your logic is flawed. you post 50 year old pics as proof that meso cant be natural, when many people on here have seen naturals with the same level of development as meso.
its like debating if red is red, with someone who obviously is color blind.
Ok, seriously then. let's debate and not get personal and ultimately if we disagree we disagree.
I posted pics of dudes from the pre-steroid era as that is a time that people often use as an example as people can't lie about using as, obviously, it was an era before steroids.
We all agreed that he destroys these guys. I also appealed to science and explained some facts about human physiology , example:
Naturals don't tend to look good at that bodyfat. That's why a lot of the ironagers had higher bodyfat. A lot of them didn't have visible six packs even at the Mr America.
I keep trying to explain to people that the body is the product of millions of years of evolution. It will do anything to hang on to fat stores and that includes cannibalizing virtually ALL your muscle mass before reaching sub 6% bodyfat.
Problem is that so many of you are used to the juiced look and the guys who use and lie that you don't really know what a true natural physique is realistically like.
true lifetime naturals with no 'assistance' look terrible at really low bodyfat. fact. end of story.
Now, everyone on this thread seems to know black men who look as good as this guy or better and who are natural. Where are these guys? I know plenty of blacks and don't see any naturals that look as good as he is, or have his strength. Certainly not natural.
So let's keep it friendly and have a debate, please post pics to nattys who look like this guy . I even saw one guy saying he saw 15 year old naturals lifting more and looking better. It's hard to take that shit seriously.