Let's Play - IFBB Conflict on Interest on Lee

[onlyme]

Not sufficient drug testing. 
Making money in America and not paying US taxes.
Controlling members lives and ways to make a living without providing any kind of compensation
Same Judges at the big shows all the time.
Providing no Health Insurance coverage while on photoshoots
Theres more but gotta think just woke up

[mrsirjojo]

Not sufficient drug testing. 
Making money in America and not paying US taxes.
Controlling members lives and ways to make a living without providing any kind of compensation
Same Judges at the big shows all the time.
Providing no Health Insurance coverage while on photoshoots
Theres more but gotta think just woke up

What about the IFBB's ownership of the Olympia while also holding some pro's contracts, who compete in it? Is that accurate?

[onlyme]

Also, not actually promoting any shows.  Yet require prize money to paid up front.  Another thing that is bogus is how the IFBB and Manion would gurantee the prize money.  That is a bogus and false statement to make them look good.  What they do is cancel a show giving all type of excuses of why it was cancelled.  It could veyr be a lack of funds but in reality thatlack of funds could mean the prize money coudln't be paid and thus the IFBB would have to pay.  It is an item that has 100% no reality yet they put it in to show the pros they care and are there for them. What a bunch of bullshit.  The IFBB takes credit for everything as does Weider.  Yet when something bad goes down they are no where to be found.

[dr.chimps]

I think any good business lawyer would have a field day with a copy of the contract the competitors have to sign for the Olympia, especially in regards, off the top of my head, to foregoing their monetary and proprietary rights to any pictures, videos, or other media . Just a farkin' indentured labour scam. They need to die in a fire.

[onlyme]

I think any good business lawyer would have a field day with a copy of the contract the competitors have to sign for the Olympia, especially in regards, off the top of my head, to foregoing their monetary and proprietary rights to any pictures, videos, or other media . Just a farkin' indentured labour scam. They need to die in a fire.

Absoultely.  That is one of the lamest contracts ever.  I think maybe Chic put that together.

[mrsirjojo]

Also, not actually promoting any shows.  Yet require prize money to paid up front.  Another thing that is bogus is how the IFBB and Manion would gurantee the prize money.  That is a bogus and false statement to make them look good.  What they do is cancel a show giving all type of excuses of why it was cancelled.  It could veyr be a lack of funds but in reality thatlack of funds could mean the prize money coudln't be paid and thus the IFBB would have to pay.  It is an item that has 100% no reality yet they put it in to show the pros they care and are there for them. What a bunch of bullshit.  The IFBB takes credit for everything as does Weider.  Yet when something bad goes down they are no where to be found.

Right, so like when the Toronoto Pro was cancelled, the guys preparing for it were left SOL.

[mrsirjojo]

Absoultely.  That is one of the lamest contracts ever.  I think maybe Chic put that together.

See, if every competitor were paid something, I can see how they could have no rights defense when their likeness is used, from the Olympia. A movie studio can use Tom Cruise's image to promote a movie all they want, because he was a paid to do the film, and his image (from the film only) would then be owned by that studio. Similarly, the guys in the NFL are paid to play in the superbowl, so their image, in the Superbowl, belongs to whoever bought those rights.

[Jr. Yates]

Right, so like when the Toronoto Pro was cancelled, the guys preparing for it were left SOL.

That is horse shit! they can get away with anything.

[Beener]

What the fuck?!? Why do people keep bringing up DRUG TESTING. like holy FUCK it'd ruin the sport, you dumb fucks. Just go watch some Tennis if you want drug testing. Christ.

Also , wtf is the point of all this shit? Its about the IFBB suspending Lee (with good reason, it was in his CONTRACT) and its not gonna be about anything else the IFBB does.

You arent all Davids eh.

[Woten]

Weider Bros being major shareholders in anal lube, knee pad and AIDS medication companies

[G o a t b o y]

Restraint of trade/ anti-trust:  If they can find just one employee or former employee of a supplement company to testify that the IFBB threatened them with losing sponsorship or advertising opportunities if they gave an athlete a contract/ didn't put pressure on an athlete/ supported the PDI/ etc, then it's "game over" for the IFBB, big-time.

[240 is Back]

Right, so like when the Toronoto Pro was cancelled, the guys preparing for it were left SOL.

"You already got your plane ticket?  Sorry, brother.  Make lemonade.  Sometimes you get the elevator, sometimes you get Dennis Wolf's O qualification.  Sometimes you get the shaft, sometimes you get Rusty's trophy".

[CQ]

To me the biggest one is the fact that an IFBB pro has competed in a rival organisation before, and *not* been suspended whatsoever. They actually won a small amount of prize money in the show. This occurred a few years ago - 2003 maybe? They soon after competed in an IFBB sanctioned show.

I assume it was mostly because the individual was not a big name at all [never placed in the top 10 ever], probably the IFBB was unaware, or maybe because it was a female which is not the 'money making' division.

If I was his lawyers, I would research that scenario and point that out. I mean what can they do, retroactively ban the person? They set a precedent for the exact same thing that Lee did, and the precendent was that you can compete in a rival org with no repurcussions.

[mrsirjojo]

"Sometimes you get the shaft, sometimes you get Rusty's trophy".

You gotta use that under your avatar. Classic.

[sgt. d]

What the f**k?!? Why do people keep bringing up DRUG TESTING. like holy f**k it'd ruin the sport, you dumb fucks. Just go watch some Tennis if you want drug testing. Christ.

Also , wtf is the point of all this shit? Its about the IFBB suspending Lee (with good reason, it was in his CONTRACT) and its not gonna be about anything else the IFBB does.

You arent all Davids eh.

I agree................... ........................ ...................

[HOSTILE]

having judges that JUDGE employees....in shows!.
no names of course!

[jwb]

The ONLY way to bring down the IFBB is through the money...

They are a canadian company that makes the majority of their money in the united states and that money is then filtered back to canada somehow...

You can't tell me they are paying the right amount -or any- of tax to the united states government each year...

Get the IRS onto their asses and they'd be toast.

[mrsirjojo]

having judges that JUDGE employees....in shows!.
no names of course!

That gets to the heart of the matter though. Are the BBs employees or independent contractors?

[mrsirjojo]

So there we all were, summing up some key IFBB conflicts on interest for Lee's lawyer, when whoosh, it disappeared. How is discussing the fact that the IFBB may have several conflicts of interest in BB a reason to delete a thread?

[Lee_a_priest]

Restraint of trade/ anti-trust:  If they can find just one employee or former employee of a supplement company to testify that the IFBB threatened them with losing sponsorship or advertising opportunities if they gave an athlete a contract/ didn't put pressure on an athlete/ supported the PDI/ etc, then it's "game over" for the IFBB, big-time.

Yeah Dan at Fizogen Manion talk to him.Hope Dan would speak up but problay not.If he dose lie about it, I say don't buy his products.He told me they were maybe not going to run his adds and even take his products out of GNC which Jim helped to get in there and so forth.So he said Lee i would like to sponsor you but i can't afford to loose money and it's about making money.... so that's that.

[El_Spiko]

Yeah Dan at Fizogen Manion talk to him.Hope Dan would speak up but problay not.If he dose lie about it, I say don't buy his products.He told me they were maybe not going to run his adds and even take his products out of GNC which Jim helped to get in there and so forth.So he said Lee i would like to sponsor you but i can't afford to loose money and it's about making money.... so that's that.

You should get BSN to sponsor you. They can't ban Ronnie's sponsor from IFBB events

[HRDCOR]

Rumor has it ( and it state rumor as I have only heard from second hand , so it is just hear say) that the IFBB through its varied Representatives have made similar threats to company's whom spend big money with them that if they show a allegiance to any other federation they will use there influences in the industry to have them loose accountants and thus income !!!

I repeat Just what I have heard !!

Actually the NZFBB president tried to persuade members not to frequent my stores when I exposed there miss operating of funds and there huge dept they had got themselves in via poor management, this backfired on him as my support far out weighed his influence !!

[Lift Studios]

Rumor has it ( and it state rumor as I have only heard from second hand , so it is just hear say) that the IFBB through its varied Representatives have made similar threats to company's whom spend big money with them that if they show a allegiance to any other federation they will use there influences in the industry to have them loose accountants and thus income !!!

I repeat Just what I have heard !!

Actually the NZFBB president tried to persuade members not to frequent my stores when I exposed there miss operating of funds and there huge dept they had got themselves in via poor management, this backfired on him as my support far out weighed his influence !!

I heard pigs can fly. 

[willie mosconi]

Lee, learn how to spell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[G o a t b o y]

I heard pigs can fly. 

Lift... 

have you ever threatened sponsors on the IFBB's behalf?  You seem like just the kind of loyal ass-kisser they would use.  If so, consider testifying on Lee's behalf.  You could be an important part of bringing down the IFBB monopoly!  If not, does it bother you that despite your endless ball-licking, they still don't trust you enough to ask you to do their dirty work?