What if Dorian Was Back in 99??

[Atlantic]

it was at the 1998 olympia, i have the tape to prove it. He was meant to take that year off and come back the following year but Dorian decided to retire and then Coleman took over the reigns.

What would have happened? 

I think he would have won the O and Flex 2nd and Ronnie 3rd

And if he retired after that (2000) Flex would have won, 2nd Ronnie and 3rd Kevin

[kyomu]

You are smokin crack.

Look. nasser almost owned Dorian several times.
And Best Nasser couldnt do anything against Coleman.
Why Flex won against Nasser? Its because of changing judging criteria.
Then Dorian can win against Flex in that criteria? No way...

[kyomu]

Flex have short lat. No glutes striated. No intense hams.No wide chest.

Ronnie doesnt have that problem.

[Scimowser]

ronnie beat Flex both of those years handsomely so why would Flex suddenly beat him because of the Dorian factor? I dont think Dorian would have won in a return because he was in pieces and Ronnie set the new standard in 98.

[Kamikaze Paul]

Nasser was comparable to Dorian from the from when Dorian was off (97) but not even close from the back

In 98 bodies like Ronnie and flex were favorable.  So that is why Nasser was 3rd

In 99 Nasser was a bit off.  And the battle was between Ronnie and Flex, but I think if Dorian would have showed up, he would have won and the Flex 2nd and Ronnie 3rd.  However in 2000 flex would have won. Hands down -although the competition would have been very close- cause the champ was gone and Ronnie was already Mr. O in 98.  So they would have given it to Flex with out breaking anyone’s streak.

Judges are very concerned about breaking someone’s streak.  If you do the O as a Reigning Mr. O you have the privilege to win, unless you are off and we havnt seen that since Sameer.


Paul L.

[bigmc]

Ronnie took the sport to another level even Dorian has said that

Dorian would have been top three but not first

[Atlantic]

The new Ronnie took the Sport to another level (2003 onwards) not the old Ronnie

[kyomu]

Nasser was comparable to Dorian from the from when Dorian was off (97) but not even close from the back

In 98 bodies like Ronnie and flex were favorable.  So that is why Nasser was 3rd

In 99 Nasser was a bit off.  And the battle was between Ronnie and Flex, but I think if Dorian would have showed up, he would have won and the Flex 2nd and Ronnie 3rd.  However in 2000 flex would have won. Hands down -although the competition would have been very close- cause the champ was gone and Ronnie was already Mr. O in 98.  So they would have given it to Flex with out breaking anyone’s streak.

Judges are very concerned about breaking someone’s streak.  If you do the O as a Reigning Mr. O you have the privilege to win, unless you are off and we havnt seen that since Sameer.


Paul L.

You are smokin crack too.
Mr Wheeler with no lat spread, soft glutes and hams and narrow pecs?
Gimme a break...

[kyomu]

And I know the people who attended that event and all said to me winner was ronnie.
I have video too.

[Parker]

Flex have short lat. No glutes striated. No intense hams.No wide chest.

Ronnie doesnt have that problem.

Nope, Flex's didn't have a great lat spread because he was  a lighter weight compared to his height on 5'10". Most Bodybuilder's at that height are pushing the 250+ limit. When you mean short,  I guess meant high, which Flex doesn't have. Flex did have striated glutes, whe he competed in 1993 (especially the Arnold). And his hams are some of the roundest in the bbing world.

[adipo8]

Nope, Flex's didn't have a great lat spread because he was  a lighter weight compared to his height on 5'10". Most Bodybuilder's at that height are pushing the 250+ limit. When you mean short,  I guess meant high, which Flex doesn't have. Flex did have striated glutes, whe he competed in 1993 (especially the Arnold). And his hams are some of the roundest in the bbing world.

Where Flex was is where Phil and Freeman are .... a combination of all three - shape , symmerty and size. It did not win over the judges and BB direction. Body parts are the winners now - not overall packages. It started with Dorian - "the back" - he was sub par in shape and then BAM  he would throw that foot down and show the calf and turn to the back and BAM  throw the back out - and every one would forget the names of everyone else.... TRUE STORY

Ronnie - continued the "TREND"

If Dorian was to keep competeing against those guys - Shape would of prevailed - they needed a New monster to take it on to the next level and Ronnie was that man  - He actually had shape back then - TRUE STORY

Now that he has lost alot of shape over the years - we are back to the crossroads again - SHOULD BE INTERESTING

[Jr. Yates]

we are back to the crossroads again - SHOULD BE INTERESTING

I think so too.

[the shadow]

actually there was rumour about his back in 1999 that yates really wanted to make a comeback.it was all over flex magazine in 1999.also yates also hinted that he really wanted to comeback in 2000 in flex magazine but that never happened though..

[RJB]

He would win since apparently judges prefer obvious injuries (Dorian, Ronnie) to better physiques as long as it's a defending Mr. O.

[IceCold]

do you mean if dorian competed at his best vs. ronnie in 99?

see the 'other thread' that has 360 pages regarding the subject.


p.s. ignore hulkster and pumpster's posts.  they are delusional.   

[Hulkster]

if there is one thread that Oliver...oops I mean ND will come back for,

ITS THIS ONE!
 



I agree with the above comments- shapely physiques were in vouge during that time.  That is part of why these three guys did so well.

Phyisques with this kind of shape:



would likely NOT have won the olympia at that point. And rightly so

ps this thread should be merged in with the 360 page thread, no?

[Man of Steel]

Very simple, if Dorian had competed in 1998 or 1999 he would've won the Olympia.   Current Mr. O's never lose the title in competition...only upon retirement are they no longer the "current Mr. Olympia"...then they're just a "former Mr. Olympia".

[pobrecito]

If Dorian didn't annouce his retirement in early 98 Coleman would have never ever won, becuase he never would have upped his drug dosage (obvious by the gyno). Knowing that the reigning Mr. Olympia is out completely changes your mindset and I guarantee you everyone in 98 was training harder and upping the dosage.

[Hulkster]

hard to say in 98 - dorian did look really really bad in 1997..

but by 99 ronnie would have destroyed Dorian in the prejudging.

anyone who has seen the prejudging 99 knows how incredible Ronnie looked hitting one controlled manatory after another.

He was 257 (like dorian) but had great shape and detail to boot.  dorian was generally lacking in these areas (abs and lower back sure, but arms, delts, chest, quads not really)

[pobrecito]

hard to say in 98 - dorian did look really really bad in 1997..

but by 99 ronnie would have destroyed Dorian in the prejudging.

anyone who has seen the prejudging 99 knows how incredible Ronnie looked hitting one controlled manatory after another.

He was 257 (like dorian) but had great shape and detail to boot.  dorian was generally lacking in these areas (abs and lower back sure, but arms, delts, chest, quads not really)

Dorian would have won in 98 on size alone, he would have had about 30lbs over Ronnie and Dorian's back was still ok in 97, that's the only reason he beat nazzer

[Hulkster]

Dorian would have won in 98 on size alone, he would have had about 30lbs over Ronnie and Dorian's back was still ok in 97, that's the only reason he beat nazzer

hmmm. is size enough to overcome this kind of pure quality?



dorian (other than the lower back) has never looked anything like this..

[pobrecito]

hmmm. is size enough to overcome this kind of pure quality?



dorian (other than the lower back) has never looked anything like this..

yes, size with a good back always wins over quality (e.g. 94)

[Hulkster]

but Ronnie practically had a better back..so would that still apply?

ie Dorian beat nasser because he had a better back, even if he was not as good from the front.

97 dorian would have been killed from the front and tied if not beaten from the back.

the same rules would not apply.

Ronnie 98 is no Shawn or Nasser.

[pobrecito]

but Ronnie practically had a better back..so would that still apply?

ie Dorian beat nasser because he had a better back, even if he was not as good from the front.

97 dorian would have been killed from the front and tied if not beaten from the back.

the same rules would not apply.

Ronnie 98 is no Shawn or Nasser.

size is really all the judges cared about, not quality. Yates' back would have drarfed Ronnie's in 98 if he decided to compete. With that being said, technically, Ronnie should win becuase he would be better overall. But after watching the 98 video, I think the gyno was really bad and really affected his front double bi horribly. I'm honestly shocked they didnt go with Flex on name alone. Also, I think it was pre-determined that Ronnie would win, how can you explain the fact that Lee Haney introduced Coleman yet did that for no one else

[Hulkster]

size is really all the judges cared about, not quality.

hence, my problem with some of dorian's "wins"..