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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2006, 09:15:53 PM »
LEE MUCUTCHIN ( Or how eva the F@#k you spell it) could do the Olympia ?? :D

P/S no disrespect on the name bro , just cant spell for shit thats all !! you know me !!

Munchkin.   ;D

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2006, 09:16:03 PM »
it would be a strange feeling i bet at the expo where Lee will be signing auto's and all his fans telling him that it Bullshit what the IFBB is doing to him....whether its right or not, the fans don't really give a shit...I do wonder if the same set of rules would have appied if Ronnie or Jay did the PDI show...Its not like rules are set in stone, Cutler proved that by simply stating he had a lawyer and was gonna fight it....Maybe Lee learned something from Cutler

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2006, 09:16:14 PM »
We suppose to be talking about all the great things that are going to happen at the o. How about is Ronnie gonna win it all or something like that. All I hear is , is Lee going to be suspended. Nobody gives a shit about that dude. The show will go on without him. You can go to all the other boards and they wont be talking about this.Nobody cares but the clowns on getbig

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2006, 09:18:21 PM »
IFBB Professional Rules

1.7 Non-sanctioned Competitions or Events:
Any Member, whether Athlete, Judge or Official, who participates in a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the Pro League may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation includes, but is not limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, judging, officiating, promoting, endorsing or otherwise taking part in any capacity whatsoever in a non-approved or non-sanctioned competition or event.

1.8 Membership in Other Organizations:
Once accepted as a Member of the Pro League, no Athlete, Judge or Official will hold membership in any other professional bodybuilding, fitness or figure organization; nor will that Member participate in, promote or endorse in any capacity whatsoever their activities, failing which the Member may be fined, suspended or expelled.


9.1 General:
Athletes, Judges, and Officials join the Pro League of their own free will doing, agree to abide by the Pro Rules. Should a Member contravene Rules, that Member is considered automatically suspended from the Pro thus prohibiting participation in any Pro League activity worldwide.

9.2 Failure to Abide:
Failure to abide by the Pro Rules will normally call for an investigation by an “ad hoc” Pro Disciplinary Committee. If a Member is found guilty of contravening the Pro Rules, including the Code of Ethics, or of conduct prejudicial to the Pro
League, that Member may be fined, suspended, or expelled.

9.6 Public Comments:
Public comments (including, but not limited to, those made via print publications, websites, public gatherings or other public forums) made by a Member of the Pro League against another Member of the Pro League, the Pro League itself, or the
sport in general, which are deemed personal, abusive, slanderous, libelous or prejudicial to the good image of the sport, are contrary to the Code of Ethics and will result in disciplinary measures being taken by the Pro League against the person responsible for the comments.

9.7 Protests:
The Pro League accepts that any Member has the right to protest a judging, disciplinary or other decision taken against that Member. However, the Pro League believes that all protests, regardless of the reason for the protest, must be carried out in a professional, courteous and respectful manner. Protests will be made in writing and will be forwarded to the Pro Committee. This Committee will investigate the protest, or cause the protest to be investigated, and will issue its findings within thirty days of the date of the Letter of Protest.

9.8 Complaints:
Any Member who believes that he or she has been wronged has the right to file a complaint in writing to the Pro Committee. The Pro Committee will investigate and will make a determination on the complaint within thirty days of the date of
the Letter of Complaint.

9.9 Prejudicial Conduct:
Prejudicial conduct is defined as any conduct that is demonstrably prejudicial to the Pro League, whether through gross malfeasance or egregious moral behavior. Any Member may be disciplined for prejudicial conduct.

9.10 Code of Ethics:
Disciplinary action may be taken against any Member who contravenes the Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules.

9.11 Provisional Suspensions:
Depending on the circumstances (e.g. severity of the offence), the Pro League may provisionally suspend an Athlete pending a hearing. In such cases, the hearing will be expedited.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2006, 09:19:39 PM »
Well..that wouldn't do you much good, as it's a competition, and there is no guarantee (m eaning, you couldn't prove in a court of law) that you would place in the money.

Other than that...I assume you can sell all the merchandise you like, etc......make a bundle, brother!
Well if am in my best shape with pics to prove and show pics of past shows and where i have placed in same or less condition it will all fall into place.And the list goes on

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2006, 09:20:08 PM »
I find Chick's rather smug attitude regarding this rather disgusting. Even while suspended Lee would be an IFBB athlete. I think IFBB athletes need individual representatives/agents instead of one because this one obviously is experiencing a conflict of interest for some reason.

It's got nothing to do with "smug"...I don't write the rules or enforce them, for that matter.

If Lee feels as though he's getting a "raw deal" (like Arnold)...he can hire a lawyer as is his constitutional right...theres nothing I can do for him.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2006, 09:20:56 PM »
Lee has a right to a hearing if he is suspended and if they suspend him now, the hearing would need to be before the Olympia, according to their own rules. Perhaps they will have e hearing before the Mr. Olympia where Lee may or not be suspended and he gets to say what he wants to say.


Article 10 – Hearings and Appeals

10.1 Hearings:
Except as indicated in Article 9.11, no Member may be subjected to disciplinary measures unless that Member is first given an opportunity to answer the alleged offence, whether in writing or in-person, at a hearing conducted by the Pro Committee. The Pro Committee may itself order that a hearing take place. The Member who is the subject of the hearing may present his or her submission in writing or in person as the case may be and may be represented by a person of his or her own choosing. The Pro Committee will consider the submission and decide upon the matter.

10.2 Appeals:
Any Member who is the subject of disciplinary measures as decided at a hearing of the Pro Committee may file a written appeal to the Pro League. The appeal must be submitted within ten (10) days of the date of the hearing decision, failing which the right of appeal is forfeited. A three-member panel shall decide the appeal. No person who voted at a hearing decision may sit on the appeal panel resulting from that same hearing.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2006, 09:21:12 PM »
IFBB Professional Rules

1.7 Non-sanctioned Competitions or Events:
Any Member, whether Athlete, Judge or Official, who participates in a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the Pro League may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation includes, but is not limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, judging, officiating, promoting, endorsing or otherwise taking part in any capacity whatsoever in a non-approved or non-sanctioned competition or event.

1.8 Membership in Other Organizations:
Once accepted as a Member of the Pro League, no Athlete, Judge or Official will hold membership in any other professional bodybuilding, fitness or figure organization; nor will that Member participate in, promote or endorse in any capacity whatsoever their activities, failing which the Member may be fined, suspended or expelled.


9.1 General:
Athletes, Judges, and Officials join the Pro League of their own free will doing, agree to abide by the Pro Rules. Should a Member contravene Rules, that Member is considered automatically suspended from the Pro thus prohibiting participation in any Pro League activity worldwide.

9.2 Failure to Abide:
Failure to abide by the Pro Rules will normally call for an investigation by an “ad hoc” Pro Disciplinary Committee. If a Member is found guilty of contravening the Pro Rules, including the Code of Ethics, or of conduct prejudicial to the Pro
League, that Member may be fined, suspended, or expelled.

9.6 Public Comments:
Public comments (including, but not limited to, those made via print publications, websites, public gatherings or other public forums) made by a Member of the Pro League against another Member of the Pro League, the Pro League itself, or the
sport in general, which are deemed personal, abusive, slanderous, libelous or prejudicial to the good image of the sport, are contrary to the Code of Ethics and will result in disciplinary measures being taken by the Pro League against the person responsible for the comments.

9.7 Protests:
The Pro League accepts that any Member has the right to protest a judging, disciplinary or other decision taken against that Member. However, the Pro League believes that all protests, regardless of the reason for the protest, must be carried out in a professional, courteous and respectful manner. Protests will be made in writing and will be forwarded to the Pro Committee. This Committee will investigate the protest, or cause the protest to be investigated, and will issue its findings within thirty days of the date of the Letter of Protest.

9.8 Complaints:
Any Member who believes that he or she has been wronged has the right to file a complaint in writing to the Pro Committee. The Pro Committee will investigate and will make a determination on the complaint within thirty days of the date of
the Letter of Complaint.

9.9 Prejudicial Conduct:
Prejudicial conduct is defined as any conduct that is demonstrably prejudicial to the Pro League, whether through gross malfeasance or egregious moral behavior. Any Member may be disciplined for prejudicial conduct.

9.10 Code of Ethics:
Disciplinary action may be taken against any Member who contravenes the Code of Ethics, which forms an integral part of the Pro Rules.

9.11 Provisional Suspensions:
Depending on the circumstances (e.g. severity of the offence), the Pro League may provisionally suspend an Athlete pending a hearing. In such cases, the hearing will be expedited.

Funny how Chick keeps forgetting that suspension isn't the only option. Lee could also be fined and allowed to compete.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2006, 09:23:57 PM »
Well if am in my best shape with pics to prove and show pics of past shows and where i have placed in same or less condition it will all fall into place.And the list goes on

Lee, seriously...you can't PROVE where you would have placed, when the entire judging system is based on opinion. You've also showed up and NOT placed in the money at the Olympia...Taking some pictures while NOT on the same stage as those you would have been compared against, would prove nothing.

I know what you're trying to say, but it doesn't work that way in the court of law...

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2006, 09:24:45 PM »
Lee, seriously...you can't PROVE where you would have placed, when the entire judging system is based on opinion. You've also showed up and NOT placed in the money at the Olympia...Taking some pictures while NOT on the same stage as those you would have been compared against, would prove nothing.

I know what you're trying to say, but it doesn't work that way in the court of law...

From the man that can't even follow the rules he is enjoying rubbing in Lee's face.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2006, 09:25:26 PM »
they have no other choice but to suspend Lee! this is a matter of self preservation.  If they don't then other atheletes will see it as a sign of approval to actively participate in the PDI.

it amazes me that Bob isn't suporting Lee on this. So much for being a Rep!!!!


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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2006, 09:26:29 PM »
So much for being a Rep!!!!






He's Manion's rep.
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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2006, 09:28:46 PM »
they have no other choice but to suspend Lee! this is a matter of self preservation.  If they don't then other atheletes will see it as a sign of approval to actively participate in the PDI.

it amazes me that Bob isn't suporting Lee on this. So much for being a Rep!!!!




Support him by doing what, exactly?


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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2006, 09:29:30 PM »
lol, someone just deleted the thread where they proved that Bob violated the rules and will not be suspended

Bob wouldn't do that  ::)

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2006, 09:29:44 PM »
they have no other choice but to suspend Lee! this is a matter of self preservation.  If they don't then other atheletes will see it as a sign of approval to actively participate in the PDI.

it amazes me that Bob isn't suporting Lee on this. So much for being a Rep!!!!




Why should he support him? Lee knows the rules. If he compete in the pdi, he will be suspended. End of fuking story. I see that some of you dislike Chick for other reasons but this bs has got to stop.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2006, 09:30:09 PM »


He's Manion's rep.

ok, thanks for clearing that up...now it makes sense. Sorry Bob for not understanding sooner.
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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2006, 09:30:40 PM »
It's got nothing to do with "smug"...I don't write the rules or enforce them, for that matter.

If Lee feels as though he's getting a "raw deal" (like Arnold)...he can hire a lawyer as is his constitutional right...theres nothing I can do for him.

Chic even you can tell your whole tone has changed since you have had egg thrown in your face.  Remember just one week ago how you could put up a good fight and arguement.  One week later and you can't defend anything.  And you advice you give Lee about hiring a lawyer cause you can't do anything for him is something you shoudl actually say to every IFBB Pro.  Your membership is going to be going down soon.  So maybe itwill be easier for you.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2006, 09:31:37 PM »
Why should he support him? Lee knows the rules. If he compete in the pdi, he will be suspended. End of fuking story. I see that some of you dislike Chick for other reasons but this bs has got to stop.

Read the rules. They could fine him instead. Also, in regards to the rules, not all of them are applied equally and it is this kind of hypocrisy that Lee is tired of.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2006, 09:32:38 PM »
Support him by doing what, exactly?



that is what Reps do!!! you pay a fee and your "rep" sticks up for it's members.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2006, 09:34:17 PM »
Read the rules. They could fine him instead. Also, in regards to the rules, not all of them are applied equally and it is this kind of hypocrisy that Lee is tired of.

I find it strange Lee is always being fined and in the hot seat all the time. Dont ya think

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2006, 09:35:37 PM »
I find it strange Lee is always being fined and in the hot seat all the time. Dont ya think

I do, but what is worse is that although there are clear infractions on the part of other members of the IFBB according to their code of conduct, that only Lee is held accountable.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2006, 09:35:52 PM »
Well..that wouldn't do you much good, as it's a competition, and there is no guarantee (m eaning, you couldn't prove in a court of law) that you would place in the money.

Actually, Bob, every athlete in the O, even those who place dead last, earn $4,000, right?

Monster irony that the measure you fought for, would be the same one that lee would use to nail them for suspending him.  Lee is guaranteed $4000 for stepping onstage at the Olympia.  Even if he doesn't diet and comes in last place.

So when you say 'there is no guarantee that you'd finish in the money', I'm not sure that's correct.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2006, 09:37:03 PM »
Why should he support him? Lee knows the rules. If he compete in the pdi, he will be suspended. End of fuking story. I see that some of you dislike Chick for other reasons but this bs has got to stop.

Oh god at least now Chic has Sgt Dick supporting him.  This validates everything everyone else is saying.  Sgt. you are hurting what reputation Chic has left.  Go play on the porno board I think they have a thread on animals.

In their own by-laws it states Lee is has a right to a hearing and can file an appeal.  If he wants to do the Olympia he can.  I promise he will place very low and someone please has a video recorder going with the sound up cause those 1000 people are going to make the noise of 5000.  It's going to be worth just going to see that.  But, I'll wait for it to hit cable.

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Re: Will Lee be suspended or not?
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2006, 09:39:14 PM »
Actually, Bob, every athlete in the O, even those who place dead last, earn $4,000, right?

Monster irony that the measure you fought for, would be the same one that lee would use to nail them for suspending him.  Lee is guaranteed $4000 for stepping onstage at the Olympia.  Even if he doesn't diet and comes in last place.

So when you say 'there is no guarantee that you'd finish in the money', I'm not sure that's correct.


Very good point Rob.  How about this Chic.  Lee go to KFC everyday from now on.