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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2006, 10:11:18 AM »
There is actually no such thing as "stabilizer" muscles.  Just another large MYTH.

There is no such thing as taking out stabilizer muscles and there is no such thing as stabilizer muscles.  Can you name the "Stabilizer" muscles?   Nobody can.

No Adonis, it's not a myth ::). Unlike bodybuilding, about 90% of athletes from all sports concentrate on stabilization training, I'm one of the ones who also trains most of my athletes and clients with this type of training. Stabilization training is basically training for function.

While I'm not going to go through the entire list of stabilizers but here are some groups that need stability training;

 Deep abdominals (transverse abdominis, internal obliques), hip abductors and rotators including illiacus and psoas and scapula stabilizers including the four muscles of the rotator cuff.....anymore questions?

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2006, 10:18:00 AM »
A machine can be as good as any free weight if you know what you are doing.  The trick is to use all forms of resistance. Machines,Dumbells and Barbells.  One is not necessairly better than the other if you are taking sets to failure.

this is not true. there is no replacement for freeweight movements. i dont care how many smith squats you do, leg presses, extentions, hacks, ect...you will still be hardly able to walk after doing free weight squats for the first time. freeweights are better for strength because they affect the Stabilizing portions of you muscles allowing for greater core strength, greater balance and this translates to greater control

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2006, 10:20:17 AM »
No Adonis, it's not a myth ::). Unlike bodybuilding, about 90% of athletes from all sports concentrate on stabilization training, I'm one of the ones who also trains most of my athletes and clients with this type of training. Stabilization training is basically training for function.

While I'm not going to go through the entire list of stabilizers but here are some groups that need stability training;

 Deep abdominals (transverse abdominis, internal obliques), hip abductors and rotators including illiacus and psoas and scapula stabilizers including the four muscles of the rotator cuff.....anymore questions?


training them for sports specific function makes sense...I don't know if it does from a pure bodybuilding standpoint.  I've never worried to much about training a stabilizer...I will take a few sessions to get "used' to doing a movement before I incorperate it into my routine so maybe I'm getting my stabilizers ready and just never thought about it.  I just think if you walk around all day avoiding a machine because you're afraid you're not going to hit your stabilizers your taking it too far.
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2006, 10:34:19 AM »
I tore it using 405lbs. I found out the machine was faulty a few years later after revisiting that gym. I don't need any pity i'm a big boy hell now i'm a real big boy so i'll be just fine. even with 3/4 of a pec at 6'2 300+lbs with a 31-32in waist i'm going to be in the mix real good!!! peace

Machines are for women so you wouldn't of grown your chest with that nonsense anyways.
just push some weight!

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2006, 10:47:13 AM »
But I am stronger/bigger than Garreth has ever been.  So what should I do?

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2006, 11:16:34 AM »
toney claimed to squat 735 for 3 or 4 reps weighing only 215 at 6'2'.
 
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couldnt even do that now weighing over 300 let alone 200. 
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2006, 11:20:18 AM »
training them for sports specific function makes sense...I don't know if it does from a pure bodybuilding standpoint.  I've never worried to much about training a stabilizer...I will take a few sessions to get "used' to doing a movement before I incorperate it into my routine so maybe I'm getting my stabilizers ready and just never thought about it.  I just think if you walk around all day avoiding a machine because you're afraid you're not going to hit your stabilizers your taking it too far.

Everyone benefits from stabilizer training, from a pure bodybuilding standpoint, it would be much less for bodybuilding than it would be from athletics, since bodybuilding is not a performance sport (it's not a sport at all :P) meaning speed, agility, conditioning it's not needed as much as say a football player, baseball, soccer,etc,etc but it is needed.

Machines are great for bodybuilding because it the working muscle directly, anotherwords not many other muscles are involved in the movement to provide stability. As an example, and i have used this analogy before, just because a guy has huge muscles doesn't mean he can throw a baseball 100mph or run a 4.4 40, he might be able to overhead press 315lbs but there's also a good chance he can tear a rotator cuff throwing a 6oz baseball, see my point?

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2006, 11:21:02 AM »
aren't sarcasm and TA the same person?

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2006, 11:34:11 AM »
Machines are for women so you wouldn't of grown your chest with that nonsense anyways.

Exit this thread before an onslaught of owning begins. Your hero Arnold, he took a great liking to incline smiths... For verification, watch The Comeback.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2006, 11:35:31 AM »
Exit this thread before an onslaught of owning begins. Your hero Arnold, he took a great liking to incline smiths... For verification, watch The Comeback.


That was later on during his career to shape and add detail to his pecs but he did not have the luxury of machines in the first 5 years of training when he made the greatest gains possible.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2006, 11:55:14 AM »
And your telling Toney Freeman not to use machines because he's still in the begginings of his development ::) k, buddy.
Get a job you little anal love tart.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2006, 12:08:52 PM »
Toney Freeman said on the radio show tonight that he tore his pec using 315 on the smith machine.

He was doing Dorian's super intense routine at the time.  And he blamed the smith for being faulty.

1) What is this Yates chest routine which destroys mortal pros?

2) has anyone ever seen a broken smith machine cause an injury?

I didn't tear my pec, but while performing inclines on a smith I pec pulled real, REAL hard and I was sore for weeks.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2006, 12:25:03 PM »
And your telling Toney Freeman not to use machines because he's still in the begginings of his development ::) k, buddy.
Get a job you little anal love tart.

His chest is not up to par. Kamali has a bigger chest then Toney.
just push some weight!

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2006, 12:28:53 PM »
His chest is not up to par. Kamali has a bigger chest then Toney.


nothing good can come from your posts on this thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2006, 12:31:21 PM »

nothing good can come from your posts on this thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah cause most people here can't accept the truth. I like Toney he is an xman but to advance among the elite group he has to take care of his weaknesses.
just push some weight!

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2006, 12:38:48 PM »

nothing good can come from your posts on this thread ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

nohing at all. this lil' dildo has done ruined another thread.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2006, 12:42:39 PM »
His chest is not up to par. Kamali has a bigger chest then Toney.
Alexx,

I be sure to send King my 1st place check and trophy. oh and i need your address so i can include a case of "Hatorade" and front row seats to the show cuz evidently your glasses need a new prescription. "I'll holla"!!! oh yeah, "Squad" handle my lightweight please... peace.

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2006, 12:44:50 PM »
Good job Toney on the show!!!

Your in good hands with the "Squad" endorsing you.
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2006, 12:44:57 PM »
Yeah cause most people here can't accept the truth. I like Toney he is an xman but to advance among the elite group he has to take care of his weaknesses.


WHAT WOULD BE HIS WEAKNESS?
    The shape
    The muscle
    The huge calves
The Presentation
The small waist
The Flat stomach
The total 6 pack ?

What exactly is the weakness


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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2006, 12:45:54 PM »
Alexx,

I be sure to send King my 1st place check and trophy. oh and i need your address so i can include a case of "Hatorade" and front row seats to the show cuz evidently your glasses need a new prescription. "I'll holla"!!! oh yeah, "Squad" handle my lightweight please... peace.

Toney,

are you doing anymore of shows for now or waiting until the "O"?  I'd love to see you and Dillet go at it....if Paul's in shape that is...
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2006, 12:46:52 PM »
Alexx,

I be sure to send King my 1st place check and trophy. oh and i need your address so i can include a case of "Hatorade" and front row seats to the show cuz evidently your glasses need a new prescription. "I'll holla"!!! oh yeah, "Squad" handle my lightweight please... peace.

Toney,

Adonis Mr. Getbig 2006.  What do you think?   I am going to send you an autographed Adonis shirt as well. What size do I get you?

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2006, 12:49:50 PM »
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2006, 12:50:33 PM »
Toney,

Adonis Mr. Getbig 2006.  What do you think?   I am going to send you an autographed Adonis shirt as well. What size do I get you?
Toney , do you mind that on the back, he is going to put "ALL DRUGS "
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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2006, 12:53:58 PM »
Alexx,

I be sure to send King my 1st place check and trophy. oh and i need your address so i can include a case of "Hatorade" and front row seats to the show cuz evidently your glasses need a new prescription. "I'll holla"!!! oh yeah, "Squad" handle my lightweight please... peace.

You seem to have made great strides with your chest development. My remark about Tamali was farfetched.

You need to use freeweights to bring it up even more.
just push some weight!

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Re: Toen pec using 315 on a Smith machine...
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2006, 02:04:35 PM »
Toney,

are you doing anymore of shows for now or waiting until the "O"?  I'd love to see you and Dillet go at it....if Paul's in shape that is...

Toney is only preparing for the O and bringing the X frame