Let's Play - IFBB Conflict on Interest on Lee

[Lee_a_priest]

I hate to say this but I agree.

Its to help all bodybuilders not just me you idiots.Jimmy yep you made a fortune from the IFBB i can see why your so happy.Enjoy my friend enjoy....

[Chick]

   
   


First off...it wasn't MY job to inform Lee...I did it because I wanted him to know ASAP, the address they sent it to was his last address, and even if it got forwarded, it could've taken 5-6 days to get to him.

There is no reason for him to be dieting, if he knows he wont be allowed to compete...(at least not for the Olympia). Lee is a friend of mine, I've offered my help to him if he should want it do prepare a response, or an appeal, etc....other than that, I'm afraid there's not too much I can do for him.

You guys act like this is a big shock, I informed Lee MONTHS ago, that this would be the consequence of his actions should he pursue competing in a non sanctioned show...Lee is all to aware of the rules, and has stated many times, that he didn't care...

If he wishes to try and take it to court...all the power to him, I don't care either way, nor do I believe it would change things to any great degree. My concern is making change within the organization, and getting proposals passed that will impact the largest number of athletes...


I will say this: I'm not quite sure what Lee's point is in all this. He's stated numerous times that he doesn't like the IFBB, doesn't like the Olympia, doesn't like Ben Weider, etc, etc....Then why fight to stay in a federation that he clearly dislikes, anyway??

He should be championing the cause for more people to follow him to the promised land, as he has blazed the path for them...If he truly believes the PDI is the way to go, then he should be supporting it with 100% of his efforts, not wasting time trying to get rules changed that have been in place (and we all agree to by way of signing up every year) for 40 years.

For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....

[JediKnight]

Lee,,,why do you have to call us idiots,,for voicing my(our) opinion on your legal fund for whoever. Cmon now

[Lee_a_priest]

OH Bob did you see whos name was on my suspension letter AGAIN? Or is it really JIM Manion.You said last time it was Wayne doing it and Ben wouldn't really know.So i guess this time it is Jim who couldn't answer me when i called.

[G o a t b o y]

For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going...

What about third-tier guys like you, Bob? 


Seriously...  if 1.7 didn't exist, and any athlete could have done the NOC with no repercussions, you don't think a lot more guys (who were in shape around this time anyway for the Olympia) wouldn't have taken a shot at a $20k payday?

[Chick]

Does it really matter, Lee?

[gordiano]

That IFBB logo kills me!

I know, and yet underneath it, it reads "professional league".....

[Chick]

What about third-tier guys like you, Bob? 


Seriously...  if 1.7 didn't exist, and any athlete could have done the NOC with no repercussions, you don't think a lot more guys (who were in shape around this time anyway for the Olympia) wouldn't have taken a shot at a $20k payday?

No, I don't believe one guy entering the Olympia would have competed in the NOC...for a variety of reasons. 1. It was a circus 2. Most of them don't like or trust Wayne 3. Not enough money, etc

[gordiano]

What about third-tier guys like you, Bob? 


Seriously...  if 1.7 didn't exist, and any athlete could have done the NOC with no repercussions, you don't think a lot more guys (who were in shape around this time anyway for the Olympia) wouldn't have taken a shot at a $20k payday?

C'mon, the IFBB would have still found a way to discourage their pros from competing. You know, the judging isn't always fair to begin with, now imagine being one of the guys who competed somewhere else........

[dorkeroo]

   
   


First off...it wasn't MY job to inform Lee...I did it because I wanted him to know ASAP, the address they sent it to was his last address, and even if it got forwarded, it could've taken 5-6 days to get to him.

There is no reason for him to be dieting, if he knows he wont be allowed to compete...(at least not for the Olympia). Lee is a friend of mine, I've offered my help to him if he should want it do prepare a response, or an appeal, etc....other than that, I'm afraid there's not too much I can do for him.

You guys act like this is a big shock, I informed Lee MONTHS ago, that this would be the consequence of his actions should he pursue competing in a non sanctioned show...Lee is all to aware of the rules, and has stated many times, that he didn't care...

If he wishes to try and take it to court...all the power to him, I don't care either way, nor do I believe it would change things to any great degree. My concern is making change within the organization, and getting proposals passed that will impact the largest number of athletes...


I will say this: I'm not quite sure what Lee's point is in all this. He's stated numerous times that he doesn't like the IFBB, doesn't like the Olympia, doesn't like Ben Weider, etc, etc....Then why fight to stay in a federation that he clearly dislikes, anyway??

He should be championing the cause for more people to follow him to the promised land, as he has blazed the path for them...If he truly believes the PDI is the way to go, then he should be supporting it with 100% of his efforts, not wasting time trying to get rules changed that have been in place (and we all agree to by way of signing up every year) for 40 years.

For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....

I have to say that although I disagree with you on a few points, this is one of the most professional things I have seen you post on here. Keep this up and you might get respected a bit more by the fans of bodybuilding. Well done Bob.

[JMentis]

Its to help all bodybuilders not just me you idiots.Jimmy yep you made a fortune from the IFBB i can see why your so happy.Enjoy my friend enjoy....

Lee,

My post has nothing to do about you receiving financial "help" from others. Lee you are in a situation here to change alot of things. All you need is one attorney that "get's it". At that point i don't think he would be worrying about funds. The case in itself would "pot luck" for him. I totally understand your side and I myself do not agree with certain things within the IFBB. Remember, I have been involved with the IFBB since 1984. So I have alot more history here and have seen many person, places, and things take place. I do not understand how you would state that I have made a fortune from the IFBB. Please do not take my post as a negative towards your decision for crossing over to the PDI. I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.

[the choad]

i have a 100 spot to donate to this good cause..

[gary67]

Bob is a coward and disgrace to his job.

He should be the one starting that website. He should rallying the troops and kicking this fight into high gear *no pun intended*

Bob, we are calling you out. "Stand up and do your job"

He is doing his job. Can you name a better IFBB kiss ass Sorry my bad i forgot about Shawn

[DonDan]

No, I don't believe one guy entering the Olympia would have competed in the NOC...for a variety of reasons. 1. It was a circus 2. Most of them don't like or trust Wayne 3. Not enough money, etc

Bob how many bb's are competing in the Mr. O? Now, how many are not? That's how many may have a chance to make $20K. And guess what Bob, that includes you. You're answers are not answers. They're your same old tired rhetoric. Change the song. I think the real deal is that you're pissed that when Lee prevails in court and effecively wipes out 1.7 he will be doing more for the athletes in one swipe than you've done in your entire tenure as so called athletes rep.

[G o a t b o y]

I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.

If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned.  I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest...  this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone.  It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? 

[dorkeroo]

If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned.  I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest...  this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone.  It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? 

Bad year for the IFBB I think 

[JMentis]

If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned.  I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest...  this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone.  It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? 

True, but I feel if he's going to pursue this he should do this a little different.

[Lee_a_priest]

Does it really matter, Lee?

Hey you were the one who went on about it being Wayne  OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN...

[Chick]

Bob how many bb's are competing in the Mr. O? Now, how many are not? That's how many may have a chance to make $20K. And guess what Bob, that includes you. You're answers are not answers. They're your same old tired rhetoric. Change the song. I think the real deal is that you're pissed that when Lee prevails in court and effecively wipes out 1.7 he will be doing more for the athletes in one swipe than you've done in your entire tenure as so called athletes rep.

You might have a point, if not for a few things....

Another federation will only help those NOT making a dime in the IFBB...IF and only IF, everyone is NOT allowed to compete....

If the 1st tier guys decide to compete there...THEY will make the money. Lets say none of the first tier guys go...Lets say the second tier guys go and compete, then THEY will make all the money.

Basically, the only way the lower tier guys can make any prize money, etc...is if everyone ahead of them DOESN'T compete....

The best case senario for the PDI, is to try and reach a different market, as the one currently supporting the IFBB is only interested in seeing the best bodybuilders in the world...

[Lee_a_priest]

Lee,

My post has nothing to do about you receiving financial "help" from others. Lee you are in a situation here to change alot of things. All you need is one attorney that "get's it". At that point i don't think he would be worrying about funds. The case in itself would "pot luck" for him. I totally understand your side and I myself do not agree with certain things within the IFBB. Remember, I have been involved with the IFBB since 1984. So I have alot more history here and have seen many person, places, and things take place. I do not understand how you would state that I have made a fortune from the IFBB. Please do not take my post as a negative towards your decision for crossing over to the PDI. I just feel that you are in a powerful position and by making this a "circus act" by asking for money via a thread would just discredit the situation. If funds need to be raised I feel they should be raised under a different senario...this is just my opinion.

I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....

Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.

[Miss Karen]

Even if he wins in court he will lose every IFBB show he ever enters again,the judges are waiting and well informed who gets what.

[JMentis]

I didnt ask for the site it was done by the person.I know a lawyer who sees merit in the case who will take it with no mney up front....

Lee
So i didn't start the site or ask.

So, was I wrong? LOL

[Vince B]

Bob, you make a very poor union man. The more you post the worse you look.

[Chick]

Bob, you make a very poor union man. The more you post the worse you look.

Nobody asked your opinion....

[bbinsider]

Even if he wins in court he will lose every IFBB show he ever enters again,the judges are waiting and well informed who gets what.

If Lee wins. Kiss the current IFBB officials goodnight. Some may go to jail and some might hit the mountains. Things will be different.