I think jay is destroying ron from the back, harder, more detailed, calves are better...I didn't go nuts looking at the pics but those are my initial reactions....ron's front lat spread is....wellllll..it's just wrong. Is he hitting it wrong or is it just me. I can't tell a thing about his lats when he hit it, chest looks awsome but it's not being done in a way that you could eveluate him the right way...