Will Lee be suspended or not?

[HRDCOR]

He won't be suspended....   he'll be fined the $20k he won in nyc                                           

I don't even think a fine from the IFBB Pro Division would hold up in a court of law, due to there OPEN wordings in there Rules !!!

I showed the Rules to a lawyer friend of mine (admittedly a NZ lawyer) and he said the interpretation of the rules and there wording are farcical and would breach Contractual laws and Employment laws here in NZ !!

He said a decent lawyer would have the IFBB scrambling for a out of court settlement with in 3 turns of correspondence over this matter !!!

 " For What it is Worth" hrdcor

[Chick]

A fine can only be imposed if Lee decided to pay it... If the IFBB did levy a fine, it could only be enforced IF Lee decided he wanted to come back and compete for the IFBB....If not..they're SOL.

[ramazon]

Yeah when do i get my letter or phone call? please do tell people would like to know.

Congratulations on winning a very controversial competition, Lee,
and liberating yourself yet again. You're a giant amongst hunchbacks. 
Backbone, baby.

[Lee_a_priest]

He doesn't...he relies on the President (Wayne/ now Jim) to run the federation. Of course his name will be on the suspention...he owns the federation.

Much like people that work for Microsft have Bill Gates' name on their checks...even though I'm sure Bill doesn't even know who his employees are, nor sign them personally.

So then why when i called Jim he couldn't give me a straight answer? instead of playing games this close to the Olympia?

[Stavios]

they will fuck you up Lee, you'll come there in the morning and they'll tell you you can't compete

[Lee_a_priest]

they will f**k you up Lee, you'll come there in the morning and they'll tell you you can't compete

Yeah i gathered that but hey that's cool.Courts start early morning too.So we can all meet on another day early before the judge.Not a problem.

[HRDCOR]

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they will f**k you up Lee, you'll come there in the morning and they'll tell you you can't compete                              

You would hope they are more professional in there approach to this than that ,(I mean just look at what JM said to lee , you cant tell me he couldnt make a call to BW and say ,hey what are we ganna do about lee ??) but I have a funny feeling you may just be right Stavios, I would like to be wrong though !!

[thisiskeith12]

Or they could have also come to the realization that it really doesn't matter. Manion could have gone to Weider about the rule and just said that it does need to be changed and do so.

[Chick]

So then why when i called Jim he couldn't give me a straight answer? instead of playing games this close to the Olympia?

Jim makes his recommendation to Ben...Ben consults with the IFBB lawyers. I would hope they give you an answer sooner rather than later, but I'd be prepared to wait it out as well.

It's out of Jim's hands at this time...

[Stavios]

You would hope they are more professional in there approach to this than that ,(I mean just look at what JM said to lee , you cant tell me he couldnt make a call to BW and say ,hey what are we ganna do about lee ??) but I have a funny feeling you may just be right Stavios, I would like to be wrong though !!

Sadly, I think it will happen

The IFBB has to be the most unprofessional organisation on earth

Shit, If you suspend a guy, at least tell him straight up! don't let him keep the diet for nothing !

[Lee_a_priest]

Jim makes his recommendation to Ben...Ben consults with the IFBB lawyers. I would hope they give you an answer sooner rather than later, but I'd be prepared to wait it out as well.

It's out of Jim's hands at this time...

Thanks Bob and yes i am prepeared i just hope they are .

[Chick]

Rock and Roll, my brother....

[Original Sin]

Chick,

Any word on Valentin Jabes?

Since he stepped on the stage with Lee at the NOC and he is planning on appearing in Atlantic City
shouldn't he face suspension as well?

If Jabes is allowed to step on the Atlantic stage can the IFBB even suspend Lee Priest?

So Lee one way or another you will have your future with the IFBB answered sooner the later.

[HRDCOR]

This is bullshit , you cant tell me JM cant talk to Ben about this and get a decision asap, and if there laws /rules were water tight why would they have to consult with lawyers , it should be as plane as black and white , there should be no hesitation on the suspension, it should have been handed down immediately , this just shows they have no idea where they stand , in fact JM should have been able to hand down the suspension himself , I mean whats his job title any how ??

[Original Sin]

This is bullshit , you cant tell me JM cant talk to Ben about this and get a decision asap, and if there laws /rules were water tight why would they have to consult with lawyers , it should be as plane as black and white , there should be no hesitation on the suspension, it should have been handed down immediately , this just shows they have no idea where they stand , in fact JM should have been able to hand down the suspension himself , I mean whats his job title any how ??

Actually Marc it is plain as black and white on this case.
The rule book you keep referring to has it clearly stated that all issues like this have to reviewed by the president and he has final say in the matter.  It is near the very front of the book 

[Chick]

Chick,

Any word on Valentin Jabes?

Since he stepped on the stage with Lee at the NOC and he is planning on appearing in Atlantic City
shouldn't he face suspension as well?

If Jabes is allowed to step on the Atlantic stage can the IFBB even suspend Lee Priest?

So Lee one way or another you will have your future with the IFBB answered sooner the later.

If Valentin were allowed to compete in the AC, Then Lee would be sittin pretty when it comes to HIS case...I would assume that Valentin will be suspended.

On the other hand...you're assuming that Lee will be suspended for the same thing. The IFBB could suspend lee for any number of infractions, not necessarily violating the non-compete rule.

I guess it depends on what strategy the IFBB is looking to for...

[Chick]

This is bullshit , you cant tell me JM cant talk to Ben about this and get a decision asap, and if there laws /rules were water tight why would they have to consult with lawyers , it should be as plane as black and white , there should be no hesitation on the suspension, it should have been handed down immediately , this just shows they have no idea where they stand , in fact JM should have been able to hand down the suspension himself , I mean whats his job title any how ??

I hear what you're saying, but the IFBB doesn't have anything in their own by-laws on what time frame they have to make a decision...they can give him an answer tomorrow, or wait until the athletes meeting on Thurs.

There could be many factors in why and when they decide to make a ruling.

[Original Sin]

If Valentin were allowed to compete in the AC, Then Lee would be sittin pretty when it comes to HIS case...I would assume that Valentin will be suspended.

On the other hand...you're assuming that Lee will be suspended for the same thing. The IFBB could suspend lee for any number of infractions, not necessarily violating the non-compete rule.

I guess it depends on what strategy the IFBB is looking to for...

Well if they don't suspend Lee and Valentin for the non competion clause this would set up a precident and the "dam would burst" so to speak.  This might actually even give the PDI a fighting chance.  

[Stavios]

If Valentin were allowed to compete in the AC, Then Lee would be sittin pretty when it comes to HIS case...I would assume that Valentin will be suspended.

On the other hand...you're assuming that Lee will be suspended for the same thing. The IFBB could suspend lee for any number of infractions, not necessarily violating the non-compete rule.

I guess it depends on what strategy the IFBB is looking to for...

I think it sucks
I hate the fact that the IFBB can make everything turned out how they want with their stupid rules

A LOT of bodybuilders brake those rules and aren't suspended

[HRDCOR]

Actually Marc it is plain as black and white on this case.
The rule book you keep referring to has it clearly stated that all issues like this have to reviewed by the president and he has final say in the matter.  It is near the very front of the book                                      

That being the case then all is not black and white as if it were Ben could have made a call almost imediatly , so they are obviously are trying to establish just where they stand on this matter legaly as it will be the fore runner to where Pro body building goes in the near future !!

[Original Sin]

That being the case then all is not black and white as if it were Ben could have made a call almost imediatly , so they are obviously are trying to establish just where they stand on this matter legaly as it will be the fore runner to where Pro body building goes in the near future !!

100% Correct

[onlyme]

He doesn't...he relies on the President (Wayne/ now Jim) to run the federation. Of course his name will be on the suspention...he owns the federation.

Much like people that work for Microsft have Bill Gates' name on their checks...even though I'm sure Bill doesn't even know who his employees are, nor sign them personally.

I've always loved your comparisons.  You are always trying to compare the raunchy methods of operations to major companies and organizations.  Football, baseball, basketball and others and now Microsoft.  Monster over-doing it.  But it sounds good.

[Vince B]

It seems to me the IFBB has lost the plot. The only contest that has big status in bodybuilding is the Olympia. All the others are nice but don't have the prestige. The IFBB should care less who puts on contests and should allow anyone to enter their shows. As soon as contracts are signed it all smacks of insider stuff. There are not enough big contests out there and if people want to promote bodybuilding then let others run or enter whatever they like. Look at the pickle Lee has caused! What is the IFBB going to do? The sensible thing to do is change the rules for professional bodybuilders who are independent contractors. You have to love the way the Weiders limit costs. They have always been like that. Remember when the prize money for the Olympia was $1,000? Now the promoters pay for prize money and not the IFBB. That is a nice trick, don't you think? The IFBB gets paid by the promoter and the promoter pays all the costs. The IFBB is right about one thing. Most bodybuilders are gutless and will co-operate just to make sure they get a chance at placing in a contest.

[honest]

The ifbb and court cases, didnt they disqualify Jay Cutler for diuretics once and then on the threat of legal action have to reinstate him and return his prize money, you have to be real careful here bob that the ifbb could end up on trial here, the whold drug issue and lack of testing and everthing could all end up here, in my opinion the reason why Priest isnt suspended yet is cause there is a huge can of worms that could be opened up here and the sport could get a black eye that it could never recover from.I have always wondered if someone can sue Mc Donalds for making you fat, how longs it going to be before an athlete sues the ifbb for having to take drugs to be competitive, never happen, i wouldnt put money on it not.

[Chick]

The ifbb and court cases, didnt they disqualify Jay Cutler for diuretics once and then on the threat of legal action have to reinstate him and return his prize money, you have to be real careful here bob that the ifbb could end up on trial here, the whold drug issue and lack of testing and everthing could all end up here, in my opinion the reason why Priest isnt suspended yet is cause there is a huge can of worms that could be opened up here and the sport could get a black eye that it could never recover from.I have always wondered if someone can sue Mc Donalds for making you fat, how longs it going to be before an athlete sues the ifbb for having to take drugs to be competitive, never happen, i wouldnt put money on it not.

Why do *I* have to be careful?? I don't run the IFBB, and I'm not responsible for what actions they take or don't take...If they allow athletes to compete elsewhere...great. If they don't...great. It wouldn't change much in the scheme of things anyway...the same guys that would consider competing elsewhere, would do it anyway.  Guys that wouldn't go elsewhere, still wouldn't.