Author Topic: Does Ronnie train harder than Jay or just heavier? (Read 8387 times)

PhoenixBuff · « **Reply #25 on:** September 06, 2006, 09:41:31 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on September 06, 2006, 08:26:06 PM

monster attempt at changing the subject after being proven wrong

God Dayum! If he had calves worth a damn, I'd chisel is freaking head into the mountain up at Mount Rushmore because NO ONE EVER would match that physique, EVAR!

Anal Iceman Lubeth · « **Reply #26 on:** September 06, 2006, 09:44:12 PM »

i heard when Mits isn't there, Cutler eats Pringles all day and puts real sugar in his tea.

Wombat · « **Reply #27 on:** September 06, 2006, 09:46:27 PM »

although Jay trains very hard, he has done most of his training either by himself or with his wife....

Now flip the switch and Ronnie has done most of his training with men who are as hungry as him....Hence is probably why Ronnie pushes and pulls alot more weight the Jay....

You can pay and go train in a group with Ronnie...Thats alot of hungry guys coming to Ronnies house and trying to keep up with him....Who wouldn't feed off that...

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #28 on:** September 06, 2006, 11:26:23 PM »

To answer the original question.....BOTH.

Jay doesn't train very hard and he isn't very strong either. For his size he can't move a lot of weight. You can see it in their attitudes, Ronnie is a fvcking animal in the gym, Jay is a creampuff.

the shadow · « **Reply #29 on:** September 06, 2006, 11:53:28 PM »

hahaha this thread is stupid.when you are lifting heavier you have to apply more power hence that defines the word intensity because you are applying more power than you really have to apply.so the simple fact that ronnie trains heavier than jay is enough to say that ronnie trains with more intensity..how come your going to get the same results by lifting 405 lbs to 675lbs that coleman lifts...think about wat non-sense thread you made...

IFBBwannaB · « **Reply #30 on:** September 07, 2006, 02:11:21 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on September 06, 2006, 07:14:39 PM

I say heavier. Jay looks like he really goes all out when he trains. It just so happens that he deadlifts with 405 with the same subjective intensity that Ronnie does with 675.

Do you suck better then Gaydonis or just deeper?

divcom · « **Reply #31 on:** September 07, 2006, 08:46:17 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on September 06, 2006, 09:05:55 PM

Who cares.

They both could lift boxes at Walmart and gain muscle with as much drugs as they are on.

They could watch you lift and still be bigger than you....even if they were drug free. Dude...you are average. Bast and Little Hercules are much better.

mrsirjojo · « **Reply #32 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:11:19 AM »

Quote from: body88 on September 06, 2006, 07:36:04 PM

So if you are training as heavy as your body allows you a man who is stronger is training harder since he is lifting more?

If he weighs the same as you, yes...

fitnessman · « **Reply #33 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:22:04 AM »

Ronnie trains way harder

i watched cutlers video, i wasnt impressed at all for all the drugs he's on he isnt very strong

the two hardest training pros ive seen on dvd were ronnie and dorian

ronnie uses more weight but sloppier form , dorian was strict on everything

even with his shitty form the weight ronnie uses is way harder than what cutler is doing

jay doesnt even train to failure

it baffles me how jay is number two in the world

he has a wide roid waist , a back with no detail, his arms suck as well.

his jaw and cranium are enormous as well, he isnt marketable no one gives a fuck about jay

besides you closet fags on here.

at least ronnie is deisrable in the freeky sort of way.

but jay will never ever beat ronnie in the size game or come close.

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #34 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:29:59 AM »

who juices better?

pumpster · « **Reply #35 on:** September 07, 2006, 09:49:50 AM »

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it baffles me how jay is number two in the world

he has a wide roid waist , a back with no detail, his arms suck as well.

his jaw and cranium are enormous as well, he isnt marketable no one gives a f**k about jay

Ya but he makes up for it on personality.

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the simple fact that ronnie trains heavier than jay is enough to say that ronnie trains with more intensity..

NO..if one's guy's stronger, lifting more does not necessarily assure more intensity..this is hard to figure out?

Overload · « **Reply #36 on:** September 07, 2006, 11:27:50 AM »

i've watched their DVD's...ronnie seems to have the upper hand on intensity. watch Ronnie's Unbelievable back workout and tell me he's not the most intense hard worker. 585 pound front squats free standing...hell yeah!

i've never been impressed too much with jay's intensity...just my opinion.

Jr. Yates · « **Reply #37 on:** September 07, 2006, 11:37:16 AM »

Quote from: Overload on September 07, 2006, 11:27:50 AM

i've watched their DVD's...ronnie seems to have the upper hand on intensity. watch Ronnie's Unbelievable back workout and tell me he's not the most intense hard worker. 585 pound front squats free standing...hell yeah!

i've never been impressed too much with jay's intensity...just my opinion.

Ronnie's back workout in "the Unbelivable" is insane compared to the one in "the cost of Redemption."

swilkins1984 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 07, 2006, 04:22:34 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on September 06, 2006, 07:14:39 PM

I say heavier. Jay looks like he really goes all out when he trains. It just so happens that he deadlifts with 405 with the same subjective intensity that Ronnie does with 675.

IMO Jay trains lighter but more volume....Ronnie heavier but less volume. Intensity is about the same.

doison · « **Reply #39 on:** September 07, 2006, 04:27:06 PM »

Quote from: fitnessman on September 07, 2006, 09:22:04 AM

Ronnie trains way harder

i watched cutlers video, i wasnt impressed at all for all the drugs he's on he isnt very strong

the two hardest training pros ive seen on dvd were ronnie and dorian

ronnie uses more weight but sloppier form , dorian was strict on everything

even with his shitty form the weight ronnie uses is way harder than what cutler is doing

jay doesnt even train to failure

it baffles me how jay is number two in the world

he has a wide roid waist , a back with no detail, his arms suck as well.

his jaw and cranium are enormous as well, he isnt marketable no one gives a f**k about jay

besides you closet fags on here.

at least ronnie is deisrable in the freeky sort of way.

but jay will never ever beat ronnie in the size game or come close.

Slowdown.....take a breath....

chris2489 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 07, 2006, 04:34:56 PM »

Intensity is the amount of effort put forth not how much you can lift. IMO i think Markus Ruhl beats both of them.

Hulkster · « **Reply #41 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:24:03 PM »

Quote from: pobrecito on September 06, 2006, 09:03:34 PM

Jay looks soft. Neither remotely as hard as Dorian was in 93.

don't count out Ronnie's 2005 condition:

Shockwave · « **Reply #42 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:39:16 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on September 07, 2006, 05:24:03 PM

don't count out Ronnie's 2005 condition:

He has lost all definition in his abs.
WTF.

Hulkster · « **Reply #43 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:48:34 PM »

actually, I thought his abs looked better in 2005 than in either 2004 or 2003..

fitnessman · « **Reply #44 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:50:54 PM »

jays waist is way wider than ronnies

ronnies has the roid gut

but jay has the roid waist my got its wider than hell .

fitnessman · « **Reply #45 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:53:58 PM »

also there is no way jay will ever beat ronnie playing the size game its not even close

but jays body is so fucked up now he can never come in smaller and looking good either.

i think jay is the most overated bb , in the past 20 years

he looks like shit. period

Hulkster · « **Reply #46 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:55:03 PM »

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think jay is the most overated bb , in the past 20 years

no no no. I can think of someone even more overrated...

phyxsius · « **Reply #47 on:** September 07, 2006, 05:58:20 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on September 07, 2006, 05:55:03 PM

no no no. I can think of someone even more overrated...

LOL.. I know what's in your mind

Hulkster · « **Reply #48 on:** September 07, 2006, 06:14:05 PM »

hahahahaha

HERACLES · « **Reply #49 on:** September 07, 2006, 06:20:41 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on September 06, 2006, 07:14:39 PM

I say heavier. Jay looks like he really goes all out when he trains. It just so happens that he deadlifts with 405 with the same subjective intensity that Ronnie does with 675.

Jay trains as hard as he possibly can, as well as Ronnie does also...it just comes down to different bodies, and how the muscles respond to everything...has nothng to do with how they lift, how much they lift, etc.. JMHO