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Besides being lower than 10% bodyfat, proper nutrition and sleep, training all heads of the delts frequently, using good form and proper weight, which steroids provide the best overall delt development?
Do you need to use SLIN + GH in addition to certain steroids?
Is this just another myth?
Thanks
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Trenbolone has made my delts ridiculous and it's only day 15.
I genetically have good shoulders though and don't train them directly, just some overhead pressing and upper back work.
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overall it's a myth.
I've always had capped delts, even when I was 12yrs old doing upright rows using my 'boombox' stereo (and doing curls with cans of Ravioli cans lol)... but after a week on tren my delts caps are 'sharper' and more '3d' (fucking gh15 ruined that word for me. lol)... BUT, I've known other guys with SHIT for shoulders who use large amounts of tren (and overall look great).
same as the womens 'deca delts' myth. give any woman more androgenic drugs than what's normally used (such as primo and anavar) and her shoulders will grow.
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Androgens blow them out a good bit but nothing makes your delts pop more than hitting them a lot in the gym and getting a lot of blood in there. Lot of people seem to think bold does it too, but I'm not too sure about that I'd have to try bold again... Pinning delts frequently also helps a bit especially fast acting gear suspension in particular..
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of course it's a myth, on 90 percent
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Actually I want to change what I wrote.
Capped delts? What does this mean? They either get bigger or they get smaller or they get fatter or they get leaner.
Tren gave me bigger shoulders. Capped shoulders? That's just what big shoulders look like I guess.
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thanks for the input dudez
guess i'll have to try using test myself and then experiment with other compounds to see if there is a difference. i always hit shoulders super hard, but being a natural sucks and you don't see any results worth posting online when compared to the look DAT gear gives you
looking forward to getting on that dark side soon
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Tren, EQ
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stimulation from training. bigger delts get more rounded. period.
genetics + drugs making the delts larger is it. specific drugs will not make you more capped. hth
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Actually I want to change what I wrote.
Capped delts? What does this mean? They either get bigger or they get smaller or they get fatter or they get leaner.
Tren gave me bigger shoulders. Capped shoulders? That's just what big shoulders look like I guess.
Paco has big shoulders, but they're not 'capped'.. unless they're full of oil like they were in '02. (err.. excessively filled with oil)
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I would say dbol as well. but really the capped look as they call it is just the delts becoming larger as others have said.. when I was natty I could have a huge shoudler pump and theyd look 'juiced' for maybe 10 minutes then back to normal medicoreness. Now they look like that all the time and with a pump now they just look ridiculous. Like TOO BIG almost lol
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Paco has big shoulders, but they're not 'capped'.. unless they're full of oil like they were in '02. (err.. excessively filled with oil)
So?
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I would say dbol as well. but really the capped look as they call it is just the delts becoming larger as others have said.. when I was natty I could have a huge shoudler pump and theyd look 'juiced' for maybe 10 minutes then back to normal medicoreness. Now they look like that all the time and with a pump now they just look ridiculous. Like TOO BIG almost lol
Dbol does it for me as well. In fact shoulders when on dbol for over 4 weeks straight is just painful pumps.
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orals like anadrol, anavar or anything that gives you a super pump will cap delts in record time because they are constantly being pumped while indirect work is applied from training other bodyparts like back and chest,. in fact my shoulder workouts gets cut in half when I am banging 100mg var.
var does it the best, figure girls get capped delts on 15-20mg daily.
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orals like anadrol, anavar or anything that gives you a super pump will cap delts in record time because they are constantly being pumped while indirect work is applied from training other bodyparts like back and chest,. in fact my shoulder workouts gets cut in half when I am banging 100mg var.
var does it the best, figure girls get capped delts on 15-20mg daily.
this... anything that gives a badass pump does it, but superdrol or methyltrienolone do the most for me. just add 3 light sets of high rep side raises at the end of a workout and BOOM your delts look like cannonballs. only lasts for a couple minutes though unfortunately.
theres a night and day difference in unpumped/pumped delts for me
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Besides being lower than 10% bodyfat, proper nutrition and sleep, training all heads of the delts frequently, using good form and proper weight, which steroids provide the best overall delt development?
Do you need to use SLIN + GH in addition to certain steroids?
Is this just another myth?
Thanks
Think of this, steroids aren't designed to make "capped" deltoid muscles, physically, a muscle can only grow in thickness.
Bone insertions and shape are genetic.
You can only make a muscle, any muscle, bigger and be leaner, then they will look most "plastic".
Instead of over thinking such questions of low intellectual level, why don't you just focus on hard training, nutrition and you will need a lot of time, you have a rather long journey ahead, or one which will bring you down to earth and make you stop training period.
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this... anything that gives a badass pump does it, but superdrol or methyltrienolone do the most for me. just add 3 light sets of high rep side raises at the end of a workout and BOOM your delts look like cannonballs. only lasts for a couple minutes though unfortunately.
theres a night and day difference in unpumped/pumped delts for me
yes those 2 are real good too
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Retarded bro science, I've heard of equipose doing that and some bros swearing by it ::)
Building delts and losing fat builds 'capped delts'. Training your delts right for them to grow and get shapely builds 'capped delts'.
Heavy back rows, face pulls.. and heavy lateral raises builds capped delts...
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I had capped delts when I was 14yrs old and 90lbs the first day I started lifting 'real' weights.
some guys have them, some guys never will.
look at pics of Kamali or titus when they was 14.. same delts (just smaller)
compare that to guys like paco bautista, never got that capped look to his delts... same with cormier (without site injections.. he had that knot for years in his medial head), look at Arnold.. look at drapper.. etc...
imo, it's largely genetic.
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I had capped delts when I was 14yrs old and 90lbs the first day I started lifting 'real' weights.
some guys have them, some guys never will.
look at pics of Kamali or titus when they was 14.. same delts (just smaller)
compare that to guys like paco bautista, never got that capped look to his delts... same with cormier (without site injections.. he had that knot for years in his medial head), look at Arnold.. look at drapper.. etc...
imo, it's largely genetic.
But somehow lost them when pictures of you surfaced
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GH is the only thing that really made them stand out more while being lean. Anything that bloats you will make them swell up, but i did notice a difference on 10iu of GH.
I do a lot of overhead presses and i have massive delts, but mine have always been pretty large.
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Over head pressing builds mass on the delts lota of this would be essential in getting the capped look. OHP food and good amounts of test should do it. Any body ive seen pressing over 225 for atleast 10 reps usually has good shoulders or capped
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overhead pressing is shit for delts
side raises and a good rear delt exercise and lots of those is what builds huge delts.
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overhead pressing is shit for delts
side raises and a good rear delt exercise and lots of those is what builds huge delts.
Thats a doubt. Kind of like squats-legs, bench-chest, OHP- delt. Side raising 45lb dbells wont compare to pressing 100 lb dbells ever. Both r key, but say pick one and its OHP for me
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Thats a doubt. Kind of like squats-legs, bench-chest, OHP- delt. Side raising 45lb dbells wont compare to pressing 100 lb dbells ever. Both r key, but say pick one and its OHP for me
there are plenty of people who report increased gains since stopping OHP.
btw OHP wrecks your joints, no matter how you do them.
ive pressed shoulder pressed 100lb DBs for 5 or so reps when i was still doing OHP. only added 1-2 isolations here and there.
had shit delts. they were always one of the hardest growing bodyparts for me.
havent done a single OHP movement for a year and my delts look 10x better now. they actually stand out.
isolations only. 10-15 sets front/side/rear db/cable raises twice a week. massively improved gains
and i use fucking low weight for these. like 25lbs max. high reps, squeeze these fuckers.
oh and by the way, bench is shit for chest too ;D
on t-nation (inb4 t-nation sucks) they measured muscle fiber activaton via EMS for delt movements and OHP was shit. best movements were side raises and some band-resistance stuff as far as i remember.
same with chest, guillotine press was best. i prefer DBs over BB for chest. cable cross is the best movement though if u ask me.
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My shoulders and chest must just grow easy then. Since im using shitty exercises and my chest and delts are actually my best parts.
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Think of this, steroids aren't designed to make "capped" deltoid muscles, physically, a muscle can only grow in thickness.
Bone insertions and shape are genetic.
You can only make a muscle, any muscle, bigger and be leaner, then they will look most "plastic".
Instead of over thinking such questions of low intellectual level, why don't you just focus on hard training, nutrition and you will need a lot of time, you have a rather long journey ahead, or one which will bring you down to earth and make you stop training period.
Boom
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My shoulders and chest must just grow easy then. Since im using shitty exercises and my chest and delts are actually my best parts.
yes they most likely grow easily. pretty much 90% of all lifters use bench and OHP as their staples for chest and delts.
if your delts and chest stand out from these, yeah they grow easily.
just sayin, but this is the strongest bench presser in the world:
(http://www.metalmilitia.sk/articles/images/resting.jpg)
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site i njecting your gear helps big time. I would say the best two steroids for capped delts is injectable winny site injected and Tren A site Injected plus nolotil of course site injected extremely deep
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yes they most likely grow easily. pretty much 90% of all lifters use bench and OHP as their staples for chest and delts.
if your delts and chest stand out from these, yeah they grow easily.
just sayin, but this is the strongest bench presser in the world:
(http://www.metalmilitia.sk/articles/images/resting.jpg)
No he isn't....
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Lol at the fat dude benchpress he may b strong but. You r going to have a hard time convincing me that u can build a bb quality chest with just flies or delts with shoulder raises alone. Power lifters train different rep ranges. Mayb after first couple years u can focus on these to help improve muscles. I may just b hard headed lol.
I do both ohp and raises though so mayb i could skip the ohp and add more raises on a few workouts actually hitting shoulders today. Get zero pain from ohp and my shoulders get nasty pumped hate to leave it out.
Was actually going to hit a personal best with a barbell today. Now what would i use to substitute a 275 lb military press for 10 reps? Just more front and side raises 6 sets each? I will try next week... cant c it replacing a staple in lifting. There is something to b said for heavy compound movements building a body when it causes n injury or pain.
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Ps not trying to b an ass. Im here to learn and have learned a lot since joining here. Great place great dudes.
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Lol at the fat dude benchpress he may b strong but. You r going to have a hard time convincing me that u can build a bb quality chest with just flies or delts with shoulder raises alone. Power lifters train different rep ranges. Mayb after first couple years u can focus on these to help improve muscles. I may just b hard headed lol.
I do both ohp and raises though so mayb i could skip the ohp and add more raises on a few workouts actually hitting shoulders today. Get zero pain from ohp and my shoulders get nasty pumped hate to leave it out.
Was actually going to hit a personal best with a barbell today. Now what would i use to substitute a 275 lb military press for 10 reps? Just more front and side raises 6 sets each? I will try next week... cant c it replacing a staple in lifting. There is something to b said for heavy compound movements building a body when it causes n injury or pain.
You can build an impressive chest with using less than 200 pounds for bench press.
By impressive, i mean people who have won competitions, i don't know what is impressive to you, you must be a monster, why don't you show some pictures?
And inquiring minds want to see that 275 pounds military for 10 reps on video.
Will you do this?
Simple Simon does not bench at all, have you seen his pictures?
PS nobody gives a shit about your personal best, if you want to brag about things, do it full blown with pictures and videos.
Not one person in the world gives a shit about your personal best of anything.
"not trying to be an ass"
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I have really good shoulders and don't train them at all
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I have really good shoulders and don't train them at all
I have seen fat women with matarazzo sized calves and i bet they don't even know about training or having such a muscle.
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Tried to post pic im on my phone it said file too large im no monster by any means im 6ft n 215 when bloated on carbs yes thats good 200lbs bench for chest can build a big good looking chest on some people. But its not gonna b enough weight for others .
And notntrying to brag just saying in my opinion ide say the 225 lbs barbell press or whatever ohp is superior To lighter side raises that u do those after the ohp or vice versa.. but I have no science to prove it just my experience. Lift weights getn progressively strongeR look better build mass ill just keep doing what im doing. But will try to get that on video
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heavy weight doesnt build muscle
heavy muscle fiber activation does.
weight on the bar doesnt mean SHIT.
COMPLETELY USELESS ego tripping bullshit.
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I know this but to tax the muscle to failure requires more weight for some and less for others u cant go in and do curls with 10 lb weights and expect growth.
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I know this but to tax the muscle to failure requires more weight for some and less for others u cant go in and do curls with 10 lb weights and expect growth.
yeah but im pretty sure 30lb dumbbells will suffice for EVERYONE, even ramy... i mean you can build muscle by just flexing with no resistance at all except your own muscle contraction... the actual weight you need for full muscel fiber activation is VERY low i assume.
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yeah but im pretty sure 30lb dumbbells will suffice for EVERYONE, even ramy... i mean you can build muscle by just flexing with no resistance at all except your own muscle contraction... the actual weight you need for full muscel fiber activation is VERY low i assume.
You need some load to tear the fibers on the negative I believe
Bench isn't healthy long term
Capped delts can be made of lovely seo and scar tissue
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Yes i rarely bench anymore because sometimes it hurts just use dbs mostly and 30s r plenty for curls
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this is ridiculous no steorids give capped delts its your training that shahpes your delts or your oil if that's what you are getting at although oil wont cap the delts like you think lol
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this is ridiculous no steorids give capped delts its your training that shahpes your delts or your oil if that's what you are getting at although oil wont cap the delts like you think lol
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/6/5/65543-c1.jpg)
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i mean you can build muscle by just flexing with no resistance at all except your own muscle contraction... the actual weight you need for full muscel fiber activation is VERY low i assume.
Lol no you can't...I know what you're saying, but let's not get carried away here
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You need some load to tear the fibers on the negative I believe
Bench isn't healthy long term
Capped delts can be made of lovely seo and scar tissue
depends on how you bench.
bench like a bodybuilder, with your hands and elbows wide, and bringing that bar above you nipples, and yea, you're looking at shoulder issues down the road.
bench like a powerlifter, with elbows tucked, and bringing that bar down low, and you'll be fine.. usually.
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depends on how you bench.
bench like a bodybuilder, with your hands and elbows wide, and bringing that bar above you nipples, and yea, you're looking at shoulder issues down the road.
bench like a powerlifter, with elbows tucked, and bringing that bar down low, and you'll be fine.. usually.
I benched with 'safe' form for a decade and my shoulders still took a beating and I tore a pec (a minor muscle tear, thankfully). Closer grip, tuck, pause each rep for a second at the bottom, slow negatives, never cheat, usually did sets of 8-10 and would only do 1-2 worksets of bench.
The fixed hand position is just not good for the shoulder capsule.
All I do is DB presses now as they allow a safer shoulder motion.
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Tried to post pic im on my phone it said file too large im no monster by any means im 6ft n 215 when bloated on carbs yes thats good 200lbs bench for chest can build a big good looking chest on some people. But its not gonna b enough weight for others .
And notntrying to brag just saying in my opinion ide say the 225 lbs barbell press or whatever ohp is superior To lighter side raises that u do those after the ohp or vice versa.. but I have no science to prove it just my experience. Lift weights getn progressively strongeR look better build mass ill just keep doing what im doing. But will try to get that on video
yeah blah blah blah blah blah , are you even muscular? Ppl posting stats like they mean anything lol. Its about how strong you are WHILE looking muscular.
"Don't be that guy"
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yeah blah blah blah blah blah , are you even muscular? Ppl posting stats like they mean anything lol. Its about how strong you are WHILE looking muscular.
"Don't be that guy"
No not at fucking all zero muscles lol I'm just posting on here because I lift for no reason with no results. Its about getting bigger muscles with less fat- capped delts solved.
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yes they most likely grow easily. pretty much 90% of all lifters use bench and OHP as their staples for chest and delts.
if your delts and chest stand out from these, yeah they grow easily.
just sayin, but this is the strongest bench presser in the world:
(http://www.metalmilitia.sk/articles/images/resting.jpg)
Those are the cheapest looking glasses ;D what the fuck is wrong with this guy he is breaking numerous gym rules.
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Lol no you can't...I know what you're saying, but let's not get carried away here
lol yes you can. i know what youre saying, this obviously doesnt refer to someone at the high level.
but still the fact is flexing even without any resistance can build muscle.
http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2013/12/build-size-strength-with-isometric-co.html
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All I do is DB presses now as they allow a safer shoulder motion.
Same here, i hardly ever use a barbell for anything other than squats and deadlifts these days.
All the power lifters and strongmen i have trained with over the years had massive capped delts.
I think it's genetics mostly at the end of the day.
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What gives cap delts !?? Fucking training them hard ! Not trying being a dick , but its the truth coming from a guy whos 6ft tall , only done couple cycles at 500 test week , soon to change all this and go on forerever.... Around 190lbs atm 10-12bf
Delts was my weakest body part , i remeber few years back i looked like a fucking giraffe , specially cause i had no muscle ( always very veiny thou ) amd also im narrow not blessed with wide clavicles but i turned my shoulders from nothing to my best body part ... And because ive got a small waist i actually look wider than i really am all bout that illusion....
So yeah gear may help but in my opnion theres no substitution for training , i confess i got little obssesed with shoulders but as all in life if u really want it you go get it , for years ive done those dumbell seated presses laterals and so on... Fuck it ...
When i really changed my focus and routine the blew up
Now i trained them every other week to bring my chest up cuz the shoulders overpower the chest alot
My typically shoulder session :
Standing militar press - work up to a very heavy set where i can squezze 2-3 reps once there do couple sets of that then i would either do massive drop set all the way till i have nothing but the bar or ill do backdown sets like reducing the weigh 25-30% and do 3 sets of 8-12 reps
On to a superset of standing one arm dumbel press with side lateral ( presses for 10-12 and laterals for 15-20 )
Always using same weight 3 sets of this
Barbell ( big one ) upright rows 3-4 sets 15-10 ( maybe one drop )
Face pulls - 3-4 sets - 20-10 reps
Finish with reverse peck deck - dont count sets , start off with 25-30 reps go up the stack till i get max of 10 then massive drop set with few holds on top
Contraction when gets too light
Shrugs every other week - barbell shrugs behing the back 4-5 sets 15-20 reps ( fairly heavy )
Just my two cents here , may not know as much about gear thats why im here in trying to learn etc but i can train ! 8)(http://)
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Press behind the neck, although considered a dangerous excercise works wonders for fuller rounder delts
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gh, site injections, heavy androgens, that's how I built mine.... ive always trained hard.. but I don't train like I used to that's for sure... delts look way better now.. the things I listed are really the only difference.
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Seriously. What the fuck.
You're talking about GH and slin.
You're asking about what steroids will give you capped delts...
I mean....
FFS.
Just train your shoulders - do your normal cycles and stop worrying about exotics. Build it and they will come.
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IMO genetics lol. Tren gives me nicer delts but naturally it mostly goes away when I stop the tren :D. Npp also gave me bigger delts (on my first big blast) that hasn't really gone away since then, been cruising on test.
I think the guys with the best delts are those with naturally good delt shape when natty, you know the type, small but good proportion for natties, these are the type that blow up with 500mg test e a week and look amazing
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my delts had always been utter shit, plus i got extremely narrow clavicles...
ive always been a chest/tri dominant presser and there was literally no growth in my delts at all
thats UNTIL i started abusing heavy androgens (tren) and started site injecting the SHIT out of them... i put all my gear in the delts for a long time and that was always easily 20mls a week... sometimes i put 5-6mls into a delt... no issue at all with pipless gear... and in medical practice they tell you delts cant take more than 1ml at a time ;D
(real talk here, NOTHING works as well as site injecting LOADS of oil... the immediate effects are insane. you can visually double the size of your delts with a single injection and there are also long term "gains". well, a big part of that is scar tissue from that, but if done correctly you cant see a difference)
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my delts had always been utter shit, plus i got extremely narrow clavicles...
ive always been a chest/tri dominant presser and there was literally no growth in my delts at all
thats UNTIL i started abusing heavy androgens (tren) and started site injecting the SHIT out of them... i put all my gear in the delts for a long time and that was always easily 20mls a week... sometimes i put 5-6mls into a delt... no issue at all with pipless gear... and in medical practice they tell you delts cant take more than 1ml at a time ;D
(real talk here, NOTHING works as well as site injecting LOADS of oil... the immediate effects are insane. you can visually double the size of your delts with a single injection and there are also long term "gains". well, a big part of that is scar tissue from that, but if done correctly you cant see a difference)
isn't scar tissue bad? Doesn't it compromise the integrity of your muscle after a while? http://www.ergo-log.com/synthol-demolishes-muscle-tissue.html
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probably, but it looks the same. there are even pubmed articles on SEO, castor oil injects causing necrosis, fibrosis and basically big collagen lumps/holes in muscle tissue etc
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Press behind the neck, although considered a dangerous excercise works wonders for fuller rounder delts
I rarely did these until the past year or so and i can see a difference in my delts, mainly the rear delts seem to be more full. As long as i do them light, they don't bother my rotators, i typically do them in a superset with upright rows.
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I rarely did these until the past year or so and i can see a difference in my delts, mainly the rear delts seem to be more full. As long as i do them light, they don't bother my rotators, i typically do them in a superset with upright rows.
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Yes I experienced pretty much the same thing, always had very flat delts when viewed from the front, the press behind neck really helped this issue, I avoid doing them heavy also by doing them second after several work sets on the front press and doing them slowly with a complete pause at the bottom.
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Yes I experienced pretty much the same thing, always had very flat delts when viewed from the front, the press behind neck really helped this issue, I avoid doing them heavy also by doing them second after several work sets on the front press and doing them slowly with a complete pause at the bottom.
I like preexaust with dumbell lateral raise , reverse peck deck and front barbell raise .. Then last do behind neck press and i not need go heavy cause my delts pumped to hell already
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I started power cleaning each press from the high hang position , doing several heavy sets of triples or fives (5x3 0r 3x5 @ around 85%1RM) as my "money" exercise for delts.
I follow with higher rep sets of behind the neck and high pulls (3x8 @ around 75%1RM) - not only my delts, but my entire shoulder girdle including upper/mid traps have made crazy progress compared to many years of "standard" military press and upright rows. Drugs don't seem to make much difference beyond dose, more = bigger. But's that's just me , YMMV
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pinning in delts def helped / not tremendously but it did help
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heavy weight doesnt build muscle
heavy muscle fiber activation does.
weight on the bar doesnt mean SHIT.
COMPLETELY USELESS ego tripping bullshit.
Amen times thousand ! Stopped lifting heavyweights about 2 years ago. For example delt side raises I almost never go over 20lbs. Stay around 6-10kg (12-20lbs) and I have great shoulders.. same with every muscle. I very rarely train them heavy. Very rearly. I started to grow more with lighter weights... and after all this year's I have been reading and told to lift super heavy and rather few reps to grow... its complete bullshit
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Guys seriously fukc gh15 first of all. Second muscles are like a balloon. The shape is from the factory. All you can do is make it bigger or allow it to get smaller. Delts are typically round. The bigger they get the rounder. No specific gear makes shoulders capped.
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PMMA all the way
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PMMA all the way
Ha ha
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Press behind the neck, although considered a dangerous excercise works wonders for fuller rounder delts
I do these on the smith machine. Start light and never go really heavy. Finish with a drop set. Pumps the fuck out of my delts. Probably the best
shoulder exercise I have ever done. Wish I had started doing these decades ago.
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No roids target one body part. capped deltoids are either genetic or they are filled with oil.
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No roids target one body part. capped deltoids are either genetic or they are filled with oil.
Agreed. I never said anything to the contrary.
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Agreed. I never said anything to the contrary.
Sorry about the quote part. It was a "senior" slip up. Like you advised, you can target your deltoids which specific movements.
I used to lift some pretty heavy resistance for delts until I noticed the fella's with great delt development went strict and controlled with very light resistance. Bodybuilding is great because I am always learning something new. Just wish my old self would respond like my young self did. >:(
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My delts blow up first and look freaky and I do little to no direct shoulder work,so for me I hate saying it's GENETIC but they just blow up and it's like my arms shrink, again GENETIC,so training hard to get a body part is bullshit because my arms should look proportional to my shoulders don't,food and training are tiny part of the game when hormones are involved
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BTW tren really gets them popping!!