WTF is up with the small shows?

[SWOLETRAIN]

The Atlantic City Pro could have really been a pretty good show if it was promoted right. I can't believe that they turned down a free webcast from bodybuilding.com   The IFBB should regulate the shows in which they put their name on. The Atlantic City Pro is one of the last Olympia qualifers!!!!!  This should be a hyped show!!!! C-mon... Ive seen more publicity for local NPC shows. Whats up with the smaller shows? They are not giving bodybuilding the amount of publicity necessary for proper growth of the sport. Pros are Pros and there are other shows out there besides the O. I just don't get it?

[G o a t b o y]

The IFBB seems to let just anyone promote a show, so as a result a lot of them are really half-assed.

[youandme]

 
Yeah you would think so,huh.

Maybe they had alot of local publicity? Anyone know cause BBing.comoffered free webcast they could have gotten the name out and built something for themselves

[jmt1]

yes they did a poor job promoting this show.

couldnt even find a competitors list...if i knew some of those guys were competing i would have drove over there....that list should have been put up on their website for the show and posted on all the boards...it wasnt.

have no idea why they would turn down a free webcast for the show....maybe they were thinking if there was a webcast it would discourage some people to buy tickets because they would watch it online for free instead...dont know.

[SWOLETRAIN]

You think one would figure...... The more publicity a show gets, the more $$$$ there will be for profits and most importantly the athletes. We need another major show. The Ironman and the Colorado Pro are like the only worthy small shows around. The rest are a joke.

[G o a t b o y]

Maybe they had alot of local publicity?

Whether they fill their venue with locals or not is beside the point.  There are bodybuilding fans all over the world, and if the IFBB wants the sport to grow, they need to promote it. The web and webcasts provide a cost-effective way to do that.  The value to the promoters is this:  since the number of people watching increases exponentially, the advertising value to the sponsors also increases.  That's where the money in real sports comes from:  broadcasting and advertising.  The money coming from the asses in seats at the venue is not even close to being the primary income source.  This could be even more important to a sport like bodybuilding, where you never have enough fans in one place at one time to fill much of a venue. Yet what do these shortsighted fools choose to focus on?  Local ticket sales. 

[G o a t b o y]

...that list should have been put up on their website for the show

What website? 

[Bob Bonham]

its a union hall. with all the fees tacked on to the price of the rental they wouls have lost that money.

[SWOLETRAIN]

It kind of takes away some credibility away from the professional athletes.  These guys are pros!!!!! If i was a pro.... I would not diet for 16+ weeks, do hours of cardio, and torture myself with a brutal diet for a show like the Atlantic Ctiy Pro. What the hell for? It would probably cost the athlete more to so the show in the long run.

[jmt1]

What website? 

well their web page for the show...they should have had a website.

http://www.ifbb-npcatlanticcityproam.com/

[gordiano]

The Atlantic City Pro could have really been a pretty good show if it was promoted right. I can't believe that they turned down a free webcast from bodybuilding.com   The IFBB should regulate the shows in which they put their name on. The Atlantic City Pro is one of the last Olympia qualifers!!!!!  This should be a hyped show!!!! C-mon... Ive seen more publicity for local NPC shows. Whats up with the smaller shows? They are not giving bodybuilding the amount of publicity necessary for proper growth of the sport. Pros are Pros and there are other shows out there besides the O. I just don't get it?

No shit, man. Thing is, this is the IFBB we're talking about.......a real "sports" league would do EVERYTHING in its power to promote their "sport", be it thru advertising or a free webcast.........but not the IFBB, no sir. Everything is half-assed and bush league......

[gordiano]

Whether they fill their venue with locals or not is beside the point.  There are bodybuilding fans all over the world, and if the IFBB wants the sport to grow, they need to promote it. The web and webcasts provide a cost-effective way to do that.  The value to the promoters is this:  since the number of people watching increases exponentially, the advertising value to the sponsors also increases.  That's where the money in real sports comes from:  broadcasting and advertising.  The money coming from the asses in seats at the venue is not even close to being the primary income source.  This could be even more important to a sport like bodybuilding, where you never have enough fans in one place at one time to fill much of a venue. Yet what do these shortsighted fools choose to focus on?  Local ticket sales. 

Damn skippy.

That's what they don't seem to get.......even if we only watch for "free", we're still watching the IFBB and we're the ones buying the mags, the supps, videos, autographs, etc., and eventually even tickets to show. A free webcast gets us talkign about the show, it makes us fans aware of it.

[Lift Studios]

It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.

The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?

[Stavios]

It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.

The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?

yes

[SWOLETRAIN]

Ya but every NFL game is a gigantic celebration, there are tons of fans going crazy and cheering for their favorite team. With bodybuilding we only get so many chances a year to see our favorite pros. So why the hell not make it a big ass celebration similar to the O for every show? I guess one can compare it with UFC or PRIDE. Both those events are once in awhile and are massively promoted in order to achieve maximum $$$ and increased fan base. The same concept can be applied to bodybuilding. It would therefore increase the fan base and ultimately contribute to more $$$ for the sport. This is 2006 and fitness is a multi-billion dollar industry. There is no reason pro bodybuilding is not on PPV every show, yet Wrestling, MMA (which has only been popular 3 years and has no industry), and boxing are all on PPV. IFBB=Joke... Get some outside marketing and start making some $$$

[MikeThaMachine]

If you notice the I.F.B.B. doesn't really promote it's shows, the people running the shows and the people sponsoring do all the promoting. The I.F.B.B. doesn't seem to care if anyone shows up, they already have the placings set

[gordiano]

It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.

The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?

Yes, it is.

However, the PDI has an excuse.......they are a start-up federation....

The IFBB has been around long enough to do better.

As far to webcast or not, the IFBB shoudl step up and demand it.

[gordiano]

If you notice the I.F.B.B. doesn't really promote it's shows, the people running the shows and the people sponsoring do all the promoting. The I.F.B.B. doesn't seem to care if anyone shows up, they already have the placings set

Yeah, very true. or so it seems.

Once they get their "fees", the IFBB doesn't seem to care what happens.

But don't let a guy try to earn a pay day somewhere else, cause that's where they put their foot down!

[Mr. Intenseone]

The Atlantic City Pro could have really been a pretty good show if it was promoted right. I can't believe that they turned down a free webcast from bodybuilding.com   The IFBB should regulate the shows in which they put their name on. The Atlantic City Pro is one of the last Olympia qualifers!!!!!  This should be a hyped show!!!! C-mon... Ive seen more publicity for local NPC shows. Whats up with the smaller shows? They are not giving bodybuilding the amount of publicity necessary for proper growth of the sport. Pros are Pros and there are other shows out there besides the O. I just don't get it?

It's just a show to give Kamali a chance to qualify because he couldn't do it in a legit venue!

[MikeThaMachine]

Yeah, very true. or so it seems.

Once they get their "fees", the IFBB doesn't seem to care what happens.

But don't let a guy try to earn a pay day somewhere else, cause that's where they put their foot down!

So true that Bob should bring it up at this years meeting, the I.F.B.B. should put more into advertising their shows, they had alot this year (which was awesome) but they need to give more support toward each show to make them seem important (they are O qualifiers) and the  internet is the easiest and cheapest way.

[Chick]

This is not an IFBB matter...The onus of running the show falls cleanly on the promoters shoulders. The IFBB is  a sanctioning body...thats all they do.

The IFBB cannot mandate that the promoters have to advertise, or have a webcast, etc...of course, it's in the promoters best interest if their looking to make a profit and grow the show.

[G o a t b o y]

This is not an IFBB matter...The onus of running the show falls cleanly on the promoters shoulders. The IFBB is  a sanctioning body...thats all they do.

The IFBB cannot mandate that the promoters have to advertise, or have a webcast, etc...of course, it's in the promoters best interest if their looking to make a profit and grow the show.

Bullshit.  The IFBB can do anything it damn well pleases.

The only reason it's "not an IFBB matter" is because the IFBB chooses not to make it one, which is pretty sad. 

I shouldn't have to tell you this, Bob... I mean, you're dumb, but you're not stupid. 

[G o a t b o y]

It's up to the promoters to do a webcast or not, it's not handed down by the IFBB whether to do one or not.

The PDI wasn't webcasted, is it a 1/2 assed bush league too?

Yes.



BTW, you may remove your lips from Mr. Weider's penis any time now, Lift. 

[SWOLETRAIN]

Where are the standards for these promoters?.... How in the hell is a brutal sport (in which drugs are present) like MMA so much more socially acceptable in comparison to bodybuilding? They have no multi billion dollar industry behind it. How is it so much more popular? Promotions should be a major part of putting on a pro contest. There should be some standard for a professional level show. With such little money for the athletes, the sport faces extinction. One simply cannot afford to be professional on bodybuilding alone. What does that tell you? Its goin nowhere

[gordiano]

Bullshit.  The IFBB can do anything it damn well pleases.

The only reason it's "not an IFBB matter" is because the IFBB chooses not to make it one, which is pretty sad. 

I shouldn't have to tell you this, Bob... I mean, you're dumb, but you're not stupid. 

I can't believe what Bob just told us.......


The IFBB does whatever it wants, it has always been that way.......nice try Chick.....

As I stated before.....it seems to me like once the IFBB gets their dough aka "sanction fees', they just stop caring.....

Btw, just where do the sanction fees go? Obviously not into advertising, promoting, webcasting, ppv, etc.,.........it sure as hell doesn't go to paying the competitors when the promoter stiffs them......now does it?


I swear, the IFBB has the perfect scam. They File as a non-profit, they collect monies that go who/where exactly? Nobody questions anything, certainly not the bbers.


Now, regarding this show......what is really sad is that the AC pro was a professional show, but I've seen a few amateur local (not regional, mind you) that were better advertised and had more of a "buzz" to them......