Test Cypionate Question

[onlyme]

Can you use cypionate to lose body fat or weight.

[dirtyman_209]

you are talking about test if you are wanting to lose body fat you will need to add a cutter to that cause test alone will put size on you and prob add alot of water weight

[bigmikecox]

Can you use cypionate to lose body fat or weight.

Diet, diet, diet

[controldenied33]

Can you use cypionate to lose body fat or weight.

Yes, I've cut using DEP's test cyp before.  It's all in the diet and cardio, however, something like test propionate would be better because you'd be drier.

[Luv2Hurt]

Well being older (me too) it (test) will help with your ability to put on lean muscle.  So indirectly it will help you be leaner.  But as the other poster said its really all in your diet.  Kick up the cardio, training, diet add some test and be consistant with all and you will get yourself in some great shape in time.

[whitewidow]

for weight loss and cutts- Prop and tren

or even cyp and tren - if you dont want the stingng sensation from prop.

Tren is probably the best roid for getting jacked and cutt.

[Woten]

Can you use cypionate to lose body fat or weight.

course you can Keith

if you are prone to blowing up with water, then use something like propionate

If I recall, you have run cyp in the past, what sort of dose did you employ?

[onlyme]

course you can Keith

if you are prone to blowing up with water, then use something like propionate

If I recall, you have run cyp in the past, what sort of dose did you employ?

I took cyp (the only thing I have ever taken) back in 1987 for 6 months straight.  Now as crazy as it sounds, I started off taking just two shots a week for the first month.  After that I did one shot everyday for five months. A guy names Dave Prokop(I think that was his name) was doing a series of articles in M&F and roids and there effect.  My training partner at the time was Ray Mentzer.  He called Prokop to tell him how much test I was taking and that I never had violebt outbursts.  Ray got them really bad.  SO he interviewed me on the phone for about 10 minutes or so.  The thing was I needed the strength to compete. I was told by everyone that everyone else was doing so I better.  So I did.  All I remember is that I was very strong.  I have always held water.  And now after my accident I really hold water.  I never got into roids and exactly how the work or anything.  I just did it casue I was told it would make me stronger.  I kept most of my strength even 10 years later after quitting.

The thing is a guy just had some shipped in and it is from British Dragon. He gave it to me for free and it is sitting here. He told me it would help me cut bodyfat. So I know you guys know about this stuff so I am asking. 

Here is another question and kind of shows how dumb I am about this stuff. What is Tren.  Is it a shot or pill.  I have to be in shape by the Arnold next year.  And I need to get serious.  So if something works I think I will take it.  Thanks for all your help.  I would like to post current pics on here instead of ones 10+ years ago.  Thanks again.  Plus I got two grand childern now so I need to be around till the graduate from College at least.

[SLYY]

Here is another question and kind of shows how dumb I am about this stuff. What is Tren.  Is it a shot or pill. 

It is a shot....

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Here is another question and kind of shows how dumb I am about this stuff. What is Tren.  Is it a shot or pill. 

Holy shit

[gtbro1]

I took cyp (the only thing I have ever taken) back in 1987 for 6 months straight.  Now as crazy as it sounds, I started off taking just two shots a week for the first month.  After that I did one shot everyday for five months. A guy names Dave Prokop(I think that was his name) was doing a series of articles in M&F and roids and there effect.  My training partner at the time was Ray Mentzer.  He called Prokop to tell him how much test I was taking and that I never had violebt outbursts.  Ray got them really bad.  SO he interviewed me on the phone for about 10 minutes or so.  The thing was I needed the strength to compete. I was told by everyone that everyone else was doing so I better.  So I did.  All I remember is that I was very strong.  I have always held water.  And now after my accident I really hold water.  I never got into roids and exactly how the work or anything.  I just did it casue I was told it would make me stronger.  I kept most of my strength even 10 years later after quitting.

The thing is a guy just had some shipped in and it is from British Dragon. He gave it to me for free and it is sitting here. He told me it would help me cut bodyfat. So I know you guys know about this stuff so I am asking. 

Here is another question and kind of shows how dumb I am about this stuff. What is Tren.  Is it a shot or pill.  I have to be in shape by the Arnold next year.  And I need to get serious.  So if something works I think I will take it.  Thanks for all your help.  I would like to post current pics on here instead of ones 10+ years ago.  Thanks again.  Plus I got two grand childern now so I need to be around till the graduate from College at least.

tren is trenbolone acetate.It is not available anymore except under ground labs and in a pellet form for cattle. The pellets can be bought legaly at farm stores without a script.They can be converted to an injectable.after you do that it is an illegal substance.You may know it by it's old name" Finaject"

 Tren is something like 3 times as anabolic as test without the conversion to estrogen,so the gains are solid and not just water. There are kits available online to convert the pellets to an injectable.Some people even crush them up and apply them on the skin with dmso ( a transdermal ) but absorbtion is minimal.That shit will make you crazy strong too.If you are already lean it will make you look fantastic.It does not convert to estrogen so you don't get the water retention from estrogen like you do with test,however,it converts to progesterone I think,so there is still potential for hair loss and gyno(some will argue this statement but I have heard of gyno caused by tren )It will also shut your nuts down big time,so it should always be ran with some test to keep your dick working properly, and follow it up with clomid post cycle to help jump start your nuts.

[Luv2Hurt]

I have to reiterate here. juice in itself will not burn fat!  It increases protein synthesis.  You can be a big fat ass while taking juice and it will not get you in shape by itself, I see it all the time.  No quick fix! 

You have to cut calories to loose weight, its the only way.  The gear is just the frosting on the cake.  Chain yourself to a treadmill, get the weight down some, train hard and consistant, then think about the juice.  Yeah I know its a lot of work but thats what it takes.

[onlyme]

Holy shit

I know I know.  But, I did everything on my own (except those 6 months) and I didn't really bother learning about this stuff.  Funny to cause I made quite a bit going to Tjuana for everyone else.  I had the best hiding places.  I even had a fake exhaust pipe put on. It came out the back just like the other one except it wasn't hooked up to anything.  Just a pipe with a nice chrome tip like the other one.  Just shove everything you got in the pipe.  Get home unscrew the brackets and then a broom stick and push it out. Worked great.  But, I never learned anything about any kinds of drugs.  Believe it or I haven't even ever held a joint.  I was naturally strong didn't need much of this stuff.  So, now that I am so out of shape I am looking for anything to help.  I know about the diet and training.  I have been doing that since 1973.  I need a shortcut of possible. 

So if I continue to lift and start watching what I eat if I take the test it will help.

[Luv2Hurt]

Damn living in Hawaii and not even a joint, they got some kick ass weed down that way, I remember this stuff we would get called Maui Wowie damn.

Anyhow, from some of your past posts I have gathered you are probally in your late 40's  Probally have declining test levels, its normal.  You may wanna consider this, go to your doc, have your hormone levels checked and see whats up.  If they are low more than likely your doc will put you on HRT (hormone replacement therapy)  This should bring you up into the high range of normal.  From what I can tell you are after gaining some muscle, loosing some fat, getting in better shape....not getting totally huge?

Low test levels will lead to all kinds of unmanly things, fat storage, loss of muscle, low energy, depression, lack of libido.  Its a good idea to see where you hormones are at now.

You said you know about the diet and training, so whats up why so out of shape now?

[Woten]

Keith, given that you have an extensive training background (I recall you have benched 500 etc) and thus you will be familiar with what hard, frequent training involves (and more importantly how dedicated you have to be) I would suggest getting yourself onto a routine that you know you can follow for at least two to three months (look at these first three months as a period of 'blowing the cobwebs away')

After completing the initial three months, I would simply drip in some of the cyp at about one jab (I presume they are 200mg jabs?) every five days, if you feel you might be prone to holding water, the addition of Nolvadex at 10mg per day would be beneficial, if you feel ok, you might want to increase the dose to two jabs, the point here is that there is no rush

Also, take Tribulus and zinc every day to keep your balls happy

Run this cyp cycle for 6-8 weeks, then take 6 weeks off and repeat

Yes, you 'could' run more cyp, you 'could' take fuck all time off, but only you can decide those things

Whatever you choose to do in terms of diet (ie: if you decide to go low calorie or cycle your carbs etc) the fact of the matter is, that the training together with the cyp will bring about a welcome state of fat loss and improvement in body composition (more muscle, less fat etc)

The bottom line is this: regular training and quality nutrition, when you have these, then the addition of the cyp will simply intensify what is already a quality gaining environment

[Arnold jr]

So if I continue to lift and start watching what I eat if I take the test it will help.

Yes, it will help. Like L2H said, it will not burn fat, AAS doesn't really have fat burning characteristics so to speak, but it will greatly help you maintain the muscle you already have while in a dieting mode. You mentioned that when you used this stuff before that you held a lot of water, and that is to be expected, but if you run some sort of AI along with your cycle, this will be greatly minimized. I prefer Arimidex and a dose of .5mg-1mg eod would work well. Also, you said you needed to be in shape for the Arnold, so you should plan your cycle out accordingly and run the tren towards the later half...you might also consider switching the cyp to prop at then end...combined with the tren and a-dex, assuming you get your bf low enough, then you should look pretty good.
You might do something like this:

wk 1-12 cyp 500mg wk
wk 11-16 tren-a 50-75mg eod
wk 12-16 prop 500mg wk
wk 1-16 a-dex .5mg-1mg eod
wk 17 Start PCT

This cycle should really help you maintain your size and strength while you diet, and you should appear a good bit harder because of the tren. However, the above is sort of a rough outline since I don't know what you are trying to get in shape for...what's happening at the Arnold that you need to get in shape for?

[onlyme]

Damn living in Hawaii and not even a joint, they got some kick ass weed down that way, I remember this stuff we would get called Maui Wowie damn.

Anyhow, from some of your past posts I have gathered you are probally in your late 40's  Probally have declining test levels, its normal.  You may wanna consider this, go to your doc, have your hormone levels checked and see whats up.  If they are low more than likely your doc will put you on HRT (hormone replacement therapy)  This should bring you up into the high range of normal.  From what I can tell you are after gaining some muscle, loosing some fat, getting in better shape....not getting totally huge?

Low test levels will lead to all kinds of unmanly things, fat storage, loss of muscle, low energy, depression, lack of libido.  Its a good idea to see where you hormones are at now.

You said you know about the diet and training, so whats up why so out of shape now?

You before my accident I couldn't wait to go outside and train.  My gym was 7 miles from my house.  I road my mountain bike at 8am to the gym and did 90 minutes of cardio.  Ride back home.  On the way I would stop at the Royal Hawaiian Shopping center and weigh myself on this digital scale they had there.  Then I would stop at the Kahala Mall and get a protein shake from a little restaurant there.  Then back home.  I lived on the side of a mountain in a place called Waialae Iki.  I rode up that very steep hill plus went over Diamond Head.  I would then go jump in my pool and lay on a raft for about an hour or so.  Have some lunch and then go down to the school and practice the Discus.  At about 4pm I would go back to the gym and workout.  This is all I did.  On weekends I would pull a truck tire I filled with cement around Diamond Head (pic included).  I was training for the 2000 Olympics when I got hurt.

So I know training. And when I won the World Championships in 1987 I trained even harder.  I loved to traiin.  Now I got in such bad physical condition that I am very depressed and rarely leave my house.  I am back to training now but still don't have "IT".  I actually go to the gym sometimes and don't get out of my car.  It was really bad when I first started back cause I was so weak.  At least now I back benching 405 for a few reps.  But I am really weak.

Now i am opening my own gym with BJ Penn and his family.  It's going to be great and it should open in February or March.  Well now the owner of the gym I was at kikced me out cause he said he is sick of people talking about the gym and that I shouldn't be in there talking about it.  So now I am walking down on the beach and jumping in the water.

I have a huge mental block and depressed over looking like I do now.  But, now I am sick of it and have set the goal of the Arnold.  I was supposed to go to the Olympia and even Ron called me but I just said I am not in good enough shape to go. I had several meetings there setup but not going.

So my friend gave me this test and may even get some GH.  I will check my levels.  I always have people ask me questions about roids and stuff and I tell them to go on here cause some of the smartest people come on here.  Thanks for all your help.  SOmeday soon I will be back in shape.  I'd to get my bench back up to at least 500.  I still have my pants from before my bite so I want to fit in them too.

[onlyme]

Damn living in Hawaii and not even a joint, they got some kick ass weed down that way, I remember this stuff we would get called Maui Wowie damn.

Anyhow, from some of your past posts I have gathered you are probally in your late 40's  Probally have declining test levels, its normal.  You may wanna consider this, go to your doc, have your hormone levels checked and see whats up.  If they are low more than likely your doc will put you on HRT (hormone replacement therapy)  This should bring you up into the high range of normal.  From what I can tell you are after gaining some muscle, loosing some fat, getting in better shape....not getting totally huge?

Low test levels will lead to all kinds of unmanly things, fat storage, loss of muscle, low energy, depression, lack of libido.  Its a good idea to see where you hormones are at now.

You said you know about the diet and training, so whats up why so out of shape now?

You before my accident I couldn't wait to go outside and train.  My gym was 7 miles from my house.  I road my mountain bike at 8am to the gym and did 90 minutes of cardio.  Ride back home.  On the way I would stop at the Royal Hawaiian Shopping center and weigh myself on this digital scale they had there.  Then I would stop at the Kahala Mall and get a protein shake from a little restaurant there.  Then back home.  I lived on the side of a mountain in a place called Waialae Iki.  I rode up that very steep hill plus went over Diamond Head.  I would then go jump in my pool and lay on a raft for about an hour or so.  Have some lunch and then go down to the school and practice the Discus.  At about 4pm I would go back to the gym and workout.  This is all I did.  On weekends I would pull a truck tire I filled with cement around Diamond Head (pic included).  I was training for the 2000 Olympics when I got hurt.

So I know training. And when I won the World Championships in 1987 I trained even harder.  I loved to traiin.  Now I got in such bad physical condition that I am very depressed and rarely leave my house.  I am back to training now but still don't have "IT".  I actually go to the gym sometimes and don't get out of my car.  It was really bad when I first started back cause I was so weak.  At least now I back benching 405 for a few reps.  But I am really weak.

Now i am opening my own gym with BJ Penn and his family.  It's going to be great and it should open in February or March.  Well now the owner of the gym I was at kikced me out cause he said he is sick of people talking about the gym and that I shouldn't be in there talking about it.  So now I am walking down on the beach and jumping in the water.

I have a huge mental block and depressed over looking like I do now.  But, now I am sick of it and have set the goal of the Arnold.  I was supposed to go to the Olympia and even Ron called me but I just said I am not in good enough shape to go. I had several meetings there setup but not going.

So my friend gave me this test and may even get some GH.  I will check my levels.  I always have people ask me questions about roids and stuff and I tell them to go on here cause some of the smartest people come on here.  Thanks for all your help.  SOmeday soon I will be back in shape.  I'd to get my bench back up to at least 500.  I still have my pants from before my bite so I want to fit in them too.

[Luv2Hurt]

Onlyme, I have heard you mention "the accident"  before, I never heard the story.  What happened if you don't mind me asking?  I'm no shrink but have to ask did your problems start after this accident? was it traumatic? You mention a bite?

Low test can cause problems with depression and mood but so can traumatic events in ones life, many people suffer from what is known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) some Vietnam and I'm sure more recent vets suffer from this, but it can also affect everyday people caught up in trauma that they have seen or experienced. If I'm totally off about this please disregard.

http://www.nmha.org/reassurance/ptsd.cfm

[SLYY]

Onlyme, I have heard you mention "the accident"  before, I never heard the story.  What happened if you don't mind me asking?  I'm no shrink but have to ask did your problems start after this accident? was it traumatic? You mention a bite?

Low test can cause problems with depression and mood but so can traumatic events in ones life, many people suffer from what is known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) some Vietnam and I'm sure more recent vets suffer from this, but it can also affect everyday people caught up in trauma that they have seen or experienced. If I'm totally off about this please disregard.

http://www.nmha.org/reassurance/ptsd.cfm

Brown recluse bite.....

[onlyme]

Onlyme, I have heard you mention "the accident"  before, I never heard the story.  What happened if you don't mind me asking?  I'm no shrink but have to ask did your problems start after this accident? was it traumatic? You mention a bite?

Low test can cause problems with depression and mood but so can traumatic events in ones life, many people suffer from what is known as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) some Vietnam and I'm sure more recent vets suffer from this, but it can also affect everyday people caught up in trauma that they have seen or experienced. If I'm totally off about this please disregard.

http://www.nmha.org/reassurance/ptsd.cfm

Go to this website and it tells about my past.  The magazine article is good too (Planet Muscle)

And yes I am probably suffering from depression in some sort.  As my friends say I have turned into a recluse.  From hardly spending anytime time at home I have reversed it and spend all the time at home.  I am getting better though.

http://www.musclemafia.com/KDJ.htm

[Luv2Hurt]

Keep working hard onlyme, Im sure when you start seeing results of getting in shape it will be like a frieght train towards feeling better.  I also start to get depressed and feel bad about myself if I get out of shape.  One step at a time.  I would as far aa diet goes not worry about anything special, just practice portion control and get enough protien.