First i want say thank for the help it was the first time i have had a real problem in 10 years or so anyway i guess you were rt i must have hit a vain anyway everything went good today i will be much more carfull!!!!third week on cycle 10 weeks test - e at 500 mg a week with a front load of 30 mg d-bol daily for 5 weeks hoping to gain 35 lbs on my bench from 365 to 400lbs the goal.Thanks again. p.s. unskinny is an ASS!hole!