Let's Play - IFBB Conflict on Interest on Lee

[dorkeroo]

Nobody asked your opinion....

Darn it Bob you were doing well sticking to the issues and not responding to personal attacks.

[JKDMan]

If he has more money available for this, he can get more/better lawyers to get 1.7 overturned.  I don't know why anyone's giving him shit about starting a legal war chest...  this isn't about Lee... it's about breaking the IFBB's stranglehold on the athletes and making things better for everyone.  It's not like Lee killed his roommate, burned her body in the trunk of his Jaguar, got arrested, and asked people to support his defense, is it? 

So how much have you donated, Daddy Warbucks? You should be first in line to give at least a grand if you believe needs the money so badly.

[Vince B]

Look, Bob, I am already trying to help Goodrum. God knows the poor bugger can't help himself. Maybe you might need my help next? I have nothing better to do, anyway.

[dorkeroo]

Look, Bob, I am already trying to help Goodrum. God knows the poor bugger can't help himself. Maybe you might need my help next? I have nothing better to do, anyway.

I know bugger is used casually but man if one thinks about what it REALLY means, that is not a nice thing to say lol

[bbinsider]

   
   


First off...it wasn't MY job to inform Lee...I did it because I wanted him to know ASAP, the address they sent it to was his last address, and even if it got forwarded, it could've taken 5-6 days to get to him.

There is no reason for him to be dieting, if he knows he wont be allowed to compete...(at least not for the Olympia). Lee is a friend of mine, I've offered my help to him if he should want it do prepare a response, or an appeal, etc....other than that, I'm afraid there's not too much I can do for him.

You guys act like this is a big shock, I informed Lee MONTHS ago, that this would be the consequence of his actions should he pursue competing in a non sanctioned show...Lee is all to aware of the rules, and has stated many times, that he didn't care...

If he wishes to try and take it to court...all the power to him, I don't care either way, nor do I believe it would change things to any great degree. My concern is making change within the organization, and getting proposals passed that will impact the largest number of athletes...


I will say this: I'm not quite sure what Lee's point is in all this. He's stated numerous times that he doesn't like the IFBB, doesn't like the Olympia, doesn't like Ben Weider, etc, etc....Then why fight to stay in a federation that he clearly dislikes, anyway??

He should be championing the cause for more people to follow him to the promised land, as he has blazed the path for them...If he truly believes the PDI is the way to go, then he should be supporting it with 100% of his efforts, not wasting time trying to get rules changed that have been in place (and we all agree to by way of signing up every year) for 40 years.

For arguments sake...even if the rule got reversed, and everyone could compete wherever the wanted to...how many athletes do you think would go? None that wouldn't consider going now, anyway...The top guys aren't going, the second tier guys aren't going, the athletes that hate/ distrust Wayne aren't going...that leaves the guys who aren't placing/ making money in the IFBB now...who are the same guys that have nothing to lose by going now.....

Chick, isn't it really your job to inform any IFBB pro information coming from the head office. You are the Athlete's rep representing aren't you?

[Vince B]

From where I am in the dark, removed and uninformed, it appears the 3 stooges of Getbig are Bob, Goodrum and Weinberger! Bob is the smart one but not by much. The beautiful thing was that they were all totally oblivious of their own shortcomings and hence the humour.

[newmom]

wow no retainer for a lawyer..thats cool...

ya know there are/were numerous people posting fuck the ifbb and such, i dont think its a bad idea for lee to post the website..every little bit helps..

it will be interesting to see what happens and y are they having the hearing in canada

[Chick]

Chick, isn't it really your job to inform any IFBB pro information coming from the head office. You are the Athlete's rep representing aren't you?

No...that info has to come from the main office (Ben), or the Pres. (Jim)...I only posted it as a courtesy to Lee, so that he could be informed as soon as possible. The Official notification has to be mailed.

[Miss Karen]

Basile you are from Canada why not hook up with some of the old time boys and help Lee out.You know,a little call to uncle Ben.

[HRDCOR]

No...that info has to come from the main office (Ben), or the Pres. (Jim)...I only posted it as a courtesy to Lee, so that he could be informed as soon as possible. The Official notification has to be mailed.                                  

Thats you to a T Chic always putting people before yourself and always having your charges interests at heart  

[Vince B]

Bob, do you think we are the great unwashed here? Do you think all bodybuilders are stupid and uneducated? Well, some of us can read and from what you post it is clear that you are not representing Lee and never have in this issue. You are nothing more than a rubber stamp of the IFBB. You are saving your own neck and could care less about Lee. You merely say, "I told you do". Like I said, you aren't any union man. The only thing you can count on is that other bodybuilders love it when competition is reduced. It ups their chances for a higher placing.

[bbinsider]

No...that info has to come from the main office (Ben), or the Pres. (Jim)...I only posted it as a courtesy to Lee, so that he could be informed as soon as possible. The Official notification has to be mailed.

"As soon as possible" would be a phone call directly to Lee, correct?

[Beener]

I'm not talking about what Lee has done.  It's they other business methods the IFBB uses to do business.  They have made many millions of dollars without paying taxes (US).  They may paid Canadian but they money they have made has been from the US and no matter what Uncle wants his share.  And the promotion of Steroid use is also going to come out.  The courts are going to ask about the drug testing.  They are going to ask for recent and past drug tests and how often they are administered.

So you WANT them to start testing for steroids?!?! THAT is what would ruin this sport, not the IFBB.

And quite frankly, some tiny ass case over Lee being suspended wont bring any newspapers lookin at the steroid issues of bodybuilding or anyting. Nobody but us cares, sorry to say.

[newmom]

how funny (not in a bad way) would it be at the o if the audiences chanted "lee" or "pdi" while he is signing autographs and at the twinlab booth

now please dont confuse that i hate the ifbb or anything i just think it would be funny

[SteelePegasus]

Thats you to a T Chic always putting people before yourself and always having your charges interests at heart  

you can't blame Bob, the eating is good in the big house

he has abandoned his brothers working in the fields for a few scraps from the "masa's plate"

[DonDan]

You might have a point, if not for a few things....

Another federation will only help those NOT making a dime in the IFBB...IF and only IF, everyone is NOT allowed to compete....

If the 1st tier guys decide to compete there...THEY will make the money. Lets say none of the first tier guys go...Lets say the second tier guys go and compete, then THEY will make all the money.

Basically, the only way the lower tier guys can make any prize money, etc...is if everyone ahead of them DOESN'T compete....

The best case senario for the PDI, is to try and reach a different market, as the one currently supporting the IFBB is only interested in seeing the best bodybuilders in the world...

Bob, that made some sense. But, again you've zero'd in on the PDI and the central issue. I believe the central issue would be a competition and prize money NOT the alphabet that it's being held under. Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Moneybags has no affialtion whatso ever with any federation but he has pockets full of money. As a hobby, he rather likes expos and bodybuilding. So he decides to put on a show. A show that's open to all pro's of any federation. Top prize $50 second place $30K third place $20K. That's $100k in total prize money. Would you not agree that this would be a good thing for athletes of any federation to enter? There's only one problem. As you know, there are several federations in existance and it's nearly impossible to coordinate event scheduals. Therefore, there will be several federations that have their events on the same date and seeing that no one could be in 2 places at the same time, that means opportunities for some who have not committed to compete elsewhere. As I keep saying, this is a winning situation for the athletes. Not just the IFBB, not just the PDI, not just the XYZ but all athletes. Remember, Mr. Moneybags has no ties to any alphabets, he's just a business man looking to make money. All he has to do is make it lucrative enough to entice some top level athletes who have not yet committed to competing elsewhere. Like I said. It's a win win.

[Chick]

Bob, do you think we are the great unwashed here? Do you think all bodybuilders are stupid and uneducated? Well, some of us can read and from what you post it is clear that you are not representing Lee and never have in this issue. You are nothing more than a rubber stamp of the IFBB. You are saving your own neck and could care less about Lee. You merely say, "I told you do". Like I said, you aren't any union man. The only thing you can count on is that other bodybuilders love it when competition is reduced. It ups their chances for a higher placing.

What did you expect me to do in "representing " lee?

Just how am I "saving my neck"? Saving my neck from what?

As usual...STFU about issues you don't have the first clue about.

[240 is Back]

Another federation will only help those NOT making a dime in the IFBB...IF and only IF, everyone is NOT allowed to compete....

If the 1st tier guys decide to compete there...THEY will make the money. Lets say none of the first tier guys go...Lets say the second tier guys go and compete, then THEY will make all the money.

Basically, the only way the lower tier guys can make any prize money, etc...is if everyone ahead of them DOESN'T compete....

So the top guys would make more money.  Is there a prob with that?  More money to pro bodybuilders.  Where does the problem lie?   You rep tier 1,2,3,4 guys, right?  Why cockblock Cutler or melvin from earning a little change?

[Chick]

Bob, that made some sense. But, again you've zero'd in on the PDI and the central issue. I believe the central issue would be a competition and prize money NOT the alphabet that it's being held under. Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Moneybags has no affialtion whatso ever with any federation but he has pockets full of money. As a hobby, he rather likes expos and bodybuilding. So he decides to put on a show. A show that's open to all pro's of any federation. Top prize $50 second place $30K third place $20K. That's $100k in total prize money. Would you not agree that this would be a good thing for athletes of any federation to enter? There's only one problem. As you know, there are several federations in existance and it's nearly impossible to coordinate event scheduals. Therefore, there will be several federations that have their events on the same date and seeing that no one could be in 2 places at the same time, that means opportunities for some who have not committed to compete elsewhere. As I keep saying, this is a winning situation for the athletes. Not just the IFBB, not just the PDI, not just the XYZ but all athletes. Remember, Mr. Moneybags has no ties to any alphabets, he's just a business man looking to make money. All he has to do is make it lucrative enough to entice some top level athletes who have not yet committed to competing elsewhere. Like I said. It's a win win.

I know what you're saying, bro..but you have to look at the obvious.

If "Mr. Moneybags" wanteed to put on a show..he could do it at any time. There's no law preventing an entrapenure from having his own show....if the money was good enough, athletes would come...don't know about the top athletes, but some athletes would compete (the same one's who just opted to compete for the PDI...

Years ago, when the WBF came to town...thats exactly what happened. Vince McMahon offered guaranteed contracts, athletes defected...made a shitload of money, federation folded.

Believe me, "Mr. Moneybags" are few and far between...even people with big bucks want a return on a dollar...thats why they have big bucks.

Fan support, longevity, and more importantly...supp company support, is what will make a federation successful...and athletes interested in joining it.

[Vince B]

There is something that supports Lee's argument and it precedes the Mr Olympia contest. If you read back you will find that Joe and Ben stated the Olympia to have a contest for guys who had won the top titles. The top titles there were the various Mr Universe titles. IFBB and NABBA in England. The Olympia is supposed to be for guys who have won top titles. Period. All those rules are nonsense and go against the spirit of the Mr Olympia title. The fact that Lee won a major title qualifies him for the Olympia under historic rules.

I guess Ben, who has an honourary PhD, and who is an expert in Napoleon couldn't be accused of running the IFBB like a dictator. The life presidency was merely to protect the organization from unworthy individuals like Serge Nubret. So Ben did a noble thing and perhaps had a moral duty because bodybuilding is good for nation building.

[Chick]

So the top guys would make more money.  Is there a prob with that?  More money to pro bodybuilders.  Where does the problem lie?   You rep tier 1,2,3,4 guys, right?  Why cockblock Cutler or melvin from earning a little change?

You're assuming a great deal of factors...

That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.

That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)

That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....

That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't. 

[HRDCOR]

In all honesty I do think that Chick could have done sweet FA in this case and he is presenting the change in this ruling to be heard , I believe to sole ownus of this dilemma is the IFBB with there strong hold on the Pro division and there hypocrisy in there rulings !!!

So dont get to nasty on Chic , although I would hope he would have expressed his concern over the suspencion of one of his most famous charges to the powers that be !!!

[Vince B]

You know, the unmentioned issue behind this mess is that the IFBB booted one of their own out and now he is trying to re-establish himself. Moral? Beware of the IFBB. DeMilia, Oliva, WWE boys, Priest, the list goes on. Don't mess with the IFBB.

[theworm]

Why is everyone bashing Bob.


Was he the one who violated his contract?  

[240 is Back]

You're assuming a great deal of factors...

That athletes the calliber of Jay, Melvin, etc would actually want to compete for another fed.

That there is enough fan interest to support more than one fed. (IMO, there clearly is not)

That there is enough supp company interest and ROI, to support another fed (see above) as evidenced by the lack of both at the NOC....

That the athletes would want to work for Wayne...they don't. 

your logic is flawed, and i think you know it too.

If top half guys want to do it and clean up all the cash, fine. More money in IFBB guys' pockets.

If top half guys decline and lower half guys do it and get all the money, fine.  More money in the IFBB guys' pockets.

And no offense, but Wayne looks like a big bowl of cherries to guys that haven't won a penny in two year of competing in the IFBB  You're forgetting that you have a BBing.com contract and don't starve like some of these guys.  Guys are hungry.  Raising O prize money doesn't work, cause the same 4 are at the top anyway to feel all the money to go with their weider deals, and in order to qualify at the O, you have to get past things like King stealing 4th at the Montreal.

Fact is, guys are broke, bob.  They want to earn money.  why block em?