmore
Gunther Schleirkamp
Gustavo Badell
Dennis James
Darrem Charles
Hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, Rhino, you might be right, there maybe more money in the PDI.
I wonder who all is making money over there and how, since no shows have taken place and no one has heard of the guys in the PDI?
You represent a supplement company?
Guest Pose all over the world?
Appear on magazine covers?
Won any Prize Money?
Sounds like a bunch of maybe's, on top of possibilitities and even hopefullie's mixed in with some Hillbilllie's?
 

You know what Shawn, now list the HUNDREDS of athletes who make nothing. I may have been off by a few, but the majority, are broke. Personal training, whatever.

Yes, I do represent several companies, and yes, I have been guest posing, and yes I have been all over the world, and plan to continue. Prize money, which is the point od the thread, is not where the money is.

Did you even read this thread? My point is when you are getting nothing, and have no chance to, the chance of getting something is better.

I know you want to attack me on every opinion, but at least you could read and understand what I am saying first.

[jaejonna]

Ummm hellloooo!!!!

You guys forgot...

King Kamali
Bob Chicherello
Greg Kovacs
Ken Jones
Joyce Pelliteir(sp)
Kai Greene
Derek Anthony
Greg Valentino

[Shawn Ray]

I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE?
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What?

What company do you represent so I can check it out?

[jaejonna]

IS it me or do the pros like Lee and Shawn wake up way too early to be online
Isnt it like 5:40 am over there??

[Shawn Ray]

Coffee & Get Big in the am.
Off to the Gym,
Peace

[ether]

I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE?
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What?

What company do you represent so I can check it out?

Seriously how are you making money off the PDI?

The NOC will be cancelled, there is no way Lee P will compete in this show anymore.

he is just using it for leverage to try and create a stir and place higher at the olympia.

[chris_mason]

I just wonder why I have never heard of you or seen you Guest Pose at a show?
I have attended a gazzillion shows in the last 20 years and have only seen a couple pics of you in Muscle Mag Int. ONCE?
Sounds like your off and running!
That being said, can you explain How and Where the guys whould make money in the PDI?Guaranteed Contracts, Prize Money What?

What company do you represent so I can check it out?

Shawn, why are you such an ass?

Chris

[Dball]

exactly how many ifbb athletes are there?  its up in the triple digits, or close to it, right?  how many of them have endorsements?

[chris_mason]

You know, all of the same arguments used against the PDI could have been used on the IFBB not so many years ago.  Every organization starts somewhere.  Some make it and some don't.  Why not let it play itself out and we will see what happens with the PDI?

[Hedgehog]

Yes, I do represent several companies, and yes, I have been guest posing

Where have you been guest posing?

Prize money, which is the point od the thread

I wonder where you get this notion from? The original post by HRDCOR was discussing competition clauses:

most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!)

Good luck with the preparation for the NOC

YIP
Zack

[Tre]

This whole PDI thing will struggle to get any IFBB pro to join there organisation due to 1 major problem, and that is Sponsorship/endorsement contracts that a athlete may have !!

In the professional bodybuilding arena the primary earning potential for 98% of the pro athletes is not from show earning,( this is reserved for yet but the top 6-8 competitors) it is derived from Sponsorship contracts. It is these sponsorship contracts that pay a annual salary to athletes for the use of there image and appearance to promote their products and / or services.
These contracts can run into the 100s of thousands of dollars per annum and heres the kicker for the PDI, most of these contracts have a competition clause in them which nominate that the athlete must compete in a certain amount of Shows per annum as part of the exposure the company wishes their charge to receive,(the number usually runs into 3-4 shows per annum and in most cases the athlete has to name these shows prior to renewal of a agreement!) now unfortunately the PDI don't have a calender of events which could support such a requirement in a contract , plus the Sponsor may not recognise the PDI and its shows as a legitimate Showing for their athlete to be deemed plausible for the contracts requirements.

This I see is one of the main reasons that the IFBB pro contingent will not be going to the PDI , because basically they cant !!

This is ONE major sticking point for the PDI.

What percentage of current IFBB pros earn 'significant' income from their endorsement deals?

[Dball]

he said primary earning POTENTIAL.

[RHINO290]

Shawn, why are you such an ass?

Chris

Chris, don't waste your time. People like us are above this. Obviously, I am important enough to try to discreit, everytime I post. Unfortunately, you can't discredit someone like myself. It really is a compliment that evertime I post, Shawn Ray, Chick, and the rest are there to try and discredit me. Again, fuitlity must be frustrating, Chick spent a week trying to convince everyone I did not Win the North America, and was on8ed. He only makes himself look stupid. Shawn, really is ashame because I was actually a fan. I could bash him so much it is not even funny, but why? Evetything is great, I have one of the worlds fastest growing compnaie behind me, Jimmy Mentis and his camp behind me, and so on.......

But then again, who am I?  According to Ron, one of the most talked about bodybuilders on the net. Wayne just recently dubbed me "The Mr. Olympia of the internet"!!(LOL)

Thanks to all the rest who have supported me, thanks to Mike mccandless for sending me to NC to guest pose for them(Woops Shawn, egg on your face too).

Yes, I have guest posed.

[RHINO290]

You know, all of the same arguments used against the PDI could have been used on the IFBB not so many years ago.  Every organization starts somewhere.  Some make it and some don't.  Why not let it play itself out and we will see what happens with the PDI?

Because they are scared, they know it will work, and then the seas of change will happen.

[gatrainer]

Chris, don't waste your time. People like us are above this. Obviously, I am important enough to try to discreit, everytime I post. Unfortunately, you can't discredit someone like myself. It really is a compliment that evertime I post, Shawn Ray, Chick, and the rest are there to try and discredit me. Again, fuitlity must be frustrating, Chick spent a week trying to convince everyone I did not Win the North America, and was on8ed. He only makes himself look stupid. Shawn, really is ashame because I was actually a fan. I could bash him so much it is not even funny, but why? Evetything is great, I have one of the worlds fastest growing compnaie behind me, Jimmy Mentis and his camp behind me, and so on.......

But then again, who am I?  According to Ron, one of the most talked about bodybuilders on the net. Wayne just recently dubbed me "The Mr. Olympia of the internet"!!(LOL)

Thanks to all the rest who have supported me, thanks to Mike mccandless for sending me to NC to guest pose for them(Woops Shawn, egg on your face too).

Yes, I have guest posed.

I guess it goes to show the egos in bodybuilding.
I wish you the best Rhino...Your attitude speaks millions

[RHINO290]

Where have you been guest posing?







I wonder where you get this notion from? The original post by HRDCOR was discussing competition clauses:

Good luck with the preparation for the NOC

YIP
Zack

North Carolina, Philadelphia, semiar in Michigan,(which I had to cancell)