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Title: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
is he?  ::)

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Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 11:59:18 AM
i believe him, he's not monstrously huge and a lot of black guys get that cut naturally, he's a pretty strong guy too.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 02, 2008, 12:00:32 PM
I believe him no problem. Meso looks great, trains hard and has great genetics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Stark on July 02, 2008, 12:00:42 PM
I want to believe...

good abs by the way  :o :o :o


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MAXX on July 02, 2008, 12:01:37 PM
i dont know... i have my doubts.


says he eats junk and dont seem so serious. yet still pretty damn lean and manages to bench like 400 pounds...

Michael Locket and twizzlers commes to mind  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 12:03:01 PM
Yes, not to insult the guy, hes a hard worker as we have seen from his videos he uploaded......great physique, but i have a hard time believing he is natural but who knows.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:03:09 PM
look closely at his forearms, wrists and anything but his triceps, he's really not that big, he's very cut and looks awesome, i totally believe he's natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 02, 2008, 12:06:34 PM
juiced or not he has very good stuctural genetics, as pointed out by harley... very small joints and full muscle bellies


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 02, 2008, 12:07:46 PM
Id like to think he is but who knows.  We can only go by what he says


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:08:49 PM
his strong points are obviously his triceps which explains why he's such a good presser and his abs and general condition.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Petrucci on July 02, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
not in one million f*cking years, but he looks great no doubt


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 02, 2008, 12:15:54 PM
I believe him. Not a bullshitter and a modest guy.

Not your typical juicer know it all anti-banana sort of guy


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:16:23 PM
hahahaha, you guys are too funny, is that guy really so huge that you look at him and scream JUICER!!!!!!!!! the guy is what 195 pounds? give him his props, he trains hard and is genetically very lean and ripped.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 02, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
I believe him. Not a bullshitter and a modest guy.

Not your typical juicer know it all anti-banana sort of guy
;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:19:15 PM
hahahaha, you guys are too funny, is that guy really so huge that you look at him and scream JUICER!!!!!!!!! the guy is what 195 pounds? give him his props, he trains hard and is genetically very lean and ripped.

I take your point but naturals don't usually keep that level of muscularity at such a low bodyfat. I would be very surprised if he was 100% natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:21:02 PM
I take your point but naturals don't usually keep that level of muscularity at such a low bodyfat. I would be very surprised if he was 100% natural.
go down to any big city black neighborhood and you'll see a lot of black dudes in their 20's totally natural who look like meso, it's genetics, he's a very hard trainer who's figured out what works for his body.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: _bruce_ on July 02, 2008, 12:21:36 PM
Crazy good


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 12:21:49 PM
too much thickness....gh15 said he likes orals....you cant fool the god of hormones!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:22:40 PM
go down to any big city black neighborhood and you'll see a lot of black dudes

really?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 02, 2008, 12:24:23 PM
None of us know for sure except him so why argue.  Guy looks great either way


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 02, 2008, 12:24:36 PM
hahahaha, you guys are too funny, is that guy really so huge that you look at him and scream JUICER!!!!!!!!! the guy is what 195 pounds? give him his props, he trains hard and is genetically very lean and ripped.

Agree......

I know some people here who also have outstanding genetics. I have a cousin who looks like a real gym rat, but nevers trains at all and lives on beer.

Either way Meso is cool, looks great and I guess it's a compliment to him anyway :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 02, 2008, 12:26:38 PM
 ::)

we've been through this before

not natural not even close

160 lbs dumbell presses for a small frame guy like this, 7 % bodyfat with that much muscle

y'all stoopid or what ?

fukkin hormonized or at the very least orals...and maybe fatburners


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:27:40 PM
Ain't no old school naturals from the 50s who had ripped up triceps looking like that. He fucking juices.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 02, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
All drugs.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 02, 2008, 12:30:38 PM
Agree......

I know some people here who also have outstanding genetics. I have a cousin who looks like a real gym rat, but nevers trains at all and lives on beer.

Either way Meso is cool, looks great and I guess it's a compliment to him anyway :D
full of shit alert !!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 02, 2008, 12:31:39 PM
Ain't no old school naturals from the 50s who had ripped up triceps looking like that. He fucking juices.

though plenty from before the 20th century.

whats your point.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 12:32:38 PM
Agree......

I know some people here who also have outstanding genetics. I have a cousin who looks like a real gym rat, but nevers trains at all and lives on beer.

Either way Meso is cool, looks great and I guess it's a compliment to him anyway :D

ok. should we all quit training now and "live on beer"?  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 02, 2008, 12:34:03 PM
though plenty from before the 20th century.

whats your point.
::) ::) ::)




the ones from the 20th century aint natural.

hth.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
though plenty from before the 20th century.

whats your point.

Prove it. Show evidence of pre-steroid era arms that have that kind of tricep development at that bodyfat.

hahaha you can't .


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 02, 2008, 12:36:19 PM
ok. should we all quit training now and "live on beer"?  ::)

Did I say that? Allude to it? No.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:36:22 PM
Prove it. Show evidence of pre-steroid era arms that have that kind of tricep development at that bodyfat.

hahaha you can't .
Sandow did, was he juiced up? i don't think so.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 12:39:30 PM
Did I say that? Allude to it? No.

 ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 02, 2008, 12:42:02 PM
these?

also smaller triceps back then as bench press not invented...i belive this plays a a large part in tricep development


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:44:17 PM
Sandow did, was he juiced up? i don't think so.

nope, not even Sandow can match this guy on arm size and condition.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/robyncutie/jody1/sandow2000.gif)
(http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/weis/index_files/eugensandowsm.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:45:17 PM
nope, not even Sandow can match this guy on arm size and condition.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/robyncutie/jody1/sandow2000.gif)
(http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/weis/index_files/eugensandowsm.jpg)
his triceps look just as big and ripped as Meso's there.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
his triceps look just as big and ripped as Meso's there.

Don't agree. Meso looks bigger and better in every department , except legs? But then are you saying that Meso is in fact the greatest natural of all of time. That it should be his trophy that they hand out in Ohio ::)

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Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 02, 2008, 12:50:37 PM
people hjold fat in varying degrees in varing areas.

My arms look so so so lean than my stomach would tend to sugggest for eample


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
Don't agree. Meso looks bigger and better in every department , except legs? But then are you saying that Meso is in fact the greatest natural of all of time. That it should be his trophy that they hand out in Ohio ::)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)
look at the rest of him though, IMO the only thing that stands out on him are his tri's and his condition.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 02, 2008, 12:59:45 PM
Looks natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 02, 2008, 01:00:46 PM
look at the rest of him though, IMO the only thing that stands out on him are his tri's and his condition.

Dude, I agree but when you look at the pre steroid guys then none of them really look better. Guys like Reeves and Ross never even had abs.  He might not be running a lot of huge cycles but he's used something to get down to that condition and keep the size in the places he does have it.

The development of the triceps coupled with that conditioning make me sure that he isn't natural. If he is then props to the guy as he's one of the best naturals of all time.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 02, 2008, 01:01:32 PM
He's natty. There are plenty of dudes like that with ripped up tris. If he was juicing, with his genetics you would be able to tell. Not putting down Mes, he's got a physique that is built on weights, hard work and consistency, and genetics, and last but not least, not spending all his time on getbig trying to figure out who's juicing and who's not.

Now, Mysone, that dude I don't know, he's  got the right physique, in fact Mes looks looks like a smaller version, and Mysone was about 200 pounds. Isn't he also known as Jucco?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 02, 2008, 01:02:19 PM
Dude, I agree but when you look at the pre steroid guys then none of them really look better. Guys like Reeves and Ross never even had abs.  He might not be running a lot of huge cycles but he's used something to get down to that condition and keep the size in the places he does have it.

The development of the triceps coupled with that conditioning make me sure that he isn't natural. If he is then props to the guy as he's one of the best naturals of all time.
i see your point but i don't know, juiced or not he's a nice guy and doesn't seem to have a lot of attitude for looking as good as he does.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: kyomu on July 02, 2008, 01:49:33 PM
Damn what a fvkin genetic.
Looks great as usual Meso!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 02, 2008, 02:10:54 PM
(http://www.eugensandow.com/photos/ES001.jpg)
i bet some people on here would say those delts are not natural. Lol
Sandow gives ordinary people hope because we can all look decent if he managed it pre 1900...

but meso, your ugly so don't let that ego get out of control because people call you a user.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: affy on July 02, 2008, 02:13:51 PM
I honestly believe he's natural

Although if i wanted to doubt his natural status...it would be more because of his amazing strength then his physique

I think he said he could bench 315 10-12 reps any day of the week...he posted videos flat db pressing 160lb db


and Mysone admitted to using before..he's not a lifetime natural.  Probably the best non-competitive bodybuilding physique on the board


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 02, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
I honestly believe he's natural

Although if i wanted to doubt his natural status...it would be more because of his amazing strength then his physique

I think he said he could bench 315 10-12 reps any day of the week...he posted videos flat db pressing 160lb db


and Mysone admitted to using before..he's not a lifetime natural.  Probably the best non-competitive bodybuilding physique on the board
i would give that award to mike cox


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Stavios on July 02, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
I believe is in natty because he is black.

if he was white with those muscles and condition, I'd say juiced


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 02, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
I believe is in natty because he is black.

if he was white with those muscles and condition, I'd say juiced
fuckin genetics !  >:(


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Stavios on July 02, 2008, 02:31:27 PM
fuckin genetics !  >:(

yes !!! nothing you can do about it tho

you must accept what god gave your and be happy with it.
That's what I always say to my girlfriend when she complains about my small penis


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 02, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
yes !!! nothing you can do about it tho

you must accept what god gave your and be happy with it.
That's what I always say to my girlfriend when she complains about my small penis
haha  ;D

well,

errr

hahhaha  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 02, 2008, 02:35:25 PM
yes !!! nothing you can do about it tho

you must accept what god gave your and be happy with it.
That's what I always say to my girlfriend when she complains about my small penis
haahhahaaah  LOL  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: whateva on July 02, 2008, 07:11:54 PM
I believe he is natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 02, 2008, 07:39:57 PM
Most people weigh others against their own accomplishments this is why they have a hard time believing he is natural.  he's probably around what 180lbs? I can see him being natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 02, 2008, 07:50:38 PM
Yes, why not.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 08:50:34 PM
I'd like to see a picture of his legs.  I'm sure he's top heavy like most black guys.  I see some of the biggest black guys walking around the gym but when you look down below their waist it's hard not to chuckle!  :) 

Oh and by the way I call bullshit on him having never touched a bodybuilding drug in his life.  I grew up in East St. Louis with plenty of "brothas" and I saw some big, strong, mofos and some naturally muscular guys but I NEVER saw anyone with abs like that. But for all we know he could have had liposuction on his stomach like a lot of bodybuilders and fitness models.  I mean come on this is like Serge Nubret's dumbass getting on here and saying how he was/is natural.  The bodybuilding world is full of LIARS!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: sgt. d on July 02, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
that black guy looks natural
we have maybe 5 guys in our gym with simlilar physique, all lifetime naturals and in there 20s


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 02, 2008, 09:30:48 PM
I doubt he's using. Like everyone else said, good genetics and work ethic plus years in the gym.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 09:33:17 PM
I'd like to see a picture of his legs.  I'm sure he's top heavy like most black guys.  I see some of the biggest black guys walking around the gym but when you look down below their waist it's hard not to chuckle!  :) 

Oh and by the way I call bullshit on him having never touched a bodybuilding drug in his life.  I grew up in East St. Louis with plenty of "brothas" and I saw some big, strong, mofos and some naturally muscular guys but I NEVER saw anyone with abs like that. But for all we know he could have had liposuction on his stomach like a lot of bodybuilders and fitness models.  I mean come on this is like Serge Nubret's dumbass getting on here and saying how he was/is natural.  The bodybuilding world is full of LIARS!

you never saw a natural with abs like that? holy shit man, you see those abs in the average swiming pool every day
liposuction my ass  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 09:40:54 PM
that black guy looks natural
we have maybe 5 guys in our gym with simlilar physique, all lifetime naturals and in there 20s


Unless you are with them 24/7 for 365 days a year NO ONE not even their closest best friend or gf/wife knows what they do behind closed doors.  Especially lifetime.  If there are that many fucking lifetime naturals in there 20's walking around in your gym well they should all be on the cover of Men's Health or someshit making six hundred g's a year.  If most of us have realized anything about the bodybuilding and fitness culture it is that 3/4 of all people are liars and will do anything to prop up their "image".  Whether that image is being a world class bodybuilder claiming to be natural or some local gym hero who makes all the other guys drool over his "lifetime" natural physique.  This guy could very well be natural.  But I can honestly say he's not more genetically gifted than Phil Heath.........and I've seen Phil Heath play BBall for DU before he caught the bodybuilding bug and the boy was muscular but didn't have abs like that.  

I'd like to know more about this guys background.  How long training, age, weight, pics of his legs, etc.  Judging by one side pose with his tris and abs is hard to tell.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 09:43:39 PM
you never saw a natural with abs like that? holy shit man, you see those abs in the average swiming pool every day
liposuction my ass  ::)

Nope sorry I live in SoCal and I see plenty of people at the beach, brothas on the BBall courts, and people at swimming pools and abs like that are few and far between.  Even at ClubMetrx I rarely see guys with abs like that and we have some hardcore juicers and some big guys.  So maybe you live in the genetic gene pool of bodybuilding physiques. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 09:50:15 PM
Robby Robinson still claims his dumbass is a lifetime natural.  Please ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
phil heath was a basketball player, of course he looked the way he did- like a basketball player
you live in SoCal, yeah i haven't been there but from what i heard , in USA people buy AAS from the gym?? and 4out of 5 gymrats use roids?
well over here, let me tell you its IMPOSSIBLE to obtain any kind of drug in the gym or from ANYWHERE
for that matter, i know there are foreigners in korea who are reading this right now , ask them right now
if they were able to get ANY type of AAS in korea.
and there are tons of guys with abs like that black guy, with similar ripped physiques in our gym.
i posted pics before, look it up.
even the guys who only train Taekwondo here (we have taekwondo training here too) have ripped abs.
the world your living in seems so different....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 09:56:32 PM
and don't ask me how korean professional bodybuilders look the way they do cause i have no idea
maybe they go overseas, pump there bodys full of shit or god knows what, then come back and compete?
no idea....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 09:59:10 PM
phil heath was a basketball player, of course he looked the way he did- like a basketball player
you live in SoCal, yeah i haven't been there but from what i heard , in USA people buy AAS from the gym?? and 4out of 5 gymrats use roids?
well over here, let me tell you its IMPOSSIBLE to obtain any kind of drug in the gym or from ANYWHERE
for that matter, i know there are foreigners in korea who are reading this right now , ask them right now
if they were able to get ANY type of AAS in korea.
and there are tons of guys with abs like that black guy, with similar ripped physiques in our gym.
i posted pics before, look it up.
even the guys who only train Taekwondo here (we have taekwondo training here too) have ripped abs.
the world your living in seems so different....


So you're telling me all black guys and asian guys have to do is train TaeKwondo and they can have abs like that?  Wow we white boy Americans must have some shitty ass genetics.  How many black NFL players have abs like that and are lifetime naturals?  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 10:00:40 PM
and don't ask me how korean professional bodybuilders look the way they do cause i have no idea
maybe they go overseas, pump there bodys full of shit or god knows what, then come back and compete?
no idea....

So is that you in your avatar?  Are you a lifetime natural?  I doubt steroids are non-existant in Korea.  You can get just about every other drug there.....why would steroids be any different?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 10:02:26 PM
So you're telling me all black guys and asian guys have to do is train TaeKwondo and they can have abs like that?  Wow we white boy Americans must have some shitty ass genetics.  How many black NFL players have abs like that and are lifetime naturals?  

dude, i see on TV- american soccer, football, mma, sprinters and they all look phenominal -ripped and pretty big too.
don't tell me none of them are naturals ::)    even david beckham has ripped abs - just like every other average soccer player


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 02, 2008, 10:04:35 PM
So is that you in your avatar?  Are you a lifetime natural?  I doubt steroids are non-existant in Korea.  You can get just about every other drug there.....why would steroids be any different?

no, you can't get 'every other drug' here, have you been to korea?
and yes thats me, and yes i am.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flexingtonsteele on July 02, 2008, 10:17:48 PM
Im just curious, what brought about this discussion??

Mesomorph hasnt posted here in ages ???


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 02, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
no, you can't get 'every other drug' here, have you been to korea?
and yes thats me, and yes i am.

You're a liftetime natural?  

David Beckham has abs??????? LMFAO!!!!!!! I've seen PLENTY OF PICS of him and his abs are nothing to write home about.  Now Beckham's abs most definitely are natural
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/06/18/david-beckham-new-armani-underwear-ad/


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 02, 2008, 11:17:25 PM
these?

also smaller triceps back then as bench press not invented...i belive this plays a a large part in tricep development

not necessary at all, gymnasts get way bigger than mesomorph without ever touching barbells. 

(http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/multimedia/archive/00712/BD_B_4057266-b14_gr_712428b.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 02, 2008, 11:19:08 PM
not necessary at all, gymnasts get way bigger than mesomorph without ever touching barbells. 

(http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/multimedia/archive/00712/BD_B_4057266-b14_gr_712428b.jpg)

Those midgets are all arms/shoulders.
Very impressive though.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: 240 is Back on July 02, 2008, 11:20:39 PM
meso =

doesn't post leg shots.
incredible genes
very nice and mature dude
190 pounds if I recall

natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 02, 2008, 11:25:02 PM
that black guy looks natural
we have maybe 5 guys in our gym with simlilar physique, all lifetime naturals and in there 20s


I suppose youre natural too?  ::)
give me a break.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 02, 2008, 11:32:11 PM
I suppose youre natural too?  ::)
give me a break.
He says he is  ::)  :-X


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 02, 2008, 11:52:13 PM
not necessary at all, gymnasts get way bigger than mesomorph without ever touching barbells. 

(http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/multimedia/archive/00712/BD_B_4057266-b14_gr_712428b.jpg)
he spends more time in the weights room than he does practising those gymnastics movements..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 02, 2008, 11:55:18 PM
Dragon....please post again your picture so th3e whole board can spot the fact that you take aas to look like that. Both you and meso are liars and noone likes a liar.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 02, 2008, 11:55:49 PM
he spends more time in the weights room than he does practising those gymnastics movements..

those "gymnastics movements" are the exercise dipshit.  what do you think is holding him up in that position?  you don't understand leverage.  That straddle planche shown takes tremendous power


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 03, 2008, 01:05:00 AM
He says he is  ::)  :-X

Another "muscular phenomenon" then.  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 03, 2008, 01:05:52 AM
Another "muscular phenomenon" then.  ::)
;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 03:14:24 AM
Most people weigh others against their own accomplishments this is why they have a hard time believing he is natural. 

Exactly.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 03:17:38 AM
Exactly.
::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 03, 2008, 03:40:23 AM
most of those who claim he s not natural have absolutely no clue about what they re talking about and have very few experience in the gym / working out naturally or are incredibly bitter and frustrated (spermastase).


another thing; HE S FUCKING FLEXING in these pics !


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 03:56:07 AM
most of those who claim he s not natural have absolutely no clue about what they re talking about and have very few experience in the gym / working out naturally or are incredibly bitter and frustrated (spermastase).


another thing; HE S FUCKING FLEXING in these pics !
I have expirience both naturaly and hormonized and have genetics at least as good if not better. STFU


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 04:04:12 AM
 Whether the guy is natural or not is something you may never know for sure. However, being in this sport for many years and having attained very good results myself naturally, I believe one can look like this guy without steroids, especially if he has great genetics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:08:19 AM
Whether the guy is natural or not is something you may never know for sure. However, being in this sport for many years and having attained very good results myself naturally, I believe one can look like this guy without steroids, especially if he has great genetics.
if you can show me someone hormone aas and fatburner free that is this full and hard at this low bf level then I'll bow out...but there is no such thing....low bf natties are small flat and devoid of pump. This kid is ripped and has 18 inch guns...I have sen tons of his pictures


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 03, 2008, 04:11:46 AM
I have expirience both naturaly and hormonized and have genetics at least as good if not better. STFU

even on steroids you looked worse than him and I ve seen your "physique"; i destroy you and i'm also natural.

You have psychological issues, you don't have what it takes to get muscular and maintain it, pick another hobby and stop complaining , then whoring for attention, then crying, then asking for attention again, stop lying about your life, you're a desperate edelusional has been who never was with no self confidence.

you are a poor midget, a crybaby, and i bet you got your business from your father, if this business bullshit is true, which i doubt anyway.


Give it up, you're way too dumb.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:13:11 AM
 1805       Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Training Q&A / Re: New breakthrough in pondages have you had any       on: December 28, 2005, 02:07:06 PM
strength is relative.. to me 455lbs is heavy for me i dont care if its light to bobby tom or sue... never claimed to be a beast.
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1806     Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Training Q&A / Re: New breakthrough in pondages have you had any    on: December 28, 2005, 01:49:52 PM
i squat sarc..
455lb in fact...
i do ALL excersises
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1807     Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Training Q&A / Re: New breakthrough in pondages have you had any    on: December 28, 2005, 01:44:45 PM
240 i think strenght should go hand in hand with muscular weight... am i right(since people love to brag about it so much)
i used to do chins when i first started to train i was probably 150 muscular...
i remember in a competition i did 28 chins.. im now a lot bigger and heavies and i can and have easily beat that number.. in fact the most ive done is 40...
i think big guys can do chins.. its just that they are hard so a lot of people wll go any avenuue rather than doing them... i have seen pics of coleman doin chins when he was well over 250...
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this kid is so full of shit


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:14:13 AM
some of my good lifts
315 barbell rows 8 reps
dips ith 4 plates around my waiste 8 reps
bench 4 plates 1 rep smith
4 reps 365 lbs normal bench
6 reps 105 dumbells choulder press

4 reps flat dumbell press 165 dumbells (75 kg each)


MESOMORPHSLIFTS


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:15:09 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/PICT0291.png)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gympreacher2004.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/smallPICT0278.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/smallP1010246.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gymP1010233.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gymP1010223.jpg)
(http://f10.putfile.com/main/8/21610410174.jpg)
(http://f10.putfile.com/main/7/19820283043.jpg)


i live on 2 meals a day... little sleep... no supplements diet nada..."


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 04:20:01 AM
Im just curious, what brought about this discussion??

Mesomorph hasnt posted here in ages ???

Meso has a knack for causing meltdowns without even posting, just his pics seem to do it, started years back. Funny as he is such a laid back humble guy.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 04:20:51 AM
Whether the guy is natural or not is something you may never know for sure. However, being in this sport for many years and having attained very good results myself naturally, I believe one can look like this guy without steroids, especially if he has great genetics.

If you look so great naturally then post your pics.  I'd love to see your abs compared to his.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:21:44 AM
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/PICT0291.png)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gympreacher2004.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/smallPICT0278.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/smallP1010246.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gymP1010233.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gymP1010223.jpg)
(http://)

All genetics. No respect.

Like showing off that you are 6'5" or something... ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:22:48 AM
Well either way, he is barred from entering the 2009 Mr. Worst Genetics Get Big Contest...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 04:23:03 AM
Oh and definitely after seeing those other pics he could certainly be natural.  Those pics also say to me his legs and calves are weak.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:24:28 AM
Oh and definitely after seeing those other pics he could certainly be natural.  Those pics also say to me his legs and calves are weak.

Lots of Black guys don't train legs; don't know why though....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MAXX on July 03, 2008, 04:24:42 AM
those lifts are fucking incredible considering how much he wheighs and that he is natural!

hey getbiggers. i have an idea! lets put an end to the speculating and make him do a drug test. this pellius dude dont need donations he did a crime why should we donate him its his own fault.

instead. everyone should donate atleast 10$ for this meso drug test fund  ;D

im willing to put up 20$ for this fund. :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 04:27:42 AM
Well either way, he is barred from entering the 2009 Mr. Worst Genetics Get Big Contest...

Pretty much. I had to laugh last year when made a joking post about entering the Mr Getbig and sheer meltdowns erupted ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:28:24 AM
No Legs.... ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 03, 2008, 04:35:34 AM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 04:36:31 AM
Oh and definitely after seeing those other pics he could certainly be natural.  Those pics also say to me his legs and calves are weak.

He said before his calves sucked quite bad.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:36:31 AM
Pretty much. I had to laugh last year when made a joking post about entering the Mr Getbig and sheer meltdowns erupted ;D
i AM STARTING TO THINK THAT A BITCH SLAP IS SOMETHING BROADS LIKE U NEED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE...you are one annoying twat. He is not A nattie just like you..2 liars


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 03, 2008, 04:37:40 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)


 :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:37:59 AM
 1601       Getbig Main Discussion Boards / Training Q&A / Re: NOT a impressive lift but...       on: April 23, 2006, 06:12:02 PM
havent benched since i last tried... i did try 405.... but i got stuck just on lock out so the huy touched my bar.. so i dont count that as a rep... been pluggin it away at the dumbells..i'll get it soon...
i think 200 are ok.. but not as spectacular or out of the reach of gym lifters other than pros...
eddie robinson was sayin snot was hangin rom his nose when he did the 200lbs...
 Roll Eyes Grin Grin Grin


i am not small... my arms are 18 and 3/4...how can i be small withbetween 5-8% bodyfat with those size arms
... on a 190lb frame... how is that small.. the pics below better show my size.. or lack of.... im not a iffb pro or a guy that juices..
im just a regular lifter... and by those standards.... if 18+ inch arms at such low bodyfat is small.. then im glad to be small.. please post ur pics and show me what size you have that i can have something to aspire to Wink



thx for the shout out anyway



orry man forgot to answer bout the quats...
i have strong legs but initially i never trained them at all.. i just used to train upper body...

i have squatted 405 for reps.. but that was until i learned REAL squats neends to go ASS to ANKLES..a whoooole different ball game all together...
now im back down to 315 for 10... but ass too the grass.... which has really blown my quads up..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:39:33 AM
Where are his fucking legs?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 03, 2008, 04:40:51 AM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)

Team natural baby!!!!!!!!  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 04:41:07 AM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)

Never touched a drug in his life?  yeah ok  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 04:41:28 AM
i AM STARTING TO THINK THAT A BITCH SLAP IS SOMETHING BROADS LIKE U NEED EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE...you are one annoying twat. He is not A nattie just like you..2 liars

I am politely posting my opinions and for this I need to be slapped?

It's amusing almost, if it wasn't so classless.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:42:39 AM
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naw to truly "compete"
i have to be the best i can be..
that would mean i would have to start to do the whole nutrition supplement diet.. thing... naw..
ima just sit on the sidelines and watch....
so far its a ery oddball match up.. adonis.. goudy ...mike...
all three have totally diff physiques


so this cloonce he decides to eat more than 2 meals a day, buy some supps he's gonna do what ?  ::)



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 04:44:20 AM
5'8" ... 195 lbs at 6-7 %

are you all retards ??? this kid is on drugs


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 04:46:43 AM
Team natural baby!!!!!!!!  ::)

Where are your wheels Blackman?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: RZA on July 03, 2008, 04:48:39 AM
He might be on drugs but I wouldn't be surprised if he was really natural. this can be achieved naturally with discipline, smart training, diet of course and enough time. i don't get the automatic hatin' just because he's lean and in shape.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 05:01:27 AM
i don't get the automatic hatin' just because he's lean and in shape.

You're on getbig RZA, it's what we do here ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: TrueGrit on July 03, 2008, 05:09:15 AM
 It's possible, yes. Of course..that doesn't make it so. Some people seem too sure on both sides of the equation. The only person who knows is the guy himself.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 03, 2008, 05:16:48 AM
why are you so angry at him spermastase  :D

the guy dont even post or care, and you're suddenly on his nuts for what reason?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 05:18:54 AM
This is me a few years back, no steroids , and not in contest shape at 5'9 185. Not saying it's great, but it shows someone who was working out since age 13 at the age of 34.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 03, 2008, 05:20:59 AM
5'8" ... 195 lbs at 6-7 %

are you all retards ??? this kid is on drugs

he's actually closer to 6'0" feet I think.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 05:22:34 AM
Here's one a year earlier from a show, dieted down to 174 pounds, no steroids. Again, not bragging, but I had guys that thought I was on in these shots.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 03, 2008, 05:25:33 AM
Here's one a year earlier from a show, dieted down to 174 pounds, no steroids. Again, not bragging, but I had guys that thought I was on in these shots.
you forgot to train traps.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 05:28:12 AM
Looking good Chemist...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 05:28:28 AM
you forgot to train traps.

This better? In the relaxed shot, I'm holding my delts up too high so it makes my traps, which I admit aren't my best part, look even smaller.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Stu on July 03, 2008, 05:41:58 AM
This better? In the relaxed shot, I'm holding my delts up too high so it makes my traps, which I admit aren't my best part, look even smaller.

You look at the level that I would consider the limit for a natural with good genetics/work ethic, not sure about the Jerry Springer hairdo though...!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 05:44:02 AM
You look at the level that I would consider the limit for a natural with good genetics/work ethic, not sure about the Jerry Springer hairdo though...!
Hey..this was early 90's. At least I still have the same hairline today at 45.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 03, 2008, 06:01:34 AM
He might be on drugs but I wouldn't be surprised if he was really natural. this can be achieved naturally with discipline, smart training, diet of course and enough time. i don't get the automatic hatin' just because he's lean and in shape.

All genetics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 03, 2008, 06:08:59 AM
Here's one a year earlier from a show, dieted down to 174 pounds, no steroids. Again, not bragging, but I had guys that thought I was on in these shots.

Had you played with steroids at all previous to this? Lifetime natural? Or since?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 06:21:31 AM
Had you played with steroids at all previous to this? Lifetime natural? Or since?
Yes. About 9 years before those shots were taken, I did a very small cycle for the Mr. West palm beach show in 85. By small I mean a few Winstrol Tabs a day for about 6 weeks. In 86 I did a little more..about 200 mg of Primo a week and about 7 or 8 winstrols for about 3 months prior to a show. Here's a pic from that show where I weigh about 194. Then I stopped using and competing.. and in the mid 90's I went into some drug tested shows. Haven't used since 1986, don't think there's anything wrong with it, but I don't like the whole part about shutting down your hormones and then waiting for them to come back ,bit. Too many guys I competed with need HRT cause they stayed on too long. 

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Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: benchthis on July 03, 2008, 06:24:48 AM
Theres some guy @ the university gym who plays football...dumb ass fuck too he said " I barely found out what dem steroids was a few weeks ago didnt wants to take them i dont want to get pricked ".....
Well he walks in puts on 315 without warming up or anything does about 12 reps
puts on 405 does about 10 reps
puts on 495 does about 2-3 reps without a spot with his pinkie on the ring of the bar
and leaves doesnt even put the weight away


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 03, 2008, 07:31:29 AM
good physique Chemist.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 03, 2008, 07:32:04 AM
good physique Chemist.
Thanks.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 07:46:06 AM
yes !!! nothing you can do about it tho

you must accept what god gave your and be happy with it.
That's what I always say to my girlfriend when she complains about my small penis
here is your problem believing God gave him great genetics. Hes black and from america. Look at the black guys anywhere in africa. They look medicore at best. The reason Blacks in America have good genetics is because of the White mans ability to breed the best possible specimens for work. Not to be racist here, but the reason they have good builds and are strong is because during slavery they were bred to be strong.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 07:59:53 AM
here is your problem believing God gave him great genetics. Hes black and from america. Look at the black guys anywhere in africa. They look medicore at best. The reason Blacks in America have good genetics is because of the White mans ability to breed the best possible specimens for work. Not to be racist here, but the reason they have good builds and are strong is because during slavery they were bred to be strong.

Meso is not American.

Edit: that sounded kind of 'snarky' didn't mean to btw.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 08:15:48 AM
where is he from?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 08:20:53 AM
here is your problem believing God gave him great genetics. Hes black and from america. Look at the black guys anywhere in africa. They look medicore at best. The reason Blacks in America have good genetics is because of the White mans ability to breed the best possible specimens for work. Not to be racist here, but the reason they have good builds and are strong is because during slavery they were bred to be strong.

That's part of it definitely, though the genetics were already strong beyond deliberate American breeding, as seen when making the comparison with the Carribean rather than Africa. There was slavery there too but no deliberate breeding done as far as a i know, and Carribean genetics for BB and sprinting are as good as it gets.

Couple that with better nutrition, relative to the 3rd world.

Meso looks natural to me, the only question was arm size. Good physique chemist.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Euro-monster on July 03, 2008, 08:22:00 AM
where is he from?

Why dont you read a thread first so you know who we are talking about f uckface..

Hope this "heps"..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 03, 2008, 08:22:42 AM
where is he from?
he's from England via the Caribbean.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Euro-monster on July 03, 2008, 08:24:13 AM
Yeah..why dont you help that lazy fuck... ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 03, 2008, 08:27:22 AM
meso has great genetics and a fantastic physique. almost everyone has an inferior physique to him but that does not mena he is on steroids. i truly believe he is natural.

at his weights those lifts are awesome.

bear in mind genetifcs, years training, dedication and you can look like meso. few will tho its possible.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 08:29:17 AM
almost everyone has an inferior physique to him but that does not mena he is on steroids.

This is key, they don't look as good despite trying desperately (sevastase for example) so of course that's the theory.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 08:30:06 AM
he's from England via the Caribbean.

thats cool. my point still stands.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 08:31:32 AM
Yeah..why dont you help that lazy fuck... ::)

its always good to know there are wonderful people like yourself willing to help others.

jackass


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 08:34:37 AM
This is key, they don't look as good despite trying desperately (sevastase for example) so of course that's the theory.


this is me drug free biotch...I'll gladly takeon meso ina bb contest anytime at 180 lbs without AAS...

we had this discussion last year retard


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 03, 2008, 08:46:39 AM
Taking him on and winning aren't the same thing, LOL!

With better pics, posing and a little less dieting it looked like he could have won Mr. GetBig.  Maybe he overdieted or something like that.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 08:47:23 AM
this is me drug free biotch...I'll gladly takeon meso ina bb contest anytime at 180 lbs without AAS...

we had this discussion last year retard

dude no offense but ure delusional if you think you would even stand a chance against this guy. He look phenominal.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 08:48:13 AM
Taking him on and winning aren't the same thing, LOL!

With better pics, posing and a little less dieting it looked like he could have won Mr. GetBig.  Maybe he overdieted or something like that.
bitch please


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 08:48:39 AM
people like sementaste will use any thread as an excuse to dump his pics and make wild claims to turn the focus onto him. he should move in to Arvilla's trailer ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 08:49:19 AM
dude no offense but ure delusional if you think you would even stand a chance against this guy. He look phenominal.
I would beat him in a bb contest hands down...let's see the legs


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 08:49:31 AM
dude no offense but ure delusional if you think you would even stand a chance against this guy. He look phenominal.

hahahaha


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 03, 2008, 08:54:39 AM
bitch please

I know what the problem is.... You have a magic mirror at home.

You're in good shape for a natty but I really hope you aren't that small and doing any drugs. In comparing upper bodies you aren't even close to being in the same class as the better pics of Meso when it comes to size. Not dissing you, just putting it out there in Romanian-speak as I know your people tend to be very stubborn and need to get in the last word always.

Like I wrote, you're in good shape for a natural and look very lean but be real, dude. You're not even close to Meso in size.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 03, 2008, 08:55:08 AM
sevaste ur bones must be made of lead to claim such weights.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 08:58:29 AM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)

A "natural" pro with high mucle insertions and shitty muscle shape.

Black men = good genetics. Even the one's from Africa have above average genetics, but can hardly show it because they're starving.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: nicky.smth on July 03, 2008, 08:58:47 AM
Someone's been visiting the all you could eat roids, gh, and nubain bufet.

Apparently they have one of those buffets in Romania...


Meso also genetics,hard work..   Sementase all drugs....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 03, 2008, 09:00:30 AM
Apparently they have one of those buffets in Romania...


Meso also genetics,hard work..   Sementase all drugs....

He can't be on drugs.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 09:07:25 AM
I know what the problem is.... You have a magic mirror at home.

You're in good shape for a natty but I really hope you aren't that small and doing any drugs. In comparing upper bodies you aren't even close to being in the same class as the better pics of Meso when it comes to size. Not dissing you, just putting it out there in Romanian-speak as I know your people tend to be very stubborn and need to get in the last word always.

Like I wrote, you're in good shape for a natural and look very lean but be real, dude. You're not even close to Meso in size.
:D :D :D

he's bigger too ?? hahahahahha


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 03, 2008, 09:10:31 AM
Great the post whoring starts. ::)  The guy who this thread was started for has a lot better physique than the twink above.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 03, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
His pecs are better too!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:12:38 AM
Great the post whoring starts. ::)  The guy who this thread was started for has a lot better physique than the twink above.

he knows he looks like shit. hes just bored, lonely and is forced to live in a third world shithole.
very sad.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 09:12:50 AM
Great the post whoring starts. ::)  The guy who this thread was started for has a lot better physique than the twink above.

yeah you look decent. but you have a really shity chest, legs are cut, but small, shoulders are decent and arms are nothing spectacular, plus your back sucks. meso would destroy you.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 03, 2008, 09:19:19 AM
yeah you look decent. but you have a really shity chest, legs are cut, but small, shoulders are decent and arms are nothing spectacular, plus your back sucks. meso would destroy you.

Be careful or he will throw up a clip of the vid where he's benching 405 with fake plates or the vid with his crazy tennis serve. This guy is a beast. ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: nicky.smth on July 03, 2008, 09:23:46 AM
He can't be on drugs.

Have you ever seen the pics of him next to the Jaguar....Also he has bragged about using steroids in the past.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 09:24:32 AM
Be careful or he will throw up a clip of the vid where he's benching 405 with fake plates or the vid with his crazy tennis serve. This guy is a beast. ::)

well thats just a consequence of arguing with sev about someone who looks better than him.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mass 04 on July 03, 2008, 09:27:10 AM
lots of jealousy(especially from our Euro trash friend). Meso is a strong dude who looks good and has a good attitude.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 03, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
yeah you look decent. but you have a really shity chest, legs are cut, but small, shoulders are decent and arms are nothing spectacular, plus your back sucks. meso would destroy you.
::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 03, 2008, 09:31:26 AM
LOL he can't even fill out a Polo shirt. This guy is HYOOOOOOOOOGEEEE!!!!!






























































 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: james_hetfield on July 03, 2008, 09:34:39 AM
thanks for proving my point.
it really doesnt matter how many pics you post, you still dont look better. Get over it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: musclehedz on July 03, 2008, 09:34:45 AM
As natural like michael lockett.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Coach on July 03, 2008, 09:37:06 AM
he spends more time in the weights room than he does practising those gymnastics movements..

Not the brightest are you?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Coach on July 03, 2008, 09:40:36 AM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)

He's about as natural as a test tube baby. Someone exposed his lies about a month or two ago.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 03, 2008, 09:43:18 AM
What's funny is that Spermatese is an admitted steroid user and couldn't hold a candle to Meso.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 09:50:45 AM
I don't know this sevetese guy but he must be a real prick in person.  One of those guys who always has to talk about himself even though  the subject is completely unrelated to what was just said.   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 03, 2008, 09:53:29 AM
I don't know this sevetese guy but he must be a real prick in person.  One of those guys who always has to talk about himself even though  the subject is completely unrelated to what was just said.   

Yup, he's the type of guy that has tons of "One time, at band camp" stories. :-\  I bet his parents are kicking themselves in the ass for not smashing him with a shovel when he was an infant. ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MindSpin on July 03, 2008, 10:43:38 AM
He's about as natural as a test tube baby. Someone exposed his lies about a month or two ago.

Really?  Please elaborate....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bobby on July 03, 2008, 12:30:20 PM
Really?  Please elaborate....

+1 really wanna hear this! :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 12:48:04 PM
noway the hell mesamrph aint no fuckin natti this mofo got more drug in hims bodys then a mofo farmacey this sumbitch is a druggy  i dont give a fuck what anybody says this mofo probly dranks stroids fur breckfest


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 03, 2008, 12:54:22 PM
He's about as natural as a test tube baby. Someone exposed his lies about a month or two ago.


Debussey would REALLY like to hear how Layne was "exposed" ::)

Somebody made some fake "I wanna buy roids" thing about Layne, but that's about it.

Layne = natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 03, 2008, 12:55:57 PM

Debussey would REALLY like to hear how Layne was "exposed" ::)

Somebody made some fake "I wanna buy roids" thing about Layne, but that's about it.

Layne = natural.


thanks for your opinion,

but I think this is one of the times your 53IQ works against you...maybe next time, bud  :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 03, 2008, 01:16:48 PM
What's funny is that Spermatese is an admitted steroid user and couldn't hold a candle to Meso.
maybe thats why he keeps posting the same pics over and over and over every week and so for pure unalterated attention whoring.

Here we have a guy who spend his whole life claiming how happy and great he is on an internet messageboard yet get nothing satisfying in return.

He's obsessed with so many things it's  scary, the fool can't do shit to feel better about himself. Obviously a psychiatric, mental issue.

At least spermastase is a good example for most newbies who start lifting weights; don't become that guy :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 03, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
He's about as natural as a test tube baby. Someone exposed his lies about a month or two ago.
Damn you either must look like a complete pile of shit or have absolutely no clue about weight lifting to state something so fecking stupid.

When you have no clue what you re talking about, just stfu.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 01:20:30 PM
Layne Norton has admitted using superdrol.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: FullROM on July 03, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
Layne Norton has admitted using superdrol.

when? can you back this up?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 03, 2008, 01:47:45 PM

thanks for your opinion,

but I think this is one of the times your 53IQ works against you...maybe next time, bud  :-\


Why? Because of weak unproveable assumptions about Laynes alledged "drug use", justified only by ignorant jerkoffs version of "common sense"?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: affy on July 03, 2008, 02:19:25 PM
He's about as natural as a test tube baby. Someone exposed his lies about a month or two ago.

link?

I have my doubts about him being natural...but no proof + a INBA card = he's natural



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 03, 2008, 02:20:15 PM

Why? Because of weak unproveable assumptions about Laynes alledged "drug use", justified only by ignorant jerkoffs version of "common sense"?

cut the crap...why don't you show the rest of this thread how you reallllly feel  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 02:21:24 PM
You're asking for proof from the Coach?



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 03, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
cut the crap...why don't you show the rest of this thread how you reallllly feel  ;)


Debussey has been following Layne for years, and finds the alligations of Layne being a roid user to be stupid and unjust.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: TrueGrit on July 03, 2008, 02:34:59 PM
Layne is an objectionable asshole but I believe 100% that he is a lifetime natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
Off topic - but Layne was super cool with the Mr Getbig. When I had that drama over the 'prohormone was it is steroid' thing, I emailed him out of the blue knowing he was getting his doctorate in that area - and he did not know me from a hole in the wall - and he came with a really comprehensive reply, pics of the chemical makeup and all this stuff in a matter of hours. Thought it was very nice of him.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 03, 2008, 02:44:51 PM
+1 really wanna hear this! :D

Me too.

Coach explain yourself!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dov on July 03, 2008, 03:13:16 PM
"Mesomorph" looks great and I've enjoyed his vids. It's gotta be a good feeling to be accused of AAS use if you're actually clean. I grew up around a lot of black athletes and it was truely amazing to see how some looked and also what some could do in the weight room so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 03:16:28 PM
"Mesomorph" looks great and I've enjoyed his vids. It's gotta be a good feeling to be accused of AAS use if you're actually clean. I grew up around a lot of black athletes and it was truely amazing to see how some looked and also what some could do in the weight room so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 03, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
"Mesomorph" looks great and I've enjoyed his vids. It's gotta be a good feeling to be accused of AAS use if you're actually clean. I grew up around a lot of black athletes and it was truely amazing to see how some looked and also what some could do in the weight room so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
i agree.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 03:20:19 PM
"Mesomorph" looks great and I've enjoyed his vids. It's gotta be a good feeling to be accused of AAS use if you're actually clean. I grew up around a lot of black athletes and it was truely amazing to see how some looked and also what some could do in the weight room so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
that sumbitch mesmrph is on the shit!!! if you cant see that you is sumbitch i dont give a fuck what you grow up around that mother fucker is dirty you cant see that sumbitch


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 03, 2008, 03:24:56 PM
the jealousy is strong in this thread.

I am not even in the league of mesomorph and day in day out you get the wee guys in my gym accusing me of taking gear. Meso would be crucified in mine lol.

Pure jealousy


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 03, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
the jealousy is strong in this thread.

I am not even in the league of mesomorph and day in day out you get the wee #### in my gym accusing me of taking gear. Meso would be crucified in mine lol.

Pure jealousy
yep.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 03:28:18 PM
yep.
thats all you got sumbitch that mofo is dirty i look better then this sumbitch on the shit i dont even need the shit jealous


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 03:29:27 PM
Where's Banner?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Emmortal on July 03, 2008, 04:19:34 PM
The dude is clean (this is coming from an AAS user).  It's pretty easy to see that the guy is not on anything.  He's not huge at all and just because he's got trcieps like that doesn't mean jack.  He's got great genetics, much like many african americans do.  If he was white, I'd be on the fence, but without a doubt he's not on AAS.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
The dude is clean (this is coming from an AAS user).  It's pretty easy to see that the guy is not on anything.  He's not huge at all and just because he's got trcieps like that doesn't mean jack.  He's got great genetics, much like many african americans do.  If he was white, I'd be on the fence, but without a doubt he's not on AAS.
man you are a crazy sumbitch how you gong to say this mofo is clean hes a dirty mofo sumbitch jealous


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 04:24:53 PM
The dude is clean (this is coming from an AAS user).  It's pretty easy to see that the guy is not on anything.  He's not huge at all and just because he's got trcieps like that doesn't mean jack.

Bullshit. Like you can fucking look at him and say for certain he is natural. Billy Gunns looks natural. Cummdrizzle looks natural. Looking like you could be natural is not some 'proof' that you fucking are.
 hahahaha If this guy is natural he's one of the greatest ever as his physique is better than anything from the pre steroids era, black or white. He clearly has used something. Damn, some deluded souls on here ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
i just stumbled across this thread also...
..
those pics are like 4 yrs old a lot bigger now..
and like i said on the other thread i am 1000% natural...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
i am 1000% natural...


sure you are ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: sgt. d on July 03, 2008, 04:32:47 PM
Sevas why do you hate CQ?  ???


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
Sevas why do you hate CQ?  ???
He hates anyone not living in third world squalor, like him


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 04:39:36 PM
just to repeat my post from another thread


wow i just stumbled on this its  1:30 am here so this is arushed reply
like ive said before... I have no reason to lie.. Im 1000000000% natural

... everything i have said i could do i have posted by vid... or pic..
there is no gain for me to lie about that.. i dont do anything im not proud of so.. if i took steroids or anything .. i wouldnt hide it...
to the originator of this thread... im assuming your from the states...
i will be definetley in miami in the middle of september.. staying near miami beach ..
if your close by .. drop by.. we can train and you can do whatever test free
 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 03, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
just to repeat my post from another thread


wow i just stumbled on this its  1:30 am here so this is arushed reply
like ive said before... I have no reason to lie.. Im 1000000000% natural

... everything i have said i could do i have posted by vid... or pic..
there is no gain for me to lie about that.. i dont do anything im not proud of so.. if i took steroids or anything .. i wouldnt hide it...
to the originator of this thread... im assuming your from the states...
i will be definetley in miami in the middle of september.. staying near miami beach ..
if your close by .. drop by.. we can train and you can do whatever test free
 8)


I believe you ! you must be flattered guys think you're on lol you have a great build keep up the good work.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 03, 2008, 04:40:58 PM
Dragon....please post again your picture so th3e whole board can spot the fact that you take aas to look like that. Both you and meso are liars and noone likes a liar.

my pics scream one thing : cardio,hard dieting, vascularity
dude you look like shit even on every fucking hormone on the planet, no wonder you hate any decent looking natural
i pity you


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 04:41:17 PM
Sevas why do you hate CQ?  ???

Guy has been gunning for me for a year. All as Mindspin banned him from the Mr Getbig as he posted all about using gear. He will be very difficult to deal with this year I am sure.

Meso - unless you look like total crap ppl here accuse you of gear use. Take it as a compliment, you look great.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Banner on July 03, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
Where's Banner?

markdavis is Banner approved, sumbitches


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 03, 2008, 04:48:36 PM
5'8" ... 195 lbs at 6-7 %

are you all retards ??? this kid is on drugs

your calling 5'7 165Ibs 6~7%  all drugs too   
STFU ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 04:48:57 PM
before i log off i have work at 8:30am
 i have to say sevaste why all the hate
i have never dissed you or ur physique i think you have a good build and perform good lifts
even when everyone...  accused u of fake weights
i still believe the lifts were genuine.. ...
ive told you many times after you have accused me i am natural...
.. and then you come on this thread accusing me again.. of taking all kind of drugs or whatever....
that low man....
just for the record i see your posting some old pics of me.... to support your accusation.. those pics.. some of them are up to 4 yrs old.. im a lot bigger and with the same if not better cuts...
just because you used drugs to get to whatever weight you got to doesnt mean everyone has or has to...
some of the posts ive read from you on this thread are really low man...
and disrespectful.... not cool


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 04:51:47 PM
just to repeat my post from another thread


wow i just stumbled on this its  1:30 am here so this is arushed reply
like ive said before... I have no reason to lie.. Im 1000000000% natural

... everything i have said i could do i have posted by vid... or pic..
there is no gain for me to lie about that.. i dont do anything im not proud of so.. if i took steroids or anything .. i wouldnt hide it...
to the originator of this thread... im assuming your from the states...
i will be definetley in miami in the middle of september.. staying near miami beach ..
if your close by .. drop by.. we can train and you can do whatever test free
 8)


You may very well be natural and if so props to you cause you have a physique that most people couldn't achieve with all the drugs in the world.  HOWEVER, this is the bodybuilding world bro and most of us don't know you from John Doe.  You know HOW MANY Pro bodybuilders and fitness models spew the same bullshit you just spewed?  EVen to this day you've got guys like Serge Nubret and Robby Robinson claiming to be lifetime naturals and saying the tired old line "why would I lie?  There is nothing to gain etc!"  LMAO!  Your physique may not be your livelihood like fitness models and bodybuilders so you're right you may not have a reason to lie BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS EVERY FUCKING REASON TO LIE about their steroid use.  THEIR ENTIRE FUCKING IMAGE RESTS UPON their body and people thinking if they do what the Serge Nubret or Robby Robinson do i.e. take these supplements, train this way, eat my diet, follow MY ADVICE SO I CAN MAKE MONEY then you too can look like ME!  With all due respect I'm not flaming you and no one but you and god know what you've put into your body.  And you have every right to defend yourself.  But this is still bodybuilding and fitness industry that is for the most part built upon this whole grand illusion of guys/girls saying they are drug free to make money.  

Curious what do you do for a living?  Does it in ANY way shape or form invovle your physique?  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 04:52:26 PM
Guy has been gunning for me for a year. All as Mindspin banned him from the Mr Getbig as he posted all about using gear. He will be very difficult to deal with this year I am sure.

Meso - unless you look like total crap ppl here accuse you of gear use. Take it as a compliment, you look great.
..thx for the compliment cq...
coming from you thats way cool ;)




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 04:54:39 PM
before i log off i have work at 8:30am
 i have to say sevaste why all the hate
i have never dissed you or ur physique i think you have a good build and perform good lifts
even when everyone...  accused u of fake weights
i still believe the lifts were genuine.. ...
ive told you many times after you have accused me i am natural...
.. and then you come on this thread accusing me again.. of taking all kind of drugs or whatever....
that low man....
just for the record i see your posting some old pics of me.... to support your accusation.. those pics.. some of them are up to 4 yrs old.. im a lot bigger and with the same if not better cuts...
just because you used drugs to get to whatever weight you got to doesnt mean everyone has or has to...
some of the posts ive read from you on this thread are really low man...
and disrespectful.... not cool


Post up some recent pics then!  Post your diet!  Share your knowledge with the rest of us that have to achieve what you have with drugs.  Maybe I can learn something from you?  What supplements do you take?   ::)  You could be the next Phil Heath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 04:57:44 PM
An Olympia winner on steroids for sure. I mean, he's '1000% natural' and already has a physique better than anyone from the pre-steroid era ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 04:58:41 PM
You may very well be natural and if so props to you cause you have a physique that most people couldn't achieve with all the drugs in the world.  HOWEVER, this is the bodybuilding world bro and most of us don't know you from John Doe.  You know HOW MANY Pro bodybuilders and fitness models spew the same bullshit you just spewed?  EVen to this day you've got guys like Serge Nubret and Robby Robinson claiming to be lifetime naturals and saying the tired old line "why would I lie?  There is nothing to gain etc!"  LMAO!  Your physique may not be your livelihood like fitness models and bodybuilders so you're right you may not have a reason to lie BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS EVERY FUCKING REASON TO LIE about their steroid use.  THEIR ENTIRE FUCKING IMAGE RESTS UPON their body and people thinking if they do what the Serge Nubret or Robby Robinson do i.e. take these supplements, train this way, eat my diet, follow MY ADVICE SO I CAN MAKE MONEY then you too can look like ME!  With all due respect I'm not flaming you and no one but you and god know what you've put into your body.  And you have every right to defend yourself.  But this is still bodybuilding and fitness industry that is for the most part built upon this whole grand illusion of guys/girls saying they are drug free to make money. 

Curious what do you do for a living?  Does it in ANY way shape or form invovle your physique? 
wsup man ...
i work in the banking...world
i dont train to make money ... or anything like that i just train to blow off steam and relax... and primarily to build strength....
im not sayin to anyone you can or cant look like me.. ... in fact i dont think im anything special...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 05:01:59 PM
Damn you either must look like a complete pile of shit or have absolutely no clue about weight lifting to state something so fecking stupid.

When you have no clue what you re talking about, just stfu.
Pithy


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 05:04:55 PM
Post up some recent pics then!  Post your diet!  Share your knowledge with the rest of us that have to achieve what you have with drugs.  Maybe I can learn something from you?  What supplements do you take?   ::)  You could be the next Phil Heath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... ha ha  phil heath is a bber ... im a recreational lifter big difference..
i have no intention of ever being a bber....

i have no diet..... i dont diet no cardio...
 i can tell you what i ate today

.....   
took a packet or oreos to work to munch on at my desk

.. lunch time i ate 5 hot wings and chips

for dinner i had pork with rice...
this is bible truth....
 oh and i train legs today



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:05:11 PM
wsup man ...
i work in the banking...world
i dont train to make money ... or anything like that i just train to blow off steam and relax... and primarily to build strength....
im not sayin to anyone you can or cant look like me.. ... in fact i dont think im anything special...



Well your physique for just training to "blow off steam" and "relax" rivals presteroid era physiques like SweetMuscles said and these presteroid bodybuilders spent probably 6 hours a day in the gym with a great attention to diet.  So yeah I'd say you're pretty special dude.  Your abs rival most steroid using bodybuilders.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: whateva on July 03, 2008, 05:05:49 PM
wsup man ...
i work in the banking...world
i dont train to make money ... or anything like that i just train to blow off steam and relax... and primarily to build strength....
im not sayin to anyone you can or cant look like me.. ... in fact i dont think im anything special...

You look great Meso ,I believe you are natural , a drug test won't prove nothing ,I've been tested every year, for the past 12 years ,and people like Sevastase,still accuse me of drug use  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 05:06:36 PM
Great the post whoring starts. ::)  The guy who this thread was started for has a lot better physique than the twink above.
hahaha


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 05:07:38 PM
I don't know this sevetese guy but he must be a real prick in person.  One of those guys who always has to talk about himself even though  the subject is completely unrelated to what was just said.   

hahahahaah that's about it. Geek alert.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Zaphod on July 03, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
An Olympia winner on steroids for sure. I mean, he's '1000% natural' and already has a physique better than anyone from the pre-steroid era ::)

Supplement science has come a long way. Look at all those ads, you can see pictures of real scientists in them.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:10:30 PM
... ha ha  phil heath is a bber ... im a recreational lifter big difference..
i have no intention of ever being a bber....

i have no diet..... i dont diet no cardio...
 i can tell you what i ate today

.....   
took a packet or oreos to work to munch on at my desk

.. lunch time i ate 5 hot wings and chips

for dinner i had pork with rice...
this is bible truth....
 oh and i train legs today



 ::)  Dude ok I'm putting on my waiters cause the shit's gettin deep now LOL.  If that's the case bro you are wasting your entire potential and could make twice as much money as you do now with those genetics.    


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 03, 2008, 05:10:43 PM
... ha ha  phil heath is a bber ... im a recreational lifter big difference..
i have no intention of ever being a bber....

i have no diet..... i dont diet no cardio...
 i can tell you what i ate today

.....   
took a packet or oreos to work to munch on at my desk

.. lunch time i ate 5 hot wings and chips

for dinner i had pork with rice...
this is bible truth....
 oh and i train legs today



i eat like that 1~2days a week... do you eat like that every day?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:14:01 PM
Supplement science has come a long way. Look at all those ads, you can see pictures of real scientists in them.

 True. When I see the dude in a lab coat, ripped and huge, looking at the product through a microscope, I know that I will gain crazy amounts of lean muscle (as opposed to fat muscle)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:17:51 PM
I mean shit bro your abs could rival those of Sergio, Dickerson, Nubret, Robinson,

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chrisdickerson/chrisdickerson2.jpg


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
I mean shit bro your abs could rival those of Sergio, Dickerson, Nubret, Robinson,

http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/chrisdickerson/chrisdickerson2.jpg

Absolutely. He has some bodyparts that destroy steroid and pre-steroid guys. All this and he is 1000% natural and only eats junk food and sometimes doesn't train at all and only then very casually, he can't remember  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
::)  Dude ok I'm putting on my waiters cause the shit's gettin deep now LOL.  If that's the case bro you are wasting your entire potential and could make twice as much money as you do now with those genetics.   

....
which brings me back to my point.... ive benn told by people that i could be a good bber....
anything i do .. i do to the best of my ability or i dont do it at all... to be a great bber.. a la coleman... levrone ...flex...  or even a really good amateur.. you have to take steroids.. .. i dont want to.. and i will never take steroids.... i dont hate people who do take them... or have anything against them.. but thats not for me...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 05:26:06 PM
Absolutely. He has some bodyparts that destroy steroid and pre-steroid guys. All this and he is 1000% natural and only eats junk food and sometimes doesn't train at all and only then very casually, he can't remember  ::)
i said i dont diet.. im jamaican so i eat mostly jamaican...
..however i train consistently... all the time hard and very heavy (for me) and a lot... i take 3 weeks off a yr max... because i love to train and when i dont train i get cranky


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 05:26:07 PM
my pics scream one thing : cardio,hard dieting, vascularity
dude you look like shit even on every fucking hormone on the planet, no wonder you hate any decent looking natural
i pity you

Quoted for truth.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:30:19 PM
mesomorph is natural. and im not an easy guy to fool.

his physique looks natural and he also seems to be a straight shooter so i take his word for it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:32:37 PM
Absolutely. He has some bodyparts that destroy steroid and pre-steroid guys. All this and he is 1000% natural and only eats junk food and sometimes doesn't train at all and only then very casually, he can't remember  ::)


And of course he's got nothing to gain by saying he's natural except having EVERY steroid using and nonsteroid using bodybuilder oohhing and aaahing over his "natural" genetic potential.  LOL.  But don't worry most of us were born yesterday, the world is full of honest, moral, ethical people!!!!!!!!!!!  

Like I said Robby Robinson will tell you he's a lifetime natural.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:33:03 PM
mesomorph is natural. and im not an easy guy to fool.

his physique looks natural

so does billy gunns' ::) and it doesn't look natural at all. It looks better than pretty much all the pre-steroid era guys. Maybe he doesn't want the people in his 'banking job' to know the truth but he ain't fucking natural, no way.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:35:59 PM
....
which brings me back to my point.... ive benn told by people that i could be a good bber....
anything i do .. i do to the best of my ability or i dont do it at all... to be a great bber.. a la coleman... levrone ...flex...  or even a really good amateur.. you have to take steroids.. .. i dont want to.. and i will never take steroids.... i dont hate people who do take them... or have anything against them.. but thats not for me...


Umm your "natural" abs could rival Levrone's, Coleman's, or Flex's at their peak.  That's what I'm saying.  You're not genetically gifted bro......for living off chips and fucking oreos you are GENETICALLY COSMIC like from ANOTHER FUCKING PLANET!  LMAO! 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:39:21 PM
so does billy gunns' ::) and it doesn't look natural at all. It looks better than pretty much all the pre-steroid era guys. Maybe he doesn't want the people in his 'banking job' to know the truth but he ain't fucking natural, no way.

you have no idea what your talking about. guy is obviously natural. and i said its a combination of his physique and his word.

im all for keeping it real, but i seen several shit talkers in this thread who obviously dont know shit about bodybuilding. including you.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:39:45 PM
mesomorph is natural. and im not an easy guy to fool.

his physique looks natural and he also seems to be a straight shooter so i take his word for it.

Dude you don't even know this guy.  LOL.  Do you hang out with him?  Are you with him 24/7 365 days a year.  Do you go into the bathroom with him in the morning?  There are guys that hide steroid use from their own wives.  Just ask Serge Nubret and he'll tell you all about his "natural" drug free training!  LMAO!  This kid has as good of abs at what 29-30 years old as Serge did during his peak.  This kid may not have used "steroids" but he sure as shit ain't "natural".  I.e. never taken any type of bodybuilding drug.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:41:41 PM
Look this page is going on damn near ten pages in the past what 48 hours?  LOL...........if he can razzle up this much attention on the internet just think what kind of attention he gets from friends and strangers at the gym when he says he eats "oreos and chips" and only works out to "relax" and let off some steam.   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: webcake on July 03, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
Maybe mesomorph just has really good genetics. (im being serious too)

You guys are acting like genetic freaks don't exist. They do, and meso may very well be one.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
Dude you don't even know this guy.  LOL.  Do you hang out with him?  Are you with him 24/7 365 days a year.  Do you go into the bathroom with him in the morning?  There are guys that hide steroid use from their own wives.  Just ask Serge Nubret and he'll tell you all about his "natural" drug free training!  LMAO!  This kid has as good of abs at what 29-30 years old as Serge did during his peak.  This kid may not have used "steroids" but he sure as shit ain't "natural".  I.e. never taken any type of bodybuilding drug.  

haha its obvious you have to believe he is using. him being natural is crushing you mentally.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:43:30 PM
you have no idea what your talking about. guy is obviously natural. and i said its a combination of his physique and his word.

im all for keeping it real, but i seen several shit talkers in this thread who obviously dont know shit about bodybuilding. including you.



hahahaha alright 'slaveboy' we can all see that you can instantly tell what someone may or may not use. after all, it is only pro bodybuilders who use steroids. you can look into a man's soul and flesh and proclaim him natural from your computer when he has a physique better than any certified, proven natural hahahahahaha


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:46:04 PM
hahahaha alright 'slaveboy' we can all see that you can instantly tell what someone may or may not use. after all, it is only pro bodybuilders who use steroids. you can look into a man's soul and flesh and proclaim him natural from your computer when he has a physique better than any certified, proven natural hahahahahaha

you cant haharize away that your feeling so inferior looking at mesos pics. :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Zaphod on July 03, 2008, 05:48:20 PM

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49493;image)

You're still talking about this dude, right? How tall is he? That would make all the diff. I could see him natural if he's 5'5" or under.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:49:24 PM
Maybe mesomorph just has really good genetics. (im being serious too)

You guys are acting like genetic freaks don't exist. They do, and meso may very well be one.

Yeah Arnold had "really really good genetics" as well as using steroids at 15-16 years old.  Meso78 doesn't do cardio and doesn't diet either!   ::)  Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?  If this guy came on here telling me he ate this many calories day in and day out, doing this amount of cardio, eating this amount of protein, carbs, fats, fruits, vegetables etc.  I might believe it.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:50:21 PM
you cant haharize away that your feeling so inferior looking at mesos pics. :D


hahaha even if that were true it  does not change the fact that he claims '1000% natural' ::) when he has a physique that beats all the pre-steroid era dudes and many users*


* guys like him who don't lie about being natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:52:15 PM
You're still talking about this dude, right? How tall is he? That would make all the diff. I could see him natural if he's 5'5" or under.

LOL The human body's abdominal muscles don't fucking grow that thick and defined naturally no matter how tall you are.  SHOW ME ONE PERSON FROM THE PRESTEROID ERA OF BODYBUILDING that has abs like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the while eating oreos and chips and not doing any cardio or any type of dieting.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 05:53:14 PM

Umm your "natural" abs could rival Levrone's, Coleman's, or Flex's at their peak.  That's what I'm saying.  You're not genetically gifted bro......for living off chips and fucking oreos you are GENETICALLY COSMIC like from ANOTHER FUCKING PLANET!  LMAO! 

Another idiots who's never been around urban black areas  :-\

Black men tend to have thicker abs.

Plus Meso is about 5'9" or so and 190 lbs. He's not a monster by any means. He's got full muscle bellies, which most black men have.

He never claimed to eat oreos. He just said he doesn't diet, but eats Jamaican food, which actually has quite a bit of protein in it.

Go away already.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 05:54:05 PM
Like I said I believed this guy might have been, MIGHT have been natural until he says he eats chips and oreos and does no cardio and doesn't diet.  Once he said that I knew he was full of shit.  No one has that great of genetics. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
LOL The human body's abdominal muscles don't fucking grow that thick and defined naturally no matter how tall you are.  SHOW ME ONE PERSON FROM THE PRESTEROID ERA OF BODYBUILDING that has abs like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the while eating oreos and chips and not doing any cardio or any type of dieting.

Black people are already very lean. Dude, have you even been out? Or do you live under a rock?

I can't believe this guy is having to deal with this kinda of bullshit. If you don't believe him then fine, but don't fucking be out calling him a liar. Just leave it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 05:56:19 PM
Like I said I believed this guy might have been, MIGHT have been natural until he says he eats chips and oreos and does no cardio and doesn't diet.  Once he said that I knew he was full of shit.  No one has that great of genetics. 

Jamaican food = beef patties, ox tail, fish, rice and other stuff.

lol  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:56:54 PM
hahaha even if that were true it  does not change the fact that he claims '1000% natural' ::) when he has a physique that beats all the pre-steroid era dudes and many users*


* guys like him who don't lie about being natural

you and sweetanus are obviously only trying to convince yourselfs that meso cant be natural.

=defeatist attitude+ignorance = loser salsa.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: webcake on July 03, 2008, 05:57:23 PM
All black guy genetics...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 05:59:32 PM
Another idiots who's never been around urban black areas  :-\

Black men tend to have thicker abs.

Plus Meso is about 5'9" or so and 190 lbs. He's not a monster by any means. He's got full muscle bellies, which most black men have.

He never claimed to eat oreos. He just said he doesn't diet, but eats Jamaican food, which actually has quite a bit of protein in it.

Go away already.

I know plenty of blacks. They can be huge mothers but none of them have his conditioning coupled with that development. yea,  many black guys have great genes but you still wont find a black from before the 50s (presteroid)  with that bodyfat and that kind of development. wont happen.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
anus is saying that anyone that eats oreos has to have great genetics.  :D

einstein has been reborn


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 03, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Another idiots who's never been around urban black areas  :-\

Black men tend to have thicker abs.

Plus Meso is about 5'9" or so and 190 lbs. He's not a monster by any means. He's got full muscle bellies, which most black men have.

He never claimed to eat oreos. He just said he doesn't diet, but eats Jamaican food, which actually has quite a bit of protein in it.

Go away already.

You fucktard I grew up in East St. Louis, LOOK IT UP!  I've probably had more black friends and been around more black guys than you've ever seen in your entire life.  You have no clue what you are talking about.  You act like every black guy walking around in "da hood" is some sort of ubergenetic bodybuilding freak.  Far from it.  The only guys walking around with abs like that are either on the basketball court doing copious amounts of cardio or running from the cops on a daily basis.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 06:01:07 PM
Like I said I believed this guy might have been, MIGHT have been natural until he says he eats chips and oreos and does no cardio and doesn't diet.  Once he said that I knew he was full of shit.  No one has that great of genetics. 


You're completely delusional. The chips n oreos thing is something like the Sergio diet, you didn't know this?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:01:15 PM
I know plenty of blacks. They can be huge mothers but none of them have his conditioning coupled with that development. yea,  many black guys have great genes but you still wont find a black from before the 50s (presteroid)  with that bodyfat and that kind of development. wont happen.


it already happened.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 06:02:29 PM
he has a physique that beats all the pre-steroid era dudes and many users*

How do you know it beats pre-steriod physiques, were you there? I don't agree with your guesses. Besides which things like nutrition and training have improved since then.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: whateva on July 03, 2008, 06:02:39 PM
Like I said before he looks great ,but  ,until we see some full body mandatories ,we can't really judge  ,many people looks really good in some poses and not so good in others , we didn't even see his legs yet.
  Who cares anyway, he looks good .


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:03:15 PM
you and sweetanus are obviously only trying to convince yourselfs that meso cant be natural.

=defeatist attitude+ignorance = loser salsa.



hahaha such a great argument you have to call people names instead of answer the charges. He could be natural and if he is then we are witnessing the greatest natural of all time. this dude has abs like no other from the pre-steroid times had. you need to go back in time and look at some real bodybuilders from the 50s and before and then you'll realize how dumb and ignorant you really are.




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MisterMagoo on July 03, 2008, 06:03:54 PM
do i think he's natural? i'm highly dubious.

however, if he is, good on him. it doesn't bother me enough to flip shit and try and tear the guy down. obviously a lot of people think they're closer to the body's natural limit than they really are and are getting pissed off that someone else is light-years ahead of them.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 03, 2008, 06:06:02 PM
You fucktard I grew up in East St. Louis, LOOK IT UP!  I've probably had more black friends and been around more black guys than you've ever seen in your entire life.  You have no clue what you are talking about.  You act like every black guy walking around in "da hood" is some sort of ubergenetic bodybuilding freak.  Far from it.  The only guys walking around with abs like that are either on the basketball court doing copious amounts of cardio or running from the cops on a daily basis.  

I live in New York.


His arms would measure 17.5 unflexed, which isn't difficult if you have low inserts and good genes. And in the ab shot he's flexing his abs, so it's a misleading picture. The only thing I'd question is his strength, I mean he inclines 160 lb dumbells(he's showed proof). Very few could do that without drugs, but if anyone could, Meso could.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
How do you know it beats pre-steriod physiques, were you there? I don't agree with your guesses. Besides which things like nutrition and training have improved since then.

Dude, you heard of a fucking camera? You heard of Reeves, Grimek, Ross? Go look at the ironage sites and look at pre-steroid era physiques. I know you got jungle fever but you gotta face facts, this is obviously not a natural physique and when he says the shit he does about eating crap all the time it makes it even more obvious.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:07:07 PM
hahaha such a great argument you have to call people names instead of answer the charges. He could be natural and if he is then we are witnessing the greatest natural of all time. this dude has abs like no other from the pre-steroid times had. you need to go back in time and look at some real bodybuilders from the 50s and before and then you'll realize how dumb and ignorant you really are.




answer the charges? i dont have answer any charges from you. i been on here for several years keeping it real, im far from naive when it comes to bodybuilding. but sometimes ignorant people like you lower the bar too far.  (mix of defeatist attitude and ignorance...like i said)

and im well versed with bodybuilding history, so you dont have to preach to the choir.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 06:08:26 PM
Dude, you heard of a fucking camera? You heard of Reeves, Grimek, Ross? Go look at the ironage sites and look at pre-steroid era physiques. I know you got jungle fever but you gotta face facts, this is obviously not a natural physique and when he says the shit he does about eating crap all the time it makes it even more obvious.

The jealousy is strong in this thread


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:08:56 PM
Dude, you heard of a fucking camera? You heard of Reeves, Grimek, Ross? Go look at the ironage sites and look at pre-steroid era physiques. I know you got jungle fever but you gotta face facts, this is obviously not a natural physique and when he says the shit he does about eating crap all the time it makes it even more obvious.

i think pumpster knows a thing or two about bb history. so once again your talking to someone who already knows more about the subject than you do.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
answer the charges? i dont have answer any charges from you. i been on here for several years keeping it real, im far from naive when it comes to bodybuilding. but sometimes ignorant people like you lower the bar too far.  (mix of defeatist attitude and ignorance...like i said)

and im well versed with bodybuilding history, so you dont have to preach to the choir.

Bullshit, you've offered no rational arguments at all. Just juvenile shit like insults and 'he's natural, I can tell' you got called out on it and couldn't even muster up a defence and instead just meltdown. So fucking what you been here a few years? That doesn't change the fucking fact that if this dude who eats oreos and junk is really natural then he beats just about every proven natural into submission Roll Eyes

 If he's natural then he's the greatest ever and doing a few cycles would see him turn pro .


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 06:15:37 PM
do i think he's natural? i'm highly dubious.



Of course you are, you angry racist. Because he blows you away in appearance and is as strong or stronger bwahahaahahh deal with it u beligerent skinhead.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 06:16:38 PM
Dude, you heard of a fucking camera? You heard of Reeves, Grimek, Ross? Go look at the ironage sites and look at pre-steroid era physiques. I know you got jungle fever but you gotta face facts, this is obviously not a natural physique and when he says the shit he does about eating crap all the time it makes it even more obvious.

I don't think you realize how big they were in reality, there's not much of a sense of scale in those pics, which you may not realize.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:17:11 PM
Bullshit, you've offered no rational arguments at all. Just juvenile shit like insults and 'he's natural, I can tell' you got called out on it and couldn't even muster up a defence and instead just meltdown. So fucking what you been here a few years? That doesn't change the fucking fact that if this dude who eats oreos and junk is really natural then he beats just about every proven natural into submission Roll Eyes

 If he's natural then he's the greatest ever and doing a few cycles would see him turn pro .

i seen several people who are natural with physiques like meso...so im guessing your living in estrogenville  :)

just admit you like keeping the bar down at your toes.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:19:52 PM
I don't think you realize how big they were in reality, there's not much of a sense of scale in those pics, which you may not realize.


well that's immaterial. We're judging photographs. I haven't seen this dude in 'reality' but I can sure as hell say that there ain't no naturals from the pre-steroid era who look as good as this guy. That condition and those arms are a dead giveaway.

I would put everything on him not being '1000% natural' . Hell, if he is then props to him as he's the greatest natural of all time. I can't think of anyone from the golden age who looked remotely as good and conditioned


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:21:11 PM
i seen several people who are natural with physiques like meso...so im guessing your living in estrogenville  :)





Post their pictures


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: pumpster on July 03, 2008, 06:22:14 PM

well that's immaterial. We're judging photographs. I haven't seen this dude in 'reality' but I can sure as hell say that there ain't no naturals from the pre-steroid era who look as good as this guy. That condition and those arms are a dead giveaway.



Wrong, you're speculating. Guys like Reeves were pretty damn big, it's just not that obvious. Same for Leroy Colbert, and i don't know that he was juicing.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:23:02 PM

well that's immaterial. We're judging photographs. I haven't seen this dude in 'reality' but I can sure as hell say that there ain't no naturals from the pre-steroid era who look as good as this guy. That condition and those arms are a dead giveaway.

I would put everything on him not being '1000% natural' . Hell, if he is then props to him as he's the greatest natural of all time. I can't think of anyone from the golden age who looked remotely as good and conditioned

yes there are, and besides......alot more people are bodybuilding these days. alot of people who could compete dont want to stand on a stage.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 06:24:58 PM
Post their pictures

I think I'll pull a sevetese and post my photo for no reason.

and yes.. Natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:26:50 PM
I think I'll pull a sevetese and post my photo for no reason.

and yes.. Natural.

be careful. posting that pic may put em on suicide watch.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
Wrong, you're speculating. Guys like Reeves were pretty damn big, it's just not that obvious. Same for Leroy Colbert, and i don't know that he was juicing.
Bullshit. Comparing this guy's photos to Reeves' isn't speculating , it's comparing two physiques.  I am not sayin that Reeves wasn't big. Show me a pic with his abs looking as good as this dude's and his tricep looking as big and shapely.

Anyway, we're both speculating. I'm speculating he ain't natural and you're speculating he is. Lot of people aren't buying this shit that he's natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
Bullshit. Comparing this guy's photos to Reeves' isn't speculating , it's comparing two physiques.  I am not sayin that Reeves wasn't big. Show me a pic with his abs looking as good as this dude's and his tricep looking as big and shapely.

Anyway, we're both speculating. I'm speculating he ain't natural and you're speculating he is. Lot of people aren't buying this shit that he's natural.

What happened to you? you use to be soo sweet and caring.. now your your just a sour grape.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:30:18 PM
Bullshit. Comparing this guy's photos to Reeves' isn't speculating , it's comparing two physiques.  I am not sayin that Reeves wasn't big. Show me a pic with his abs looking as good as this dude's and his tricep looking as big and shapely.

Anyway, we're both speculating. I'm speculating he ain't natural and you're speculating he is. Lot of people aren't buying this shit that he's natural.

and the ones who dont believe he is natural probably also look like shit.

195 at 5'11 or so isnt unheard of for a natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 06:30:57 PM
godammit ill say it again and again this sumbitch msemrph is a fuckin druggy it is easy to see this shit mofo takes more shit then then goddam wwf wraslers just look at the sumbitchgodammit who the fuck cant see that shit is a blind mofo you may excuse me i been drinking off work at noon


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
godammit ill say it again and again this sumbitch msemrph is a fuckin druggy it is easy to see this shit mofo takes more shit then then goddam wwf wraslers just look at the sumbitchgodammit who the fuck cant see that shit is a blind mofo you may excuse me i been drinking off work at noon

cum from markus zitz doesnt count


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Eisenherz on July 03, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Why cant he be natural? Just because he looks better than pre steroid era bbers...please.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:36:29 PM

195 at 5'11 or so isnt unheard of for a natural.

 Scale weight is not the main factor here. People are questioning  the kind of muscularity he is showing at that level of conditioning.  You won't find pictures of pre-steroid era guys looking as good as that. Yet this dude does all the '1000% natural' 'I swear on the bible' 'I just eat oreos and chicken wings' It's bullshit, plain and simple and all your responses are just insults. You can't handle the truth. Jack Nicholson is shouting it in your slave face.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: alexxx on July 03, 2008, 06:40:19 PM
Shout out to mesomorph.. looking incredible like always!!

I have two training partners same height as mes and both weight more or less 200pds. Both natural guys but not as lean or strong(anymore) as him.

So I see firsthand great natural builds on a daily basis. This has a great effect on a psyche, as the limits you put on yourself suddenly seem reachable and the physique you thought could only be achieved by drugs, is a lot closer to taking shape.

It takes a strong mind to build a strong body and mesomorph definitely has that.

Peace!





Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:40:45 PM
Scale weight is not the main factor here. People are questioning  the kind of muscularity he is showing at that level of conditioning.  You won't find pictures of pre-steroid era guys looking as good as that. Yet this dude does all the '1000% natural' 'I swear on the bible' 'I just eat oreos and chicken wings' It's bullshit, plain and simple and all your responses are just insults. You can't handle the truth. Jack Nicholson is shouting it in your slave face.

na your just jealous. pretty simple.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:43:22 PM
Shout out to mesomorph.. looking incredible like always!!

I have two training partners same height as mes and both weight more or less 200pds. Both natural guys but not as lean or strong(anymore) as him.

So I see firsthand great natural builds on a daily basis. This has a great effect on a psyche, as the limits you put on yourself suddenly seem reachable and the physique you thought could only be achieved by drugs, is a lot closer to taking shape.

It takes a strong mind to build a strong body and mesomorph definitely has that.

Peace!





alexxx obviously understands. you have to believe inorder to achieve.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: alexxx on July 03, 2008, 06:45:23 PM
alexxx obviously understands. you have to believe inorder to achieve.

Right on! :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: whateva on July 03, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
alexxx obviously understands. you have to believe inorder to achieve.
Alexx "The Champ'' , one of the best naturals on the planet.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:47:47 PM
na your just jealous. pretty simple.

Not at all. I would love to think that the greatest natural of all time is posting on getbig. Shame his diet advice is just 'eat oreos and chicken wings' ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
alexxx obviously understands. you have to believe inorder to achieve.

And you must stand before you pee..

things to live by.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 03, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
you beleive what you want that sumbitch mseomph is a druuggy gobammit you must be a fuckin druggy to if you take that sumbitchss side godmmit maybe you otta put up a pictre to you tuff guy sumbitch are you drinking


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 06:52:15 PM
you beleive what you want that sumbitch mseomph is a druuggy gobammit you must be a fuckin druggy to if you take that sumbitchss side godmmit maybe you otta put up a pictre to you tuff guy sumbitch are you drinking

I've strung together more coherent sentences after finishing a 2'4 and a joint. but party on.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:52:43 PM
Not at all. I would love to think that the greatest natural of all time is posting on getbig. Shame his diet advice is just 'eat oreos and chicken wings' ::) ::)

dont lie. your jealous and his level of development isnt unheard of for a natural. i seen several guys who are natural and as big as he is.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
well, if hes natural, he is the TRUE mr olympia. no ifs ands or buts about it. and if he is PROPS


but, lets just say that for 99.999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999% of the population no amount of dedication, hard work, or nutritional knowledge is going to allow you to look like that.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:55:11 PM
i seen several guys who are natural and as big as he is.

great, post their pictures


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 06:56:51 PM
great, post their pictures
post pictures of liars ? LOL.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 06:57:35 PM
well, if hes natural, he is the TRUE mr olympia. no ifs ands or buts about it. and if he is PROPS




absolutely, greatest natural off all time. 'Slaveboy' knows many naturals who look even better. He must have some secret island where he breeds the greatest naturals known to man ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 06:58:34 PM
absolutely, greatest natural off all time. 'Slaveboy' knows many naturals who look even better. He must have some secret island where he breeds the greatest naturals known to man ;D ;D
natural = bioidentical hormones... (test, slin, gh, t3.. )..  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 06:58:49 PM
well, if hes natural, he is the TRUE mr olympia. no ifs ands or buts about it. and if he is PROPS


but, lets just say that for 99.999999999999999999999 999999999999999999999% of the population no amount of dedication, hard work, or nutritional knowledge is going to allow you to look like that.

well, you wont know will you?  ;D

cuz you never had the balls to try



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 07:02:13 PM
well, you wont know will you?  ;D

cuz you never had the balls to try



Maybe, but at least he doesn't bullshit about it and is upfront about it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:03:47 PM
 i am who i say i am, if i wasnt = then why would i say i am ????  every second, everyday i am   8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:06:19 PM
Maybe, but at least he doesn't bullshit about it and is upfront about it.

lol. its called being weakminded. start using drugs when still basically sucking mommies titties.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dragon on July 03, 2008, 07:06:29 PM
Shout out to mesomorph.. looking incredible like always!!

I have two training partners same height as mes and both weight more or less 200pds. Both natural guys but not as lean or strong(anymore) as him.

So I see firsthand great natural builds on a daily basis. This has a great effect on a psyche, as the limits you put on yourself suddenly seem reachable and the physique you thought could only be achieved by drugs, is a lot closer to taking shape.
It takes a strong mind to build a strong body and mesomorph definitely has that.

Peace!

this is IMO the most important thing in getting a good natural physique...






Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:07:06 PM
i am who i say i am, if i wasnt = then why would i say i am ????  every second, everyday i am   8)

exactly. thats the sad part  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:09:06 PM
exactly. thats the sad part  :D
  i refer those reading to the training board to read slave's post


haha

 OWNED

 ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:11:10 PM
  i refer those reading to the training board to read slave's posts


haha

 OWNED

 ;D

please do. you should have spent more time reading it before you started juicing.  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:12:41 PM
please do. you should have spent more time reading it before you started juicing.  ;)
how often do you think about me every day ? 5 ? 10 ? 15 ?

lol..


candidizzle juices !~ candidizzle takes gear ! candidizzle candidizzle candidizzle !!
go start a thread about me dude; make it the tenth one this week...     ;D




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 07:12:46 PM
please do. you should have spent more time reading it before you started juicing.  ;)

2 in a row.. sourcandi your falling behind.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:13:33 PM
2 in a row.. sourcandi your falling behind.
saucetradmous and you claim to be natural..   haha...    ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 07:16:39 PM
saucetradmous and you claim to be natural..   haha...    ;D

I never gave myself the nickname.. it was derived from something my friends called me.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:17:15 PM
I never gave myself the nickname.. it was derived from something my friends called me.
oooohhhhhh okay SAUCETRADOMOUS the natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 07:17:28 PM
Shout out to mesomorph.. looking incredible like always!!

I have two training partners same height as mes and both weight more or less 200pds. Both natural guys but not as lean or strong(anymore) as him.

So I see firsthand great natural builds on a daily basis. This has a great effect on a psyche, as the limits you put on yourself suddenly seem reachable and the physique you thought could only be achieved by drugs, is a lot closer to taking shape.

It takes a strong mind to build a strong body and mesomorph definitely has that.

Peace!


Thread over, the man himself has spoken ;D



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 07:18:21 PM
I never gave myself the nickname.. it was derived from something my friends called me.

::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:20:15 PM
how often do you think about me every day ? 5 ? 10 ? 15 ?

lol..


candidizzle juices !~ candidizzle takes gear ! candidizzle candidizzle candidizzle !!
go start a thread about me dude; make it the tenth one this week...     ;D




obviously im in your head, because your following me around  :-*

lol start a thread about you? reverse psychology isnt working as i havent started a single thread about you.

and yeah, please go to the training board and ask the guys there who knows more about training slaveboy or candizzle.  
and yeah you can google that candizzle.  :)

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 03, 2008, 07:22:14 PM
::)

oooohhhhhh okay SAUCETRADOMOUS the natural


Shit... now you guys are jealous of my sweet nickname.  Where does it end?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 07:25:46 PM
On a serious note, we have Meso looking good - both Chemist and Sauce posted looking good - and I would ask that no one else posts pics looking good or else like Slaveboy said ppl will go onto suicide watch. Decent physiques seem to cause meltdowns on the board.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 03, 2008, 07:27:14 PM
obviously im in your head, because your following me around  :-*

lol start a thread about you? reverse psychology isnt working as i havent started a single thread about you.

and yeah, please go to the training board and ask the guys there who knows more about training slaveboy or candizzle.  
and yeah you can google that candizzle.  :)

 
haha... i follow YOU ?  ::)   "reverse psychology" go look that term up before you use it..haha.. dont want to look stupid again..  ;D      slave or candizzle..  ??? slave = " argh ! grab heavy thing and move heavy thing ! "   ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: JohnnyVegas on July 03, 2008, 07:27:46 PM
great, post their pictures

Told you this was Squad..... NO ONE tells every other poster on Getbig to POST  their pics........ except SF  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:28:47 PM
On a serious note, we have Meso looking good - both Chemist and Sauce posted looking good - and I would ask that no one else posts pis looking good or else like Slaveboy said ppl will go onto suicide watch. Decent physiques seem to cause meltdowns on the board.

what can i say CQ. im all for keeping it real but some people dont seem to realize you have to open the door before you can walk thru it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:29:41 PM
haha... i follow YOU ?  ::)   "reverse psychology" go look that term up before you use it..haha.. dont want to look stupid again..  ;D      slave or candizzle..  ??? slave = " argh ! grab heavy thing and move heavy thing ! "   ;D  ;D  ;D

im sure everyone follows you too, with such clear headed posts.  ;D

right?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 07:37:31 PM
On a serious note, we have Meso looking good - both Chemist and Sauce posted looking good - and I would ask that no one else posts pics looking good or else like Slaveboy said ppl will go onto suicide watch. Decent physiques seem to cause meltdowns on the board.

Dude(ette), this is a very old board. The best physiques ever have been posted a thousand times. The only time there has been 'meltdowns' is when people flat out lie about juicing or stats. No one is questioning chemist and sauce. There are a lot of people on here who know about juicing and know about the pre-steroid era. The dude is either lying or the greatest natural ever. Don't you think that's gonna generate some interest? Especially when he comes on all '1000% natural' 'I just eat shit food'


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
Dude(ette), this is a very old board. The best physiques ever have been posted a thousand times. The only time there has been 'meltdowns' is when people flat out lie about juicing or stats. No one is questioning chemist and sauce. There are a lot of people on here who know about juicing and know about the pre-steroid era. The dude is either lying or the greatest natural ever. Don't you think that's gonna generate some interest? Especially when he comes on all '1000% natural' 'I just eat shit food'

i hope they keep a close watch


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bast175 on July 03, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
This is a natural pro.. compare to meso
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/side_tricep2.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/MM5.jpg)(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/fls2.jpg)


 ::)
Layne is another one of my natural idols.. I hope to follow in his footsteps and get to 195 in contest shape.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:42:26 PM
Layne is another one of my natural idols.. I hope to follow in his footsteps and get to 195 in contest shape.

you found your calves yet?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bast175 on July 03, 2008, 07:44:23 PM
you found your calves yet?
yes


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 03, 2008, 07:46:54 PM
yes

where is the other hiding?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 08:01:12 PM
Dude(ette), this is a very old board. The best physiques ever have been posted a thousand times. The only time there has been 'meltdowns' is when people flat out lie about juicing or stats. No one is questioning chemist and sauce. There are a lot of people on here who know about juicing and know about the pre-steroid era. The dude is either lying or the greatest natural ever. Don't you think that's gonna generate some interest? Especially when he comes on all '1000% natural' 'I just eat shit food'

LOL @ dude(ette) :D

Thing being Meso had them melting back in the day already when he said he could lift XXX weight. Recall that? Pages of saying he was a liar and yet he posted the vids.

Of course I will have a biased view as I know 101% I'm natty yet still today someone says I am geared? Anyone whose seen me and thinks I am geared is a total moron, as I am hardly some great lean machine if you get my drift. Plus, Meso is my people, and I am very familar with the guys genetics here as I owned a gym for years here. Stavios looks great, admits to gearing and still got the 'haters' out. People say Jamie Eason is ugly?  Many things like that. We are pretty negative here in general imo.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Pete Nice on July 03, 2008, 08:15:23 PM
we must await GH15's response...t-minus 11 days

j/k...gh15 has actually stated Meso is natural...he has to be 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 03, 2008, 08:30:46 PM
Why wouldn't meso be natural? What about his physique is not natural? He doesn't look like a steroid freak to me.   

What, from the pics I saw, makes him the greatest natural ever? He's got big triceps, whoop-de-doo.........


if he is juicing, he needs to get his money back.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MindSpin on July 03, 2008, 08:56:21 PM
So is there any proof Layne used gear?  Superdrol??

BTW - Happy 4th to all the American GetBigger's...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 08:57:41 PM
Anyone have that pic of Layne in the white shirt and the usual vascularity found in naturals?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: benz on July 03, 2008, 08:57:59 PM
Mesomorph looks like a good candidate for a porn movie


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 08:59:09 PM
Mesomorph looks like a good candidate for a porn movie

That's pretty fuckin gay.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: benz on July 03, 2008, 09:00:32 PM
That's pretty fuckin gay.

dont deny our black brother would look great banging a white guy like candidizzle


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:11:26 PM
Why wouldn't meso be natural? What about his physique is not natural? He doesn't look like a steroid freak to me.   

What, from the pics I saw, makes him the greatest natural ever? He's got big triceps,

 You clearly don't know much about the pre-steroid era if you think that's run of the mill for a natural. Have a look at the golden age bodybuilders and find a physique that displays that kind of muscularity and condition. Good luck.

btw, not everyone who has used gear looks like a 'steroid freak' ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:12:53 PM
we must await GH15's response...t-minus 11 days

j/k...gh15 has actually stated Meso is natural...he has to be 8)

 No he didn't. He said he had definitely used. Man, so much bullshit being spouted on this thread.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 03, 2008, 09:13:27 PM
You clearly don't know much about the pre-steroid era if you think that's run of the mill for a natural. Have a look at the golden age bodybuilders and find a physique that displays that kind of muscularity and condition. Good luck.
When did I say he was run of the mill? He is exceptional no doubt, but the best ever? That's a mighty big statement.

He looks to be in good condition, with not very  much size compared to a juice monkey.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:16:35 PM
When did I say he was run of the mill? He is exceptional no doubt, but the best ever? That's a mighty big statement.

He looks to be in good condition, with not very  much size compared to a juice monkey.

 Billy guns juiced. Dude, juicing does not automatically mean huge mass monster. Some people juice to keep more muscle mass at very low bodyfat. Again, you won't find a dude from the pre-steroid era who looks like this guy.

 Juice doesn't always mean pro bodybuilder or guy with insane traps. You won't find any proven natural with his condition and muscularity.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 03, 2008, 09:22:54 PM
Billy guns juiced. Dude, juicing does not automatically mean huge mass monster. Some people juice to keep more muscle mass at very low bodyfat. Again, you won't find a dude from the pre-steroid era who looks like this guy.

 Juice doesn't always mean pro bodybuilder or guy with insane traps. You won't find any proven natural with his condition and muscularity.
Here we are at a crossroads............ho w do you "prove" a natural?

For as much effort as he obviously puts into the gym, if he was juicing, don't you think he would be bigger?

And since you're here, what about his physique screams "juicer" to you? To me the only exceptional body part that stands out is his triceps, the rest of him just looks like a lean black dude.

As far as the "presteroid era" goes, I think the training/diet/supplements of today could easily make up the difference in the natural physiques from then to now.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:33:11 PM
Here we are at a crossroads............ho w do you "prove" a natural?

For as much effort as he obviously puts into the gym, if he was juicing, don't you think he would be bigger?

And since you're here, what about his physique screams "juicer" to you? To me the only exceptional body part that stands out is his triceps, the rest of him just looks like a lean black dude.

As far as the "presteroid era" goes, I think the training/diet/supplements of today could easily make up the difference in the natural physiques from then to now.


 You can't really prove it. They do polygraphs in the natty comps but people lie so much the pre-steroid era is the only true way of knowing.

Why would he necessarily be bigger if he was juicing? I seen plenty of juicers with less size. I seen some with more. I seen some who use nothing but winny and look a lot like this dude (but not as good). As I keep saying to you, people don't only juice for size. Some people juice to maintain muscle while getting shredded.

 What screams juicer is what I said a thousand times: I haven't seen a natural with that level of muscularity and conditioning at the same time. Feel free to post examples of proven naturals that refute this.
 The training and diet back in the old days wasn't that backward, despite what the supp companies like to fool you into thinking - and buying their powders and potions for millions of bucks.

Lots of could, would and should.but no one is posting pictures of confirmed naturals that touch this dude. Then he turns round and starts with the 'I eat oreos and chicken wings ' bullshit.
If he'd said 'I eat every three hours..etc' but instead he came up with a load of shit. He ain't building that physique on no hormones and a shit diet. sorry, no fucking way.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
Whateva's got a great physique, is he natty?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 09:40:01 PM
Whateva's got a great physique, is he natty?

No >:(

It is impossible to look good naturally. You can only get to 150lbs, bench 135lbs, and get to 15% BF without gear >:(


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 03, 2008, 09:41:55 PM
No >:(

It is impossible to look good naturally. You can only get to 150lbs, bench 135lbs, and get to 15% BF without gear >:(
Then I'm f*cked. I've been a drug addict for years. I was 185 in high school and I didn't even know I was juicing.



Thanks getbig.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: windsor88 on July 03, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
No >:(

It is impossible to look good naturally. You can only get to 150lbs, bench 135lbs, and get to 15% BF without gear >:(


LOL


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 09:45:47 PM
No >:(

It is impossible to look good naturally. You can only get to 150lbs, bench 135lbs, and get to 15% BF without gear >:(

I've got the bodyfat part down!  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:46:45 PM
No >:(

It is impossible to look good naturally. You can only get to 150lbs, bench 135lbs, and get to 15% BF without gear >:(

Nice straw man but no one is saying shit like that. The fact is that this guy didn't build that physique , that he says is now bigger and better, on no AAS and the shitty diet he claims to eat. You can be as sarcastic as you like but it doesn't change what's obvious.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 09:50:01 PM
Nice straw man but no one is saying shit like that. The fact is that this guy didn't build that physique , that he says is now bigger and better, on no AAS and the shitty diet he claims to eat. You can be as sarcastic as you like but it doesn't change what's obvious.
(http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/images/denial-and-the-coming-data-meltdown.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 09:53:38 PM
(http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/images/denial-and-the-coming-data-meltdown.jpg)

Oh wow, a meltdown picture. Top marks for originality and top marks for your rational argument ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 09:55:25 PM
Anytime baby.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 03, 2008, 09:59:16 PM
Nice straw man but no one is saying shit like that. The fact is that this guy didn't build that physique , that he says is now bigger and better, on no AAS and the shitty diet he claims to eat. You can be as sarcastic as you like but it doesn't change what's obvious.

Is that you Mattc?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 10:02:38 PM
Is that you Mattc?

hahaha no, but I wondered if people would think it was ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 03, 2008, 10:04:34 PM
Layne Norton has admitted using superdrol.
wtf, where did he admit that?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 10:08:47 PM
There is some massive thread about him on bbing com where people start arguing with him using it and he starts saying it's not a roid or prohormone.

also, he doesn't look bigger or better than this dude when is cut down to that condition. Also, he is meticulous about diet and training. This guy comes on and is just 'I eat like shit' 'I eat whatever is cooked' 'I live on oreos and chicken wings'.
fair enough if he works for some banking firm and doesn't want to admit to using illegal drugs but the dude did not build that physique with no AAS and a shitty diet. No fucking way.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 10:46:57 PM
I live in New York.


His arms would measure 17.5 unflexed, which isn't difficult if you have low inserts and good genes. And in the ab shot he's flexing his abs, so it's a misleading picture. The only thing I'd question is his strength, I mean he inclines 160 lb dumbells(he's showed proof). Very few could do that without drugs, but if anyone could, Meso could.



i just had to read this thread before .. i left for work...
i didnt incline 160's
i did flat incline presses with them... i could handle 145 for a few reps though....
...
...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 10:49:30 PM
Shout out to mesomorph.. looking incredible like always!!

I have two training partners same height as mes and both weight more or less 200pds. Both natural guys but not as lean or strong(anymore) as him.

So I see firsthand great natural builds on a daily basis. This has a great effect on a psyche, as the limits you put on yourself suddenly seem reachable and the physique you thought could only be achieved by drugs, is a lot closer to taking shape.

It takes a strong mind to build a strong body and mesomorph definitely has that.

Peace!





wsup alxxx.... thx for the shoutout man...lookin good in that other thread..definet improvements


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 10:59:40 PM
Bodybuilders of the pre-steroid era.

John Grimek.



    * Mr. America 1940
    * Mr. America 1941
    * Mr. Universe 1948
    * Mr. USA 1949

(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/johngrimek/johngrimek16.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/johngrimek/johngrimek17.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/johngrimek/johngrimek3.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Emmortal on July 03, 2008, 11:03:20 PM
There is some massive thread about him on bbing com where people start arguing with him using it and he starts saying it's not a roid or prohormone.

also, he doesn't look bigger or better than this dude when is cut down to that condition. Also, he is meticulous about diet and training. This guy comes on and is just 'I eat like shit' 'I eat whatever is cooked' 'I live on oreos and chicken wings'.
fair enough if he works for some banking firm and doesn't want to admit to using illegal drugs but the dude did not build that physique with no AAS and a shitty diet. No fucking way.

You completely fail to realize the major difference between "good" white man genetics and "good" black man genetics.  Layne is a fucktard who used roids (superdrol is a steroid, sorry for whomever doesn't believe it, it's not up for debate it's a fact)  and Meso doesn't look anywhere near as big as Layne and is obviously natural.

I'm white and could never get that lean without juice thanks to my incredible Irish genes, but I've seen MANY MANY 100% natural black guys with very similar physiques as Meso.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
Clarence Ross

   
          o Mr. America 1945
          o Mr. America 1946
          o Mr. USA 1948
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/clarenceross/clarenceross11.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/clarenceross/clarenceross12.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/clarenceross/clarenceross14.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 03, 2008, 11:05:52 PM
sweetmuscles....
i have never smoked a ciggerate.. ive never being drunk never seen the inside of a cell...
iand i have definetley never and will never take any form of drugs....
im 5'11..200... 205lbs.  what so amazing about that.... ???
im from a christian background.... my gran dad is a pastor...
i had to go church every sunday without fail up until i was say 18...
so religion and god is very important to me..
and i swear to god i have never taken any form of steroids...
...
...i'm just a guy who likes to train...
ive always been lean and athletic... fastest boy in school... and one of the strongest.. but real skinny...
i always always always had abs...and biceps...

in fact the people talkin about my tris.. my tris suck....well on my physique in my opinion

anyway..... what more can i say
oh and shout out  to narsistic...... for the compliment..
and the great  whateva too
now i gotta do some mad fast drivin to getto work on time
peace



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 03, 2008, 11:10:57 PM
well being from a Christian background with a Pastor for a grandfather is one good reason not to admit to steroids. Hey, if you're natural then you're a true genetic marvel, props. These guys are the cream of the crop from the era before steroids became available and used in gyms across the world. you destroy these dudes even on your junk food diet of oreos and chicken wings. they spent the whole time shovelling steak and eggs and could only dream of your muscularity and condition bro.


George Eiferman

   
          o Mr. America 1948
          o Mr. Universe 1962

(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/georgeeiferman/georgeeiferman12.jpg)
(http://www.classicbodybuilders.com/bodybuilder/georgeeiferman/georgeeiferman1.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: musclehedz on July 03, 2008, 11:25:02 PM
wtf, where did he admit that?

That is only a small part of his drug usage. He has terrible genetics and a crappy structure. However he does know how to get lean.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 03, 2008, 11:41:47 PM
Where can we find more on his drug usage?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:16:39 AM
sweetmuscles....
i have never smoked a ciggerate.. ive never being drunk never seen the inside of a cell...
iand i have definetley never and will never take any form of drugs....
im 5'11..200... 205lbs.  what so amazing about that.... ???
im from a christian background.... my gran dad is a pastor...
i had to go church every sunday without fail up until i was say 18...
so religion and god is very important to me..
and i swear to god i have never taken any form of steroids...
...
...i'm just a guy who likes to train...
ive always been lean and athletic... fastest boy in school... and one of the strongest.. but real skinny...
i always always always had abs...and biceps...

in fact the people talkin about my tris.. my tris suck....well on my physique in my opinion

anyway..... what more can i say
oh and shout out  to narsistic...... for the compliment..
and the great  whateva too
now i gotta do some mad fast drivin to getto work on time
peace



I thought you said you were 5'9 and 190 lbs?  Yeah your tris suck man I think you should give up  and stick to eating oreos and potato chips.   ::)

Like I said Robby Robinson claims to be a lifetime natural.  Lee Haney is a big bible beater and to this day denies ever using steroids.  Same with Serge Nubret and Sergio Oliva.  They're all liars...........but why would they  lie?  They have nothing to gain right? 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:25:33 AM
There are idiots that think Kai Greene is natural.  Just go to BBing.com and the idiots come out of the woodwork. 

Here's what a natural black bodybuilder looks like, and a black one no less. 

http://www.liftforlife.com/mikewilliams.htm

Mike Williams actually lived a bodybuilding lifestyle i.e. ate 6 meals a day, trained his ass off, did cardio and DIETED!  But meso seems to accomplish what most natural bodybuilders do just "blowing off steam" and snacking on oreos.  LOL.  This thread just keeps getting more ridiculous. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:30:32 AM
Actually this guy makes me definitely believe meso is all natural.  This guy gained 40lbs in 4 months.  Something not even Ronnie Coleman with all his drugs could do!  And HE's WHITE! 

http://www.allnaturalbodybuilding.com/


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 04, 2008, 02:42:38 AM
A whilebackwe had another monster thread on this guy. I said he juices he kept on going about god and jamaican food and junkfood 2 x a day.

GH15 chimmed in and confirmed he must be on some shit ce no way in hell someone can cary 6% bodyfat , legit 18 inch guns ( he posted pictures ) and a condition / muscularity combo that would put him on stage and place at a national qualifier.

but before guys on getbig who never trained seriously dieted or took aas jumpon my throat....let me tell u something...once you attempt to go at 6 % 5'10 the first thing you notice is that your muscles melt away and you are lucky to hold 170-175 lbs of muscle.

when this clown comes here and tries to convince me that he is 5'10 6 % and 195 , ripped 18 inch guns, which he posted a pic, and preses 160's for 4-5 reps, which he did in a video , I have to admit that he must think we are the dumbest monkeys in the zoo....

Wake up people : he is lying which is no surprize to me since all bodybuilders or recreational lifters are pure narcisists , me included.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:43:54 AM
Moses Ajala claims he's natural.  So does Ade Rai!!!!!!  Remember him?  LOL.  

http://www.bodybuilderstellensichvor.de/mosesajala/mosesajala.html
http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/Ade-Ra.htm


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:49:52 AM
A whilebackwe had another monster thread on this guy. I said he juices he kept on going about god and jamaican food and junkfood 2 x a day.

GH15 chimmed in and confirmed he must be on some shit ce no way in hell someone can cary 6% bodyfat , legit 18 inch guns ( he posted pictures ) and a condition / muscularity combo that would put him on stage and place at a national qualifier.

but before guys on getbig who never trained seriously dieted or took aas jumpon my throat....let me tell u something...once you attempt to go at 6 % 5'10 the first thing you notice is that your muscles melt away and you are lucky to hold 170-175 lbs of muscle.

when this clown comes here and tries to convince me that he is 5'10 6 % and 195 , ripped 18 inch guns, which he posted a pic, and preses 160's for 4-5 reps, which he did in a video , I have to admit that he must think we are the dumbest monkeys in the zoo....

Wake up people : he is lying which is no surprize to me since all bodybuilders or recreational lifters are pure narcisists , me included.



There will always be delusional people in bodybuilding.  "Natural" bodybuilders are some of the biggest liars around.  Like I said if this meso guy would have come on here bragging about his bodybuilding lifestyle.......i.e. eating 6 times a day, 3000 calories with 300 grams or protein, working out 3-4 times a week, doing cardio 45 mins a day, and dieting when needed I MIGHT, A BIG MIGHT believe it.  But after this guy basically said he pays no attention to diet, does no cardio, and snacks on chips and oreos?  LOL And which is it.......does he way 190 or 205.  I know very few natural guys that can maintain that low of bodyfat and flucuate by 15lbs of solid muscle.  Is he 5'9 or 5'11?  And when you have such an impressive physique why be so humble about it and downplay it like it's no big deal?  LOL........modesty?  I doubt it! 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 02:52:07 AM
Hey sevastase remember these guys? 

http://www.thepowerteam.com/

  But they get all their strength from god!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 04, 2008, 02:56:29 AM
yes !!! I remember them on tv...l also remember how embarased I was to think that people would allow such a display of pure bullshittin on tv.

Any of the serious bodybuilders on this forum will confirm what I said : kid is on aas AND  fatburners....and another thing : even if he is on AAS he will not be this ripped eating shit without clen or ephedrine or a t3 combo.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 04, 2008, 02:58:15 AM

so religion and god is very important to me..
now i gotta do some mad fast drivin to getto work on time
peace
Ok, those two sentences have sealed the deal, your a complete fucking girl.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 04, 2008, 03:02:57 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222235.0;attach=260300;image)

This getbigger also claims natural, and hes in his 50s or somthing.
 ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 04, 2008, 03:05:54 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222235.0;attach=260300;image)

This getbigger also claims natural, and hes in his 50s or somthing.
 ::)
another liar

here's mesomorph's video...be patient , it loads slow....

" 110 dumbells 8 reps

seated militarys 225 - 10 rep
i military prolly once per month...
i prefer dumbells
Reply"





http://media.putfile.com/capture_20060225-035313

HIS FUCKKING PECTORALS HAVE STRIATIONS AND HE is full and cut. REALLY NICE PHISIQUE...i'M ADMIRING HIS DEVELOPEMENT...BUT NOT NATURAL AND A LIAR


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: FullROM on July 04, 2008, 03:08:39 AM
looking great mes


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Meso_z on July 04, 2008, 03:09:54 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222235.0;attach=260300;image)

This getbigger also claims natural, and hes in his 50s or somthing.
 ::)

hrt.  8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: musclecenter on July 04, 2008, 03:12:37 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222235.0;attach=260300;image)

This getbigger also claims natural, and hes in his 50s or somthing.
 ::)
Yes,I born 1953 and life-time natural .
I am not here to argue with you guys or be against people who juice.

And I post under my real name,address ,pics ....
Welcome all you guys to come to Tapei to check my claim .
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.250 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.250)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 03:44:54 AM
Striations don't equal juice, guys.

Stop being such haters and go back to the drawing board.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Devon97 on July 04, 2008, 05:02:35 AM
All genetics. I believe he is natty.

I DO NOT however believe those lifts.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MindSpin on July 04, 2008, 05:09:13 AM
Whateva's got a great physique, is he natty?

No.  But Arvilla is.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: affy on July 04, 2008, 05:54:26 AM
A whilebackwe had another monster thread on this guy. I said he juices he kept on going about god and jamaican food and junkfood 2 x a day.

GH15 chimmed in and confirmed he must be on some shit ce no way in hell someone can cary 6% bodyfat , legit 18 inch guns ( he posted pictures ) and a condition / muscularity combo that would put him on stage and place at a national qualifier.

but before guys on getbig who never trained seriously dieted or took aas jumpon my throat....let me tell u something...once you attempt to go at 6 % 5'10 the first thing you notice is that your muscles melt away and you are lucky to hold 170-175 lbs of muscle.

when this clown comes here and tries to convince me that he is 5'10 6 % and 195 , ripped 18 inch guns, which he posted a pic, and preses 160's for 4-5 reps, which he did in a video , I have to admit that he must think we are the dumbest monkeys in the zoo....

Wake up people : he is lying which is no surprize to me since all bodybuilders or recreational lifters are pure narcisists , me included.



what were you using when you benched 405 for 3?

All genetics. I believe he is natty.

I DO NOT however believe those lifts.

he's posted a shitload of videos throughout the years...search for them

160 flat for 4 was seriously impressive



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 06:08:36 AM
This Get-bigger also claimed he was natural and competed at 190 pounds.

Give me a freakin break!!

Liars everywhere on this board


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 04, 2008, 06:10:25 AM
All genetics. I believe he is natty.

I DO NOT however believe those lifts.

That is what everyone said, until he posted a truckload of vids doing them all.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 04, 2008, 06:13:50 AM
This Get-bigger also claimed he was natural and competed at 190 pounds.

At his height 190lbs is beleivable, anything under would be sucky. The guy is like 6ft 2/3"[?] or something.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 06:18:08 AM
I am in agreement with what sevastase said
Quote
"but before guys on getbig who never trained seriously dieted or took aas jumpon my throat....let me tell u something...once you attempt to go at 6 % 5'10 the first thing you notice is that your muscles melt away and you are lucky to hold 170-175 lbs of muscle."

Both Mesomorph or that other dude should be in their 170s if they were completely natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 06:22:48 AM
Drugs are so pervasive here that anytime someone looks decent they are acused of using something.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 04, 2008, 06:39:37 AM
No.  But Arvilla is.

Yep lifetime natty right there and proud of it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 06:44:38 AM
A whilebackwe had another monster thread on this guy. I said he juices he kept on going about god and jamaican food and junkfood 2 x a day.

GH15 chimmed in and confirmed he must be on some shit ce no way in hell someone can cary 6% bodyfat , legit 18 inch guns ( he posted pictures ) and a condition / muscularity combo that would put him on stage and place at a national qualifier.

but before guys on getbig who never trained seriously dieted or took aas jumpon my throat....let me tell u something...once you attempt to go at 6 % 5'10 the first thing you notice is that your muscles melt away and you are lucky to hold 170-175 lbs of muscle.

when this clown comes here and tries to convince me that he is 5'10 6 % and 195 , ripped 18 inch guns, which he posted a pic, and preses 160's for 4-5 reps, which he did in a video , I have to admit that he must think we are the dumbest monkeys in the zoo....

Wake up people : he is lying which is no surprize to me since all bodybuilders or recreational lifters are pure narcisists , me included.



Spot on Sev. I give you plenty of shit but this is 100% correct.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 07:39:59 AM
this thread isnt even about meso anymore. i know for a fact that a physique líke mesos can be achieved naturally...certainly not by everyone but its doable for some people.

like i said to even be in the ballgame you have to believe in order to achieve...believing is not a guarantee for succeeding but its a prerequisite.

keeping it real is one thing, but it seems like drugs/ignorance/jealousy has totally eroded and misconstrued the limits of natural bodybuilding.

as for speramastase = obvious little penis syndrome.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 07:43:01 AM
this thread isnt even about meso anymore. i know for a fact that a physique líke mesos can be achieved naturally...certainly not by everyone but its doable for some people.

like i said to even be in the ballgame you have to believe in order to achieve...believing is not a guarantee for succeeding but its a prerequisite.

keeping it real is one thing, but it seems like drugs/ignorance/jealousy has totally eroded and misconstrued the limits of natural bodybuilding.

as for speramastase = obvious little penis syndrome.



R Kelly believed he can fly. Did he?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 07:45:33 AM
R Kelly believed he can fly. Did he?

epic deep fried jealousy.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 04, 2008, 07:49:02 AM
Both Mesomorph or that other dude should be in their 170s if they were completely natural

Honestly, no flame, I don't know what experience you have but you really think you can only be 170lbs natty at well over 6ft tall ???

What do you think guys 1/2 foot shorter at 5ft 8" should be then? 130lbs?

A serious query, no flame.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 07:51:21 AM
Honestly, no flame, I don't know what experience you have but you really think you can only be 170lbs natty at well over 6ft tall ???

What do you think guys 1/2 foot shorter at 5ft 8" should be then? 130lbs?

A serious query, no flame.

i guess he is using the 'look in his own mirror logic'.  :D

and yes cocks can be longer than 2 inches.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 04, 2008, 07:57:45 AM
I went to highschool where the ratio was 70% black to white. You guys are seriously delusional if you think he is NOT natural, because he IS NATURAL. I saw guys at 15-16 years old that were as big as him, as ripped and could bench 225 for 15 reps, and this is at age 16. Some stereotypes are true, and one of those is blacks are more gifted athletes. Half the black guys I knew in school didn't even lift, and the majority were at the very least ripped. The ones that did lift, were just plain scary. Don't get so delusional that everyone that actually has a good build juices, because it just ain't so. Take a black kid with halfway decent genetics, throw him in the weight room for a few years, and this is what you get. Just my .02


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 07:59:51 AM
Honestly, no flame, I don't know what experience you have but you really think you can only be 170lbs natty at well over 6ft tall ???

What do you think guys 1/2 foot shorter at 5ft 8" should be then? 130lbs?

A serious query, no flame.

Under 6 Feet? 180 and below! A person 5'9" should be about 160s-170s as a natural!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 08:01:33 AM
I went to highschool where the ratio was 70% black to white. You guys are seriously delusional if you think he is NOT natural, because he IS NATURAL. I saw guys at 15-16 years old that were as big as him, as ripped and could bench 225 for 15 reps, and this is at age 16. Some stereotypes are true, and one of those is blacks are more gifted athletes. Half the black guys I knew in school didn't even lift, and the majority were at the very least ripped. The ones that did lift, were just plain scary. Don't get so delusional that everyone that actually has a good build juices, because it just ain't so. Take a black kid with halfway decent genetics, throw him in the weight room for a few years, and this is what you get. Just my .02

indeed but what do you expect from people who dont have any real world experience and just base their 'logic' on their own failures?   ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 04, 2008, 08:02:07 AM
Under 6 Feet? 180 and below! A person 5'9" should be about 160s-170s as a natural!
;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 08:02:42 AM
Under 6 Feet? 180 and below! A person 5'9" should be about 160s-170s as a natural!

must be warm in ethiopia this time of the year ehh?  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 08:06:22 AM
must be warm in ethiopia this time of the year ehh?  :D

Im talking about a person who is natural under 8 percent bodyfat.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bobby on July 04, 2008, 08:07:56 AM
Looks incredible...if he truly is natural he would be top6 in the world if he started juicing... he needs what, 30lbs more? and he could stand on the mrO stage and hold his own, Flex was 230 onstage, he would be a carbon copy of that...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 04, 2008, 08:12:57 AM
Looks incredible...if he truly is natural he would be top6 in the world if he started juicing... he needs what, 30lbs more? and he could stand on the mrO stage and hold his own, Flex was 230 onstage, he would be a carbon copy of that...
whoa....whoa....whoa.... ..let's not get ahead of ourselves here, the guy looks good but let's not hand the Olympia crown to him just yet.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 08:14:43 AM
Im talking about a person who is natural under 8 percent bodyfat.

people must be real fat in ethiopia.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 08:25:15 AM
Everyone keeps talking about these confirmed black naturals that look as good, or better, but don't nobody wanna post no pics.
I posted pictures of the proven naturals from the pre-steroid era so let's see some of these black naturals that look like that at that bodyfat.  Seriously, let's see the pictures of these millions of naturals that boast that muscularity at that super low bodyfat. Enough of 'I know this dude Leroy/Rakim' . let's see some pics (of true naturals, not more liars)  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 04, 2008, 08:35:13 AM
There is no point to even trying, typical getbig. Unless you are 120lbs, bench 135lbs, catch the bus to your flipping burger job and live in your moms basement people assume you are lying. Anyone could post up pics, and people will claim they are lying as well.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bobby on July 04, 2008, 08:36:03 AM
whoa....whoa....whoa.... ..let's not get ahead of ourselves here, the guy looks good but let's not hand the Olympia crown to him just yet.

 ;D

just saying... if this is what he can achieve thru jamaican food and blowing off steam. What could he do on a stack and proper bb diet...
If this truly is him natural...compare that to levrone or flex off the sauce...

(http://i29.tinypic.com/16k5ezl.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=215837.0;attach=253039;image)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 08:39:38 AM
. I saw guys at 15-16 years old that were as big as him, as ripped and could bench 225 for 15 reps, and this is at age 16.

Sure you did ::) ::) and of course, they were natural as well. Any pics of these 16 year old naturals? I will assume that no pics will be forthcoming ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 04, 2008, 08:51:04 AM
Sure you did ::) ::) and of course, they were natural as well. Any pics of these 16 year old naturals? I will assume that no pics will be forthcoming ::)

Sure dude, let me go get in my time machine, go back 14 years, ask these guys if they have shirtless pics I can put up on Getbig to satisfy some random dude who doesn't believe anyone in the entire world can weigh close to 200 pounds below 10% bodyfat naturally. You wanna see pics, go down to the local YMCA and watch those young black guys. Some people are just born with it, some internet losers are not


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Earl1972 on July 04, 2008, 09:02:10 AM
i don't know nor care if meso is natural or not

but it is funny how everybody in this thread knows numerous black people that look just as good if not better ::)

E


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 04, 2008, 09:04:22 AM
What's funny is all you clowns that say you know someone who knows someone who has a physique like that naturally or see guys at the YMCA.......yadda yadda............yet NONE OF YOU have a physique like that?  or if you do post up some damn pics  And yet you claim it's so easy to achieve naturally!  If it's so easy there would be a hundred guys on here with meso's physique.  Where are they?  Atleast sevastase posts his pics.  I don't need to post mine cause my physique right now isn't anything special.  However, I'm 6'5 not some 5'9 midget genetic freak.  

Meso is full of shit like most "natural" bodybuilders.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 09:05:48 AM
i don't know nor care if meso is natural or not

but it is funny how everybody in this thread knows numerous black people that look just as good if not better ::)

E

you mean you don't?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Earl1972 on July 04, 2008, 09:15:01 AM
you mean you don't?

no

E


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 09:18:12 AM
These dudes must be lying about their weight.

Maybe Meso is probably 160-180?

Meso claims he is what, over 200 pounds

The other dude claims he competes at 190 pounds?

The dude claiming 190 pounds looks bigger than Meso.

I say they are both liars. If Meso claims he is over 200 pounds at 5'8" or 5'9" while the other dude claims 190 pounds and looks bigger something is wrong.

Both are fucking lairs and act like they are genetically superior because they are black. Oh brother!!

A person 6 feet and under (natural) at less than 8% bodyfat should weight less than 180 pounds if they are truly naturals

A person 5'9" should weight between 160-170 (natural) at under 8% bodyfat  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 04, 2008, 09:23:55 AM
These dudes must be lying about their weight.

Maybe Meso is probably 160-180?

Meso claims he is what, over 200 pounds

The other dude claims he competes at 190 pounds?

The dude claiming 190 pounds looks bigger than Meso.

I say they are both liars. If Meso claims he is over 200 pounds at 5'8" or 5'9" while the other dude claims 190 pounds and looks bigger something is wrong.

Both are fucking lairs and act like they are genetically superior because they are black. Oh brother!!

A person 6 feet and under (natural) at less than 8% bodyfat should weight less than 180 pounds if they are truly naturals

A person 5'9" should weight between 160-170 (natural) at under 8% bodyfat  

Hahaha, brutal inferior genetic meltdown. Let's see your picture big guy.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 09:25:48 AM
Hahaha, brutal inferior genetic meltdown. Let's see your picture big guy.

Lets see your picture!!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 09:53:39 AM
i don't know nor care if meso is natural or not

but it is funny how everybody in this thread knows numerous black people that look just as good if not better ::)

E

E,

Are you really expacting folks to run around taking pictures of randon blacks to post here on getBig?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
E,

Are you really expacting folks to run around taking pictures of randon blacks to post here on getBig?

your talking to earl  :D what do you expect?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
sevaste... you are... really a peice of work....
good build but bad character... low....
ive seen guys here bigger than me and not once have i accused anyone of taking drugs....
...
to sweett muscle like i said i have nothing to gain.... or to lie
every claim i have made i have backed up with clips and pics....
.. unfortunately i dont havea complete video tape of my entire life so u guys can sot and watch from birth till now to see if ive ever taken drugs..
it is what it is though i am 1000% natural.. and i will remain so .. until they put me in a casket...
until then ill keep training.. hard and heavy... i suggest you do the same
if you find my physique offensive dueto the fact that i am natural.. that something that your gonna have to deal with ... not me
to all the people that gave me shoutouts
thx i appreciate ecvery single one
mes 8)



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
sevaste... you are... really a peice of work....
good build but bad character... low....
ive seen guys here bigger than me and not once have i accused anyone of taking drugs....
...
to sweett muscle like i said i have nothing to gain.... or to lie
every claim i have made i have backed up with clips and pics....
.. unfortunately i dont havea complete video tape of my entire life so u guys can sot and watch from birth till now to see if ive ever taken drugs..
it is what it is though i am 1000% natural.. and i will remain so .. until they put me in a casket...
until then ill keep training.. hard and heavy... i suggest you do the same
if you find my physique offensive dueto the fact that i am natural.. that something that your gonna have to deal with ... not me
to all the people that gave me shoutouts
thx i appreciate ecvery single one
mes 8)



I dont believe you are over 200 pounds at 5'9" or 5'10" and under 8% bodyfat (natural)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 10:33:28 AM
You wanna see pics, go down to the local YMCA and watch those young black guys.

I seen and trained with loads of black dudes. I don't need to go down to the YMCA and schmoe to know that you're full of shit when you say bullshit like you knew 15 year old black kids at school who were as big, or bigger, and just as ripped and strong.

No one is buying it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
im 5'11 i fluctuate between 200 -  205
and yes i am very natural...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 04, 2008, 10:37:05 AM
im 5'11 i fluctuate between 200 -  205
and yes i am very natural...

Youve probably taken stuff in the past or pro-hormones


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 10:41:36 AM
my friend with all due respect.. i dont even know what those are


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 10:42:53 AM
Mesohorney,

Next they'll be saying your protein comes straight from the tap, LOL!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 10:44:25 AM
my friend with all due respect.. i dont even know what those are

Never even heard of pro-hormones. Eats a junk diet yet destroys the pre-steroid era guys who were the genetic cream of the crop and ate lots of steak, eggs and healthy carbs. Wow, you truly are a genetic marvel. Pretty exciting to have the world's greatest natural on the board!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 10:48:52 AM
Never even heard of pro-hormones. Eats a junk diet yet destroys the pre-steroid era guys who were the genetic cream of the crop and ate lots of steak, eggs and healthy carbs. Wow, you truly are a genetic marvel. Pretty exciting to have the world's greatest natural on the board!!

yeah you keep saying that, as that would invalidate his natural status. when in reality his level of development is achievable for some people (completely natural).

eating junk is irrelevant. its a non factor. anyone can grow on 'junk food' as long as your eating a caloric surplus and enough protein. and training with progressively heavier weights.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 10:53:01 AM
i dont measure myself on others...
for eg lets say arnolds bench was 420 ..
i bench 405 for a single do u think for one minute the fact that arnolds max bench was that i wont pass it because its arnolds and im not supposed to pass it?
.... because of what someone wrote in a book or what someone said.. think again....
i am my own person..... i dont care who eats steak or whatever...... i only care about what i eat.... so you tellin what what so called elites eats yada yada means zero to me..
i am a very unplugged guy... i just do what i do i dont worry about others...
maybe you should try that... you may surprise yourself as to what level you could reach
... i eat junk but the magority of my food is caribbean jamaican food as i am jamaican


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
yeah you keep saying that, as that would invalidate his natural status. when in reality his level of development is achievable for some people (completely natural).


Like who? Name some names and post some pics bro. I posted some pics of the guys of the pre-steroid era. I can post more. I can post some black dudes too from back then who didn't have the condition/muscularity combo. You keep saying it's completely achievable naturally and you seen 15 year old kids with better development. Let's see some pics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Kwon on July 04, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
I do believe meso trains more than Kevrone does these days, so it's wrong to compare the two.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 10:58:50 AM
Like who? Name some names and post some pics bro. I posted some pics of the guys of the pre-steroid era. I can post more. I can post some black dudes too from back then who didn't have the condition/muscularity combo. You keep saying it's completely achievable naturally and you seen 15 year old kids with better development. Let's see some pics.

meso already posted his pics. and in some of the pics you posted id say some of them have comparable physiques to meso. and like i said before, alot more people train today than compared to then. and you hardly have pics of every steroid free bodybuilder from that period of time. your argumentation is flawed.

and that doesnt change the fact i believe meso is natural and i know that his level of development is achievable for some people.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 10:59:14 AM
A while back one of the more respected GetBiggers said something to the effect that; people start using way before reaching their natural limits. Basically he said that's why all guys look like crap after stopping because they don't have any muscle maturity or a good foundation. At any rate, everyone got all pissed because very few people are actually willing to put in the time, energy and patience it takes to get real/lasting results.

Funny because people always talk crap about the fatasses who want to lose weight by taking pills alone but won't diet or exercise one bit. :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 04, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
There seems to be a "Herd" mentality that says this guy looks too good to be natural and a guy can't be 5'9" cut and weigh more than 170. It's a very limiting viewpoint. There are people out there with the genetic capability to exceed those dimensions. I hear the same crap on the Forex currency trading boards. Just because 98% of the people on there fail miserably in their trading, they will tell you it's impossible to make any money using short term scalping techniques..Even when I post my account showing I've been profitable for over a year every week, sometimes being in trades for only 20 seconds, they still don't believe. I don't waste my time on those boards anymore. They all do and believe the same things and they all get the same results. I'm not going to say this Mesomorph guy is natural since I don't know it for a fact, but I certainly believe if he has awesome genetics and trains heavy, it is possible.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 11:06:04 AM
A while back one of the more respected GetBiggers said something to the effect that; people start using way before reaching their natural limits. Basically he said that's why all guys look like crap after stopping because they don't have any muscle maturity or a good foundation. At any rate, everyone got all pissed because very few people are actually willing to put in the time, energy and patience it takes to get real/lasting results.

Funny because people always talk crap about the fatasses who want to lose weight by taking pills alone but won't diet or exercise one bit. :)

exactly very few people are willing to train consistently and hard enough to ever realize their natural capabilities.

so they make up excuses and lower their expectations to feel better about themselves. (ignorance ,jealousy and laziness)

and then you add the drugged up physiques of some monsters.

of course that will confuse people.

and dont forget that 'genetics' plays a huge part in what kind of size and physique you will attain. (altho the word genetics is often misused)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 11:07:48 AM
There seems to be a "Herd" mentality that says this guy looks too good to be natural and a guy can't be 5'9" cut and weigh more than 170. It's a very limiting viewpoint. There are people out there with the genetic capability to exceed those dimensions. I hear the same crap on the Forex currency trading boards. Just because 98% of the people on there fail miserably in their trading, they will tell you it's impossible to make any money using short term scalping techniques..Even when I post my account showing I've been profitable for over a year every week, sometimes being in trades for only 20 seconds, they still don't believe. I don't waste my time on those boards anymore. They all do and believe the same things and they all get the same results. I'm not going to say this Mesomorph guy is natural since I don't know it for a fact, but I certainly believe if he has awesome genetics and trains heavy, it is possible.

amen.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 11:10:44 AM
meso already posted his pics. and in some of the pics you posted id say some of them have comparable physiques to meso. and like i said before, alot more people train today than compared to then. and you hardly have pics of every steroid free bodybuilder from that period of time. your argumentation is flawed.

and that doesnt change the fact i believe meso is natural and i know that his level of development is achievable for some people.

 I believe you believe he is natural. No doubt about it. You don't 'know' that his level development is achievable - naturally - for some people. That is a leap of faith. You have failed to name any names or produce pictures of confirmed naturals with such amazing conditioning and muscularity.

 I have pictures of ALL the best pre-steroid era bodybuilders. Hence why I posted pics of the Mr America and Mr Universe of the time.

 This guy turns up with a physique better than the best naturals of the pre-steroid era and claims to eat just junk and not even know what a pro-hormone is.

A guy with a physique like that, who trains all the time,benches 400 lbs, reads the forums, claims to have NOT EVEN HEARD OF PRO-HORMONES? Like people in the gym would never ask him about if he at least uses/used them. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 04, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
who is to say that meso does not have better genetics than grimek, ross etc.

he just never stood on stage or trained for it.

E.g There could be a guy who had he trained for it run 100m in 9.7secs but instead is working in an office. The greatest potential naturals ever are not necessariuly the ones we have sene in magazines...they are just the greatest we know.

Meso genetics are 1 in a million. What is even rarer he took advantage of this and trained. That is what mnakes him so incredible and 1 in 200million say for size shape etc.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 11:26:48 AM
I believe you believe he is natural. No doubt about it. You don't 'know' that his level development is achievable - naturally - for some people. That is a leap of faith. You have failed to name any names or produce pictures of confirmed naturals with such amazing conditioning and muscularity.

 I have pictures of ALL the best pre-steroid era bodybuilders. Hence why I posted pics of the Mr America and Mr Universe of the time.

 This guy turns up with a physique better than the best naturals of the pre-steroid era and claims to eat just junk and not even know what a pro-hormone is.

A guy with a physique like that, who trains all the time,benches 400 lbs, reads the forums, claims to have NOT EVEN HEARD OF PRO-HORMONES? Like people in the gym would never ask him about if he at least uses/used them. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee ::) ::) ::) ::)

if it makes you feel better, smell the coffee all day long.

but several of us know that its achievable. certainly not by everyone. but for some.

and with your attitude; dont worry you will never come close.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
who is to say that meso does not have better genetics than grimek, ross etc.



I haven't ruled that out. Fact is that he would HAVE TO to explain why he eats a shit diet and looks so much better. This guy pretty much defies human physiology by getting down to such condition without cannibalizing way more muscle mass.

 I can't believe you're all buying this bullshit that he doesn't know what pro-hormones are. That should be sounding alarms to at least a few with a bit of a brain. You don't train in gyms like he does, bench 400lbs , read all the forums and follow body building, field questions from people asking if you've used. having never EVEN HEARD OF PRO-HORMONES. If you people are really buying it that he hasn't heard of pro-hormones then I got some great quicksand to sell you to build a house on hahahahahhahahahahahahaa hahahha


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 04, 2008, 11:31:18 AM
meso is leaner than the likes of theose u mentioned. if they were marginally leaner, they would look bigger.
meso muscle shape and insertion is striking.
meso posts using digital photos, not grainy black and white ones.
even as recently as the 50's people did not have teh training knowledge, equitment or availability they do now.

I have heard pro hormones...btw that seems to me an american term. noone i ever knew over here has ever used that word. also you cant buy thiungs like that over here in the uk. usa is much less strict.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 11:36:55 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHHA Right, you can't find pro-hormones in the UK? So I go to google and enter prohormones uk and the first hit is this:

http://www.lycoseshop.co.uk/epages/luk.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/gymking.eu/Categories/PRO&gclid=CP6y4tX8ppQCFQuJ1QodKymbtw

And the pre-steroid dudes actually did exactly what people now recommend people do the most: they ate a lot of healthy real food - steak, eggs, green veggies and healthy carbs - and focused on a lot of compound moves with lots of time off for recuperation.
 You're completely wrong about the ironagers and just show how little you know. They knew the best ways for naturals to eat and train.

The problem is that you people have forgotten -or never even knew to begin with - what a true, lifetime natural physique actually looks like.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 11:41:45 AM

The problem is that you people have forgotten -or never even knew to begin with - what a true, lifetime natural physique actually looks like.

I"d like to see what you've accomplished in your lifetime as a natural Dave.  Someone with an open mind would be able to believe he is natural. You sound bitter because your attempt to own somewhat of a presentable physique has failed miserably.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Earl1972 on July 04, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
E,

Are you really expacting folks to run around taking pictures of randon blacks to post here on getBig?

no

all i'm saying is people that claim they see black guys just as good as meso on a regular basis are full of shit

E


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 04, 2008, 11:44:59 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHHA Right, you can't find pro-hormones in the UK? So I go to google and enter prohormones uk and the first hit is this:

http://www.lycoseshop.co.uk/epages/luk.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/gymking.eu/Categories/PRO&gclid=CP6y4tX8ppQCFQuJ1QodKymbtw

And the pre-steroid dudes actually did exactly what people now recommend people do the most: they ate a lot of healthy real food - steak, eggs, green veggies and healthy carbs - and focused on a lot of compound moves with lots of time off for recuperation.
 You're completely wrong about the ironagers and just show how little you know. They knew the best ways for naturals to eat and train.

The problem is that you people have forgotten -or never even knew to begin with - what a true, lifetime natural physique actually looks like.

i never ever have heard the words pro-hormoes other than on getbig or usa bbuilding websites.

also no supp shop i have ever been in has ever had ne of those products. tbh i have never even seen any of them.

maybe you can just buy them online.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 11:47:25 AM
I haven't ruled that out. Fact is that he would HAVE TO to explain why he eats a shit diet and looks so much better. This guy pretty much defies human physiology by getting down to such condition without cannibalizing way more muscle mass.

 I can't believe you're all buying this bullshit that he doesn't know what pro-hormones are. That should be sounding alarms to at least a few with a bit of a brain. You don't train in gyms like he does, bench 400lbs , read all the forums and follow body building, field questions from people asking if you've used. having never EVEN HEARD OF PRO-HORMONES. If you people are really buying it that he hasn't heard of pro-hormones then I got some great quicksand to sell you to build a house on hahahahahhahahahahahahaa hahahha
i take in the necessary information.. and ignore the rest ... my gym is full of guys that take steroids yes....
Do i know what pro hormones are No... because ive never asked about any thing like that... i honestly dont know what they are.. obviously i know the human body produces hormones... but if u wre to hook me up to alie detecter machine and as me to name a pro hormone... or what it is... id pass ..same as if you wreto ask me if ive taken drugs or whatever...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 04, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
i take in the necessary information.. and ignore the rest ... my gym is full of guys that take steroids yes....
Do i know what pro hormones are No... because ive never asked about any thing like that... i honestly dont know what they are.. obviously i know the human body produces hormones... but if u wre to hook me up to alie detecter machine and as me to name a pro hormone... or what it is... id pass ..same as if you wreto ask me if ive taken drugs or whatever...
why dont you compete naturally ... you would be world famous....   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 11:51:30 AM
I"d like to see what you've accomplished in your lifetime as a natural Dave.  Someone with an open mind would be able to believe he is natural. You sound bitter because your attempt to own somewhat of a presentable physique has failed miserably.

HAHAHA My name ain't 'Dave' but that's not relevant anyway. You're just responding with ad hominem arguments when I am presenting a rational argument based totally on science and human physiology. There are certain things and limits that apply to the human body in a natural state. It's nothing to do with jealousy or bitterness, it's to do with the fact that I know what a physique is capable of naturally and what it is capable of on steroids.

I wouldn't have believed him even if claimed to eat a chicken breast and rice every 3 hours but when he shows up here claiming to just eat junk and have a better physique than the cream of the crop from the pre-steroid days,   ahahhhaah it's clear bullshit. Then he starts protesting too hard and pretending he's never heard of pro-hormones. Like a guy who looks like that and benches 400 lbs , reads all the forums , wouldn't even know what they are. I guarantee you that this dude has been asked over 20 times in his life if he uses AAS or pro-hormones.  HAHAHAHAHAHA some gullible fuckers on here ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 04, 2008, 11:52:53 AM
why dont you compete naturally ... you would be world famous....   

most people have no interest in competing


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
HAHAHA My name ain't 'Dave' but that's not relevant anyway. You're just responding with ad hominem arguments when I am presenting a rational argument based totally on science and human physiology. There are certain things and limits that apply to the human body in a natural state. It's nothing to do with jealousy or bitterness, it's to do with the fact that I know what a physique is capable of naturally and what it is capable of on steroids.

I wouldn't have believed him even if claimed to eat a chicken breast and rice every 3 hours but when he shows up here claiming to just eat junk and have a better physique than the cream of the crop from the pre-steroid days,   ahahhhaah it's clear bullshit. Then he starts protesting too hard and pretending he's never heard of pro-hormones. Like a guy who looks like that and benches 400 lbs , reads all the forums , wouldn't even know what they are. I guarantee you that this dude has been asked over 20 times in his life if he uses AAS or pro-hormones.  HAHAHAHAHAHA some gullible fuckers on here ;D ;D ;D


For the record Mr. Science.. how do you know what is achievable naturally?  Is it because you've looked at stock photos from 50 years ago of pale white guys in bad lighting?




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 04, 2008, 12:19:00 PM
this thread is the proof if we needed it that 99% of getbiggers are losers who never achieved anything training with weights and have abslutely again i repeat, no experience , consitency , dedication or knowledge to achieve anything wether it's naturally or on steroids.



meso, don't fucking waste your time answering, you're talking to people who have no idea what it takes to get where you and some of us are, and will for sure never know for the most of em.



I'd like to congratulate spermastase for making so obviously a fool of himself hating on someone for abolutely no reason but pure frustration, insecurity and self hartred.


What is really pathetic is to not being able of being content with who YOU are. And this is what lead losers to jealousy toward other peoples.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 04, 2008, 12:19:46 PM
this thread is the proof if we needed it that 99% of getbiggers are losers who never achieved anything training with weights and have abslutely again i repeat, no experience , consitency , dedication or knowledge to achieve anything wether it's naturally or on steroids.


post a picture of what you have achieved, flagada


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 12:21:01 PM
this thread is the proof if we needed it that 99% of getbiggers are losers who never achieved anything training with weights and have abslutely again i repeat, no experience , consitency , dedication or knowledge to achieve anything wether it's naturally or on steroids.



meso, don't fucking waste your time answering, you're talking to people who have no idea what it takes to get where you and some of us are, and will for sure never know for the most of em.



I'd like to congratulate spermastase for making so obviously a fool of himself hating on someone for abolutely no reason but pure frustration, insecurity and self hartred.

I'm inclined to agree with you.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 12:22:10 PM
post a picture of what you have achieved, flagada

obviously you felt like he was talking to you.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 04, 2008, 12:22:40 PM
post a picture of what you have achieved, flagada

who in their right mind would  need to prove a fucking mindless insecure and immature nolife homosexual teen like you anything? seriously , just die already or at least stfu.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 04, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
who in their right mind would  need to prove a fucking mindless insecure and immature nolife homosexual teen like you anything? seriously , just die already or at least stfu.
5- adjective  insult meltdown !!!!!    ;D   boom!!   lol


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 04, 2008, 12:25:20 PM
why dont you compete naturally ... you would be world famous....   

because he is way smarter than you, and understood more things while being younger than you that you may not even understand at the end of your life.

"world famous"... man, what kind of retarded child are you, seriously. Who says things like "you could be world famous" ??? go to bed, you have no business talking with adults.


It's about having brains, not about having muscles, but you and your gay ass moronic friends need way more life experience before you open your mouth wether it's on an internet messageboard or in real life. Man you're going to get trhu some serious beatings for a long that's for sure.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: warrior_code on July 04, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
you seem like a cool guy mes.  Just do your thing bro. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 04, 2008, 12:26:51 PM
because he is way smarter than you, and understood more things while being younger than you that you may not even understand at the end of your life.


It's about having brains, not about having muscles, but you and your gay ass moronic friends need way more life experience before you open your mouth wether it's on an internet messageboard or in real life. Man you're going to get trhu some serious beatings for a long that's for sure.
he doesnt compete and become world famous because he is smart ?

why do you think smartness correlates with motivation to compete and attain fame ?

elaborate, oh great one


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 12:31:22 PM
he doesnt compete and become world famous because he is smart ?

why do you think smartness correlates with motivation to compete and attain fame ?

elaborate, oh great one

why dont you google it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 04, 2008, 12:38:20 PM
why dont you google it.
ooohhhh

how original

awesome "ownage"  ::)

" ARGH ! GRAB HEAVY THING, MOVE HEAVY THING ! "  ;D  ;D  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 12:39:47 PM

For the record Mr. Science.. how do you know what is achievable naturally?  Is it because you've looked at stock photos from 50 years ago of pale white guys in bad lighting?




HAHA That's actually a damn site more than you've done. They aren't all pale white guys, there's plenty of tanned black men for you to get excited over. I posted the Mr Americas and Mr Universes from the only time that we can absolutely certain people were truly natural. There are black dudes there as well. Would you like me to post some black men for you, would that make your day?

 You still won't see them have this dude's level of muscularity at such low bodyfat. Know why? because it's not possible without some 'assistance'. The body will fight tooth and nail to use up muscle before reaching 4-6% bodyfat. Know why? because over thousands of years of evolution the body has seen it as a sign of impending starvation and, very often, death. It will take nearly all your muscle before going down there. That's why true naturals are either big and muscular, with no real abs and higher bodyfat. Or cut but absolutely tiny.

 Of course, that's too scientific for you. You probably think it's all Muscletech
 HAHHAHAHA ;D

hang on, he only eats junk and shit doesn't he ::)



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 12:57:54 PM
HAHA That's actually a damn site more than you've done. They aren't all pale white guys, there's plenty of tanned black men for you to get excited over. I posted the Mr Americas and Mr Universes from the only time that we can absolutely certain people were truly natural. There are black dudes there as well. Would you like me to post some black men for you, would that make your day?

 You still won't see them have this dude's level of muscularity at such low bodyfat. Know why? because it's not possible without some 'assistance'. The body will fight tooth and nail to use up muscle before reaching 4-6% bodyfat. Know why? because over thousands of years of evolution the body has seen it as a sign of impending starvation and, very often, death. It will take nearly all your muscle before going down there. That's why true naturals are either big and muscular, with no real abs and higher bodyfat. Or cut but absolutely tiny.

 Of course, that's too scientific for you. You probably think it's all Muscletech
 HAHHAHAHA ;D

hang on, he only eats junk and shit doesn't he ::)




Ofcourse you've done a "shit" more research than I have.  My whole involvment in this thread was to just give you a hard time but
a muscletech joke? that's almost as original as a meltdown pic wouldn't you agree? your looking at pics from th 1950's where the emphasis wasn't even on how cut and dry you could get.  It was all about size for the most part.  The reason for me making the statement about pale white guys was because of the fact that you can't see the seperations as much with a lighter skin tone.. I was unaware of your lack of knowledge in such an area.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 04, 2008, 01:01:08 PM
ooohhhh

how original

awesome "ownage"  ::)

" ARGH ! GRAB HEAVY THING, MOVE HEAVY THING ! "  ;D  ;D  ;D

'ownage' ? i didnt say anything about that..you did. guess what that means?

'argh! grab light thing 'inject big needle'


oops i forgot  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 01:13:00 PM

  My whole involvment in this thread was to just give you a hard time



 Didn't work. Your 'arguments' were pathetic, poorly constructed ad hominems and your picture was an epic backfire ;D

 As I mentioned, there are plenty of black pre-steroid era bodybuilders. I can post their pictures and you will see that they don't have this kind of conditioning and muscularity combination. Seeing as by your own admission you're just here to goof around, I won't bother posting them. I am here to talk seriously, appealing to science and backing up my stance with a cohesive, rational argument. I'm not here to indulge moronic losers who can only respond with juvenile insults.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 01:27:33 PM
Didn't work. Your 'arguments' were pathetic, poorly constructed ad hominems and your picture was an epic backfire ;D

 As I mentioned, there are plenty of black pre-steroid era bodybuilders. I can post their pictures and you will see that they don't have this kind of conditioning and muscularity combination. Seeing as by your own admission you're just here to goof around, I won't bother posting them. I am here to talk seriously, appealing to science and backing up my stance with a cohesive, rational argument. I'm not here to indulge moronic losers who can only respond with juvenile insults.

so you're giving up? just like you gave up on building a decent natural physique? that's what I thought.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 04, 2008, 01:32:23 PM
so you're giving up? just like you gave up on building a decent natural physique? that's what I thought.


 Make a decent point and I'll respond. So far your responses are so limited and devoid of intelligence that there is little for me to work with. Posting your picture and hoping to get called out as a steroid abuser is pretty fuckin desperate, I can tell you ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 04, 2008, 01:39:18 PM

 Make a decent point and I'll respond. So far your responses are so limited and devoid of intelligence that there is little for me to work with. Posting your picture and hoping to get called out as a steroid abuser is pretty fuckin desperate, I can tell you ;D ;D ;D

Desperate is looking for excuses on why your own physique looks nothing like meso's or mine for that matter.  Please give us a chuckle and show us what a real natural like yourself looks like SM.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: evandatp on July 04, 2008, 02:05:03 PM
Meso is obviously juicing.

No natural black man could frighten the tiny tits' white women that much.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: TrueGrit on July 04, 2008, 02:14:44 PM


And the pre-steroid dudes actually did exactly what people now recommend people do the most: they ate a lot of healthy real food - steak, eggs, green veggies and healthy carbs - and focused on a lot of compound moves with lots of time off for recuperation.
 You're completely wrong about the ironagers and just show how little you know. They knew the best ways for naturals to eat and train.

The problem is that you people have forgotten -or never even knew to begin with - what a true, lifetime natural physique actually looks like.

 I would agree with this. I am not saying that he juiced/juices..but I would agree that people are unrealistic about what a truly natural physique looks like. AAS and those who lie about using have given us a warped sense of reality. I once read a great article on this on TNation , but can't find it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 04, 2008, 05:20:05 PM
why dont you compete naturally ... you would be world famous....   
because im not a bber..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 04, 2008, 06:17:56 PM
Meso is obviously juicing.

No natural black man could frighten the tiny tits' white women that much.

Is all this hate a sign of tinytittedness?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 04, 2008, 06:45:38 PM
that mofo is a druggy godmammit you and anybody is a big sumbitch if you said thatmofo aint staraite   i dare anybody that aint nateral  fuck you and you momma


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 12:16:03 PM
that mofo is a druggy godmammit you and anybody is a big sumbitch if you said thatmofo aint staraite   i dare anybody that aint nateral  fuck you and you momma

Prove it.

I simply believe he is natural because he's black. I've seen dudes like him before with my own eyes and I knew them to be naturals.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Man of Steel on July 05, 2008, 12:20:04 PM
Of course he's natural....he's a black guy.   Most black males are born with 8-packs and 12" arms.   If was juicing he'd be 50-60lbs bigger.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Zaphod on July 05, 2008, 12:23:15 PM
Prove it.

I simply believe he is natural because he's black. I've seen dudes like him before with my own eyes and I knew them to be naturals.

you sum kinda sumbitcth?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 12:30:23 PM
I would agree with this. I am not saying that he juiced/juices..but I would agree that people are unrealistic about what a truly natural physique looks like. AAS and those who lie about using have given us a warped sense of reality. I once read a great article on this on TNation , but can't find it.

I agree with you, but on the flip sense. Owning a gym, training many people, competing naturally and winning etc - I know what can be done naturally both from myself, but more working with people for a decade. Meso has sheer genetics, which is not uncommon for West Indian guys. Many will be in good shape before even hitting a gym, and make gains very easily.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
I agree with you, but on the flip sense. Owning a gym, training many people, competing naturally and winning etc - I know what can be done naturally both from myself, but more working with people for a decade. Meso has sheer genetics, which is not uncommon for West Indian guys. Many will be in good shape before even hitting a gym, and make gains very easily.

BAMBACLOT MAN

You're right. Jamaicans do have pretty good genetics. People who've been around west indians would know this. People who've been watching red stripe comercials and been thinking of jamaicans as scrawny potheads wouldn't


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 12:42:54 PM
BAMBACLOT MAN

You're right. Jamaicans do have pretty good genetics. People who've been around west indians would know this. People who've been watching red stripe comercials and been thinking of jamaicans as scrawny potheads wouldn't

Mi know dis mi yout, and nah wan passa passa a gwwan ;)

Like you said, people who don't really know think differently.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 05, 2008, 12:58:02 PM
Blacks were bred to be strong and dumb, plain and simple. Meso could very well be natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 05, 2008, 01:39:57 PM
Blacks were bred to be strong and dumb, plain and simple. Meso could very well be natural.
you goddamm right mutherfuckr like a box of rox that damn jigaboo head is like a fuckin watermellon


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: evandatp on July 05, 2008, 02:39:40 PM
Is all this hate a sign of tinytittedness?
Tinytittedness may contain some racism.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 02:54:10 PM
Tinytittedness may contain some racism.

These gays should really get off Mesohorny's dick.

A 20 page meltdown about a guy that didn't start the thread or ask for attention.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 02:57:02 PM
HAHAHAHAHHA Funny how everyone seems to have a pet black man who is way more ripped and muscular than this dude ;D ;D

We even had one guy sayin he knew a 15 year old with more muscle who repped 215 25 times HAHAHAHA Who are these mystery blacks? where you people hiding them at? I have seen plenty of blacks in the gym and serving fastfood, none of them are these natural monsters everyone seems to know.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 02:59:14 PM
is he?  ::)



the amount of times i've believed someone ws natty...for YEARS  n YEARS only 4 them to hear a great price i could get on sus or tren or deca yadayada and then jump all over me to get some is fucking amazing...

i'll give him the benefit of the doubt....but if he is natty then he's stupid ..if he looks like that natty..he could make a helluva lot of money just juicing and being one of the top pros...

o wait..his morals get in the way  ::)


another yonnie hamburger  :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 03:02:19 PM
These gays should really get off Mesohorny's dick.

A 20 page meltdown about a guy that didn't start the thread or ask for attention.

Yes, plus Meso is always cool to everyone, has responded nicely to all these things tossed at him but still we go on. Meso said it best, it's their issue not his. IMO he is the one walking round looking good at all times and seems very happy in life and this seems to be bothering everyone but him really lol.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 03:05:20 PM
the amount of times i've believed someone ws natty...for YEARS  n YEARS only 4 them to hear a great price i could get on sus or tren or deca yadayada and then jump all over me to get some is fucking amazing...

i'll give him the benefit of the doubt....but if he is natty then he's stupid ..if he looks like that natty..he could make a helluva lot of money just juicing and being one of the top pros...

o wait..his morals get in the way  ::)


another yonnie hamburger  :-\

Most pros don't make shit. And the world doesn't need more guys doing G4P, LOL!

Meso is in very good shape and has great genetics. There's not a reason in the world for someone like that to use anything, especially considering how far ahead he is compared to many that are using drugs. He can live a long, normal, healthy life without worrying about having liver function tests, getting 'vitamins' by mail, getting fondled by queers and so on.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 03:08:44 PM
Yes, plus Meso is always cool to everyone, has responded nicely to all these things tossed at him but still we go on. Meso said it best, it's their issue not his. IMO he is the one walking round looking good at all times and seems very happy in life and this seems to be bothering everyone but him really lol.

So what does him being nice in his responses have to do with him telling lies about using?
 The guy came on here saying he only eats junk and claims to have never heard of pro-hormones - yea right, like a guy who benches 400lbs , reads the forums and is into serious weighting hasn't even heard of them. Like no fucker in the gym has ever asked if he uses AAS or pro-hormones and he's said 'what are pro-hormones' until yesterday on getbig. Pull the other one pal  ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 03:15:13 PM
So what does him being nice in his responses have to do with him telling lies about using?
 The guy came on here saying he only eats junk and claims to have never heard of pro-hormones - yea right, like a guy who benches 400lbs , reads the forums and is into serious weighting hasn't even heard of them. Like no fucker in the gym has ever asked if he uses AAS or pro-hormones and he's said 'what are pro-hormones' until yesterday on getbig. Pull the other one pal  ::) ::)

Many of GetBig's "greats" claim to be natural. :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
Most pros don't make shit. And the world doesn't need more guys doing G4P, LOL!

Meso is in very good shape and has great genetics. There's not a reason in the world for someone like that to use anything, especially considering how far ahead he is compared to many that are using drugs. He can live a long, normal, healthy life without worrying about having liver function tests, getting 'vitamins' by mail, getting fondled by queers and so on.

i said TOP pro...


and i've heard thie same story from yonnie...yeah i'm natty...but i choose not to make a million $$ cause of my morals...

i've heard it from my a few close friends and i lauighed my ass off when i heard they juiced all along...i wont name names..

he might very well be natty...i'd like to see his legs..great legs n calves on a black dood of his complexion and i smell juice...in anycase i very well could be wrong...

if he looks like that without juice...then he's stupid not to...

ronnie coleman looked like that in 1989 without juice..so ya see my point  


and ya fucker..when ya coming this way man..my shoulder hurts  >:(  or recommend someone to me man....i dont trust just anyone with my spine...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dr.chimps on July 05, 2008, 03:18:15 PM
Yes, plus Meso is always cool to everyone, has responded nicely to all these things tossed at him but still we go on. Meso said it best, it's their issue not his. IMO he is the one walking round looking good at all times and seems very happy in life and this seems to be bothering everyone but him really lol.
Well said, CQ. Only problem is that there will be a similar thread in 6 months. So it goes. :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:21:21 PM
from now on even when i am on i'll be really nice to everyone and be polite and tell everyone that i'm natty and despite any real proof ...EVERYONE will believe me  ::)



i love stupid people!  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 03:25:02 PM
from now on even when i am on i'll be really nice to everyone and be polite and tell everyone that i'm natty and despite any real proof ...EVERYONE will believe me  ::)



i love stupid people!  ;D

You're from Maryland, dude

Don't tell me you haven't seen your share of black dudes with great genetics?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:27:54 PM
You're from Maryland, dude

Don't tell me you haven't seen your share of black dudes with great genetics?

o yeah i have....if no one juiced they WOULD BE BIGGER BUT

everyone of em juices...i know for a facking FACT!

lets get over the whole...the facking bullshit..other races have to juice to look like the black natty...

well yeah then lets take it a step further...they were also bred by whites to be stupid...shall we continue..i wont allow them to pick stereotypes at their fucking convenience... ;)

and i got black friends...i dont say jack shit on there i would not say to a black doods face...and my black friends know this


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 03:34:01 PM
from now on even when i am on i'll be really nice to everyone and be polite and tell everyone that i'm natty and despite any real proof ...EVERYONE will believe me  ::)



i love stupid people!  ;D

Depends on how you look and so on. Guys who don't seriously train and have a good diet on a daily basis aren't going to look good anyways and really aren't going to retain anything. I've seen plenty of guys with great shapes with no signs of using and pretty simple workouts.

I wouldn't use steroids but by virtue of being taller and less cut, no one would accuse me of using.

Meso just has above average genetics.

Remember guys... you can't polish a turd. All the juice in the world isn't going to make some people look good.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 03:34:15 PM
I believe him.. Yeah, call me a dumbass.

The only thing I have difficulty with is his immense strength. Dude incline presses 160 lb dumbells for like 4-5 clean reps.. That's a big feat for a juicer, and damn near impossible for a natural. I mean that would mean him being able to incline 365+ for reps.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dr.chimps on July 05, 2008, 03:37:42 PM
I believe him.. Yeah, call me a dumbass.

The only thing I have difficulty with is his immense strength. Dude incline presses 160 lb dumbells for like 4-5 clean reps.. That's a big feat for a juicer, and damn near impossible for a natural. I mean that would mean him being able to incline 365+ for reps.
Well, he's got some good tris, alright, and while benching strongly is key here, he says he is also a very strong dipper #'s-wise. Not many dudes dip in my gym, but they all have notable tris.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:37:59 PM
I believe him.. Yeah, call me a dumbass.

The only thing I have difficulty with is his immense strength. Dude incline presses 160 lb dumbells for like 4-5 clean reps.. That's a big feat for a juicer, and damn near impossible for a natural. I mean that would mean him being able to incline 365+ for reps.

i've been in this game since i ws 15..31 now...been around juicers since i ws 17..

give it 10 yrs...you'll be able to step into a gym see someone walk a certain way or look at someones facial expression when they pose and smell juice a mile away...

and i'm not saying you r stupid..if he is natty....and that big..he's stupid for not juicing...

he could be a top pro then....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:39:48 PM
Depends on how you look and so on. Guys who don't seriously train and have a good diet on a daily basis aren't going to look good anyways and really aren't going to retain anything. I've seen plenty of guys with great shapes with no signs of using and pretty simple workouts.

I wouldn't use steroids but by virtue of being taller and less cut, no one would accuse me of using.

Meso just has above average genetics.

Remember guys... you can't polish a turd. All the juice in the world isn't going to make some people look good.

i didn't call YOU stupid ya cunny.  >:(  for fucks sake you r gonna be a surgeon..

n o..i'll call ya tomorrow with teh news..

and will ya recommend someone to me ? >:(  my upper body is growing and i cant squat..i look funny  >:(

above avg genes dont make u a non juicer  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 03:41:32 PM
i've been in this game since i ws 15..31 now...been around juicers since i ws 17..

give it 10 yrs...you'll be able to step into a gym see someone walk a certain way or look at someones facial expression when they pose and smell juice a mile away...

and i'm not saying you r stupid..if he is natty....and that big..he's stupid for not juicing...

he could be a top pro then....

I've been around juicers as well. Seen dudes after a few month much smaller and weaker.

A lot of black men have decent size and cuts(though nothing like meso) and don't juice. They don't have the money and resources and most of them work.. Lots of them ripped at 185-190 at 5'8"-6'0", which is Meso's range.

Meso = if juicing should be a lot bigger, probably 230 and not 190


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 03:43:40 PM
I've been around juicers as well. Seen dudes after a few month much smaller and weaker.

A lot of black men have decent size and cuts(though nothing like meso) and don't juice. They don't have the money and resources and most of them work.. Lots of them ripped at 185-190 at 5'8"-6'0", which is Meso's range.

Meso = if juicing should be a lot bigger, probably 230 and not 190

dammit thats what i'm saying...if he isn't.he's stupid not to...  >:(

quit stressing me out....

now i gotta go poop  >:(


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 03:48:25 PM
So what does him being nice in his responses have to do with him telling lies about using?
 The guy came on here saying he only eats junk and claims to have never heard of pro-hormones - yea right, like a guy who benches 400lbs , reads the forums and is into serious weighting hasn't even heard of them. Like no fucker in the gym has ever asked if he uses AAS or pro-hormones and he's said 'what are pro-hormones' until yesterday on getbig. Pull the other one pal  ::) ::)

I rarely bother debating any technical aspects as it is useless here plus it bores me tbh but I do own a gym, have the papers, won shows and all that crap, been in this "game" since I was 17. I did not exactly fall off the turnip truck on this "industry" and am not a total clueless moron. Not saying I am an expert and the technical aspects are not my point anyway.

My point is the obsession, don't know why anyone gets so up in arms about the guy? A single person posting 50 odd times in one thread alone about him? Not like he provokes it by spamming his pics or flaming people? Nor to be frank he is exactly Dennis Wolf here, lets be real. It's a compliment to him anyway that people feel the need to discuss him so much. He looks good, and good for him.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 03:50:59 PM
There are tons of people juicing that will never, ever.... ever be competitive. It makes no sense.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 05, 2008, 04:09:06 PM
HAHAHAHAHHA Funny how everyone seems to have a pet black man who is way more ripped and muscular than this dude ;D ;D

We even had one guy sayin he knew a 15 year old with more muscle who repped 215 25 times HAHAHAHA Who are these mystery blacks? where you people hiding them at? I have seen plenty of blacks in the gym and serving fastfood, none of them are these natural monsters everyone seems to know.

Back in the pre-steroid era everyone owned one.

But seriously, I agree with your statement here that not that many exist. Meso is gifted with an exceptional physique but in my mind it still within the "boundaries" of what is achievable naturally.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 05, 2008, 04:14:24 PM
I rarely bother debating any technical aspects as it is useless here plus it bores me tbh but I do own a gym, have the papers, won shows and all that crap, been in this "game" since I was 17. I did not exactly fall off the turnip truck on this "industry" and am not a total clueless moron. Not saying I am an expert and the technical aspects are not my point anyway.

My point is the obsession, don't know why anyone gets so up in arms about the guy? A single person posting 50 odd times in one thread alone about him? Not like he provokes it by spamming his pics or flaming people? Nor to be frank he is exactly Dennis Wolf here, lets be real. It's a compliment to him anyway that people feel the need to discuss him so much. He looks good, and good for him.

its because sweetmuscles is so frustrated about his own (lack of) progress. its eating away at him from inside. maybe he turned to teh juice and now realizes he should have trained as a natural for a longer period of time.

its the classical case of : ' i feel like shit so ill try to bring someone else down so i can feel better'.

deep down inside he knows meso is natural. or atleast that he could be.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: ToxicAvenger on July 05, 2008, 04:15:39 PM
There are tons of people juicing that will never, ever.... ever be competitive. It makes no sense.


there r a lot of women getting cut up to have breast implants, ass implants and lipo and more of em die every yr than juicers...

also makes no sence...

i juice..and i never prolly will compete...

each his own i say


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 05, 2008, 04:16:33 PM
HAHAHAHAHHA Funny how everyone seems to have a pet black man who is way more ripped and muscular than this dude ;D ;D

We even had one guy sayin he knew a 15 year old with more muscle who repped 215 25 times HAHAHAHA Who are these mystery blacks? where you people hiding them at? I have seen plenty of blacks in the gym and serving fastfood, none of them are these natural monsters everyone seems to know.

Exactly which # gimmick is this Frenchie? Anyway, I was in the gym today and their were 5 young black guys working out doing squats prepping for next seasons football. They all did box squats to parallel or just above. The strongest kid did a good set of 345 for 2 hard reps. Now thats not any world record, but that is damn good for a 16 year old kid. I'm sure he was juiced to the gills though, you know, because anyone that squats close to 400 or benches over 300 juices ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 04:44:49 PM
mmm thx for the shout out cq...

sweet muscles .. im really curious.. who made you authority on what is possible mnatural and whats not?
so because i bench 405 i'm not natural...
or becaue i might have cuts ..
as ive said before like it or not im natural...  and will always be natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 04:48:12 PM
mmm thx for the shout out cq...

sweet muscles .. im really curious.. who made you authority on what is possible mnatural and whats not?
so because i bench 405 i'm not natural...
or becaue i might have cuts ..
as ive said before like it or not im natural...  and will always be natural


Have Ron change your nick to mesohorny!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 05, 2008, 04:59:00 PM
Meso = the man  8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 05:01:46 PM
Meso = the man  8)

Meso = Meltdown causer extraordinaire.

And to think trolls dedicate post after post elicting meltdowns, all Meso needs is a pic 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 05, 2008, 05:13:05 PM
This needs to stop.

Last thing we need is another Hulkster truce thread, LOL!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dr.chimps on July 05, 2008, 05:16:48 PM
This needs to stop.

Last thing we need is another Hulkster truce thread, LOL!
What!? Just another example of The Man trying to keep the Black Man down.   >:(      ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:19:04 PM
Meso = Meltdown causer extraordinaire.


It's not a meltdown. It's people who understand about human physiology calling out clear bullshit.  I understand that a great many people here are deeply unintelligent, uneducated - look at 'Slaveboy' for example, totally incapable of producing a rational argument and can only resort to limited ad hominems - and delusional, but some of us know what millions of years of evolution means in terms of getting down to extremely low bodyfat and having a certain type of muscularity without the use of drugs. We know what is possible and what isn't.

 The guy is a clear liar. When he turned up here saying he only eats junk food and has never heard of pro-hormones, I laughed out loud..at him and the idiots who believe him.

I bet if you were white and didn't 'run a gym' looking at juicers all day long, you wouldn't be swinging from his nuts . Nuts that I guarantee are getting a little help producing extra 'test' ;D

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:20:44 PM
yall are just haterz

first mike locketee was using drugs  ::)

now meso ??  ::) ::) ::)

ppsssshhh

epic lack of faith in the human body...  ::)  ::)  ::)





 ;D   ;D   ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:21:31 PM
what next ... "arnold used dbol " ???


PPSSSSHHHHHHH    ::)


 :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:22:45 PM
this is a NATURAL FREAK, people !!!

why wouldnt you believe meso is natural????      ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:24:01 PM
"100% all natural, hard work !!"

^^^^quote straigth from gustavo's mouth

look at gus !!


PPSSSHHHH

and meso has got to be on drugs...    ::)

gustavo is 100% natural ! ..and look at him!!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:25:47 PM
this is a NATURAL FREAK, people !!!

why wouldnt you believe meso is natural????      ::)

HAHAHAHHAHAHA Anyone who believes Ronnie Coleman took steroids after he denied it on tv is a jealous hater who is bitter about their own body HAHAHAHAH ;D ;D ;D

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:27:49 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHA Anyone who believes Ronnie Coleman took steroids after he denied it on tv is a jealous hater who is bitter about their own body HAHAHAHAH ;D ;D ;D

 
ronnie coleman is A MAN OF GOD

and look at his physique

you really think a MAN OF GOD is gonna be using STEROIDS???  he was a cop too!!!
now, if RONNIE is A MAN OF GOD, and he looks like this???

and meso has got to be on steroids?? PSSSHHHHH.... " HATERZZZ !@!!"


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Simple Carbs on July 05, 2008, 05:28:53 PM
Sweetmuscles= Alex23.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 05, 2008, 05:29:06 PM
ARTHUR HARRIS, 100% NATURAL !!!!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: markdavis on July 05, 2008, 05:29:14 PM
lissenup muthrfrkrs mesmoprh aint no fuckin natral its very easy to see that shit im natral and i got cuts but this mofo got cuts and is thick as a mofo you gotto be on them stroids to get that kind of body ive grown up with some blackies all thru school playing the sports in the weightroom and lissenup sume of these sumbitchess are stronger then shit and look goddamm good but fuvkit not like this mesmrorph muthrfukr  i say this     sumbitch is definatly on the shit hardcore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 take that shit to the bank
i aint drinkin no more tonite i got a big day time in the weightroom tommorow


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 05:31:12 PM
... are you for real.. sweet muscles
you dont even know me yet your gonna sit half way across the ocean and call me a liar...
if your gonna deem youself my enemy at least check my track record...
any thing i say   or claim in this case lifts i always have backed it up.. 
because i like lifting and i like to share my love of lifting with others..
what have you shared....
tell you what you keep reading your human physiology books..
and ill keep lifting ..
you also come across as a somewhat intelligent guy..
are you gonna dedicate another 10 pages to calling me a liar... and accusing me of taking drugs...?
without 1 shred of evidence to support your allegation.. other than the fact that i have what some might say is a good physique..
thats the crime.... thats what ive done wrong work out hard and consistently
you make me laugh

 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:33:09 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA More self-proclaimed naturals showing what a junk food diet and having not even heard of pro-hormones (despite benching 400lbs and reading bodybuilding forums) can do for you.
If you say they juiced you are a bitter hater who is angry that your physique can't defy scientific LAWS about what a natural is capable of

HAHAHAHA

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Primetime/ap_muslim_080225_ms.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109&stc=1)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 05:37:32 PM
so its a capitol crime because i honestly still dont know what pro hormones are....
.. i read these forums but i take in what i want to know... i dont need to now anything about drugs because im not interested in them.....
..why is that such a hard concept to grasp? :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 05:39:08 PM
oh and for the record its 405lbs 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 05, 2008, 05:39:20 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA More self-proclaimed naturals showing what a junk food diet and having not even heard of pro-hormones (despite benching 400lbs and reading bodybuilding forums) can do for you.
If you say they juiced you are a bitter hater who is angry that your physique can't defy scientific LAWS about what a natural is capable of



since when were there scientific laws stating what is possible naturally and what is not?

Obviously no one is gonna look like Arnold naturally, but where is the science that says that bench presses stop progressing at 350 lbs or arms stop growing at 16.5 inches?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
... are you for real.. sweet muscles
you dont even know me yet your gonna sit half way across the ocean and call me a liar...
if your gonna deem youself my enemy at least check my track record...
any thing i say   or claim in this case lifts i always have backed it up.. 
because i like lifting and i like to share my love of lifting with others..
what have you shared....
tell you what you keep reading your human physiology books..
and ill keep lifting ..
you also come across as a somewhat intelligent guy..
are you gonna dedicate another 10 pages to calling me a liar... and accusing me of taking drugs...?
without 1 shred of evidence to support your allegation.. other than the fact that i have what some might say is a good physique..
thats the crime.... thats what ive done wrong work out hard and consistently
you make me laugh

 8)


Ok then 'champ' seeing as you did all this just eating junk and defy human physiology you really should be proud to be the world's greatest ever natural.
 Amazing that yesterday you claimed to not know what a pro-hormone is. A guy who benches 400lbs, reps the 160s with ease, has 2396 Posts on Getbig and a 'love' of training but you've never even heard of pro-hormones until I mention them one day ago ::)
HAHAHAHAHA Right, you're trying a little too hard with the naive natural act .

But , hey, props if you're a natural who did all this on a shitty junk food diet. You clearly are the ubermensch , you even have human DNA? ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 05:45:06 PM
i dont have a junk food diet i just dont diet.. i eat what i want.... im form jamaica so my diest is mostly jamaican food..
as for 2396 posts bear in mind ive been a member here over over 4 yrs
...
 :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:47:56 PM

as for 2396 posts bear in mind ive been a member here over over 4 yrs
...
 :-\

 A member for 4 years. Bench 405lbs. Rep the 160s like it's nuttin but a peanut. Yet until yesterday when I mention them you'd never heard of pro-hormones. No one had ever asked you if you juice or done pro-hormones?

RIIIIIIIIIIGHT ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 05, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
It's not a meltdown. It's people who understand about human physiology calling out clear bullshit.  I understand that a great many people here are deeply unintelligent, uneducated - look at 'Slaveboy' for example, totally incapable of producing a rational argument and can only resort to limited ad hominems - and delusional, but some of us know what millions of years of evolution means in terms of getting down to extremely low bodyfat and having a certain type of muscularity without the use of drugs. We know what is possible and what isn't.

 The guy is a clear liar. When he turned up here saying he only eats junk food and has never heard of pro-hormones, I laughed out loud..at him and the idiots who believe him.

I bet if you were white and didn't 'run a gym' looking at juicers all day long, you wouldn't be swinging from his nuts
. Nuts that I guarantee are getting a little help producing extra 'test' ;D

So now you think I am posting as I am not white. Ok your opinion, wrong but whatever....Meso is my e-mate, nice guy with great genetics, so I will post as I see fit like I do with others.

I'm female, so maybe me "hanging of his nuts" as you said is not so bad? Maybe Meso doesn't mind. Does you making *75 posts* in this thread also qualify as "hanging off his nuts"?

I just looked, and w/a margin of error meaning 70 - 80 massive thats a massive level of interest IMO - but you say I am "hanging"? Surely then "we" are "hanging" together? We disagree simple, no need for drama over it. We can post in cohesion, "hanging" together :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 05, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
This is getting repetitive...
i just said i still dont know what prohormones are...
... what part of that dont you understand...
 :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 05:54:40 PM
This is getting repetitive...
i just said i still dont know what prohormones are...
... what part of that dont you understand...
 :-\


 No one ever asked you before if you use AAS or pro-hormones? What about the guys you train with, they all 'natural' too?  btw I understand, I just don't believe you. You're trying too hard to present the image of being a naive natural - which there's plenty about, but not guys as immersed in weight training and bbing culture as you are.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dov on July 05, 2008, 05:54:51 PM
I've gotta say once more...I believe "Mesomorph" is natural. Blessed with great genetics, this guy is extremely lucky and we all know it. From his vids, it's easy to tell that he loves to train and works really hard. So, I think some of you need to spend more time in the gym and less time on his nuts


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 05, 2008, 06:03:29 PM
. So, I think some of you need to spend more time in the gym and less time on his nuts

I think you need to spend more time in the barnyard laying them eggs Mr Foghorn Leghorn

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221325.0;attach=259404;image)





Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: sinbad on July 05, 2008, 07:25:39 PM
I think you need to spend more time in the barnyard laying them eggs Mr Foghorn Leghorn

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221325.0;attach=259404;image)





ok, that was fuck'in funny. I actually cracked up when I read that.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 03:49:58 AM

 No one ever asked you before if you use AAS or pro-hormones? What about the guys you train with, they all 'natural' too?  btw I understand, I just don't believe you. You're trying too hard to present the image of being a naive natural - which there's plenty about, but not guys as immersed in weight training and bbing culture as you are.

yes the guys with i train with are naural.. my younger brother by two years... and some other friends ive known for years...
in this gym ive trained with impropmtu peoople who ask.. to train with me.. but ive never asked them about their natural status..because im just there to lift weights


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Mars on July 06, 2008, 03:59:51 AM
yes the guys with i train with are naural.. my younger brother by two years... and some other friends ive known for years...
in this gym ive trained with impropmtu peoople who ask.. to train with me.. but ive never asked them about their natural status..because im just there to lift weights

What you just said is articulate, it is intelligent and its logical.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 04:07:03 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 04:12:11 AM
yu understand what im sayin tho


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: jr on July 06, 2008, 04:14:14 AM
does your brother have similar ability to build muscle as you?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 04:28:11 AM
yes yes and yes.. very similiar build... we have diff standout bodyparts

but he has better traps.. and a thicker neck better legs... better calves he has good calves.. quite good for a black man in fact...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:48:39 AM
It's not a meltdown. It's people who understand about human physiology calling out clear bullshit.  I understand that a great many people here are deeply unintelligent, uneducated - look at 'Slaveboy' for example, totally incapable of producing a rational argument and can only resort to limited ad hominems - and delusional, but some of us know what millions of years of evolution means in terms of getting down to extremely low bodyfat and having a certain type of muscularity without the use of drugs. We know what is possible and what isn't.

 The guy is a clear liar. When he turned up here saying he only eats junk food and has never heard of pro-hormones, I laughed out loud..at him and the idiots who believe him.

I bet if you were white and didn't 'run a gym' looking at juicers all day long, you wouldn't be swinging from his nuts . Nuts that I guarantee are getting a little help producing extra 'test' ;D

 

its not even up for debate, that mesos level of development is possible for a natural. not everyone, but for some.

your so far off base that your just making an ass out of yourself.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 06, 2008, 05:14:03 AM
its not even up for debate, that mesos level of development is possible for a natural. not everyone, but for some.

your so far off base that your just making an ass out of yourself.




There are guys on this board that have been around bodybuilding longer than you've been alive son. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:15:19 AM

There are guys on this board that have been around bodybuilding longer than you've been alive son. 

are you one of them grandpa?

is that how you talk to your buttyboys?

dave?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MAXX on July 06, 2008, 05:35:37 AM
I think you need to spend more time in the barnyard laying them eggs Mr Foghorn Leghorn

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221325.0;attach=259404;image)




lol

i have to give you props sarcasm, you do have some funny lines at times


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: kyomu on July 06, 2008, 05:41:42 AM
Mesomorph. Judging from your personality, I have believed that you were natural since before.
You are a truely great bber i think.(Hey, but train your legs well also, ok? ;))


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 07:29:30 AM
ths for the shout out narcisstic
...
kyomo...
i was looking at some of your pics today....
you have some serious quads.....very impressive..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 06, 2008, 07:32:48 AM

There are guys on this board that have been around bodybuilding longer than you've been alive son. 


And that is relevant how? ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 08:18:19 AM
its not even up for debate, that mesos level of development is possible for a natural. not everyone, but for some.

your so far off base that your just making an ass out of yourself.



Na, it is up for debate. Your problem is that you can't debate. In fact, you're so unintelligent you don't even know the difference between 'you're' and 'your'. HAHAHAHAHA 'You're' so clearly a dumb failure.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 06, 2008, 09:56:04 AM

 No one ever asked you before if you use AAS or pro-hormones? What about the guys you train with, they all 'natural' too?  btw I understand, I just don't believe you. You're trying too hard to present the image of being a naive natural - which there's plenty about, but not guys as immersed in weight training and bbing culture as you are.

A guy who has no interest in AAS or pro-hormones will not purposely go out of his way to learn what they are.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 10:52:02 AM
teh meso lookin fooking awesome

teh mal=jealous


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
wsup mal long time
thx for the shout out man...
..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 01:05:52 PM
meso how old are you again?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 06, 2008, 01:12:29 PM
I see Sweet Muscles got timed out, wonder if his 80 posts obsessing over Meso had anything to do with it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 01:26:46 PM
If you are genetically gifted you are likely toi pursue weight trianing more. Try harder get stronger etc.

Possibly read about it go on bbuilding boards etc.

People like meso stavios baby hercules spring to mind. All drug free.

Also it is not like every natty on this board is builtlike those 3. They are the exceptions rather than the rule.

also at meso weight tyhe wr unequipped bench is 495lbs so he is 1/5th below the absolute elite.

I believe him. A friend of mine drug free at 19 just misses 396lbs benhc he weight in at 210lbs.

Ia argue so much as i believe that one day i will be repping 405lbs natural and using 160's on inclines. I have used 130lbers before. To many people let the negatibity of others negate their trianing.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 01:30:37 PM
Stavios uses gear. The guy makes no pretence Goudy.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Jeffro on July 06, 2008, 01:33:11 PM
Stavios uses gear. The guy makes no pretence Goudy.
That was a quick stint in time out ???


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 01:33:26 PM
did he admit this or is ot assumption.

if he admits it then ignore him (though he still looks great)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 06, 2008, 01:35:53 PM
I see Sweet Muscles got timed out, wonder if his 80 posts obsessing over Meso had anything to do with it.

That was the quickest I have seen ;D

And yes, Stav uses some gear although he looked pretty good without it as well in his old shots...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 01:41:43 PM
If you are genetically gifted you are likely toi pursue weight trianing more. Try harder get stronger etc.

Possibly read about it go on bbuilding boards etc.

People like meso stavios baby hercules spring to mind. All drug free.

Also it is not like every natty on this board is builtlike those 3. They are the exceptions rather than the rule.

also at meso weight tyhe wr unequipped bench is 495lbs so he is 1/5th below the absolute elite.

I believe him. A friend of mine drug free at 19 just misses 396lbs benhc he weight in at 210lbs.

Ia argue so much as i believe that one day i will be repping 405lbs natural and using 160's on inclines. I have used 130lbers before. To many people let the negatibity of others negate their trianing.

.. wsup goudy...
... people here have somewhat inflated my lifts....
I cant rep 160 on inclines yet... .. i rep the one 145's on inclines
.. and i use 160 on flat press.. since that the heaviest the gym i train i know i can do more though

.. 405 ive done for a single.... thats after doing 135 for 20..
 225 for  15 ..
315 for 10 to 12 ...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 02:52:27 PM
Na, it is up for debate. Your problem is that you can't debate. In fact, you're so unintelligent you don't even know the difference between 'you're' and 'your'. HAHAHAHAHA 'You're' so clearly a dumb failure.

your logic is flawed. you post 50 year old pics as proof that meso cant be natural, when many people on here have seen naturals with the same level of development as meso.

its like debating if red is red, with someone who obviously is color blind.  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
.. wsup goudy...
... people here have somewhat inflated my lifts....
I cant rep 160 on inclines yet... .. i rep the one 145's on inclines
.. and i use 160 on flat press.. since that the heaviest the gym i train i know i can do more though

.. 405 ive done for a single.... thats after doing 135 for 20..
 225 for  15 ..
315 for 10 to 12 ...


alright man.

dude your much stronger and me and your lifts certainly seem legit.

they guy who said 365lb inclines for rep...inferring that you said it.

you should take a few vids sometime...new ones shut them up


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 06, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
.. wsup goudy...
... people here have somewhat inflated my lifts....
I cant rep 160 on inclines yet... .. i rep the one 145's on inclines
.. and i use 160 on flat press.. since that the heaviest the gym i train i know i can do more though

.. 405 ive done for a single.... thats after doing 135 for 20..
 225 for  15 ..
315 for 10 to 12 ...

good lifting man, seriously.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
.. wsup goudy...
... people here have somewhat inflated my lifts....
I cant rep 160 on inclines yet... .. i rep the one 145's on inclines
.. and i use 160 on flat press.. since that the heaviest the gym i train i know i can do more though

.. 405 ive done for a single.... thats after doing 135 for 20..
 225 for  15 ..
315 for 10 to 12 ...


strong lifts and you would probably do more than 405 with a non retarded warm up (= not the typical 15 10 8 6 4 etc bodybuilding pyramid)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 03:10:15 PM
or 135 x 5

225 x 5

275 x 3

315 x 3

365 x 1

385 x 1

415 x 1-2


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WJ_Harley on July 06, 2008, 03:14:10 PM
still safe to say that his max is 405 regardless of how he warms up which is amazing for a natural 195-200 pounder, awesome stuff.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 03:15:46 PM
or 135 x 5

225 x 5

275 x 3

315 x 3

365 x 1

385 x 1

415 x 1-2

exactly. spot on. all these pyramids using excessive reps are bs.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 03:18:23 PM
well i guess for powerlifting that rep scheme is whatever, but for bodybuilding its horrid


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 03:26:44 PM
well i guess for powerlifting that rep scheme is whatever, but for bodybuilding its horrid

yea its just a prime for trying a 1rep max.

i do 5x5 for chest. never gre on higher reps...having said that my chest is my genetic weak point


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
well i guess for powerlifting that rep scheme is whatever, but for bodybuilding its horrid

not at all. it conserves energy for your worksets.  in this case it was up to one max attempt. usually it would be for a few worksets of whatever rep range you wanna work with.

something like: (obviously depending on what the exercise is and how strong you are)
(8  ) x very light weight
5
3
3
1
---
then 3 worksets with the rep range you wanna use


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
not at all. it conserves energy for your worksets.  in this case it was up to one max attempt. usually it would be for a few worksets of whatever rep range you wanna work with.

something like: (obviously depending on what the exercise is and how strong you are)
(8  ) x very light weight
5
3
3
1
---
then 3 worksets with the rep range you wanna use

  oh i guess, yeah, that owuld be fine...   i though you meant that that was the workout in and of itself...



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 03:39:10 PM
  oh i guess, yeah, that owuld be fine...   i though you meant that that was the workout in and of itself...



nope, i meant you should warm up for your worksets but try to avoid the usual bodybuilding pyramids and do low reps for the warm ups so you have more energy for the worksets. instead of just doing one last heavy set....you could be doing something like 3 working sets with same weight in all the working sets..and work within the rep range you want. 6-8, 10-12 or whatever.  that way you would be able to do more sets with your top weights and use heavier top weights because you wouldnt have killed your strength with high rep warm up sets.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 03:45:13 PM
nope, i meant you should warm up for your worksets but try to avoid the usual bodybuilding pyramids and do low reps for the warm ups so you have more energy for the worksets. instead of just doing one last heavy set....you could be doing something like 3 working sets with same weight in all the working sets..and work within the rep range you want. 6-8, 10-12 or whatever.  that way you would be able to do more sets with your top weights and use heavier top weights because you wouldnt have killed your strength with high rep warm up sets.
yeah that would be correct.. i still think that line of thinking os more directed for powerfliting though... as far as hypertophy is concerned, i am not so sure a muscle knows how much it is lifting, but only how much it feels like it is lifting.   

but again, i would say its different fr a nATURAL BODY AND A ASSISTED BODY..

THE NATURAL WANTS TO USE TRAINING TO DO TWO THINGS.. WHICH IS STIMULATE GROWTH AND STIMULATE HORMONE PRODUCTION TO MAKE THAT GROWTH POSSIBLE..   WICH IM SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW.. SINCE YOU ADVOCATE THIS KIND OF TRAINING....   WHILE A ASSISTED LIFTER ONLY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON STIMULATING GROWTH...   WHICH ALLOWS FOR FAR GREATER VARIANCES IN TRAINING TECHNIQUE AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR A FAR GREATER VOLUME OF STIMULATION...   BECAUSE A NATURAL WHO TRAINS HARD FOR AN HOUR MIGHT STIMULATE A BUNCH OF GROWTH ...BUT THEY WONT BE STIMULATING ANY HORMONES WITH THAT KIND OF TRAINING.. SO ALL THOSE GROWTH SIGNALS GO TO WASTE...    YOU HAVE TO FIND A GOOD BALANCE AS A NATURAL BETWEEN GROWTH STIMULATION AND HORMONE STIMULATION.. WHERE AS ASSISTED ITS HAMMERING = GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH..... WHICH IS WHY MILOS GIANT SETS, AND JAY CYUTLER/GUSTAVO BADELL 30+ SETS PER WORKOUT WORK SO GREAT...... AND ALSO WHY YOUR WAY OF TRAINING (HEAVY WEIGHTS LOWER REP RANGES COMPOUND MOVEMENTS) ORKS SO WELL FOR A NATURAL


damnit i didnt mean for that to be in caps... and the spacing is horrible as well... oh well...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 06, 2008, 03:46:14 PM

THE NATURAL WANTS TO USE TRAINING TO DO TWO THINGS.. WHICH IS STIMULATE GROWTH AND STIMULATE HORMONE PRODUCTION TO MAKE THAT GROWTH POSSIBLE..   WICH IM SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW.. SINCE YOU ADVOCATE THIS KIND OF TRAINING....   WHILE A ASSISTED LIFTER ONLY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON STIMULATING GROWTH...   WHICH ALLOWS FOR FAR GREATER VARIANCES IN TRAINING TECHNIQUE AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR A FAR GREATER VOLUME OF STIMULATION...   BECAUSE A NATURAL WHO TRAINS HARD FOR AN HOUR MIGHT STIMULATE A BUNCH OF GROWTH ...BUT THEY WONT BE STIMULATING ANY HORMONES WITH THAT KIND OF TRAINING.. SO ALL THOSE GROWTH SIGNALS GO TO WASTE...    YOU HAVE TO FIND A GOOD BALANCE AS A NATURAL BETWEEN GROWTH STIMULATION AND HORMONE STIMULATION.. WHERE AS ASSISTED ITS HAMMERING = GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH..... WHICH IS WHY MILOS GIANT SETS, AND JAY CYUTLER/GUSTAVO BADELL 30+ SETS PER WORKOUT WORK SO GREAT...... AND ALSO WHY YOUR WAY OF TRAINING (HEAVY WEIGHTS LOWER REP RANGES COMPOUND MOVEMENTS) ORKS SO WELL FOR A NATURAL

Settle down, gh15.  :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 03:54:18 PM
your logic is flawed. you post 50 year old pics as proof that meso cant be natural, when many people on here have seen naturals with the same level of development as meso.

its like debating if red is red, with someone who obviously is color blind.  :D

Ok, seriously then. let's debate and not get personal and ultimately if we disagree we disagree.
I posted pics of dudes from the pre-steroid era as that is a time that people often use as an example as people can't lie about using as, obviously, it was an era before steroids.
 We all agreed that he destroys these guys. I also appealed to science and explained some facts about human physiology , example:
Naturals don't tend to look good at that bodyfat. That's why a lot of the ironagers had higher bodyfat. A lot of them didn't have visible six packs even at the Mr America.

I keep trying to explain to people that the body is the product of millions of years of evolution. It will do anything to hang on to fat stores and that includes cannibalizing virtually ALL your muscle mass before reaching sub 6% bodyfat.
 Problem is that so many of you are used to the juiced look and the guys who use and lie that you don't really know what a true natural physique is realistically like.

true lifetime naturals with no 'assistance' look terrible at really low bodyfat. fact. end of story.

Now, everyone on this thread seems to know black men who look as good as this guy or better and who are natural. Where are these guys? I know plenty of blacks and don't see any naturals that look as good as he is, or have his strength. Certainly not natural.
 So let's keep it friendly and have a debate, please post pics to nattys who look like this guy . I even saw one guy saying he saw 15 year old naturals lifting more and looking better. It's hard to take that shit seriously.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 03:59:49 PM
Ok, seriously then. let's debate and not get personal and ultimately if we disagree we disagree.
I posted pics of dudes from the pre-steroid era as that is a time that people often use as an example as people can't lie about using as, obviously, it was an era before steroids.
 We all agreed that he destroys these guys. I also appealed to science and explained some facts about human physiology , example:
Now, everyone on this thread seems to know black men who look as good as this guy or better and who are natural. Where are these guys? I know plenty of blacks and don't see any naturals that look as good as he is, or have his strength. Certainly not natural.
 So let's keep it friendly and have a debate, please post pics to nattys who look like this guy . I even saw one guy saying he saw 15 year old naturals lifting more and looking better. It's hard to take that shit seriously.
It goes back to what/who is natural? If someone was to post pics(I don't have pics of half naked black men on my comp) and the pics were of guys in as good or better condition holding as much or more muscle than meso.........you would scream "Juicer"!!! and we'd all be back at square one.

Seems to me the only way for you to solve this is to go around the country from gym to gym and ask every black man in the gym that is in good condition to take a blood test in your presence so you can be sure they are all "natural".


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 04:02:55 PM
five reps with 135.. or 225 would be pointless...
...i want not only strength  but endurance as well..
i can rep 225 for maybe  40.. at least no point doing it for 5...
honestly i think 405 is my max for now...
feels different on my body ..
but i'll soon be smashing it...
i nearly did a double last time i tried..
...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 04:07:37 PM
five reps with 135.. or 225 would be pointless...
...i want not only strength  but endurance as well..
i can rep 225 for maybe  40.. at least no point doing it for 5...
honestly i think 405 is my max for now...
feels different on my body ..
but i'll soon be smashing it...
i nearly did a double last time i tried..
...

oh def dude i wa sjust saying that if u were goiin for a max would be better. keep doing what ur doing...clearly working


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 04:09:52 PM
Chaos my man,

Why do you think they do polygraphs and blood tests at the big natural shows?
Because people lie like crazy. The fact is that this isn't cut and dried. A lot of guys don't believe him and a few do.  Believe me, there will be a ton reading this thread knowing that this is bullshit that he's natural and eats only junk and what has mom cooks and has never heard of pro-hormones (that alone rings alarm bells that he claims that shit after being on this site 4 years and immersed in gym life) but they just don't want the hassle of getting involved and getting the guys going 'you're just bitter/jealous'.

 If he is truly natural and can have that muscularity at that bodyfat, not to mention strength, without cannibilizing way more muscle mass then we are seeing genetics better than Flex Wheeler's. Let's at least be clear on that and drop the 'I got a black man in my toolshed who is bigger and more ripped and I only feed him daffodil bulbs' bullshit.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:10:29 PM
Ok, seriously then. let's debate and not get personal and ultimately if we disagree we disagree.
I posted pics of dudes from the pre-steroid era as that is a time that people often use as an example as people can't lie about using as, obviously, it was an era before steroids.
 We all agreed that he destroys these guys. I also appealed to science and explained some facts about human physiology , example:
Now, everyone on this thread seems to know black men who look as good as this guy or better and who are natural. Where are these guys? I know plenty of blacks and don't see any naturals that look as good as he is, or have his strength. Certainly not natural.
 So let's keep it friendly and have a debate, please post pics to nattys who look like this guy . I even saw one guy saying he saw 15 year old naturals lifting more and looking better. It's hard to take that shit seriously.

who said only black guys? my good friend who is originally from albania has never used steroids, he is benching slightly less than meso but he is basically the same height as meso 180cm and weighs 90kg in good form. his cousin (his training partner) has identical stats. i have known several more guys with similar stats. remember we are not talking about 180cm and 100kg ripped...thats a totally different story. and im not gonna post his pics online, as some kind of proof. why? first of all, whats to say he wont be accused of using?....it proves nothing. and secondly i doubt he wants a bunch of homos wanking to his pics  ;D..........thats why i said its basically no debate. because i KNOW its possible to achieve what meso has done naturally (not for everyone tho). some people dont wanna believe it, and nothing i say will convince them otherwise.


and its no myth that black guys (with ancestors from western africa) have the best genetics to build muscle.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 04:11:41 PM
no... i have taken what you have said into consideration..
i only ever go for my max... once a year.. to test myself.. every february...me and my bro and friends make a vid... we havent done one one this year as yet.. when we do i'll try what you said


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
five reps with 135.. or 225 would be pointless...
...i want not only strength  but endurance as well..
i can rep 225 for maybe  40.. at least no point doing it for 5...
honestly i think 405 is my max for now...
feels different on my body ..
but i'll soon be smashing it...
i nearly did a double last time i tried..
...

by all means do you thing. but what you wrote is bs. with smarter training you would be moving even more impressive numbers.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:14:15 PM
Chaos my man,

Why do you think they do polygraphs and blood tests at the big natural shows?
Because people lie like crazy. The fact is that this isn't cut and dried. A lot of guys don't believe him and a few do.  Believe me, there will be a ton reading this thread knowing that this is bullshit that he's natural and eats only junk and what has mom cooks and has never heard of pro-hormones (that alone rings alarm bells that he claims that shit after being on this site 4 years and immersed in gym life) but they just don't want the hassle of getting involved and getting the guys going 'you're just bitter/jealous'.

 If he is truly natural and can have that muscularity at that bodyfat, not to mention strength, without cannibilizing way more muscle mass then we are seeing genetics better than Flex Wheeler's. Let's at least be clear on that and drop the 'I got a black man in my toolshed who is bigger and more ripped and I only feed him daffodil bulbs' bullshit.
First, welcome back from Timeout. :)

Second, I have no horse in this race, I could give a shit less either way. BUT, he claims natural, it's his body, only he knows. You claim he's not natural, your proof? Old ass pictures of guys that had very little understanding of building bodies.  The only way to prove it is what? have Meso meet you somewhere and you guys can go in and do a drug test, maybe he'll let you hold it for him. ;D

Seriously, you're getting way too worked up over something you will NEVER be able to prove/disprove.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 04:20:47 PM
First, welcome back from Timeout. :)

Second, I have no horse in this race, I could give a shit less either way. BUT, he claims natural, it's his body, only he knows. You claim he's not natural, your proof? Old ass pictures of guys that had very little understanding of building bodies.  The only way to prove it is what? have Meso meet you somewhere and you guys can go in and do a drug test, maybe he'll let you hold it for him. ;D

Seriously, you're getting way too worked up over something you will NEVER be able to prove/disprove.

I'm not worked up. I'm debating on a forum. Those 'old ass' pictures are a damn site more than anyone else has come up with. At least I made some effort rather than just keep saying 'he's natural' over and over. I posted pictures and produced rational, scientific reasons why he isn't. In terms of actual debating, I have owned everyone on this thread.

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:22:52 PM
hey whats up everybody. my name is alfred manjables.

heres a picture of me.


i am lifetime natural and i LOVE eating nacho cheese chalupa's from taco bell. i dont have much of an appetite, so normalli have some coffee in the morning, then at dinner i eat at the BELL !

my training is two times per week with those pink dumbells you find at the end of the weight rack. i use them to shadow box for 10 minutes.

 :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:23:53 PM
I'm not worked up. I'm debating on a forum. Those 'old ass' pictures are a damn site more than anyone else has come up with. At least I made some effort rather than just keep saying 'he's natural' over and over. I posted pictures and produced rational, scientific reasons why he isn't. In terms of actual debating, I have owned everyone on this thread.

 
**sighhhhhh* OK........this guy is all natural.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c155/coconutsandapples/next/back.jpg)

If you disagree, then you are disagreeing just to argue, just like I claimed you would, right?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
And I must correct you on something else as it was a deeply ignorant comment.
The pre-steroid era guys did not have 'very little understanding of building bodies' that is bullshit dude.
They had a superb understanding of building natural physiques. Most top naturals train using programmes virtually identical to the ones used then.

They understood better than virtually any of the junkies of today how to train drug free.

Their principles were pretty much what training has turned back to:

Whole food instead of an over-reliance on powders and the like. Lots of steak and eggs. Tons of green veggies and wholegrain carbs. They focused a lot on strength and in compound exercises. They had plenty of rest thrown in there.
They knew everything about training without drugs that seriously alter the human body on a number of different levels all relevant to weight training.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
Ok, seriously then. let's debate and not get personal and ultimately if we disagree we disagree.
I posted pics of dudes from the pre-steroid era as that is a time that people often use as an example as people can't lie about using as, obviously, it was an era before steroids.
 We all agreed that he destroys these guys. I also appealed to science and explained some facts about human physiology , example:
Now, everyone on this thread seems to know black men who look as good as this guy or better and who are natural. Where are these guys? I know plenty of blacks and don't see any naturals that look as good as he is, or have his strength. Certainly not natural.
 So let's keep it friendly and have a debate, please post pics to nattys who look like this guy . I even saw one guy saying he saw 15 year old naturals lifting more and looking better. It's hard to take that shit seriously.

I said something like that earlier, but because I since you are slightly retarded, I'll explain more. What I meant was I played football in highscool with guys who weighed as much or more than meso, say from 195 to 215, none as low in bodyfat, but still close. I said the guys I knew could rep out with 225, which equals 10-15 reps to me. I knew these guys for the 4 years in school, from ages 15 to 18. Of course none were that big and strong at 15, I thought you would figure that.The most built and strongest was at the latter years of highschool after a few years of lifting under their belt. Hell, when I was in highschool at age 18 as a Senior, I benched 285 for a single on FBP. Not a record, but good for a kid who just ate and took the original EAS Phosphagen Creatine. You must really have shit genetics or have juiced before you discovered what you were capable of naturally. Its pretty sad the way you come down on Meso when everyone else agrees he's clean, even most of the guys who juice think he is clean man


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 04:35:23 PM
I said something like that earlier, but because I since you are slightly retarded,

::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:36:44 PM
And I must correct you on something else as it was a deeply ignorant comment.
The pre-steroid era guys did not have 'very little understanding of building bodies' that is bullshit dude.
They had a superb understanding of building natural physiques. Most top naturals train using programmes virtually identical to the ones used then.

They understood better than virtually any of the junkies of today how to train drug free.

Their principles were pretty much what training has turned back to:

Whole food instead of an over-reliance on powders and the like. Lots of steak and eggs. Tons of green veggies and wholegrain carbs. They focused a lot on strength and in compound exercises. They had plenty of rest thrown in there.
They knew everything about training without drugs that seriously alter the human body on a number of different levels all relevant to weight training.
Maybe you could pull one of the training regimines those old ass guys followed and show us how it coincides with todays "natural" trainers?

Another question......do you believe Chris Faildo is 100% lifetime natural, as he has passed every drug test ever given to him, even ones by the Army National Guard for 22 years.
Fatpanda, thanks for starting this- I am not only natural but a LIFETIME drug free IFBB Pro.  How's that!  I've been doing this for 27 years busting my ass not only in the gym but everything that has to do with trying to be the best Natural Bodybuilder in the World.  I have never used any type of Steriods, Growth, insulin, clen, diuretic or any drug to help me reach my goals.  I will challenge anyone who think i'm lying by taking urine or blood test ANYTIME.  I have pasted every polygraph and urine test for all of the Team Universe shows and also at the World Championships.  I am retired from the Army National Guard with 22 years of service and have pasted all of there drug test too.  Come on guys- why would I make this shit up?  Try spending a day, week, month, year with me before accusing me of something that I have never done.  Better yet, order my DVD"Hurricane Warning" at www.cfaildo.com shot by Mitsuru Okabe and watch the interview part.  You will understand more about who Chris Faildo really is.  For those of you who still don't believe me- thanks for the compliment, you are the ones that keeps my fire burning everyday at 42 years of age......202lbs. coming soon!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222650.0;attach=260804;image)

It appears to me he is as muscular and full and even more ripped than Meso, and he has passed every drug test.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:37:33 PM
 guys, this is a picture of my relative capriese

he is a lifetime natural and hardly trains

his diet consists of skittlez and cherry cola

i dont know whats so hard to beliueve about this guy beign natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:38:21 PM
Chaos my man,

Why do you think they do polygraphs and blood tests at the big natural shows?
Because people lie like crazy. The fact is that this isn't cut and dried. A lot of guys don't believe him and a few do.  Believe me, there will be a ton reading this thread knowing that this is bullshit that he's natural and eats only junk and what has mom cooks and has never heard of pro-hormones (that alone rings alarm bells that he claims that shit after being on this site 4 years and immersed in gym life) but they just don't want the hassle of getting involved and getting the guys going 'you're just bitter/jealous'.

 If he is truly natural and can have that muscularity at that bodyfat, not to mention strength, without cannibilizing way more muscle mass then we are seeing genetics better than Flex Wheeler's. Let's at least be clear on that and drop the 'I got a black man in my toolshed who is bigger and more ripped and I only feed him daffodil bulbs' bullshit.

speculation:


first of all, whats to say that meso cant have even better genetics than flex. i bet there are alot of people who dont give a rats ass about competitive bb who have amazing genetics. i dont think that pro genetics are so rare as some people want to believe.

i believe flex wheelers 'natural' genetics are in some ways overrated. i know that will seem like a shocking statement for many people. but let me explain: if flex hadnt used drugs he would probably never been more than 190lbs. (speculation).....flex without drugs is a skinny bitch with tiny joints (tiny joins is good for bodybuilding..so in that sense he has good genetics)

flex also had amazing drug genetics ...in other words he reacted like a mofo to the drugs he injected (also dont forget he was a very heavy user)

so yes, its very possible meso has naturally BETTER genetics in some ways than flex wheeler.  but when you say genetics you have to explain what you include in genetics....would meso look as good as flex did ..if both used drugs? no one knows...probably not..as flex reacted incredibly well to aas...and dont forget that you have to include body structure into the word genetics.

there are many dimensions to genetics :

person A may be bigger than person B as a natural. but when both juice, B reacts alot better than A

person C may be very small naturally but has very tiny joins, great structure and full muscle bellies......but he is so tiny that person D who is naturally big but with only average structure will look alot better than C. but when C starts to juice, he will look incredible with all that aas induced muscle (which he wouldnt have been close to getting without the juice)....and now C blows away D

etc etc.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 04:42:29 PM
guys, this is a picture of my relative capriese

he is a lifetime natural and hardly trains

his diet consists of skittlez and cherry cola

i dont know whats so hard to beliueve about this guy beign natural

Why don't you just come out and say you think Meso juices and quit pussy footing around it bro?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:45:41 PM
Why don't you just come out and say you think Meso juices and quit pussy footing around it bro?
lol !

i already did that like page 2 didnt i ?


if i didnt

here =
meso takes steroids

at least thats what i think


no way a natural looks like that,

now, if he claimed to have a perfect diet be super dedictaed and to live and breathe bodybuilding since he was early teens??? AND if he didnt try to pull that bullshit "i dont even know what prohormones are"..then i might give him the benefit of the doubt

but a liar is a liar


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:47:12 PM
lol !

i already did that like page 2 didnt i ?


if i didnt

here =
meso takes steroids

at least thats what i think


no way a natural looks like that,

now, if he claimed to have a perfect diet be super dedictaed and to live and breathe bodybuilding since he was early teens??? AND if he didnt try to pull that bullshit "i dont even know what prohormones are"..then i might give him the benefit of the doubt

but a liar is a liar

like you know anything about natural bodybuilding. juicing at 19.  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 04:48:09 PM
speculation:


first of all, whats to say that meso cant have even better genetics than flex.

I have never ruled that out. In fact, for him to build that physique then he would have to when you consider that:

he only eats junk and what mom cooks
he looks better than confirmed naturals from pre-steroid era
he looks better than any natural competing - compare him to Layne Norton or Chris Faildo (chaos, there is no comparison, Faildo does not have the density and muscularity to compete with meso, just look at the arms. Faildo supplements like crazy - great friends with natural 'Skip la Cour' ::)  - still can't get close. He is tiny)


But if he has better genetics at least we've moved from the 'he's average for a black guy' ' I know kids of 15 who are stronger and way bigger, that's nothing for a black man'


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
like you know anything about natural bodybuilding. juicing at 19.  ;D
i know.

arnold scharwzenneger didnt know shit about body building. lee priest doesnt know anything about bodybuilding. flex wheeler, shawn ray, dorian yates, markus rhul, dennis wolf, victor martinez..none of them know shit about bodybuilding.

no ifbb professional bodybuilder knows ANYTHIGN about bodybuilding.

fucking drug addicts who dont know shit

they dont know anything !



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:52:04 PM
I have never ruled that out. In fact, for him to build that physique then he would have to when you consider that:

he only eats junk and what mom cooks
he looks better than confirmed naturals from pre-steroid era
he looks better than any natural competing - compare him to Layne Norton or Chris Faildo (chaos, there is no comparison, Faildo does not have the density and muscularity to compete with meso, just look at the arms. Faildo supplements like crazy - great friends with natural 'Skip la Cour' ::)  - still can't get close. He is tiny)


But if he has better genetics at least we've moved from the 'he's average for a black guy' ' I know kids of 15 who are stronger and way bigger, that's nothing for a black man'
Regardless, unless you can get him admit he has used or is using something, it's a pointless debate. Nobody know the truth about what anyone is taking besides the person in question.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
Regardless, unless you can get him admit he has used or is using something, it's a pointless debate. Nobody know the truth about what anyone is taking besides the person in question.
i agree, thats why i post pictures of pro bodybuilders and say they are natural and dont train...




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 04:55:01 PM
lol !

i already did that like page 2 didnt i ?


if i didnt

here =
meso takes steroids

at least thats what i think


no way a natural looks like that,

now, if he claimed to have a perfect diet be super dedictaed and to live and breathe bodybuilding since he was early teens??? AND if he didnt try to pull that bullshit "i dont even know what prohormones are"..then i might give him the benefit of the doubt

but a liar is a liar

I guess I missed that. You never know what you could be capable of naturally, you never gave yourself a chance so you will neevr know, not a knock on you, but just what I think. Everyone makes his claims seem so unreachable which is pure nonsense. He eats Jamaican food, which is extremely nutritious and contains all the elements anyone needs to grow. You don't have to live and die be a protein shake or carbohydrate timing to look good. I worked out for 10 years naturally before I ever touched the sauce, and could bench 375 at that time. Meso's got me by 30 pounds, which is totally believable. The guy is deicated, has better than average genetics and you can tell he genuinely loves working out which is the biggest key of all for any natural, to be consistent.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: warrior_code on July 06, 2008, 04:56:02 PM
Meso, something tells me if you started training in the 100 meter sprint when you were around 10, you could have been a world class sprinter.  Also for what it is worth, you are as strong as many of the discus throwers the world will be watching this summer in the Olympics.  At least in a upper body sense. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 04:56:52 PM
I have never ruled that out. In fact, for him to build that physique then he would have to when you consider that:

he only eats junk and what mom cooks
he looks better than confirmed naturals from pre-steroid era
he looks better than any natural competing - compare him to Layne Norton or Chris Faildo (chaos, there is no comparison, Faildo does not have the density and muscularity to compete with meso, just look at the arms. Faildo supplements like crazy - great friends with natural 'Skip la Cour' ::) ) - still can't get close. He is tiny.

im just saying that i often see that kind of argumentation (not just in this thread)....'if so and so did this and that he would have had to have better genetics than flex or cormier etc'. genetics is a tricky word, because its almost impossible to completely compare the genetics  of two people and at the same time isolate it from other factors such as nutrition, how hard you work etc etc. it all becomes very murky. (and speculative)
and dont forget that different people include different factors into the word 'genetics' which makes discussions even more murky.

but in this case like i said before: i KNOW that mesos level of development is achievable for some naturals.

is mesos genetics better than 90% of the population? 93?  96? 99,9?  doesnt sound like much difference but when you multiply that with millions..you will find that even if he has better genetics than 99% of the population 1% will still equal alot of people with comparable genetics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 04:57:21 PM
i agree, thats why i post pictures of pro bodybuilders and say they are natural and dont train...



:o That's why I posted that pic of Joel Stubbs back and said the same ;)

It can't be proven and I suspect even if Meso passed a drug test SweetMuscles would throw out how easy it is to pass the drug test......Sweetmuscle has his mind made up and there is no changing it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 04:58:36 PM
I guess I missed that. You never know what you could be capable of naturally, you never gave yourself a chance so you will neevr know, not a knock on you, but just what I think. Everyone makes his claims seem so unreachable which is pure nonsense. He eats Jamaican food, which is extremely nutritious and contains all the elements anyone needs to grow. You don't have to live and die be a protein shake or carbohydrate timing to look good. I worked out for 10 years naturally before I ever touched the sauce, and could bench 375 at that time. Meso's got me by 30 pounds, which is totally believable. The guy is deicated, has better than average genetics and you can tell he genuinely loves working out which is the biggest key of all for any natural, to be consistent.
i dont care what i could have achieved naturally. i know what i want to achieve, and the guys who have achieved it, were far ahead of where i am, and were already jucing and already living bodybuilding 24/7... and those guys all had better genetics than i do too. so i know, regardless of what i couldd have done naturaly, to achieve anywhere near what i want tto, there are certain things i MUST do to get there.

haterz like slave dont understand because they have no real physique ambition and they dont want to achieve anything special with their bodies.


so you never took steroids? great for you. more power to you ! but i can assure you, regardless of how you think you look, you look like youve never taken steroids. and that look is a natural look. and its not going to look good ina twisting back doube bicep.  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 05:00:53 PM
Regardless, unless you can get him admit he has used or is using something, it's a pointless debate. Nobody know the truth about what anyone is taking besides the person in question.

 I do not think the debate is entirely pointless as if he is truly natural then he is pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable. I do acknowledge your point though my friend.

The debate has been worthwhile because some people were making absurd claims like seeing 15 year old football players who looked, bigger, better and were stronger. This was patently a lie, we can say that with certainty .

I am very excited because we've found the greatest natural in the world. He should get an agent and start competing.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 05:01:49 PM
i dont care what i could have achieved naturally. i know what i want to achieve, and the guys who have achieved it, were far ahead of where i am, and were already jucing and already living bodybuilding 24/7... and those guys all had better genetics than i do too. so i know, regardless of what i couldd have done naturaly, to achieve anywhere near what i want tto, there are certain things i MUST do to get there.

haterz like slave dont understand because they have no real physique ambition and they dont want to achieve anything special with their bodies.


so you never took steroids? great for you. more power to you ! but i can assure you, regardless of how you think you look, you look like youve never taken steroids. and that look is a natural look. and its not going to look good ina twisting back doube bicep.  ;D

Is that directed at me? You see where I post the most, you lost me.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:01:56 PM
i dont care what i could have achieved naturally. i know what i want to achieve, and the guys who have achieved it, were far ahead of where i am, and were already jucing and already living bodybuilding 24/7... and those guys all had better genetics than i do too. so i know, regardless of what i couldd have done naturaly, to achieve anywhere near what i want tto, there are certain things i MUST do to get there.

haterz like slave dont understand because they have no real physique ambition and they dont want to achieve anything special with their bodies.

so you never took steroids? great for you. more power to you ! but i can assure you, regardless of how you think you look, you look like youve never taken steroids. and that look is a natural look. and its not going to look good ina twisting back doube bicep.  ;D

coming from a guy who turned to aas as a child .


yeah i bet i lift more than you in every exercise and im a life time natural.

what have you benched for example? i have done a strict bench press with 192.5kg. just as one example.

reading your posts you probably read alot..but you understand very very little of what you read  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:02:22 PM
Is that directed at me? You see where I post the most, you lost me.
lol ! no dude, it was more of a general statement towards all human beings.

i know you dude !


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
yeah i bet i lift more than you in every exercise and im a life time natural.

what have you benched for example? i have done a strict bench press with 192.5kg. just as one example.

reading your posts you probably read alot..but you understand very very little of what you read  :D
if i read something i understand it

i becnh press a sufficient amount of weight to make my chest grow...    :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
i know.

arnold scharwzenneger didnt know shit about body building. lee priest doesnt know anything about bodybuilding. flex wheeler, shawn ray, dorian yates, markus rhul, dennis wolf, victor martinez..none of them know shit about bodybuilding.

no ifbb professional bodybuilder knows ANYTHIGN about bodybuilding.

fucking drug addicts who dont know shit

they dont know anything !



haha are you comparing yourself to those guys?    :D

i think you took the wrong pills today.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 05:06:13 PM

but in this case like i said before: i KNOW that mesos level of development is achievable for some naturals.

 This is where we seem to disagree. I believe, and so does Chaos for that matter, that you can only truly know your own body and what you've taken - other people can and do lie. The people you assume are natural may not be. The lies and deceit in gyms around the country is staggering and frightening. If you do ever find a pic of a comparable natural I would love to see it.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:06:35 PM
haha are you comparing yourself to those guys?    :D

i think you took the wrong pills today.


I think he stuck the wrong thing in his ass today.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:06:39 PM
haha are you comparing yourself to those guys?    :D

i think you took the wrong pills today.


i am compraing the fact that you said because a 19 year old would take AAS, that they know nothing about bodybuilding, to the fact that every one of those i mentioned was on AAS at 19, most of them YOUNGER ! than that..



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:07:16 PM
if i read something i understand it

i becnh press a sufficient amount of weight to make my chest grow...    :)

yet you had to turn to drugs at the age of 19   ;D



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 05:07:27 PM
and out o the 99.8% of people who meso has better genetics than are all of them going to train or set foot in a gym... no. Thats what makes the number so much smaller hence not 50million meso in the world

someone has to be elite and genetically blessed...why not meso?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 06, 2008, 05:08:07 PM
if i read something i understand it

i becnh press a sufficient amount of weight to make my chest grow...    :)

you are on drugs press ups will make ur chest grow. fact


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
yet you had to turn to drugs at the age of 19   ;D


you are fucking obsessed with that shit

face the facts, MORON

every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:10:04 PM
you are fucking obsessed with that shit

face the facts, MORON

every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers.


So your goal in life is to be an IFBB Pro?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:13:39 PM
This is where we seem to disagree. I believe, and so does Chaos for that matter, that you can only truly know your own body and what you've taken - other people can and do lie. The people you assume are natural may not be. The lies and deceit in gyms around the country is staggering and frightening. If you do ever find a pic of a comparable natural I would love to see it.


in general i agree. i never been accused of being a naive or trusting person   ;D..........but that being said i 'know' that the people i talked about are natural.

also if your gonna use that kinda of argumentation (only you know what you have taken or not); you back to what i said: the issue is basically not debatable.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
you are fucking obsessed with that shit

face the facts, MORON

every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers.



bullshit. dorian yates is one prime example. he started bodybuilding in 1983 and he was born 1962. and he didnt do any drugs his first year of training. i can give you several other examples. you cant pull numbers out of your ass and hope i cant spot your lies. cuz slaveboy knows alot. i can give you many more examples.

besides, you wont be an IFBB pro. but i can send you a plastic 3 dollar trophy to you if you want  ;D

just me give the adress to your trailer park


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:23:29 PM
So your goal in life is to be an IFBB Pro?
NO



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:25:06 PM
NO



is that the kind of fact as 'every IFBB pro the last 25 years was on drugs as a teen' ??    ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:30:01 PM
is that the kind of fact as 'every IFBB pro the last 25 years was on drugs as a teen' ??    ;D
SLAVE , YOU ARE A NATURAL.

THE NATURAL HUMAN BODY LOOKS LIKE SHIT

NOW TAKE THOSE  PREMISE AND MAKE A CONCLUSION..  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 06, 2008, 05:30:16 PM
As an aside, in either you guys lifts and physiques - if 100% of people assume you are natty all the time that is not the best compliment really is it. No one accuses guys who don't look too great, or bench 175lbs of juicing. Most guys who look decent, or lift decent weight will at some point by someone be thought to be juicing....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 05:31:08 PM
This is where we seem to disagree. I believe, and so does Chaos for that matter, that you can only truly know your own body and what you've taken - other people can and do lie. The people you assume are natural may not be. The lies and deceit in gyms around the country is staggering and frightening. If you do ever find a pic of a comparable natural I would love to see it.

What about this kid, Free Safety from North Carolina State,drafted to the NFL in the third round. Now I don't know if he is a natural or not, but I would lend myself to say yes as speed not muscle mass is a top priority for his position. 6 feet tall, 206 pounds, bodyfat, who knows, but definitely below 10. Probably closer to 7 or 8. Benchpressed 225 for 21 times for the combine, their is a writeup on him in July's M&F. Pretty close in size and weight to Meso, does he meet your criteria?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:31:58 PM
NO


So why use that "every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers." shit as an excuse for doing steroids at 18 years old?

You use that excuse alot to justify why you're a drug addict (again) at 18 instead of going the natural way as far as you could before juicing.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:33:40 PM
SLAVE , I GUAANATEE YOUR A RE A NATURAL.

I GUARANTEE YOU LOOK LIKE A NATURAL.

THE NATURAL HUMAN BODY LOOKS LIKE SHIT

NOW TAKE THOSE THREE PREMISE AND MAKE A CONCLUSION..  ;)

haha, is that what your wisdom at 19 says?   :D

i see you like to generalize the humant limits from looking at your own body. no wonder you use the word shit hahahaha.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:35:31 PM
So why use that "every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers." shit as an excuse for doing steroids at 18 years old?

You use that excuse alot to justify why you're a drug addict (again) at 18 instead of going the natural way as far as you could before juicing.

 why does it matter to you what i do with my own life?

your obsessed with something that has no influence on you and that effects your or anybody you know in any way.

my life, my choices,


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:35:46 PM
So why use that "every person to ever step on an ifbb stage (in the last 25 years) was on steroids in their teen years and al the way through their competitive careers." shit as an excuse for doing steroids at 18 years old?

You use that excuse alot to justify why you're a drug addict (again) at 18 instead of going the natural way as far as you could before juicing.


candizzle has been raped in this thread  
and he is coming back for more. as the little puppy he is.   ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:38:07 PM
haha, is that what your wisdom at 19 says?   :D

i see you like to generalize the humant limits from looking at your own body. no wonder you use the word shit hahahaha.
okay slave

heres a deal for you


i have one picture of myself as a 17 year old doing a side arm flex ... of course i am natural at 17 years old. no pro hormones no nothing. i fact in the picture i had been dieting for a year straight ! no carbs.

tell you what

i post this picture of me as 17 year old natural, you post one of you now.....if your arm looks more muscular or more like a bodybuilders arm than mine did at the time.. guess what ? i am done posting forever, ill have ron delete my account. and my other one.

if my genetics are so shitt, and i know nothing about bodybuilding.

prove it

should be easy, considering the fact that you are "so knowledgeable and so great genetics".. so much so you think meso can be natural

I AM CALLING YOU OUT


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:39:25 PM
 why does it matter to you what i do with my own life?

your obsessed with something that has no influence on you and that effects your or anybody you know in any way.

my life, my choices,

it doesn't matter to me, but if you are going to use what IFBB pros have done with their lives as an excuse to do the same in yours, your goals should be the same or it is lame to use their lives as an excuse.

Just man up and admit it, you don't have the intestinal fortitude to go at it natural, so you're taking a shortcut to make up for your lack of commitment. And the fact that you are a classic addict doesn't help you any.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:40:19 PM
it doesn't matter to me, but if you are going to use what IFBB pros have done with their lives as an excuse to do the same in yours, your goals should be the same or it is lame to use their lives as an excuse.

Just man up and admit it, you don't have the intestinal fortitude to go at it natural, so you're taking a shortcut to make up for your lack of commitment. And the fact that you are a classic addict doesn't help you any.
WHO SAYS MY GOALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS IFBB PROFESSIONALS GOALS?



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:41:21 PM
 why does it matter to you what i do with my own life?

your obsessed with something that has no influence on you and that effects your or anybody you know in any way.

my life, my choices,


and what life is that? injecting drugs in a trailer park ?

(http://www.frostfirezoo.com/files/u1/drugs3453y.jpg)

hahahahahahaa


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:42:17 PM
WHO SAYS MY GOALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS IFBB PROFESSIONALS GOALS?


IFBB professionals have the goal of winning shows and the Olympia one day.

So your goal in life is to be an IFBB Pro?
You said........

NO


If you don't want to be an IFBB pro, you don't have the same goals.....that can't be too hard for you to understand, can it :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:42:36 PM
and what life is that? injecting drugs in a trailer park ?

(http://www.frostfirezoo.com/files/u1/drugs3453y.jpg)

hahahahahahaa
YOU ARE A CHICKEN SHIT

okay slave

heres a deal for you


i have one picture of myself as a 17 year old doing a side arm flex ... of course i am natural at 17 years old. no pro hormones no nothing. i fact in the picture i had been dieting for a year straight ! no carbs.

tell you what

i post this picture of me as 17 year old natural, you post one of you now.....if your arm looks more muscular or more like a bodybuilders arm than mine did at the time.. guess what ? i am done posting forever, ill have ron delete my account. and my other one.

if my genetics are so shitt, and i know nothing about bodybuilding.

prove it

should be easy, considering the fact that you are "so knowledgeable and so great genetics".. so much so you think meso can be natural

I AM CALLING YOU OUT


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Rami on July 06, 2008, 05:43:51 PM
The currently best way to prove you are natural is to enter a tested natural competition, and then looks as good as the picture where you claim natural status. Until then, why believe it?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:44:03 PM
why not hang yourself candizzle? would save yourself from a life of misery and the american tax payers alot of money.  :D

(http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2396_images/0925071153_M_092507_hanged_teens7.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:45:13 PM
IFBB professionals have the goal of winning shows and the Olympia one day.
You said........
If you don't want to be an IFBB pro, you don't have the same goals.....that can't be too hard for you to understand, can it :-\
i would love to be an ifbb pro.
is it my life goal? no

i think my life goals are very similar to most ifbb professionals though

my life goal = to be happy

but for me, part of that is achieving a certain look with my body...

which is the same goals they have


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:45:54 PM
okay slave

heres a deal for you


i have one picture of myself as a 17 year old doing a side arm flex ... of course i am natural at 17 years old. no pro hormones no nothing. i fact in the picture i had been dieting for a year straight ! no carbs.

tell you what

i post this picture of me as 17 year old natural, you post one of you now.....if your arm looks more muscular or more like a bodybuilders arm than mine did at the time.. guess what ? i am done posting forever, ill have ron delete my account. and my other one.

if my genetics are so shitt, and i know nothing about bodybuilding.

prove it

should be easy, considering the fact that you are "so knowledgeable and so great genetics".. so much so you think meso can be natural

I AM CALLING YOU OUT

meltdown.  

have a balony sandwich and go hang out with your uncle bubba clyde mendelweisz.   :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:46:03 PM
SLAVE I CALLED YOU OUT, YOU ARE A PUSSY !! YOU ARE A CHICKEN SHIT !! YOU TALK A HUGE GAME AND WHEN YOUR CALLED OUT YOU ARE ALL TALK !!


okay slave

heres a deal for you


i have one picture of myself as a 17 year old doing a side arm flex ... of course i am natural at 17 years old. no pro hormones no nothing. i fact in the picture i had been dieting for a year straight ! no carbs.

tell you what

i post this picture of me as 17 year old natural, you post one of you now.....if your arm looks more muscular or more like a bodybuilders arm than mine did at the time.. guess what ? i am done posting forever, ill have ron delete my account. and my other one.

if my genetics are so shitt, and i know nothing about bodybuilding.

prove it

should be easy, considering the fact that you are "so knowledgeable and so great genetics".. so much so you think meso can be natural

I AM CALLING YOU OUT


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:47:59 PM
WHO SAYS MY GOALS ARE NOT THE SAME AS IFBB PROFESSIONALS GOALS?



are you saying your goal in life is to suck cock for some gh money in a seedy hotel room ? ahahahahahahaa


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:48:54 PM
SLAVE I CALLED YOU OUT, YOU ARE A PUSSY !! YOU ARE A CHICKEN SHIT !! YOU TALK A HUGE GAME AND WHEN YOUR CALLED OUT YOU ARE ALL TALK !!


okay slave

heres a deal for you


i have one picture of myself as a 17 year old doing a side arm flex ... of course i am natural at 17 years old. no pro hormones no nothing. i fact in the picture i had been dieting for a year straight ! no carbs.

tell you what

i post this picture of me as 17 year old natural, you post one of you now.....if your arm looks more muscular or more like a bodybuilders arm than mine did at the time.. guess what ? i am done posting forever, ill have ron delete my account. and my other one.

if my genetics are so shitt, and i know nothing about bodybuilding.

prove it

should be easy, considering the fact that you are "so knowledgeable and so great genetics".. so much so you think meso can be natural

I AM CALLING YOU OUT


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 05:49:26 PM
lol !

i already did that like page 2 didnt i ?


if i didnt

here =
meso takes steroids

at least thats what i think


no way a natural looks like that,

now, if he claimed to have a perfect diet be super dedictaed and to live and breathe bodybuilding since he was early teens??? AND if he didnt try to pull that bullshit "i dont even know what prohormones are"..then i might give him the benefit of the doubt

but a liar is a liar

you have never like me have you candizzle..
i rememeber the very first time i posted pics..
your words were he is only 180..
i am 200+ why is everyone.. complimenting him..
ok u said im lying scientifically its not possible at the end of the day i know i have built my physique purely on training i know that and god knows that... what has all your scientific theories done for your physique ...
... from your statements... i can tell you could never get to the level physique. i have..
know why...
not because you cant do it... but because you will take steroids before you even get half way there like it or not  have busted my ass year in and year out and im natural...and will die a natural..
if you want to take steroids or whatever fine... but dont knock me.. because i havent...
you knows whats more important than a good physique.. a good heart and principles..
ayt the end of the day you dont know me from adam... for you to be a keyboard warrior. and call me a liar from waaay over there is quite laughable
 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
you have never like me have you candizzle..
i rememeber the very first time i posted pics..
your words were he is only 180..
i am 200+ why is everyone.. complimenting him..
ok u said im lying scientifically its not possible at the end of the day i know i have built my physique purely on training i know that and god knows that... what has all your scientific theories done for your physique ...
... from your statements... i can tell you could never get to the level physique. i have..
know why...
not because you cant do it... but because you will take steroids before you even get half way there like it or not  have busted my ass year in and year out and im natural...and will die a natural..
if you want to take steroids or whatever fine... but dont knock me.. because i havent...
you knows whats more important than a good physique.. a good heart and principles..
ayt the end of the day you dont know me from adam... for you to be a keyboard warrior. and call me a liar from waaay over there is quite laughable
 

no you seem like a cool dude actually

how you deal with the steroid issue is your own thing

my opinion is you are lying about it


i understand not wanting to post on an open forum that you have used illegal substances.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: slaveboy1980 on July 06, 2008, 05:51:17 PM
SLAVE I CALLED YOU OUT, YOU ARE A PUSSY !! YOU ARE A CHICKEN SHIT !! YOU TALK A HUGE GAME AND WHEN YOUR CALLED OUT YOU ARE ALL TALK !!



dont forget to breath boy.

(http://www.strangepolice.com/images/content/109568.jpg)

looks like your on your way to be an IFBB pro


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 05:52:25 PM
Meso, something tells me if you started training in the 100 meter sprint when you were around 10, you could have been a world class sprinter.  Also for what it is worth, you are as strong as many of the discus throwers the world will be watching this summer in the Olympics.  At least in a upper body sense. 
thx man..
 i used to be the fastest boy in my school...
when i left my brother was the fastest...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
i would love to be an ifbb pro.
is it my life goal? no

i think my life goals are very similar to most ifbb professionals though

my life goal = to be happy

but for me, part of that is achieving a certain look with my body...

which is the same goals they have

No, unfortunately for you, it's not. They are using to compete and win shows, you are using because you are insecure with your body and don't have the balls or guts to do it natural. Why can't you admit that?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 05:59:23 PM
No, unfortunately for you, it's not. They are using to compete and win shows, you are using because you are insecure with your body and don't have the balls or guts to do it natural. Why can't you admit that?
hahah. yeah sure, all these guys want to do is win that trophy that says mr. ironman !! mr arnold classic !!

LOL

i am sorry bro, but ANYBODY, even your milos sarcev, ANYBODY who goes to such lengths to make their body look like a compeitive bodybuilders body looks like is super insecure with their own body and CANT make their body look like that naturally...

what does having "gutz" have to do with it? your retarded if you think that.

you know why your boy milos seems confident? because h elooks lik he does. did you know milos before bodybuilding, back when he looked like a normla human being? nope. and i can guarantee you back when he did he was super insecure and hated his body.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 06:01:39 PM
hahah. yeah sure, all these guys want to do is win that trophy that says mr. ironman !! mr arnold classic !!

LOL

i am sorry bro, but ANYBODY, even your milos sarcev, ANYBODY who goes to such lengths to make their body look like a compeitive bodybuilders body looks like is super insecure with their own body and CANT make their body look like that naturally...

what does having "gutz" have to do with it? your retarded if you think that.

you know why your boy milos seems confident? because h elooks lik he does. did you know milos before bodybuilding, back when he looked like a normla human being? nope. and i can guarantee you back when he did he was super insecure and hated his body.

Psychologist candidildo to the rescue....... ::)

Admit it, you are insecure and don't have the balls to go at it natural, and you are an addict, the worst kind no doubt, bouncing from one addiction to another.

I feel bad for you, a young guy with no future because of your addictions. :'(


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 06:02:35 PM
Admit it, you are insecure
...ummm....    you are retarded ?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 06:06:31 PM
...ummm....    you are retarded ?
Not nearly as retarded as you. Maybe you should get therapy instead of wasting your parents money on steroids?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 06:06:38 PM
no you seem like a cool dude actually

how you deal with the steroid issue is your own thing

my opinion is you are lying about it


i understand not wanting to post on an open forum that you have used illegal substances.




mmm you just said im a cool dude... but with the same tongue you are calling me a liar...
 :-\
your opinion is based on jealousy and no proof...
... in life i never do anything i am ashamed of.. if i was taking steroids i would say so.....
people like you have a closed way of thinking....
not everything falls under a formula or conforms to whats written in a book...
...
today i went for a swim.. when i was coming out the pool about 7 kids rushed up to me... all about 9 to yrs old and were like whoah... man how did you get like .. that can i punch you... etc etc.. one of them said are you on steroids.....???
i said no..
i found that very sad that a kid of 10 thinks the only way he can build a good physique is with steroids...



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 06:08:53 PM

mmm you just said im a cool dude... but with the same tongue you are calling me a liar...
 :-\
your opinion is based on jealousy and no proof...
... in life i never do anything i am ashamed of.. if i was taking steroids i would say so.....
people like you have a closed way of thinking....
not everything falls under a formula or conforms to whats written in a book...
...
today i went for a swim.. when i was coming out the pool about 7 kids rushed up to me... all about 9 to yrs old and were like whoah... man how did you get like .. that can i punch you... etc etc.. one of them said are you on steroids.....???
i said no..
i found that very sad that a kid of 10 thinks the only way he can build a good physique is with steroids...


if you are ntaural, hell yeah i am jealous ! i got no shame admittingg that.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 06:16:37 PM
why be jealous...
how do u know you cant achieve the same or even better results...
at the young age of 19 you have already reached your limitations?
well im older than you... and ihave no limits... my simple goal is to train and enjoy training...
and once you train hard you HAVE to get results.. forget all the science....and people telling you what you can or cant do...
for instance i know i will hav 20 inch arms naturally and im not talkin cut arms not fat...
thats a goal of mine... and i dont care if it takes me till im forty .. i will get it... why because i love training... for me its not about getting big quick its the process and the challenge.
so as i said a lot of my physique is actually attributed to the way i think....



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 06, 2008, 06:18:33 PM
why be jealous...
how do u know you cant achieve the same or even better results...
at the young age of 19 you have already reached your limitations?
well im older than you... and ihave no limits... my simple goal is to train and enjoy training...
and once you train hard you HAVE to get results.. forget all the science....and people telling you what you can or cant do...
for instance i know i will hav 20 inch arms naturally and im not talkin cut arms not fat...
thats a goal of mine... and i dont care if it takes me till im forty .. i will get it... why because i love training... for me its not about getting big quick its the process and the challenge.
so as i said a lot of my physique is actually attributed to the way i think....


meso if you are natural like you claim to be, you must realize that that would make 95% of ifbb professionals admittedly jealous of you. and the other 5% would be liers !  ;D



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 06, 2008, 06:22:02 PM


 
your opinion is based on jealousy and no proof...

It's not based on jealousy. It's based on science and knowledge of hormones.



not everything falls under a formula or conforms to whats written in a book...
No, not everything conforms to what's written in a book - unless it's about human physiology. Unfortunately the human body is limited in what it can achieve naturally by hard science.

today i went for a swim.. when i was coming out the pool about 7 kids rushed up to me... all about 9 to yrs old and were like whoah... man how did you get like .. that can i punch you... etc etc.. one of them said are you on steroids.....???
i said no..

Well obviously you said no as you're supposed to be a lifetime natural. Funny that you're asked this question all the time yet until I mentioned them yesterday, you claimed to have never heard of pro-hormones. After 4 years on getbig and all these years in the gym and going 'swimming' no one ever said:

 'ever used steroids' 

 'no'

 'what about pro-hormones?'

 'what are they?'

Until two days ago until I mention them , you've not even heard of them? Yea right. All those years benching 405lbs and this conversation never happened until you talked to me ::) yea right, this from a guy who was ordering BFTO 2007 and started a thread about it..you never heard of pro-hormones , yea right.

You play the naive natural a little too hard bro.




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 06:24:43 PM
i dont think so... i can tell you..
a lot of times i hear dexter or chris say i dont have to do cardio...
i dont find it hard to believe..
I dont do cardio ever period.. in fact in 2 yrs... today is the first time ive actually done anything cardiovascular ..which was the swimming i mentioned earlier.. because im gettin too stiff... well for me anyway...
but my brother is the same ..doesnt have to do cardio to stay lean.. and some of my friends.. in fact a lot of jamaican people are like that.. and some africans especially ghanians...
this is why i find it bizarre when people dont think im natural..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 06, 2008, 06:31:09 PM
It's not based on jealousy. It's based on science and knowledge of hormones.


No, not everything conforms to what's written in a book - unless it's about human physiology. Unfortunately the human body is limited in what it can achieve naturally by hard science.

Well obviously you said no as you're supposed to be a lifetime natural. Funny that you're asked this question all the time yet until I mentioned them yesterday, you claimed to have never heard of pro-hormones. After 4 years on getbig and all these years in the gym and going 'swimming' no one ever said:

 'ever used steroids' 

 'no'

 'what about pro-hormones?'

 'what are they?'

Until two days ago until I mention them , you've not even heard of them? Yea right. All those years benching 405lbs and this conversation never happened until you talked to me ::) yea right, this from a guy who was ordering BFTO 2007 and started a thread about it..you never heard of pro-hormones , yea right.

You play the naive natural a little too hard bro.





Ive repeatedly told you I dont know what those are because
1. I dont need them
2.Im not interested in them
3 I dont do drugs
i watch bfto for training i have quite a few bbing dvd's....
like tomorrow im doing back... sometimes... ill watch a back session... segmet
i love training... and anything to do with training...




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: thelamefalsehood on July 06, 2008, 07:06:38 PM
Sweetmuscles, you never answered my question about the Free Safety from NCSU, Dajuan Morgan. Almost identical build and stats to Meso, can't say if he is natural or not, but I would think so based on his position alone. Benched 225 for 21 at the combine, does he juice as well in your view?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 06, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
Meso, we all know you are just trying to make yourself seem like you are better than everyone here by claiming you are a unique gifted natural. 

Not even Ronnie Coleman was as gifted as you as a natural...so stop lying!

Not all of us believein your lies !!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 07:53:18 PM
wsup mal long time
thx for the shout out man...
..


nothing...man i dislocated my shoulder 4 weeks ago and i haven't lifted...don't know if i can lift heavy again...i don't know shit about lifting with an injured shoulder...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 07:54:50 PM
nothing...man i dislocated my shoulder 4 weeks ago and i haven't lifted...don't know if i can lift heavy again...i don't know shit about lifting with an injured shoulder...
You still in Los Angeles?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 07:55:54 PM
You still in Los Angeles?

hell yeah...i was lifting at golds downtown LA...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: HeyNow on July 06, 2008, 07:57:18 PM
you forgot to train traps.

Please post a pic of your traps so we can all know how they are supposed to look :P Thanks tough guy.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
hell yeah...i was lifting at golds downtown LA...
Sucks for you, have you seen a doctor?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 07:59:45 PM
Sucks for you, have you seen a doctor?
yeah. this dude said 4 weeks in a sling and then rehab...fuck all that...i was in the sling 2 weeks and ill do my own form of rehab....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 08:04:39 PM
.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: chaos on July 06, 2008, 08:06:35 PM
LOL, what's with the puckered up guido lips? ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 08:08:51 PM
LOL, what's with the puckered up guido lips? ;D

lol....i know i been doing that lately in all the pictures...those guido pictures are too funny.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Eisenherz on July 06, 2008, 08:09:12 PM
LOL, what's with the puckered up guido lips? ;D

They're probably like that naturally.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: EwaBeachBoy on July 06, 2008, 08:16:58 PM
Hey Big Mal, Im sorry about your lip deformity. I know a good plastic surgeon that can fix that


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 06, 2008, 08:46:50 PM
Hey Big Mal, Im sorry about your lip deformity. I know a good plastic surgeon that can fix that

yeah that was extremely lame chief


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 06, 2008, 08:48:15 PM
.

Are you related to Scott Alexander?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Moosejay on July 06, 2008, 08:50:48 PM
nothing...man i dislocated my shoulder 4 weeks ago and i haven't lifted...don't know if i can lift heavy again...i don't know shit about lifting with an injured shoulder...

among the worst injuries you can have for lifting, especially if you don't listen to clinicians and let it heal


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Moosejay on July 06, 2008, 08:51:48 PM
yeah. this dude said 4 weeks in a sling and then rehab...fuck all that...i was in the sling 2 weeks and ill do my own form of rehab....

not wishing it, but it may not end well for you...accept the words of one who knows...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: sgt. d on July 06, 2008, 10:01:07 PM
LOL, what's with the puckered up guido lips? ;D

wow no racist jokes :o

Did you turn in your white sheets ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 07, 2008, 03:13:19 AM
nothing...man i dislocated my shoulder 4 weeks ago and i haven't lifted...don't know if i can lift heavy again...i don't know shit about lifting with an injured shoulder...
...

sorry to hear that man.... injuries suck
there was a guy in my gym who dislocated his shoulder while benching wasnt pretty..
how did you dislocate yours?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 07, 2008, 04:29:28 AM
lol....i know i been doing that lately in all the pictures...those guido pictures are too funny.


Mal, just because meso doesn't do any cardio doesn't mean that you should follow him..  :-X

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222056.0;attach=260926;image)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dr.chimps on July 07, 2008, 06:09:45 AM
28 pages of jealousy. AH AH AH AH


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 07, 2008, 08:27:30 AM

Mal, just because meso doesn't do any cardio doesn't mean that you should follow him..  :-X

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222056.0;attach=260926;image)

LMAO..FUCK CARDIO... I AINT GETTING READY FOR NO SHOW. AND I DAMN SURE AINT LOOKIN FOR "RED HOOK'S" APPROVAL...LOL..CARDIO ::)   


AND YEAH MESO I WAS PLAYING FOOTBALL FOR A SEMI PRO TEAM. NEW SHOULDER PADS..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 07, 2008, 08:28:38 AM
not wishing it, but it may not end well for you...accept the words of one who knows...

WHAT HAPPEND WITH YOU


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 07, 2008, 09:04:19 AM
LMAO..FUCK CARDIO... I AINT GETTING READY FOR NO SHOW. AND I DAMN SURE AINT LOOKIN FOR "RED HOOK'S" APPROVAL...LOL..CARDIO ::)   


AND YEAH MESO I WAS PLAYING FOOTBALL FOR A SEMI PRO TEAM. NEW SHOULDER PADS..

I look at food and I gain 5lbs of fat right around the gut..I have to keep doing cardio  :(

do you have more pics of that girl?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 07, 2008, 09:06:00 AM

Mal, just because meso doesn't do any cardio doesn't mean that you should follow him..  :-X

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222056.0;attach=260926;image)

Did Flex Wheeler inspire you to vandalize your arms?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 07, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
I don't really do cardio beyond 5 min on the treadmill before legs.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 07, 2008, 09:14:41 AM
I look at food and I gain 5lbs of fat right around the gut..I have to keep doing cardio  :(

do you have more pics of that girl?

NA I CAN GET A JAGILLION OF HER THOUGH....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 07, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
Did Flex Wheeler inspire you to vandalize your arms?
I GOT MINE BEFORE FLEX...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 07, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
NA I CAN GET A JAGILLION OF HER THOUGH....

she has some good size, post some pics and let me see what she is working with


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: bmuscle90 on July 07, 2008, 01:00:15 PM
I believe that mesomorph is natural.. I know a guy for over 10yrs who trains naturally 7 days a week, eats clean, gets enough rest and has a solid build at 5'10" 215lbs with 18" arms with a 32" waist.  Its just how focused you are and how bad you want it.  Its stupid how some people think that if you train naturally you will come to a point where you cant grow anymore.  I dont believe that.. you want to get bigger you will find a way to do that.. eat more.. rest.. lift heavier.. no such thing as you cant grow anymore. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 07, 2008, 01:14:29 PM
meso candi has also put me down criticised me compared himself to me for over 2 years anyway.

the guy is like lisa simpson...the answer to teh question noone asked.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SquatAss on July 07, 2008, 03:10:06 PM
I believe that mesomorph is natural.. I know a guy for over 10yrs who trains naturally 7 days a week, eats clean, gets enough rest and has a solid build at 5'10" 215lbs with 18" arms with a 32" waist.  Its just how focused you are and how bad you want it.  Its stupid how some people think that if you train naturally you will come to a point where you cant grow anymore.  I dont believe that.. you want to get bigger you will find a way to do that.. eat more.. rest.. lift heavier.. no such thing as you cant grow anymore. 

Well you may not believe that but that just proves your ignorance. You can only carry as much muscle as your hormones can support. That's the major reason why people who inject hormones are able to carry more muscle. It's also the major reason why they shrink when they get back to natural hormonal levels.

Not to mention the fact that the older you get, the less testosteron your body produces.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 07, 2008, 03:34:04 PM
thx for the shout out bmuscle...


goud.. i honestly dont know what the deal with candizzle is...
he seems to be way too caught up in the theory part of bbing.. rather than the practical..
guys like that dont give their body a chance to mature to gain a great physique that he probably could..
why because he knows the science so... in essence he's always looking for a easy way.....me i like the hard way.. its a challenge


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 07, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
thx for the shout out bmuscle...


goud.. i honestly dont know what the deal with candizzle is...
he seems to be way too caught up in the theory part of bbing.. rather than the practical..
guys like that dont give their body a chance to mature to gain a great physique that he probably could..
why because he knows the science so... in essence he's always looking for a easy way.....me i like the hard way.. its a challenge

dude everytime you call me goud i laugh cos my mates do that lol

honestly teh guy lost 80lbs or something shows he has some sort of  drive at least. why not apply it to as you say practical trianing. Its overkill. Like one legged squats on a vibratoing platform on a swiss ball...theory sound good for many reason tho lacks practicality

IMO drugs are the easy way out. meso what can you chin with weights btw? how are your dips these days


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 07, 2008, 10:01:01 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here but bear with me. Here's why I believe Meso is natural. I've noticed that people who use ph/aas have very full inner chests as well as very full lower biceps, 2 things that Meso doesn't have (not to take anything away from him as he looks great). Compare Meso to the kid below. At the time the picture was taken the kid had just finished one month of superdrol. His stats: 20 years old, 170 lbs, 5'11" 7 % bf.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 07, 2008, 10:05:44 PM
LOL. That kid looks like a swimmer next to meso.  Brutal 12 inch guns.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 07, 2008, 10:09:07 PM
thx for the shout out bmuscle...


goud.. i honestly dont know what the deal with candizzle is...
he seems to be way too caught up in the theory part of bbing.. rather than the practical..
guys like that dont give their body a chance to mature to gain a great physique that he probably could..
why because he knows the science so... in essence he's always looking for a easy way.....me i like the hard way.. its a challenge
you dont know me dude, you never saw me train and you dont know how i live or eat


i am as dedicated as any other dude

just because i get into the details doesnt mean jack shit about how hard i train


if you are indeed a natural, its quite obvious why you would have no desire to actually get into the details of this shit.. you dont need to !


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 07, 2008, 11:25:21 PM
dude everytime you call me goud i laugh cos my mates do that lol

honestly teh guy lost 80lbs or something shows he has some sort of  drive at least. why not apply it to as you say practical trianing. Its overkill. Like one legged squats on a vibratoing platform on a swiss ball...theory sound good for many reason tho lacks practicality

IMO drugs are the easy way out. meso what can you chin with weights btw? how are your dips these days

wsup goud..
hmmm for chinning i dont usually use weights... but on the few occasions i have ive done it with
a 20 kg plate and a 10 kg plate around my waiste... im more of a push guy than a pull guy though im strong on back....
dips... i havent done in a while either . but i can use 5 plates around my waiste but the dipping chain and belt at my gym are a bit iffy so i normally go to 5 plates and make sure i get at least 10 reps


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: musclehedz on July 07, 2008, 11:53:50 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here but bear with me. Here's why I believe Meso is natural. I've noticed that people who use ph/aas have very full inner chests as well as very full lower biceps, 2 things that Meso doesn't have (not to take anything away from him as he looks great). Compare Meso to the kid below. At the time the picture was taken the kid had just finished one month of superdrol. His stats: 20 years old, 170 lbs, 5'11" 7 % bf.



Like all naturals he has very weak shoulders. So yes you might be right.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: jr on July 08, 2008, 02:43:57 AM
Well you may not believe that but that just proves your ignorance. You can only carry as much muscle as your hormones can support. That's the major reason why people who inject hormones are able to carry more muscle. It's also the major reason why they shrink when they get back to natural hormonal levels.

Not to mention the fact that the older you get, the less testosteron your body produces.

Why do dome people with low testosterone levels such as women can develop large muscles such as calves. And before anyone says that the ability to have large calves is genetic, has it ever occurred to you that any and every other muscle in the body can potentially have this genetic potential to be large.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Dballn247 on July 08, 2008, 02:50:26 AM
Why do dome people with low testosterone levels such as women can develop large muscles such as calves. And before anyone says that the ability to have large calves is genetic, has it ever occurred to you that any and every other muscle in the body can potentially have this genetic potential to be large.

Yes and No.  You are born with a certain amount of muscle fibers.  Some women just have a lot in their calves but almost nil in the rest of their bodies.  Working out only causes hypertrophy.  Steroids do the same.  Short of using growth there is no addition of new fibers and that is highly debated as well.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on July 08, 2008, 02:57:28 AM
nothing...man i dislocated my shoulder 4 weeks ago and i haven't lifted...don't know if i can lift heavy again...i don't know shit about lifting with an injured shoulder...

I had this too man, you'll be fine, just give it some time to heal.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: jr on July 08, 2008, 02:58:04 AM
Yes and No.  You are born with a certain amount of muscle fibers.  Some women just have a lot in their calves but almost nil in the rest of their bodies.  Working out only causes hypertrophy.  Steroids do the same.  Short of using growth there is no addition of new fibers and that is highly debated as well.


The logical progression from this is that some rare individuals are born with a lot more muscle fibres than average  in muscles other than their calves. What happens when they start bodybuilding? You get people like mesomorph.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 08, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
why be jealous...
how do u know you cant achieve the same or even better results...
at the young age of 19 you have already reached your limitations?
well im older than you... and ihave no limits... my simple goal is to train and enjoy training...
and once you train hard you HAVE to get results.. forget all the science....and people telling you what you can or cant do...
for instance i know i will hav 20 inch arms naturally and im not talkin cut arms not fat...
thats a goal of mine... and i dont care if it takes me till im forty .. i will get it... why because i love training... for me its not about getting big quick its the process and the challenge.
so as i said a lot of my physique is actually attributed to the way i think....


:D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 08, 2008, 06:08:26 AM
I had this too man, you'll be fine, just give it some time to heal.


Fuck yeah....thanks


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SquatAss on July 08, 2008, 06:37:55 AM
The logical progression from this is that some rare individuals are born with a lot more muscle fibres than average  in muscles other than their calves. What happens when they start bodybuilding? You get people like mesomorph.

You missed the point. I never stated that meso is or isn't natural. Someone said a person can just keep growing muscle forever.. well that just isn't the case.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 08, 2008, 07:31:07 AM
29 pages spent wondering if Meso is natty or not...I think we can see why the people who are questioning him have not built a physique close to his yet...

And Meso barely posts here...Hmmm, another clue.

There was a question is getbig is addictive, and the answer for many is yes. Maybe if more of us got the Iron addiction back, many getbiggers would actually look descent and rep this site like Meso, Goudy, Big_Mal, and many others.

   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: TrueGrit on July 08, 2008, 07:41:10 AM
29 pages spent wondering if Meso is natty or not...I think we can see why the people who are questioning him have not built a physique close to his yet...


   

 Not many people have..natural or even juiced in many cases.
 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 11:03:49 AM
Like all naturals he has very weak shoulders. So yes you might be right.
weak shoulders huh
 :-\
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gym.jpg)
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv

..and once again these are old vids and pics. bigger now weak legs perhaps.. but not weak delts...




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 08, 2008, 11:07:01 AM
Natural bullshitter ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 11:18:10 AM
nope
its the truth u cant handle.. im a very plain and straight guy i dont need to make anything up
mr 23
i always thought you were cool but a couple pmed me and told me otherwise
a shame though because in your vids... you seem to have a passion for training...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 08, 2008, 12:14:39 PM
nope
its the truth u cant handle.. im a very plain and straight guy i dont need to make anything up
mr 23
i always thought you were cool but a couple pmed me and told me otherwise
a shame though because in your vids... you seem to have a passion for training...
come on fella...who0 do you think you bs-ing ?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 12:18:18 PM
come on fella...who0 do you think you bs-ing ?

oh god another non -believer cos of their own shit genetics...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 08, 2008, 12:19:54 PM
oh god another non -believer cos of their own shit genetics...
its not "shit genetics", goudy... its genetics comprable to 99% of the human population. if meso is natural like he says, hes got the top 1 % of genetics on the planet. AND, he is not lazy, hes dedicated as fuck; even with those great genetics.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 12:21:29 PM
come on fella...who0 do you think you bs-ing ?
ive stopped replying to your posts directly
...i'd prefer if you do the same
cool
mes 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 12:22:57 PM
its not "shit genetics", goudy... its genetics comprable to 99% of the human population. if meso is natural like he says, hes got the top 1 % of genetics on the planet. AND, he is not lazy, hes dedicated as fuck; even with those great genetics.
i wouldnt go that far candizzle
but you can bet your life on it... I am and will always be natural...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 12:24:04 PM
its not "shit genetics", goudy... its genetics comprable to 99% of the human population. if meso is natural like he says, hes got the top 1 % of genetics on the planet. AND, he is not lazy, hes dedicated as fuck; even with those great genetics.

fair enough. BUT someone has to be in teh top 1% why not meso?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorphttp://www.getbig.com/boards/indh) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 08, 2008, 12:24:24 PM
He looks very natural to me.
His triceps just look decent because he's pushing his lats against his arms.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
thx for the shoutout m8
while my arms arent my standout bodypart they arent chopped liver

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gymtris2004.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/coldbi.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gympreacher2004.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/IMAGE_00015-1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/IMAGE_00014-1.jpg)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Method101 on July 08, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
Meso, fuck off your in the top 1% of the population in being an ugly son of a bitch aswell.

good luck with that.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 08, 2008, 12:59:25 PM
fair enough. BUT someone has to be in teh top 1% why not meso?
no reason, he certainly could be a genetic elite



heres the thing

on this site alone,  we have got a dozen or so guys who all claim natural status, all of whom would have to be in that 1% of the genetic elite to realy be natural.  on a case to case basis, no one wants to say "your lying, you use steroids"...  but look at the big picture !!!   we have around 15 guys on this site that are genetic freaks of nature???    no.    maybe 1, possibly two, definitely not three of them.

could meso be natural? hell yeah.

but out of all the guys who look awesome and claim natural.. youg otta draw the line... because that same argument is always used " if somebody is in that top 1%, why not  *insert name* ? "

see what i mean?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: m8 on July 08, 2008, 01:01:59 PM
thx for the shoutout m8
while my arms arent my standout bodypart they arent chopped liver
http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=gymtris2004.jpg
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/coldbi.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/gympreacher2004.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/IMAGE_00015-1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/IMAGE_00014-1.jpg)


2nd picture is sick.
Good job.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: kwri298 on July 08, 2008, 01:02:12 PM
go down to any big city black neighborhood and you'll see a lot of black dudes in their 20's totally natural who look like meso, it's genetics, he's a very hard trainer who's figured out what works for his body.

Bullshit


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 01:03:00 PM
candizzle..
i dont make money im not a bber..
i dont want to be one...
i have no gain in sayin im natural..
..
i am natural... and always will be


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
no reason, he certainly could be a genetic elite



heres the thing

on this site alone,  we have got a dozen or so guys who all claim natural status, all of whom would have to be in that 1% of the genetic elite to realy be natural.  on a case to case basis, no one wants to say "your lying, you use steroids"...  but look at the big picture !!!   we have around 15 guys on this site that are genetic freaks of nature???    no.    maybe 1, possibly two, definitely not three of them.

could meso be natural? hell yeah.

but out of all the guys who look awesome and claim natural.. youg otta draw the line... because that same argument is always used " if somebody is in that top 1%, why not  *insert name* ? "

see what i mean?


if you are genetically elite with good physique then more likely to post a pic.
15 guys from hundreds is about right...


just my 2 cents. also it is possible to take awesome pics and look twice as big. e.h here is a foto of me when shortly after being ill at 19yrs of age so no more than 200lbs.

I look much larger than 200lbs


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 08, 2008, 01:10:32 PM
if you are genetically elite with good physique then more likely to post a pic.
15 guys from hundreds is about right...


just my 2 cents. also it is possible to take awesome pics and look twice as big. e.h here is a foto of me when shortly after being ill at 19yrs of age so no more than 200lbs.

I look much larger than 200lbs

     

certain things are POSSIBLE for the human body, certain things are impossible

meso is POSSIBLE, if you look at all his pics

other guys who claim natural, definitely IMPOSSIBLE

heres a simple way.. does it look like a human being looks? if yes, then its natural. does it look like a different species altogether.. kind of like an ape or a caveman or neandrathal? then the guy is not natural.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 01:12:15 PM
i dont get ya? can you elaborate?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 08, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
i dont get ya? can you elaborate?
if you want to get scientific about it, the human body can only support a given amount of muscle mass.  it wont go any higher than a certain point, because the circulating level of androgens (testosterone) only go so high.  a natural bodybuilder will NEVER reach the musculature of an ifbb pro, because a natural bodybuilder will NEVER have enough androgens to support that kind of muscle mass.

so what im syaing is, if it doesnt look like a human, (ifbb pro), then its not operating on the same level as a human.

meso does look very human, he just looks like an active human with small joints and good structure.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
if you want to get scientific about it, the human body can only support a given amount of muscle mass.  it wont go any higher than a certain point, because the circulating level of androgens (testosterone) only go so high.  a natural bodybuilder will NEVER reach the musculature of an ifbb pro, because a natural bodybuilder will NEVER have enough androgens to support that kind of muscle mass.

so what im syaing is, if it doesnt look like a human, (ifbb pro), then its not operating on the same level as a human.

meso does look very human, he just looks like an active human with small joints and good structure.

i understand now. meso does look huuman just a larger version...where as ifbb pros look cartoon like


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 08, 2008, 01:23:03 PM
i understand now. meso does look huuman just a larger version...where as ifbb pros look cartoon like
yeah ! cartoon look = steroids

human look = natural

if anybody looks like a cartooon and tels you they are nntaural? they are fucking lying !

now, that doesnt mean that everybody who looks like a human is natural though. lots of guys use tons of gear and never look cartoon like.


i think meso is natural  now, after seeing more pics of him, but in that one side tri picture in the t shirt he  does look cartoonish, thats why i said he wasnt natural... but he gots tons of other pics where he looks human


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 08, 2008, 01:46:32 PM
i totally beleive meso because i knew a guy here in LA  with a similar body named wesley boxley...big ass arms and traps small waist and insane chest...i know he wasnt on roids because he couldnt even afford to eat everyday....ill try to get pics this week too show you


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 02:46:23 PM
yeah ! cartoon look = steroids

human look = natural

if anybody looks like a cartooon and tels you they are nntaural? they are fucking lying !

now, that doesnt mean that everybody who looks like a human is natural though. lots of guys use tons of gear and never look cartoon like.


i think meso is natural  now, after seeing more pics of him, but in that one side tri picture in the t shirt he  does look cartoonish, thats why i said he wasnt natural... but he gots tons of other pics where he looks human

Sorry but you don't get abs like that "natural".  Especially never dieting, doing very little cardio, and eating whatever you want.  Taye Diggs, 50 Cent, etc. are all rumored to atleast be on GH.  50 Cent was named in a recent pharmacy bust.  Look at LL Cool J.  That dude works out religiously and does copious amounts of cardio but he's probably a lifetime natural too huh? LOL.  There are TONS of black guys that use fucking steroids.  You white boys keep thinking they are all honest and genetic freaks.  Some are, probably many more genetic freak black guys walking around but for fuck's sake there are a lot of black guys juicing.  And just as many black guys lying about it as white guys.  Whether or not meso uses steroids is one thing.......but downplaying how hard it is to get abs like that by "I just go to the gym to blow off steam," "I eat oreos and jamaican food," etc.  is fookin stupid.  I give no one the benefit of the doubt in bodybuilding anymore...........way too many liars.  I've seen guys, very religious I love Jesus guys lie straight to the faces of friends, family, wives, gf's about their steroid use.  I don't know meso or chris faildo from john doe.  So until all of a sudden the bodybuilding industry and fitness culture all of a sudden finds its moral compass I'll call bullshit more often than not. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 02:47:51 PM
i totally beleive meso because i knew a guy here in LA  with a similar body named wesley boxley...big ass arms and traps small waist and insane chest...i know he wasnt on roids because he couldnt even afford to eat everyday....ill try to get pics this week too show you

Again what a stupid ass comment.  He couldn't afford to eat everyday yet he could "afford" to workout?  What was he lifting fucking boulders in the park or what?  I know a lot of crackheads that can't afford food but manage to find enough money for drugs.  Dbol is cheaper than dirt. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 02:56:41 PM
Sorry but you don't get abs like that "natural".  Especially never dieting, doing very little cardio, and eating whatever you want.  Taye Diggs, 50 Cent, etc. are all rumored to atleast be on GH.  50 Cent was named in a recent pharmacy bust.  Look at LL Cool J.  That dude works out religiously and does copious amounts of cardio but he's probably a lifetime natural too huh? LOL.  There are TONS of black guys that use fucking steroids.  You white boys keep thinking they are all honest and genetic freaks.  Some are, probably many more genetic freak black guys walking around but for fuck's sake there are a lot of black guys juicing.  And just as many black guys lying about it as white guys.  Whether or not meso uses steroids is one thing.......but downplaying how hard it is to get abs like that by "I just go to the gym to blow off steam," "I eat oreos and jamaican food," etc.  is fookin stupid.  I give no one the benefit of the doubt in bodybuilding anymore...........way too many liars.  I've seen guys, very religious I love Jesus guys lie straight to the faces of friends, family, wives, gf's about their steroid use.  I don't know meso or chris faildo from john doe.  So until all of a sudden the bodybuilding industry and fitness culture all of a sudden finds its moral compass I'll call bullshit more often than not. 

i only after

drinking bottle coke
2 packets onion rings
2 packets parma vio;lets
ice cream lolly

and i have ripped lean abs never do cardio.

its called genetics. i am luckyt i can get away with that. meso is even luckier. my mate eats worse than me and is 5% bf year round


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 03:39:34 PM
i only after

drinking bottle coke
2 packets onion rings
2 packets parma vio;lets
ice cream lolly

and i have ripped lean abs never do cardio.

its called genetics. i am luckyt i can get away with that. meso is even luckier. my mate eats worse than me and is 5% bf year round


 ::)  Post a picture then champ. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
of what i ate or me?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: marcus on July 08, 2008, 03:45:15 PM
Goudy's posted his pictures many times.


Here's a poll for this thread.
http://snappoll.com/poll/280223.php


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 08, 2008, 03:47:37 PM
Goudy's pics are floating around and he looks very good.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 08, 2008, 03:50:08 PM
if you want to get scientific about it, the human body can only support a given amount of muscle mass.  it wont go any higher than a certain point, because the circulating level of androgens (testosterone) only go so high.  a natural bodybuilder will NEVER reach the musculature of an ifbb pro, because a natural bodybuilder will NEVER have enough androgens to support that kind of muscle mass.

so what im syaing is, if it doesnt look like a human, (ifbb pro), then its not operating on the same level as a human.

meso does look very human, he just looks like an active human with small joints and good structure.


(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/206712461_0660a94d2c.jpg?v=1154747412)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 03:51:57 PM
Well someone post them up.  I can't find them.  The search engines on these boards are useless. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 08, 2008, 03:53:47 PM
The search engines on these boards are useless. 

Totally :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 03:55:23 PM
god the are atrocious.


i always look for old toipics posts etc and never ever have ne joy


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 04:04:59 PM
god the are atrocious.


i always look for old toipics posts etc and never ever have ne joy


What are your measurements?  Height? weight? arms? etc?  I saw one pic of you and I have a hard time believing you've never touched a bodybuilding drug.  Of course you probably have better genetics than Bill Pearl and John Grimek, are probably stronger than both of them, train harder, and eat like shit most of the time?  LOL am I right? 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 08, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Mes is lean and has has some great arms..but his chest his OK

there are a few other natties on here with impressive parts as well.

all though I have never seen Meso legs I think that Alex23 probably has better legs and is just as lean
that guy SteelePegasus probably has a better chest
Croatch (sp) has some great all around thickness
Kiwiol if he leaned out would be just as impressive
Camel Jockey has a pretty good lat spread


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 08, 2008, 04:32:29 PM
my chest dwarf my arms


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 08, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
What are your measurements?  Height? weight? arms? etc?  I saw one pic of you and I have a hard time believing you've never touched a bodybuilding drug.  Of course you probably have better genetics than Bill Pearl and John Grimek, are probably stronger than both of them, train harder, and eat like shit most of the time?  LOL am I right? 

6'3.5, 230lbs, 22, arms 18.5" cold flexed over 19" pumped.

not that strong at all tho ok for my age. i take your disbelief as a compliment...espec as i cant even take creatine.

alex has posted a shot with incredible chest thickness was doing a crab most muscular.
croatch is in great nick
baby hercules in fantastic
CJ back is great
big_mal is impressive too


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 04:44:25 PM
6'3.5, 230lbs, 22, arms 18.5" cold flexed over 19" pumped.

not that strong at all tho ok for my age. i take your disbelief as a compliment...espec as i cant even take creatine.

alex has posted a shot with incredible chest thickness was doing a crab most muscular.
croatch is in great nick
baby hercules in fantastic
CJ back is great
big_mal is impressive too

I'm 6'5 and I don't believe you are 6'3.  The measurements you just posted would rival those of an 18 year old dbol abusing Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Of course I only saw one pic of you.  Would love to see a few more. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 08, 2008, 11:10:59 PM
oh god another non -believer cos of their own shit genetics...
i believe you are the onewho hasshitty genes fella...you are another  ::) natural


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 08, 2008, 11:20:17 PM
i only after

drinking bottle coke
2 packets onion rings
2 packets parma vio;lets
ice cream lolly

and i have ripped lean abs never do cardio.

its called genetics. i am luckyt i can get away with that. meso is even luckier. my mate eats worse than me and is 5% bf year round
you and your 5 %  ::) b uddy are both lying. I'm totally not buying your farce.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 08, 2008, 11:31:16 PM
you and your 5 %  ::) b uddy are both lying. I'm totally not buying your farce.

Dude he's full of shit.  Look at Arnold at 18 years old.  He truly had 18 inch arms at 6'+.  Goudy's stats rival a young Arnold's and many young drug using bodybuilders.  But I guess an 18 inch arm really isn't that big right?  ::)  I mean gosh I see guys with 18 inch arms all over the place.  I mean there are so many of them at my gym aren't they at yours? 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 09, 2008, 12:08:25 AM
Again what a stupid ass comment.  He couldn't afford to eat everyday yet he could "afford" to workout?  What was he lifting fucking boulders in the park or what?  I know a lot of crackheads that can't afford food but manage to find enough money for drugs.  Dbol is cheaper than dirt. 
bitch....shut up. the weight room at my high school was open to amumni.  it was well known that he didnt have a lot a money and we would all help them out...dick face


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 09, 2008, 12:21:53 AM
bitch....shut up. the weight room at my high school was open to amumni.  it was well known that he didnt have a lot a money and we would all help them out...dick face

We all "know a black guy this or a black guy that............" ::)  I'm sure you've got a bunch of white boy friends walking around telling everyone how "big" and "diesel" you are.  LOL. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 09, 2008, 01:58:52 AM
you and your 5 %  ::) b uddy are both lying. I'm totally not buying your farce.

i can post a pic of my mate...actually have numerous times.

mcmanus...an 18" arm on a plus 6 footrt is not huge at all. to b ecompletely honest my arms are small in proportion to rest of me


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 09, 2008, 02:03:57 AM
i can post a pic of my mate...actually have numerous times.

mcmanus...an 18" arm on a plus 6 footrt is not huge at all. to b ecompletely honest my arms are small in proportion to rest of me

You have no clue what you are talking about.  A legit 18 inch arm is "big" by bodybuilding standards.  A 21 inch arm is considered HUGE.  Combine that with your height and age and 18 inches is VERY impressive.  And I saw your pic and your arm is very overpowering compared to your chest and rest of your body.  Like i siad though I only saw that one pic of you. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 09, 2008, 02:34:08 AM
We all "know a black guy this or a black guy that............" ::)  I'm sure you've got a bunch of white boy friends walking around telling everyone how "big" and "diesel" you are.  LOL. 
:D

I absolutely hate hypocrisy in bodybuilding and recreational lifting.

What amazes me the most is that some wannabees popping dbol and test or whatever come here claiming natural status when anyone who competed and experimented with or without drugs knows what natural looks like , knows what 6% bf looks like etc...



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 09, 2008, 02:41:06 AM
big mal not saying you are gay bro......lol didn't mean white boy friends..........just white guys.  If anyone in this post is natural it's big mal.  Look at those legs.  They are like fucking tree trunks.  And his head is like a cannon ball!  Definitely natural! 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 09, 2008, 09:29:05 AM
You have no clue what you are talking about.  A legit 18 inch arm is "big" by bodybuilding standards.  A 21 inch arm is considered HUGE.  Combine that with your height and age and 18 inches is VERY impressive.  And I saw your pic and your arm is very overpowering compared to your chest and rest of your body.  Like i siad though I only saw that one pic of you. 

an 18" arm is impressive if you are average height. i am almost 7" taller than average male in ireland.

comparing an 18 inch and a 21 inch is absurd and stupid. like comparing a 15 and an 18 inch arm.

one inch on an arm is a massive visual difference. 3 inches would be absurd.

differnece between myself and arnold was that he was a quality lean and full muscular 230 i am not. though i am lean.

sevaste i wont even bother responding to you...you ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 09, 2008, 10:00:17 AM
an 18" arm is impressive if you are average height. i am almost 7" taller than average male in ireland.

comparing an 18 inch and a 21 inch is absurd and stupid. like comparing a 15 and an 18 inch arm.

one inch on an arm is a massive visual difference. 3 inches would be absurd.

differnece between myself and arnold was that he was a quality lean and full muscular 230 i am not. though i am lean.

sevaste i wont even bother responding to you...you ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance GAYNESS/LOVE FOR "LE COQ"
FIXED   ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 09, 2008, 12:11:47 PM
an 18" arm is impressive if you are average height. i am almost 7" taller than average male in ireland.

comparing an 18 inch and a 21 inch is absurd and stupid. like comparing a 15 and an 18 inch arm.

one inch on an arm is a massive visual difference. 3 inches would be absurd.

differnece between myself and arnold was that he was a quality lean and full muscular 230 i am not. though i am lean.

sevaste i wont even bother responding to you...you ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance
same here ive stop responding to him 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 09, 2008, 12:52:45 PM
to teh guy who doubted my height here you go. its slightly lower than waist level so i look taller than the door when really i am a few inches shorter than it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: davidpaul on July 09, 2008, 12:58:26 PM
to teh guy who doubted my height here you go. its slightly lower than waist level so i look taller than the door when really i am a few inches shorter than it

is that robert wadlow?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 09, 2008, 12:59:07 PM
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

posted before...me @ 17 before i started training. I am around 180-5lbs here


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 12, 2008, 04:45:33 PM
stop ASKING ME THIS SHIT ALREADY
YES HE IS TOO SKINNY TO BE HORMONIZED,,,HE GOT NO THICKNESS ,,SHOULDER ARE PATHETIC AND FRONT STANDING RELAXED HE DOESNT HAVE THE THICKNESS,,,NOW THAT DOESNT MEAN HE IS COMPLETELY NATURAL BECAUSE HIS INDIVIDUAL MUSCLES SHOW GOOD QUALITYYET IT CAN BE CHOEVED WITH TRAINING AND FOOD AND SOME IGF MAYBE  WHICH IS NATURAL CONSIDERED ,,
THE FELLA IS `190 WHEN HE IS TRULY 5% NOT EVEN A POUND MORE AND AT 5'11 THE GYS WITH THE BEST GENETICS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL A NOT SO IMPRESSIVE LOOK FROM FAR YET PRETTY IMPRESSIVE LOOK ON A CLOSE UP WHILE BEING NATURAL

THIS FELLA HASNT SEEN A TESTOSTERONE NEEDLE ,,MAYBE TRIED SOME ORALS ,,M1T OR TURINABOL MAYBE SOME IGF BUT NOT CONSISTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE BIG DIFF AND DEFENITELY HAS O THICKNESS WHEN IT COMES TO HIM STANDING NEXT TO GUYS ON HORMONES

SO YES THE GENERAL DEFINITION FOR THIS FELLA IS NATURAL,,THIS IS THE BEST YOU WILL LOOK NATURALLY IF YOU ARE THE GENETIC ELITE,,ITS OT IMPRESSIVE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IMPRESSIVE BUT VERY GOOD FOR NATURAL STATUS BECAUSE THIS FELLA REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT DURETIC IS AND WHAT TEST SHOTS IS ,,JUST A GUY THAT WORKS OUT AND LOOKS VERY GOOD WITH MINIMAL TO NONE USE OF ANY PRODUCT

AGAIN THIS IS THE MAX A BLACK GUY CAN LOOK LIKE NATURALLY BUT IT STILL DONT TOUCH 200 AT 4% ,,THIS FELLA ON STAGE IS 185 3-4% WHICH MAY WIN HIM LOCAL BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ANYTHING NATIONAL LEBVELS
GH15 APPROVED


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 12, 2008, 04:56:39 PM
i cant believe you all went and digged up this then
yawn gh15 im natural
i dont have pathertic shoulders....
in fact my delts are quite big in real life..
ive never taken any pills
who are u to say what i cann achieve...
????? ??? ??? ???
if im so pathetic as u say why is it so hard to believe im natural
i dont use any form of drugs.. have never.... and i will never...
wheteher u believe this or not is ur business...
im not gonna spend anymore time repeating myself on the matter
mes


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 12, 2008, 04:57:22 PM
gh15 has spoken!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 12, 2008, 05:01:01 PM
Now SourCandi can sleep soundly tonight.. his pm's have been answered.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WillGrant on July 12, 2008, 05:08:00 PM
stop ASKING ME THIS SHIT ALREADY
YES HE IS TOO SKINNY TO BE HORMONIZED,,,HE GOT NO THICKNESS ,,SHOULDER ARE PATHETIC AND FRONT STANDING RELAXED HE DOESNT HAVE THE THICKNESS,,,NOW THAT DOESNT MEAN HE IS COMPLETELY NATURAL BECAUSE HIS INDIVIDUAL MUSCLES SHOW GOOD QUALITYYET IT CAN BE CHOEVED WITH TRAINING AND FOOD AND SOME IGF MAYBE  WHICH IS NATURAL CONSIDERED ,,
THE FELLA IS `190 WHEN HE IS TRULY 5% NOT EVEN A POUND MORE AND AT 5'11 THE GYS WITH THE BEST GENETICS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL A NOT SO IMPRESSIVE LOOK FROM FAR YET PRETTY IMPRESSIVE LOOK ON A CLOSE UP WHILE BEING NATURAL

THIS FELLA HASNT SEEN A TESTOSTERONE NEEDLE ,,MAYBE TRIED SOME ORALS ,,M1T OR TURINABOL MAYBE SOME IGF BUT NOT CONSISTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE BIG DIFF AND DEFENITELY HAS O THICKNESS WHEN IT COMES TO HIM STANDING NEXT TO GUYS ON HORMONES

SO YES THE GENERAL DEFINITION FOR THIS FELLA IS NATURAL,,THIS IS THE BEST YOU WILL LOOK NATURALLY IF YOU ARE THE GENETIC ELITE,,ITS OT IMPRESSIVE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IMPRESSIVE BUT VERY GOOD FOR NATURAL STATUS BECAUSE THIS FELLA REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT DURETIC IS AND WHAT TEST SHOTS IS ,,JUST A GUY THAT WORKS OUT AND LOOKS VERY GOOD WITH MINIMAL TO NONE USE OF ANY PRODUCT

AGAIN THIS IS THE MAX A BLACK GUY CAN LOOK LIKE NATURALLY BUT IT STILL DONT TOUCH 200 AT 4% ,,THIS FELLA ON STAGE IS 185 3-4% WHICH MAY WIN HIM LOCAL BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ANYTHING NATIONAL LEBVELS
GH15 APPROVED
Why the change of mind NARC?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 12, 2008, 05:21:19 PM
stop ASKING ME THIS SHIT ALREADY
YES HE IS TOO SKINNY TO BE HORMONIZED,,,HE GOT NO THICKNESS ,,SHOULDER ARE PATHETIC AND FRONT STANDING RELAXED HE DOESNT HAVE THE THICKNESS,,,NOW THAT DOESNT MEAN HE IS COMPLETELY NATURAL BECAUSE HIS INDIVIDUAL MUSCLES SHOW GOOD QUALITYYET IT CAN BE CHOEVED WITH TRAINING AND FOOD AND SOME IGF MAYBE  WHICH IS NATURAL CONSIDERED ,,
THE FELLA IS `190 WHEN HE IS TRULY 5% NOT EVEN A POUND MORE AND AT 5'11 THE GYS WITH THE BEST GENETICS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL A NOT SO IMPRESSIVE LOOK FROM FAR YET PRETTY IMPRESSIVE LOOK ON A CLOSE UP WHILE BEING NATURAL

THIS FELLA HASNT SEEN A TESTOSTERONE NEEDLE ,,MAYBE TRIED SOME ORALS ,,M1T OR TURINABOL MAYBE SOME IGF BUT NOT CONSISTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE BIG DIFF AND DEFENITELY HAS O THICKNESS WHEN IT COMES TO HIM STANDING NEXT TO GUYS ON HORMONES

SO YES THE GENERAL DEFINITION FOR THIS FELLA IS NATURAL,,THIS IS THE BEST YOU WILL LOOK NATURALLY IF YOU ARE THE GENETIC ELITE,,ITS OT IMPRESSIVE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IMPRESSIVE BUT VERY GOOD FOR NATURAL STATUS BECAUSE THIS FELLA REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT DURETIC IS AND WHAT TEST SHOTS IS ,,JUST A GUY THAT WORKS OUT AND LOOKS VERY GOOD WITH MINIMAL TO NONE USE OF ANY PRODUCT

AGAIN THIS IS THE MAX A BLACK GUY CAN LOOK LIKE NATURALLY BUT IT STILL DONT TOUCH 200 AT 4% ,,THIS FELLA ON STAGE IS 185 3-4% WHICH MAY WIN HIM LOCAL BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ANYTHING NATIONAL LEBVELS
GH15 APPROVED

x2  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 13, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
i cant believe you all went and digged up this then
yawn gh15 im natural
i dont have pathertic shoulders....
in fact my delts are quite big in real life..
ive never taken any pills
who are u to say what i cann achieve...
????? ??? ??? ???
if im so pathetic as u say why is it so hard to believe im natural
i dont use any form of drugs.. have never.... and i will never...
wheteher u believe this or not is ur business...
im not gonna spend anymore time repeating myself on the matter
mes

he said you are natural, maybe experimented with orals but could be natural, we can't prove anything on the internet though

your delts aren't small but compared to steroid using higher level competitor bodybuilder whose delts are the size of grapefruit they might be


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 13, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
i cant believe you all went and digged up this then
yawn gh15 im natural
i dont have pathertic shoulders....
in fact my delts are quite big in real life..
ive never taken any pills
who are u to say what i cann achieve...
????? ??? ??? ???
if im so pathetic as u say why is it so hard to believe im natural
i dont use any form of drugs.. have never.... and i will never...
wheteher u believe this or not is ur business...
im not gonna spend anymore time repeating myself on the matter
mes

Sometimes I envy black guys for their superior physical genes; when I look at your deformed writing and obviously inferior IQ, I breathe a sigh of relief.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 13, 2008, 01:22:15 AM
Sometimes I envy black guys for their superior physical genes; when I look at your deformed writing and obviously inferior IQ, I breathe a sigh of relief.

good for you man
 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 13, 2008, 01:24:08 AM
he said you are natural, maybe experimented with orals but could be natural, we can't prove anything on the internet though

your delts aren't small but compared to steroid using higher level competitor bodybuilder whose delts are the size of grapefruit they might be
trust me in real life as i stand now...
nope...



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Epic_Monster on July 13, 2008, 07:28:42 AM
I believe he's natural!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 13, 2008, 07:53:14 AM
I can't believe the level of jealousy here and that this thread is still active.

A lot of people here must have really, really..... really needed drugs to look halfway decent. :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 13, 2008, 08:11:18 AM
I believe he's natural!

me too

trust me in real life as i stand now...
nope...



i do trust you, i was just clarifying was gh15 said, or at least what i inferred from it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 13, 2008, 08:50:45 AM
I can't believe the level of jealousy here and that this thread is still active.

A lot of people here must have really, really..... really needed drugs to look halfway decent. :)

Yeah...true enough but the flip side is that no amount of drugs can change a two digit IQ like mesomorph's.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 13, 2008, 08:53:51 AM
Now SourCandi can sleep soundly tonight.. his pm's have been answered.
fuck you buddy i said i believed he was natural after looking at all the pics and i never asked gh15 about meso natural status.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 13, 2008, 08:56:12 AM
Yeah...true enough but the flip side is that no amount of drugs can change a two digit IQ like mesomorph's.

This is coming from a guy that can't look at a woman's anus without a man coming to mind. :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 13, 2008, 09:09:11 AM
This is coming from a guy that can't look at a woman's anus without a man coming to mind. :)

he's probably jealous because guys like meso pulled all the ass in high school

shit i would be


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 13, 2008, 09:10:55 AM
This is coming from a guy that can't look at a woman's anus without a man coming to mind. :)

Not a man; just shit coming out of the hole...you know the anus? The place where feces is excreted?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 13, 2008, 09:37:14 AM
Yeah...true enough but the flip side is that no amount of drugs can change a two digit IQ like mesomorph's.

 ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 13, 2008, 09:39:34 AM
Sometimes I envy black guys for their superior physical genes; when I look at your deformed writing and obviously inferior IQ, I breathe a sigh of relief.


;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 13, 2008, 09:41:34 AM
Meso needs to chain himself to a bed and not move for 3 years to maximise atrophy, and eat only one apple a day. After this he can post pics and then maybe people will be happy, as it seems beyond some getbiggers to actually be complimentary to anyone. Saying you don't think he is natty is fair enough, being nasty to someone who is always cool to others just denotes massive jealousy :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 13, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Meso needs to chain himself to a bed and not move for 3 years to maximise atrophy, and eat only one apple a day. After this he can post pics and then maybe people will be happy, as it seems beyond some getbiggers to actually be complimentary to anyone. Saying you don't think he is natty is fair enough, being nasty to someone who is always cool to others just denotes massive jealousy :)

I do think he is natural. He probably has a big, long piece of wood too; he is black after all.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: drkaje on July 13, 2008, 10:09:07 AM
I do think he is natural. He probably has a big, long piece of wood too; he is black after all.

Geez dude!!

You've 'graduated' from thinking about men's asses to their "big, long piece(s) of wood".

I really don't want to know what's next.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 13, 2008, 11:37:06 AM
Meso needs to chain himself to a bed and not move for 3 years to maximise atrophy, and eat only one apple a day. After this he can post pics and then maybe people will be happy, as it seems beyond some getbiggers to actually be complimentary to anyone. Saying you don't think he is natty is fair enough, being nasty to someone who is always cool to others just denotes massive jealousy :)

well, it's not fair that he can looks so much better than the rest of us nattys >:(

i'm jealous i can admit it  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 13, 2008, 11:39:07 AM
well, it's not fair that he can looks so much better than the rest of us nattys >:(

i'm jealous i can admit it  ;D


Meso looks amazing for a natural, no doubt. He deserves every complement he can get for his physique.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 13, 2008, 12:39:23 PM
Sometimes I envy black guys for their superior physical genes; when I look at your deformed writing and obviously inferior IQ, I breathe a sigh of relief.

Sad life you lead...Calling Korean women "it's", putting others down, yet trying to bask so gloriously in your manufactured "superior" intellect, when in reality your just some fat guy who says he has poor genetics, yet has never really taken himself or anything to the max, which is why you hate on others.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: polychronopolous on July 13, 2008, 12:44:40 PM
It took alot of work and dieting to acheive that ripped physique.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 13, 2008, 01:12:36 PM
well, it's not fair that he can looks so much better than the rest of us nattys >:(

i'm jealous i can admit it  ;D

See you are fine then ;D

Taking away the gender difference, Meso has a way better physique that me also and I work pretty hard at it. I would hate him and all, but he's too nice for me to hate. You and I can pine over our poor genetics together one day 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 13, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
See you are fine then ;D

Taking away the gender difference, Meso has a way better physique that me also and I work pretty hard at it. I would hate him and all, but he's too nice for me to hate. You and I can pine over our poor genetics together one day 8)

Aren't you female?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 13, 2008, 02:22:37 PM
Aren't you female?

where u from muscl emcmanus.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 13, 2008, 02:23:43 PM
Aren't you female?

Yes, thats why I said "taking away the gender difference" in my post. He still has far better genetics and structure than I do, although obviously I would not want his, but I would like that same high quality in a female version however :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 13, 2008, 02:29:46 PM
Why are you asses talking about being in envy and putting him down at the same time? Sounds like you've got an inferiority complex.

I'm not surprised with meso.. Why? Well, I've seen many dudes like him, and while they aren't exactly a dime a dozen, they exist within black communities.

The only thing that's suspect to me is his strength. A natural being a 405 bencher and 160 lbs db presser is fucking amazing. Even doing those lifts while on drugs = a good feat.

Hats off to this cat.  8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 13, 2008, 03:01:19 PM
thx for the shoutout
jocky jnives cq.... parker
..ps cq you looook waaay better than me... ;D
 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 13, 2008, 04:45:42 PM
where u from muscl emcmanus.

United States of America. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 13, 2008, 04:58:36 PM
Why are you asses talking about being in envy and putting him down at the same time? Sounds like you've got an inferiority complex.

I'm not surprised with meso.. Why? Well, I've seen many dudes like him, and while they aren't exactly a dime a dozen, they exist within black communities.

The only thing that's suspect to me is his strength. A natural being a 405 bencher and 160 lbs db presser is fucking amazing. Even doing those lifts while on drugs = a good feat.

Hats off to this cat.  8)

My only problem with meso is how he downplays the dedication and discipline it takes to achieve the kind of results he has.  Sorry even a natural Flex Wheeler still has to be discipline in diet to achieve meso's look.   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 13, 2008, 06:54:32 PM
Yes, thats why I said "taking away the gender difference" in my post. He still has far better genetics and structure than I do, although obviously I would not want his, but I would like that same high quality in a female version however :D

hey cq, do you have a body like a female sprinter?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Theoak* on July 13, 2008, 08:13:48 PM
Props to the mesomorph with no thickness and pathetic shoulders.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 13, 2008, 11:24:38 PM
My only problem with meso is how he downplays the dedication and discipline it takes to achieve the kind of results he has.  Sorry even a natural Flex Wheeler still has to be discipline in diet to achieve meso's look.   

.... Im am verrry dedicated to training...

but like i said i dont diet... at all...
and i dont eat 4- 6 meals a day ..
i just eat like a normal person...

....
the oak thanks for your "compliment"
 ;)

mes
 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: evandatp on July 14, 2008, 12:27:32 AM
Yeah...true enough but the flip side is that no amount of drugs can change a two digit IQ like mesomorph's.
Please stop posting until you're out of Korea.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 14, 2008, 12:36:38 AM
.... Im am verrry dedicated to training...

but like i said i dont diet... at all...
and i dont eat 4- 6 meals a day ..
i just eat like a normal person...

....
the oak thanks for your "compliment"
 ;)

mes
 8)

Yeah, you see people don't get it...If they stop posting so much and actually work out, consistently, then holy shit, they just might get arms like yours. Can you believe that notion? You never downplayed your dedication, you actually "wear it on your sleeve" so to speak...

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 14, 2008, 12:58:50 AM
Yeah, you see people don't get it...If they stop posting so much and actually work out, consistently, then holy shit, they just might get arms like yours. Can you believe that notion? You never downplayed your dedication, you actually "wear it on your sleeve" so to speak...

 

You can have all the dedication in the world but if your nutrition isn't spot on you're not going to gain shit.  It's hard for me to believe Meso has attainted the amount of muscle mass he has by simply throwing iron around and taking in an average amount of protein and calories.  No cardio either?  LOL.  He's definitely got super genetics.  You ever seen what happens to a black bodybuilder when he comes off the drugs and doesn't eat clean?  They blow up like a fucking marshmellow man.  Blacks maybe prone to more muscle than whites through higher levels of testosterone etc. but they are also prone to getting VERY heavy and fat too. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 14, 2008, 01:13:35 AM
You can have all the dedication in the world but if your nutrition isn't spot on you're not going to gain shit.  It's hard for me to believe Meso has attainted the amount of muscle mass he has by simply throwing iron around and taking in an average amount of protein and calories.  No cardio either?  LOL.  He's definitely got super genetics.  You ever seen what happens to a black bodybuilder when he comes off the drugs and doesn't eat clean?  They blow up like a fucking marshmellow man.  Blacks maybe prone to more muscle than whites through higher levels of testosterone etc. but they are also prone to getting VERY heavy and fat too. 

Yes diet has a lot to do with it. Many blacks in Am has shitty diets, me included at one time. I could eat MCdonalds nite and day and never gain a pound, but i still had a six pack. People would get jealous me, because they saw this skinny dude who worked out, but for the life of me, I couldn't gain weight, that was until I upped my caloric intake with quality foods and heavier weights. But yet, still I was cut.

I believe that the reason why many of us blacks including me, have high blood pressure is not just due to diet, but stress, but also maybe due to our ancestors diet on Slave ships (or so the theory is) Supposedly our salt sensitivity could be due to prolonged periods of not having salt within our bodies. As i said that is a theory. And if you look at all the processed foods, look at the sodium content of them. Very fucking high, you almost can't find food that doesn't have sodium added to it in spades.
I saw this inmate the other day, dude was cut to shreds and he had full muscle bellies, and he was born in 1963, he could walk away with the Mr. Getbig trophy now, hell the fucker could own the shit for ever...if he didn't drink. Dude doesn't have money to pay for his  tickets (driving)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 14, 2008, 05:38:45 AM
You can have all the dedication in the world but if your nutrition isn't spot on you're not going to gain shit.  It's hard for me to believe Meso has attainted the amount of muscle mass he has by simply throwing iron around and taking in an average amount of protein and calories.  No cardio either?  LOL.  He's definitely got super genetics.  You ever seen what happens to a black bodybuilder when he comes off the drugs and doesn't eat clean?  They blow up like a fucking marshmellow man.  Blacks maybe prone to more muscle than whites through higher levels of testosterone etc. but they are also prone to getting VERY heavy and fat too. 

It may be hard to accept that the bodybuilding dogma most people accept as facts isn't true, but this just goes to show that you cannot believe everything you hear.  I've personally tried eating like meso and it's working great for me.  I'm eating no more than 100 g protein per day and 2-3 meals a day, and i'm still making gains in the weight room.  and i'm not getting fat.  however i do need to do cardio to get lean, but i don't have good genetics for getting lean.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CQ on July 14, 2008, 05:44:46 AM
hey cq, do you have a body like a female sprinter?

Not even close :'(

You can have all the dedication in the world but if your nutrition isn't spot on you're not going to gain shit.  It's hard for me to believe Meso has attainted the amount of muscle mass he has by simply throwing iron around and taking in an average amount of protein and calories. 

Sure it can be done, if your genetics are good and you train hard and consistently for years as Meso has it is eminently believable.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Option D on July 14, 2008, 06:19:07 AM
stop ASKING ME THIS SHIT ALREADY
YES HE IS TOO SKINNY TO BE HORMONIZED,,,HE GOT NO THICKNESS ,,SHOULDER ARE PATHETIC AND FRONT STANDING RELAXED HE DOESNT HAVE THE THICKNESS,,,NOW THAT DOESNT MEAN HE IS COMPLETELY NATURAL BECAUSE HIS INDIVIDUAL MUSCLES SHOW GOOD QUALITYYET IT CAN BE CHOEVED WITH TRAINING AND FOOD AND SOME IGF MAYBE  WHICH IS NATURAL CONSIDERED ,,
THE FELLA IS `190 WHEN HE IS TRULY 5% NOT EVEN A POUND MORE AND AT 5'11 THE GYS WITH THE BEST GENETICS WILL BE ABLE TO PULL A NOT SO IMPRESSIVE LOOK FROM FAR YET PRETTY IMPRESSIVE LOOK ON A CLOSE UP WHILE BEING NATURAL

THIS FELLA HASNT SEEN A TESTOSTERONE NEEDLE ,,MAYBE TRIED SOME ORALS ,,M1T OR TURINABOL MAYBE SOME IGF BUT NOT CONSISTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE BIG DIFF AND DEFENITELY HAS O THICKNESS WHEN IT COMES TO HIM STANDING NEXT TO GUYS ON HORMONES

SO YES THE GENERAL DEFINITION FOR THIS FELLA IS NATURAL,,THIS IS THE BEST YOU WILL LOOK NATURALLY IF YOU ARE THE GENETIC ELITE,,ITS OT IMPRESSIVE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IMPRESSIVE BUT VERY GOOD FOR NATURAL STATUS BECAUSE THIS FELLA REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT DURETIC IS AND WHAT TEST SHOTS IS ,,JUST A GUY THAT WORKS OUT AND LOOKS VERY GOOD WITH MINIMAL TO NONE USE OF ANY PRODUCT

AGAIN THIS IS THE MAX A BLACK GUY CAN LOOK LIKE NATURALLY BUT IT STILL DONT TOUCH 200 AT 4% ,,THIS FELLA ON STAGE IS 185 3-4% WHICH MAY WIN HIM LOCAL BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ANYTHING NATIONAL LEBVELS
GH15 APPROVED


this fools a hater


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 06:19:38 AM
Not even close :'(

Sure it can be done, if your genetics are good and you train hard and consistently for years as Meso has it is eminently believable.

It can be done.

Most people train wrong...fact

Your diet IMO is less important than your trianing.

excellent trianing with average diet will always get results...

average training with excellent diet...not so good results.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 06:26:48 AM
.. wsup goudy...
... people here have somewhat inflated my lifts....
I cant rep 160 on inclines yet... .. i rep the one 145's on inclines
.. and i use 160 on flat press.. since that the heaviest the gym i train i know i can do more though

.. 405 ive done for a single.... thats after doing 135 for 20..
 225 for  15 ..
315 for 10 to 12 ...


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6HGolBlcURw

130's today preexhausted...not a pb done 130sx5 before though i done more flat benchingh today that i done when i done 130sx5...plus i was on a strength cycle then


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 14, 2008, 08:52:14 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6HGolBlcURw

130's today preexhausted...not a pb done 130sx5 before though i done more flat benchingh today that i done when i done 130sx5...plus i was on a strength cycle then
damn good pressing goudy
thats what i like to see...
hard training
not a lot of people like dumbell presses because they are hard... and there are less bragging rights attached to it than barbell bench
...
for me when im doing 130's and up i always flip them back but have someone catch my elbows on the first rep... bring them up... then after that its all mine....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 14, 2008, 11:23:12 AM
It may be hard to accept that the bodybuilding dogma most people accept as facts isn't true, but this just goes to show that you cannot believe everything you hear.  I've personally tried eating like meso and it's working great for me.  I'm eating no more than 100 g protein per day and 2-3 meals a day, and i'm still making gains in the weight room.  and i'm not getting fat.  however i do need to do cardio to get lean, but i don't have good genetics for getting lean.

You know I've been starting to question this whole 6 times a day 300gs 4000 cals diet mantra in bodybuilding too this last year.  I don't think it's necessary.  But everybodybuilder I know eats like this. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 12:18:13 PM
damn good pressing goudy
thats what i like to see...
hard training
not a lot of people like dumbell presses because they are hard... and there are less bragging rights attached to it than barbell bench
...
for me when im doing 130's and up i always flip them back but have someone catch my elbows on the first rep... bring them up... then after that its all mine....


your summat to aim for cheers mate.
yes i always fire them back myself....also i can put them down quietly and dont need to drop them on the ground or slam them down...i dont know why people ever drop them...they are easy to sit up with

def less bragging rights with them a 150lb db press IMO is superb i mean awesome..for a cupla reps i mean


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 14, 2008, 01:34:34 PM
i know
but a lot of people dont like dumbell presses because they are hard
i remember when i first started finally doing them i had to start way low weight wise in comparision to what my bench was at the time.. but definetly my bench went up after i started doing dumbell presses
speakin of which its my dumbell workout tomorrow.. definetely looking foward to it
 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 01:38:55 PM
correct...i know tons whose bench goes up through db pressing...
i also had to satrt at liek 80bs when i was pressing relatively heavy barbell weight at the time
....i have back bis tomorro lol...really gonna fucking blast the bis...want them sore for days


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 14, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
hmm for my bis i find it exteremely hard for them to be get sore.. but they still grow like crazy....  and i hit them hard usually my end excercise is... 20 kg each side on the cambered bar... for 21's  like coleman does. on the unbelivable..
do you work arms once a week...?

i find i get better results when i work them on their own
what do you think?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 01:47:10 PM
hmm for my bis i find it exteremely hard for them to be get sore.. but they still grow like crazy....  and i hit them hard usually my end excercise is... 20 kg each side on the cambered bar... for 21's  like coleman does. on the unbelivable..
do you work arms once a week...?

i find i get better results when i work them on their own
what do you think?

i have maybe only done 40 arm workoust in my life...my bis dont get sore nemore wither tho still grow...my arms grow by not doing arms but grow more when i do them..i did do a split when i done shoulders arms before...grew like weeks tho i have added half an inch to my arms in past few months

soreness aint a measure of growth tho i like it sometimes..agree?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: haider on July 14, 2008, 01:52:07 PM
i have maybe only done 40 arm workoust in my life...my bis dont get sore nemore wither tho still grow...my arms grow by not doing arms but grow more when i do them..i did do a split when i done shoulders arms before...grew like weeks tho i have added half an inch to my arms in past few months

soreness aint a measure of growth tho i like it sometimes..agree?
how the fuck are u even able to put a number on the number of arm workouts? lol, good memory or what?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 14, 2008, 01:53:48 PM
Some strong mofos in this thread yet I never see them talking shit or being asses

Props to both you guys!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: haider on July 14, 2008, 01:54:52 PM
Some strong mofos in this thread yet I never see them talking shit or being asses

Props to both you guys!
how much do u bench?

don't say you don't do flats  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
how the fuck are u even able to put a number on the number of arm workouts? lol, good memory or what?

cos i have only trained them sparingly fo r small periods of time lol


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 14, 2008, 01:55:45 PM
Some strong mofos in this thread yet I never see them talking shit or being asses

Props to both you guys!

CJ where u from...ur famous...ur back shots were being talked about in my gym otehr day :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 14, 2008, 02:14:28 PM
i have maybe only done 40 arm workoust in my life...my bis dont get sore nemore wither tho still grow...my arms grow by not doing arms but grow more when i do them..i did do a split when i done shoulders arms before...grew like weeks tho i have added half an inch to my arms in past few months

soreness aint a measure of growth tho i like it sometimes..agree?

i find i get better results when i hit arms on their own because when i hot anything i hit it hard...
eg back...
deads up to 585
rows 315
dumbel rows..up to 180 depending on the gym
tbar rows... 8 plates sometimes 9
chins.. super set with pull ups 10 reps each side no rest
then pulldowns to the back... and to the front
after that ... i cant put ful effort into bis..
for one my grip starts to go
.. and i like soreness.. some people say it doesnt mean growth.. but i think...
it partially doesw.. if nothing it means you have broken down muscle tissue



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Parker on July 14, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
hmm for my bis i find it exteremely hard for them to be get sore.. but they still grow like crazy....  and i hit them hard usually my end excercise is... 20 kg each side on the cambered bar... for 21's  like coleman does. on the unbelivable..
do you work arms once a week...?

i find i get better results when i work them on their own
what do you think?

So you don't do bis and tris together. I find that i get the biggest pump like that...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 14, 2008, 04:05:27 PM
yeah i hit bi's and tris on a friday..

good pump... and give good quality muscle..
a quality arm is always better than a big smooth arm


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 14, 2008, 04:22:43 PM
i wil clarify it one more time! his physiqe is thin as in NOT THICK,,his individual upper body muscles ...arms chest are in very good shape genetically,,but this is the max he can take it naturally as in 200lb 7% ,,even this is very suspect because like one said on this thrad no 5'11 200lb press no 4 plates each side of the bar for reps unless been to the orals mainly

i take his word that he is natural but then again for me natural = igf ,,,some orals ,,basically experimenting with unkown pills = natural to me...obviously this fella is not a serious juicer and is not continiously juicing since when looking from far you can tell he is small and not thick,,he got the black genetics running well for arms and his chest is pretty good for black fellas,,

the final verdict and this is gh15 approved so no need askin no more is THAT THIS FELLA IS NATURAL IN TEMRS AND STANDARDS OF 2008,,the only thing he is consistant at is lifting ,,,rest of the things he wasnt consistent enough to be considered homonized and it shows aka no wheels ,,,average to sub average shoulders,,average back,,average to sub averge thickness,,the lack of  hormone use is noticable on the over all physiqe despite very good arms and good abdominal structure ,,all come to play only in zoom in pictures!

this physiqe is what gh15 consider natural and will place well in local competition as in 1-3 at 180-185 lb as a middle class
case clopsed
gh15 aproved july 2008


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 14, 2008, 04:32:22 PM
clearly GH doesn't know about the anabolic properties of a chicken roti and some mauby


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Epic_Monster on July 14, 2008, 04:34:01 PM
Case closed gh15 has spoken!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 15, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
i wil clarify it one more time! his physiqe is thin as in NOT THICK,,his individual upper body muscles ...arms chest are in very good shape genetically,,but this is the max he can take it naturally as in 200lb 7% ,,even this is very suspect because like one said on this thrad no 5'11 200lb press no 4 plates each side of the bar for reps unless been to the orals mainly

i take his word that he is natural but then again for me natural = igf ,,,some orals ,,basically experimenting with unkown pills = natural to me...obviously this fella is not a serious juicer and is not continiously juicing since when looking from far you can tell he is small and not thick,,he got the black genetics running well for arms and his chest is pretty good for black fellas,,

the final verdict and this is gh15 approved so no need askin no more is THAT THIS FELLA IS NATURAL IN TEMRS AND STANDARDS OF 2008,,the only thing he is consistant at is lifting ,,,rest of the things he wasnt consistent enough to be considered homonized and it shows aka no wheels ,,,average to sub average shoulders,,average back,,average to sub averge thickness,,the lack of  hormone use is noticable on the over all physiqe despite very good arms and good abdominal structure ,,all come to play only in zoom in pictures!

this physiqe is what gh15 consider natural and will place well in local competition as in 1-3 at 180-185 lb as a middle class
case clopsed
gh15 aproved july 2008

statements like these make me laugh....
the only pills to ever enter my mouth are..
seven seas cod liver oil
holland and barrats glucasomine
paracetamol
ibrufen..
so you realise how disrespectful it is to accuse someone of taking drugs...
...
and again i see the pics you see are 4 5 yrs old...
i am in no way thin... or small..
in real life as i stand..
ill soon drop new clips of me training
and for the record dont embelish i have never repped 405
i have... dont it for a single...
peace



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 15, 2008, 11:20:07 AM
statements like these make me laugh....
the only pills to ever enter my mouth are..
seven seas cod liver oil
holland and barrats glucasomine
paracetamol
ibrufen..
so you realise how disrespectful it is to accuse someone of taking drugs...
...
and again i see the pics you see are 4 5 yrs old...
i am in no way thin... or small..
in real life as i stand..
ill soon drop new clips of me training
and for the record dont embelish i have never repped 405
i have... dont it for a single...
peace



agred you said you done it once and now its repping 4 plates...same with pressing falat 160's soon it turned to inclines...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 15, 2008, 12:54:13 PM
 ;D ;D
i know some how my lifts got embelished so... gh15 can use it to build his case as to why I'm not natural...
in the not too distant futre i will start eppin 405..
i wonder what he will say ive taken then...
 :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 15, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
gh15 is jealous

He praises people like DW as being genetically gifted, but insults meso and praises him at the same time. lol. Says he's not thick, yet says he would place in a show.. This kinda shows his general attitude towards black people with good genetics for muscle mass. Whenever the issue is brought upon him he goes into a tyraid about Obama and insults naturally built black dudes. Kinda gives himself off as a jealous guy who hates naturals who strive or are already in that 185-190 range and push it everyday without the use of anabolics. 

Enough of this talk.. It's beating a dead horse


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: candidizzle on July 15, 2008, 01:53:54 PM
gh15 said you looked natural. he just said that there is also a possibilty that you had used some different kind of hormonal enhancements as well. thats fair.     

gh15 is comparing you to professional bodybuilders, and YES compared to professiona bodybuilders you are not thick, you are small, you shoulders suck...ect ect... "COMPARED TO PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS"...   



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 15, 2008, 02:05:14 PM
Professional bodybuilders suck penis to fund their drug addiction


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 16, 2008, 01:42:46 AM
gh15 said you looked natural. he just said that there is also a possibilty that you had used some different kind of hormonal enhancements as well. thats fair.     

gh15 is comparing you to professional bodybuilders, and YES compared to professiona bodybuilders you are not thick, you are small, you shoulders suck...ect ect... "COMPARED TO PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS"...   



its not the possibility,,this guy live and breath bodybuilding he is on bodybuilding boards,,i give him the benefit of the doubt that he is natural yet he still open his jamaican mouth and talk talk talk ,,

i said AS OF 2008 THIS IS WHAT CONSIDERED NATURAL ,,DIDNT SAY IT FROM JELOUSY BECAUSE HIS PHYSIQE IS AVERAGE AT BEST AMONG HORMNIZED FELLAS,,HE GOT GOOD ARMS AND GOOD CHEST ,,THEN AGAIN I WRITE THIS IN CAPITAL TO YU OUNDERSTAND

NO ONE ON PLANET EARTH LIFT 405 FOR REPS WITH OUT BEING TO THE HORMONES  AT 195LB 7% NO ONE! UNLESS THEY BEEN TO HORMONES,,MESOMORPH HAS NO THICNESSS WHAT SO EVER THATS WHY I GIVE HIM NATURAL YET ACCORDING TO THE LIFTS IF TRUE HE BEEN TO ORALS AND HE MOST LIKLEY AFRAID OF INJECTS SO DIDNT TRY

AGAIN HE DIDNT HAVE CONSISTENCY OR THE MONEY OR THE TYPE OF JOB TO ADMIT TO ANYTHING,,TO ME HE IS NATURAL BECAUSE I DONT CONSIDER THIS LEVEL AS HORMONIZED

THIS IS NOT SAID OUT OF JELOUSY I LOOKED LIKE HIM AT 17 WITH A LOT BETTER DELTS ALOT BETTER BACK AND A HELL OF A LOT BETTER WHEELS,,WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH IS HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY AND THE PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE OF LIFTS ,,

I USUALLY TEND TO LIKE BROTHERS SINCE I MAY BE ONE OF THEM ,,BUT IM ALSO GOD OF HORMONES ,,IM AM VERY VERY VERY KNWOLEDGABLE WITH A VERY LONG RECORD AS AN IFBB PROFESSIONAL WITH WINS IN THE PRO CIRCUIT,,I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NO ONE THAT I TRAINED WITH INCLUDING MYSELF PRESSED FOR REPS 405 NATURALLY AT 200LB 7%,,,I DO KNOW FEW 245 LB BLACK GUYS AT 13-15% THAT DONE IT AND STILL DO NATURALLY ,,,I KNOW HORMONIZED FELLAS WHO DO IT AT 185-190LB FOR 6 REPS WITH SPOTTER BUT THEY BEEN TO GH AND AAS IN GENERAL AND VERY FEMILIAR WITH IT ESPECIALLY TABLETS

MESOMORPH ,,YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM YORU OWN POSTINGS HOW REDICOULOUS YOU SOUND,,,ON GETBIG 99% OF THE LIFTERS ARE HORMONIZED,,,WE HAVE HERE THE WHOLE INDUSTRY MANY OF THEM JOIN SPECIFICALLY FOR GH15 BECAUSE THEY HEARD IM ON THIS SITE,,I GET 10S OF EMAILS A DAY FROM GUYS A LOT MORE BELLLESED THAN YOU GENETICALLY AND I STILL GAVE YOU NATURAL STATUS WHEN WE BOTH KNOW YOUR STATUS IS STINKY,,I STILL DO GIVE YU NATURAL FOR THE MERE FACT THAT IS YOU BEEN TO HORMONES AND COULDNT ACHIEVE THICKNESS OR WHEELS IT IS PRETTY SAD,,

REASONS GUYS WILL NOT ADMIT FOR HORMONE USE ARE AS FOLLOWS:
RELEGION
MARKETABILITY AKA WANTING TO DO FITNES MODELING SEE SAGI KALEV AND REST OF GANG ..SAGI IS OFCOURSE ADMITING BUT NEVER TO YOUR FACE
CAREER AND JOB RELATED PROBLEMS
EMBARESMENT OF A NOT SO PHENOMINAL RESPONSE TO HORMONES AND USUALLY NO WHEELS
THE NEED OF SELF REASSURANCE AND GIRL LOVE AKA GIRLS WANT TO BELIEVE THEY HAVE NATURAL IN THEIR HANDS ESPECIALLY GIRLS THAT ARE INTO GITNESS


AGAIN LET ME FINISH THIS BY SAYING THAT I BEEN THERE DONE THAT  IT IS CONSIDERED NATURAL AT THE LEVEL PRESENTED BEFORE ME ,,BUT 405 LBN FOR REPS NEVER EVER BEEN ACHIEVED BY NATURAL BODYBUILDER AND IF IT WS EVERE TO BE ACHIEVED THAT FELLA WILL NOT POST ON GETBIG SO OFTEN BUT RATHER GET HIRED BY A SUUPP COMPANY THAT SELL ORGANIC ALL NATURAL PRODUCTS AND THERE ARE FEW

NO ONE ON PLANER EARTH SIT NATURAL (BIG DIFF THAN CLEAN ) AND LIFT 405 FOR REPS  ON THE BENCH NOT FLAT AND NOT INCLINE AND NOT NOTHING AT THE STATUS OF 195LB AT 6-7% NO ONE I DONT CARE WHAT MESOMORPH SAYS I TRAIN WITH FELLAS WHO EAT HIM FOR LUNCH NATURALLY AND THEY COULD BARELY DO 375 FOR ONE REP AT THE STATUS MENTIONED AND THEY WERE A LOT BETTER GENETICS THAN HIM SINCE HE ONLY HAS THE GENETICS FOR ARMS ,,

its just the truth friends its just the turth ...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 16, 2008, 01:54:26 AM
GH15 what do you think your physique would have been like without steroids?

How strong were you before steroids.

Can it not be you are not genetically superior to meso?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 16, 2008, 02:13:19 AM
GH15 what do you think your physique would have been like without steroids?

How strong were you before steroids.

Can it not be you are not genetically superior to meso?

i looked a lot better naturallyu a lot more balanced ,,my arms were 17 inches naturally at age 16 but NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD A NATURAL AT 195LB 7% PRESS 405 FOR REPS ARE YOU GUYS NUTS? DID YOU LOSE SENSE OF REALITY ,,THE MOST TALENTED NATURAL I HAVE SEEN WAS PATRICK MUGAMBUA WHO AT AGE 22 YEAR OLD PRESSED 315LB FOR 5 REPS ,,BLACK GUY FROM AFRICA THAT LIVED IN TOKYO,,THAT FELLA WAS 180LB WHEN HE DID IT AT HIGH SINGLE DIGIT,,WHEN HE WAS DOWN TO 6-7% AND HE WAS! AT 170LB WITH MUSCLES 10 TIMES BETTER THAN MESOMORPH AND OVER ALL DEVELOPMENT FOR NATURAL ...HIS PRESS WENT DOWN TO  2 AND A HALF PLATES EACH SIDE OF THE BAR FOR 8  REPS WITH SPOTTER LAST 3 ,,

NO ONE I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE NO ONE!! PRESS 4 PLATES EACH SIDE OF BAR FOR REPS NATURALLY AS IN COMPLETELY NATURALLY AT 195-200 6-7%,,,NOT NATURALLY MAYBE WITH A SPOTTER 1  REPOR 2 IF GOT REALLY REALLY STRONG BONES BUT THEN AGAIN MESO IS BLACK ,,,THE STRONG GUYS WITH THE STRONG BONES ARE WHITE AND EUROPIAN FROM EASTERN EUROPE ASKA USSR NOT FROM JAMAICA

TRUST ME HIS LIFT ARE LIE AND IF TRUTH HE IS BEEN TO HORMONES

OH AND NATURALLY I GOT UP TO 315LB 10 REPS  INCLINE WITH SPOTTER ALL THE WAY NOT EVEN A LB MORE AND IM MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE STRONGEST IFBB PROS IF OT THE STRONGEST AFTER RON AT MY PRIME,,


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 16, 2008, 02:30:33 AM
gh15 which pro are you?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 16, 2008, 08:36:04 AM
gh15 you are stupid...
....
i bench 405 for a single i am natural i dnt need to take anything you did...
great for you......
you are a jelaous fool....
100% natural
19 inch arms 7%
get over it stop posting your long ass posts because it changes nothing.....
yu are under the illusion that because u are a pro supposedly it makes u some kind of authority... on who is capable of what
some are impressed
i am not
and no i dont care which one you are,,,
ive had semi pro's and pro's comment on my build so what u say is pointless i probably have better genes than you get over it... and if i ever did take anything id probably be better.. get over it...
itts not that serious
muscles were your life they arent mine...
there are other things to life than muscles...
so get over me and what u said my jamaican talk talk talk

i have a pro like you making multiple posts on a thread and im a skinny natural as you say...
now who is pathetic and running their mouth...
peace
time for my delt and ab workout
mes
 :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: XFACTOR on July 16, 2008, 08:38:57 AM
gh15 you are stupid...
....
i bench 405 for a single i am natural i dnt need to take anything you did...
great for you......
you are a jelaous fool....
100% natural
19 inch arms 7%
get over it stop posting your long ass posts because it changes nothing.....
yu are under the illusion that because u are a pro supposedly it makes u some kind of authority... on who is capable of what
some are impressed
i am not
and no i dont care which one you are,,,
ive had semi pro's and pro's comment on my build so what u say is pointless i probably have better genes than you get over it... and if i ever did take anything id probably be better.. get over it...
itts not that serious
muscles were your life they arent mine...
there are other things to life than muscles...
so get over me and what u said my jamaican talk talk talk

i have a pro like you making multiple posts on a thread and im a skinny natural as you say...
now who is pathetic and running their mouth...
peace
time for my delt and ab workout
mes
 :)

I seriously don't know why they doubt you dude.  Not like you weigh 250 and have big legs. You have some good arms and a good physique.  What's the big deal?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 16, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
i seriously dont know
but ima give pro gh15 something to really talk about when i take some recent pics
he's just mad because he took drugs before he reached his potential...
and because he reached a certain... level...
it pisses him off that someone with no diet no extra meals... no nothing...
can look decent too
you see a lot of pro bbers are completely narcissitic.. they actually believe they have some super genetics that no one else has but thats bullshit..a lot of people have awesome genetics but they just dont decide to walk around with tuppeerware eat 6 meals to 12 a day and take drugs...
know why becausethere are more important things in life than muscles.. ask mike mattazaro... flex wheeler.... don long and especially tom prince...
thats not to say i dislike pros because i that isnt true.. but some pros give the sport a bad name ...
now gh15 supposedly an pro bber (he wants everyone to be impressed and in awe as to who he is :-\ )
sees me a young man straight away as senior bber.... and older man than me who setting an example he starts accusing me of taking drugs... and that i'm a liar.... and im small etc bad shoulders ( ;D ;D ;D)etc yet he cant help to comment daily on me... a pro bber so engrossed with some skinny natural...
now imagine michael jordan accusing a young fan and basket baller and trying to put him like that.... telling him what is possible and what is not....
some sport....
 :-\ :-\
for gh15 again the stats
205   7%
19 inch arms 29 - 31 inch waiste
balanced build
and strong see my vids
natural no diet no extra meals...
everything i have ive built on hard hard and very hard training
deal with it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: XFACTOR on July 16, 2008, 11:22:35 AM

 :-\ :-\
for gh15 again the stats
205   7%
19 inch arms 29 - 31 inch waiste
balanced build
and strong see my vids
natural no diet no extra meals...
everything i have ive built on hard hard and very hard training
deal with it


GH15 for you not believe this guy is natural is crazy.  Look at his stats, he's not saying he has 20 inch arms or big legs.

I am surprised to see so many people that think this is not attainable natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 16, 2008, 12:20:34 PM
Many peoples progress are limited and negated by their own lack of belief and the negativity of others.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MisterMagoo on July 16, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
here's one reason i believe meso is natural: he doesn't say he's natural constantly, nor does he evade it when you ask him. he's not trying to convince anyone, just giving a "i'm natural, deal" attitude. that lends credibility to the claim.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bauce Major on July 16, 2008, 12:39:05 PM

now imagine michael jordan accusing a young fan and basket baller and trying to put him like that.... telling him what is possible and what is not....

basket baller?

lol

are you from england?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 16, 2008, 01:23:28 PM
i find i get better results when i hit arms on their own because when i hot anything i hit it hard...
eg back...
deads up to 585
rows 315
dumbel rows..up to 180 depending on the gym
tbar rows... 8 plates sometimes 9chins.. super set with pull ups 10 reps each side no rest
then pulldowns to the back... and to the front
after that ... i cant put ful effort into bis..
for one my grip starts to go
.. and i like soreness.. some people say it doesnt mean growth.. but i think...
it partially doesw.. if nothing it means you have broken down muscle tissue


Bullshit, sorry bro you ain't no Ronnie Coleman. Get Real Douchebag!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 16, 2008, 01:25:40 PM
Bullshit, sorry bro you ain't no Ronnie Coleman. Get Real Douchebag!!
ok  8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 16, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
thx for the shout out magoo...
ive watched you vid i can tell you love to train...
and love to challenge yourself
i'm like that too keeps things fresh 8)


and yes bauce i live in london right now
 :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Overload on July 16, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
here's one reason i believe meso is natural: he doesn't say he's natural constantly, nor does he evade it when you ask him. he's not trying to convince anyone, just giving a "i'm natural, deal" attitude. that lends credibility to the claim.

Exactly...

"He who screams the loudest..."

Meso is natural in my eyes...he has the right mindset and attitude to push himself every day, most men don't have this quality.

Keep up the good work Meso.

8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 16, 2008, 04:19:35 PM
thx for the shout out overlord
much respect
mes 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 16, 2008, 04:21:53 PM
i looked a lot better naturallyu a lot more balanced ,,my arms were 17 inches naturally at age 16 but NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD A NATURAL AT 195LB 7% PRESS 405 FOR REPS ARE YOU GUYS NUTS?


Fucking moron, many natural powerlifters under 200 can rep 405 for a few raw.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Brutal_1 on July 16, 2008, 04:32:12 PM

Fucking moron, many natural powerlifters under 200 can rep 405 for a few raw.

watch it there


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 16, 2008, 06:43:17 PM

Fucking moron, many natural powerlifters under 200 can rep 405 for a few raw.
You do realize you're on a site populated by incredibly inferior specimens, both physically and mentally. They also have an extremely limited belief system and they require a so-called "guru" such as their esteemed GH15 to provide them with a comfortable sense of reality...one which proclaims that anyone who is over 160 pounds cut is on massive amounts of anabolic steroids. This serves to appease their gnawing pain of the realization that they are unable to achieve the slightest physical improvement without ingesting large doses of androgens.  This Mesomorph guy is an assault on their pathetic limited belief system, similar to being unplugged from the Matrix and realizing your whole life is an illusion. Therefore to protect their delicate grasp on their pathetically limited sense of reality, they have no choice but to believe Mesomorph and anyone remotely as developed as him must be on Steroids. Sad.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: haider on July 16, 2008, 06:46:22 PM

Fucking moron, many natural powerlifters under 200 can rep 405 for a few raw.
proof?
and whats wrong with being married to a muslim? I want to know cuz I'll probably end up with one  :D(damn).


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: warrior_code on July 16, 2008, 08:13:27 PM
here's one reason i believe meso is natural: he doesn't say he's natural constantly, nor does he evade it when you ask him. he's not trying to convince anyone, just giving a "i'm natural, deal" attitude. that lends credibility to the claim.

that is what probably makes it hard for some to believe that he is indeed natural.  Just some guy who trains, doesn't give a shit and keeps to himself, better then the most hardcore naturals(ex:layne).   Seems like a cool guy.   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 16, 2008, 08:19:44 PM
and whats wrong with being married to a muslim? I want to know cuz I'll probably end up with one  :D(damn).


What's good about it?  ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 16, 2008, 08:20:45 PM

What's good about it?  ::)
subserviant bitchs'


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 16, 2008, 08:21:32 PM
subserviant bitchs'

You as a male gotta convert to Islam to marry a muslim woman. You'd be better off NOT marrying her.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 17, 2008, 03:17:46 AM
i seriously dont know
but ima give pro gh15 something to really talk about when i take some recent pics
he's just mad because he took drugs before he reached his potential...
and because he reached a certain... level...
it pisses him off that someone with no diet no extra meals... no nothing...
can look decent too
you see a lot of pro bbers are completely narcissitic.. they actually believe they have some super genetics that no one else has but thats bullshit..a lot of people have awesome genetics but they just dont decide to walk around with tuppeerware eat 6 meals to 12 a day and take drugs...
know why becausethere are more important things in life than muscles.. ask mike mattazaro... flex wheeler.... don long and especially tom prince...
thats not to say i dislike pros because i that isnt true.. but some pros give the sport a bad name ...
now gh15 supposedly an pro bber (he wants everyone to be impressed and in awe as to who he is :-\ )
sees me a young man straight away as senior bber.... and older man than me who setting an example he starts accusing me of taking drugs... and that i'm a liar.... and im small etc bad shoulders ( ;D ;D ;D)etc yet he cant help to comment daily on me... a pro bber so engrossed with some skinny natural...
now imagine michael jordan accusing a young fan and basket baller and trying to put him like that.... telling him what is possible and what is not....
some sport....
 :-\ :-\
for gh15 again the stats
205   7%
19 inch arms 29 - 31 inch waiste
balanced build
and strong see my vids
natural no diet no extra meals...
everything i have ive built on hard hard and very hard training
deal with it


the fat you sit here all day long waiting for an answer,,
the fact you know computers very well including the much respect combo ..2 words known for internet hormone buyers,,the fact you claim to 405lb for reps as natural when in reality we both know that if you ever even lifted the 405 in the air..and held it in the air at 200lb 7% ... you been on orals,,the fact that yuo know bodybuilding so well including the industry and personas and athletes enough to know what we do or dont do,,, the fact you have EXTEREMLY LOW SELF ESTEEM and need a boost up for ego,,the fact you have a religious backround,,,the fact you are working in a job that cantr and wont allow drug intake although hormones are no drugs but still,,the fact you claim to not know anything about supplemtns and pro hormones ,,,the fact you claim to eat shit and hold 200lb at one week 5% and one week 7%,,the fact you put movies on getbig,,,the fact you seek approval and admiration ,,,the fact you look and want a fitness model contract somehow,,,the fact you live in england where gen xxl is a core live very important entity between the years 2003-2007,,, the fact hormones are still illegal for use in the uk,,the fact that your development is lackin big time !,,the fact that you actually sit here and blub blub and then blub some more insted of shutting up and say ok..you think im on hormones whatever....

all those facts are a silence admitance to the use of hormoens ,,gh15 is posiitive you used orals ,,it has nothing to do with anything but the truth ,,,gh15 had time and was sent most of the pictures of you presented on the getbig board,,gh15 find your development lackin in any aspect beside arms chest and abdominals,,no wheels! average to sub averagwe shoulders period! and average back,,your physiqe is not symetric and not proprtionate ,,yes you can do fitness modeling but fitness modeling is no competetive bodybuilding who win shows,,in some cases yes in some cases no ,,in yoru case its a no

as gh15 said all the above points to the use of hormones at one time or another during your bodybuilding endevour,,gh15 is positive in the use of orals and positive you did not use injects,,the use was not consistent and you did not use growth hormone,,yuo are considered natural when it comes to bodybuilding as of 2008 ,,
neveer the less you are nothing more than another wanna be bodybuilder!

period case closed,,no pictures you post here or videos can change gh15 mind or anyione who trurly know the game and knows the sport!,,the only thing videos can do is establish and upbring your already low self esteem that neeed a shout out ..and ill give you one! good job mesomorph you look good!

gh15 approved
didnt wanna do it to you but you asked for it,,sometimes gh15 need to be cruel when truth is at risk


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 03:28:16 AM
It's so obvious that this guy is not a lifetime natural. I can't believe that anyone is still buying the all natural bullcrap.

GH15 is right, the guy has clearly experimented with a few things. It's fucking obvious. When people give it all the '1000% natural' and claim to not know what prohormones are - when working out for years and being on the forums for 4 years - then you can tell that they are covering.

As a lifetime natural he is fucking superman. Kills all the pre-steroid era dudes.

As someone who has tried a few things he is a nobody, small, bad delts, shitty legs and just another gym nothing.

 no wonder he lies about what he's tried. he probably feels it did nothing and he was a crap responder so why should he admit to it and look like a nobody?

I'd also like to know what 'banking job' this meso guy does that stops him trying to take his physique to the next level if it truly were all natural and he had such staggering strength. His spelling and punctuation is reminiscent of a retarded child. If this guy is in banking then no wonder the global economy is so fucked ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 17, 2008, 05:21:41 AM
I doubted him and called him out for a single reason : he insults many intelligent folks' common sense. He lies and noone likes a liar.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: kyomu on July 17, 2008, 06:06:37 AM
I doubted him and called him out for a single reason : he insults many intelligent folks' common sense. He lies and noone likes a liar.
Sevas, You have never seen a genetic freak who hasnt lift weight and look like weight lifter or who do sports like swimming and develop big muscle?
Of course, i am not 100% sure about him. But since i saw several genetic monster so...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: haider on July 17, 2008, 06:27:36 AM

What's good about it?  ::)
same religion, likely culture also, values, etc  ;D


So you're tellin me goatboys a muzzy?  :o


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 17, 2008, 06:33:44 AM
I agree, Islam sucks.


So you're tellin me goatboys a muzzy?  :o

Fixed.

G o t h b o y s house is an AQ base.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 17, 2008, 06:35:47 AM
Sevas, You have never seen a genetic freak who hasnt lift weight and look like weight lifter or who do sports like swimming and develop big muscle?
Of course, i am not 100% sure about him. But since i saw several genetic monster so...
I have played sports growing up and been lifting for a few years. I have seen plenty of genetic freaks but since I've seen my share in a few disciplines....I'm certain he is lieing.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 17, 2008, 06:54:41 AM
People are more knowledgeable that they were about training now than pre steroid...and its the training thats more important than diet.

gh15...you sed naturally you wer ebetter than meso...so why cant he be natural?

gh it seems like jealousy


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: affy on July 17, 2008, 06:57:54 AM
35 pages of debating on whether or not a dude sticks a needle in his ass

rofl this is a new getbig low


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 07:01:49 AM
35 pages of debating on whether or not a dude sticks a needle in his ass



Er..wrong.  People aren't all saying he sticks/stuck a needle in his booty, what they are questioning is his lies and bullshit of being '1000% percent' lifetime natural.

You should read the fucking thread


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: JohnnyVegas on July 17, 2008, 07:04:45 AM
Er..wrong.  People aren't all saying he sticks/stuck a needle in his booty, what they are questioning is his lies and bullshit of being '1000% percent' lifetime natural.

You should read the fucking thread

You need to sit back and STFU for once  8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 07:24:32 AM
You need to sit back and STFU for once  8)

You need to stop being a coward and post the pic of your claimed 20.5 inch natural arms that you've promised to for 3 months.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 17, 2008, 08:52:53 AM
35 pages of debating on whether or not a dude sticks a needle in his ass

rofl this is a new getbig low

ha ha exactly and one from a supposed pro bodybuilder
who insists a 200lb skinny guy is natural... brutal self esteem issues

thatsnks for the attention pro bber gh15
nothing you can say can change the fact im natural and you keep writing paragraphs trying to convince yourself why i am not
imajine retired pro basket "balla" michael jordan doin that
im natural 100% and you hate it i an only do fitness modelling yet you are obsessed me a nobody has you a pro bber obsessing the fact is.. if im as as small and pathetic as u say you wouldnt be posting on this thread... you said u were better naturally ( ha note insecurity)
so why is it so hard to belive im natural

you gotta love it...
 ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: closeline on July 17, 2008, 08:57:20 AM


OH AND NATURALLY I GOT UP TO 315LB 10 REPS  INCLINE WITH SPOTTER ALL THE WAY NOT EVEN A LB MORE AND IM MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE STRONGEST IFBB PROS IF OT THE STRONGEST AFTER RON AT MY PRIME,,

have you ever tried 200lb dumbell shoulder press ?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CT_Muscle on July 17, 2008, 08:57:39 AM
ha ha exactly and one from a supposed pro bodybuilder
who insists a 200lb skinny guy is natural... brutal self esteem issues

thatsnks for the attention pro bber gh15
nothing you can say can change the fact im natural and you keep writing paragraphs trying to convince yourself why i am not
imajine retired pro basket "balla" michael jordan doin that
im natural 100% and you hate it i an only do fitness modelling yet you are obsessed me a nobody has you a pro bber obsessing the fact is.. if im as as small and pathetic as u say you wouldnt be posting on this thread... you said u were better naturally ( ha note insecurity)
so why is it so hard to belive im natural

you gotta love it...
 ;D




hahahhaa this guy is great


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 17, 2008, 09:06:21 AM
People are more knowledgeable that they were about training now than pre steroid...and its the training thats more important than diet.

gh15...you sed naturally you wer ebetter than meso...so why cant he be natural?

gh it seems like jealousy
,omumental jealousy ...
he is so jelous most of his posts are written from sheer emotion...
look at the logic he has inclined 315 for 10.... NATURALLY (notice how he is always trying to compare big sign of inferiority)
I cant incline 315 for 10... i dont usually do incline barbell presses hurt my shoulders but i dont think i could do 10..maybe 7
But because i press 405  flat for a single.... I cant be natural..
 ??? ???
so basically the natural status of any lifter is measured on gh15 template...of what a natural should or should not be able to do

either this guy is smoking crack
or he is a blithering idiot
 :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 17, 2008, 09:13:01 AM
What is this great banking job you do that means you don't want to pursue a career using your physique - given that you're the greatest lifetime natural of all time and spell and punctuate about as well as a mentally defective child?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 17, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
this thread has truly been entertaining
...
but it serves to further illustrate one of the principles i live by which is
don't let anyone tell you what you can or cant be....
potential is what you make of it.
mes 8)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 17, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
this thread has truly been entertaining
...
but it serves to further illustrate one of the principles i live by which is
don't let anyone tell you what you can or cant be....
potential is what you make of it.
mes 8)

get over yourself. you are annoying as shit!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 17, 2008, 12:30:43 PM
this thread has truly been entertaining
...
but it serves to further illustrate one of the principles i live by which is
don't let anyone tell you what you can or cant be....
potential is what you make of it.
mes 8)

Hahahahahahaha liar


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 17, 2008, 12:45:00 PM
I saw a BBoy street performer who looked to be teens or twenties (NYC) that blew Meso out of the water.  Absolutely no legs but upperbody was herculean.  He looked really poor (tattered clothes) so I was guessing natty but it really was hard to believe.  He was also African American.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on July 17, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
I saw a BBoy street performer who looked to be teens or twenties (NYC) that blew Meso out of the water.  Absolutely no legs but upperbody was herculean.  He looked really poor (tattered clothes) so I was guessing natty but it really was hard to believe.  He was also African American.

Cue ten losers that will say your street clown is on a 3 grams a week.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 17, 2008, 01:28:34 PM
yep...
once you are in good condition
then you must be on something  :-\
what message are we sending out to young kids :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: shiftedShapes on July 17, 2008, 01:58:37 PM
Cue ten losers that will say your street clown is on a 3 grams a week.

makes me wonder what a guy like that would look like WITH juice.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: warrior_code on July 17, 2008, 06:23:21 PM
yep...
once you are in good condition
then you must be on something  :-\
what message are we sending out to young kids :-\

If GH15 is correct in his assessment(I don't agree nor disagree with him, I simply don't care) then we are sending out the message of reality.   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MRMD2003 on July 17, 2008, 06:54:18 PM
He's natural !!! Blessed with good genetics !


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 17, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
He's natural !!! Blessed with good genetics !

Blessed?  LOL.  I love when people use that term. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 17, 2008, 11:23:53 PM
If GH15 is correct in his assessment(I don't agree nor disagree with him, I simply don't care) then we are sending out the message of reality.   
wrong...  your answer suggests u do agree with him
because he is 100 wrong... we are sending them a message of laziness.... and that taking drugs is what will obtain you a good lean build.. and of jealousy
he is offering and allegation... his opinion he has no proof
i am telling the truth...
bear in mind he said he inclined 315 for 10 when he was natural?
who says who can do what or look like what to be natural
as sure as night follows day everything i have said is true.
in the past whenever ive said something it was all bull shit liar etcetc
then i post a clip and prove my claim  my track record speaks for it self...
at the end of the day ive been natural all my life which i guarantee is longer than gh15 has been natural
anyway this is beating a dead horse...
its simple u either believe or not  :-\



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: KillerMonk on July 18, 2008, 01:06:57 AM
Good Genetics, I do not understand the hate ???


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 02:56:22 AM
wrong...  your answer suggests u do agree with him
because he is 100 wrong... we are sending them a message of laziness.... and that taking drugs is what will obtain you a good lean build.. and of jealousy
he is offering and allegation... his opinion he has no proof
i am telling the truth...
bear in mind he said he inclined 315 for 10 when he was natural?
who says who can do what or look like what to be natural
as sure as night follows day everything i have said is true.
in the past whenever ive said something it was all bull shit liar etcetc
then i post a clip and prove my claim  my track record speaks for it self...
at the end of the day ive been natural all my life which i guarantee is longer than gh15 has been natural
anyway this is beating a dead horse...
its simple u either believe or not  :-\



So you've never once been tempted to try steroids?  Never been tempted to try cutting drugs?  Why don't you post some before pictures of yourself like when you were a teenager or 18 or 21 years old.  You can't possibly tell us you've had abs like that since you were a kid.  LOL.  What were you benching at 18 years old? 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 03:07:56 AM
So you've never once been tempted to try steroids?  Never been tempted to try cutting drugs?  Why don't you post some before pictures of yourself like when you were a teenager or 18 or 21 years old.  You can't possibly tell us you've had abs like that since you were a kid.  LOL.  What were you benching at 18 years old? 

  You must understand that this liar tried to claim that he didn't even know what pro-hormones are. This guy who follows bodybuilding, spends 4 years on getbig, lives in the gym benching 405lbs and pressing the 160s. No way do you train as long as he has and get asked all sorts of questions and not even have heard of pro-hormones.

 If he lies he is the greatest natural of all time and gets a 36 page thread all about him. If he tells the truth then he's just another gym nobody who has tried a few things and has shitty legs, shit shoulders and small size.

 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WillGrant on July 18, 2008, 03:38:16 AM
I think hes natty..great genetics is all it takes to acheive a certain look , add a bodybuilding type routine and Bammmm you have a mesmorph78 ...

Ive trained with many pacific island guys over the years and these guys are in this perfect bodybuilding gene pool also.

I worked with a rarotongan guy who had these core movements,bench,chins,power cleans,bbel curls and leg exstensions,he did that 3 times a week and looked like serge nubret , I shit you not..his diet was fresh fruit,and fish..

He had heard about steroids but he thought thats what I was taking when he saw me drinking a protein drink so a very sheltered life he had led.

He then got a taste for western food and pussy and the last i saw of him he looked like a pile of horse shit  ;D

GH15..God of shit mate..genetics rule this game,end of fucking story..Ive seen it with my own eyes,freaks of nature and they wouldnt know the difference from a steroid to a hemaroid , so your theroy is all getbig legend son not real life..

mesmorph78 you look great bro..you are very lucky to have been blessed with genetics that suit bodybuilding..props to you mate.  ;)



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 07:34:49 AM
HAHAHAHAHA Funny how everyone who swings from this guys nuts knows these mysterious black naturals who all look so much better than meso78 ::) ::)

post some pics

and gh15 knows more about bodybuilding than most of you ,combined, ever will.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 08:03:59 AM
I peronsally know 1 black person. Thoiugh i know many with awesome genetics.

19year old in my gym benches 396lbs paused with a pause easily. I seen him with my own eyes after 300lbs 5x5 paused do 374lbs with a pause so easily. Drug free


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 08:07:19 AM
After doing more benching than i done last day easier preexhaused i pressed the 130lbers for 5reps.

I know it doesnt look like it but i could have done 6. I kinda stopped pushing the 5th cos got lazy as was last rep.

Then did 120lbsx8, 110sx11 Nothing spectacular though im pleased. Overall had an amazing day in gym lol


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 09:19:46 AM
This should work now...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AljskL8sDJw


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Knives on July 18, 2008, 10:12:27 AM
do you usually incline bench at such a low angle?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 10:27:49 AM
do you usually incline bench at such a low angle?

yes, although i have only been incling for a few months.

i find tooo high is all shoulders and the relatively low angle hits teh chest perfectly


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
So you've never once been tempted to try steroids?  Never been tempted to try cutting drugs?  Why don't you post some before pictures of yourself like when you were a teenager or 18 or 21 years old.  You can't possibly tell us you've had abs like that since you were a kid.  LOL.  What were you benching at 18 years old? 
never been tempted ever.... like i say there are more important things in life that big muscles.. at 18 i wasnt training... started training in a gym about 21 or so i had abs since i was very young...was lean alsways have been .. i didnt even know abs were a big deal till a girl from england stayed at my dads guest house in jamaica and she was like WOW...
 but no ive never been tempted im content with being natural.. ive seen guys on steroids huge then they come off tiny.... weak... also ive seen how it messes with their mind...
and lastly i dont think i need it....
if your not a professional bodybuilder why take drugs... mess u your organs... just to looked jacked...
???
not me..
im not against peolple taking steroids... or whatever but for me its a lose lose... game
look at nasser... wheeler... prince... don long....
thats my opinion anyway


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 11:59:22 AM
drugs are for mugs


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 12:01:30 PM
good lifts goudy....

.. get someone to bring ur elbows up on the first rep ..and you could do 2 rxra reps... very good pressing


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
good lifts goudy....

.. get someone to bring ur elbows up on the first rep ..and you could do 2 rxra reps... very good pressing

Cheers buddy, yea i guess the first rep is always so tough lol fresh i would think i could get 8 reps.

Feeling the good sore start now...nice feeling


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
  You must understand that this liar tried to claim that he didn't even know what pro-hormones are. This guy who follows bodybuilding, spends 4 years on getbig, lives in the gym benching 405lbs and pressing the 160s. No way do you train as long as he has and get asked all sorts of questions and not even have heard of pro-hormones.

 If he lies he is the greatest natural of all time and gets a 36 page thread all about him. If he tells the truth then he's just another gym nobody who has tried a few things and has shitty legs, shit shoulders and small size.

 
mr 23....
who made this thread did i ask anyone to make a thread this was 6 pages long before i found it
...
my delts are one of my best body part far from shitty your looking at 5 yr old pics...

shitty legs no

shitty calves yes

but.. here is a vid from the training forum i posted it about a yearago...... when i was measuring my arms
Check out my shitty small delts

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 12:11:15 PM
yup i do have shitty delts
can you recommend a routine for me
sweet muscles
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 12:12:27 PM
Holy shit looking great meso.

BTW any non americans can confirm this...Pro Hormones in only a term i heard on getbig and american sites.

It is not used at ll in Ireland at all. I doubt the UK also


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 12:19:47 PM
yup i do have shitty delts
can you recommend a routine for me
sweet muscles
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)



HAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Natural as French kissing your grandmother. Admit it dude, you're a liar. You tried some stuff and ain't no '1000% natural' ::)

 Like I said, keep saying you're natural and you're the greatest of all time - you kill the likes of Grimek, Eiferman, Reeves, Ross. Tell the truth and you're nothing but a guy who took some stuff and has good arms, no legs and mediocre delts.

 Still waiting to hear about this great 'banking job' that stops you using your greatest ever natural physique as a career HAHAHAHHHA Seriously, that house looks like it's in a housing project  ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 18, 2008, 01:58:13 PM

HAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Natural as French kissing your grandmother. Admit it dude, you're a liar. You tried some stuff and ain't no '1000% natural' ::)

 Like I said, keep saying you're natural and you're the greatest of all time - you kill the likes of Grimek, Eiferman, Reeves, Ross. Tell the truth and you're nothing but a guy who took some stuff and has good arms, no legs and mediocre delts.

 Still waiting to hear about this great 'banking job' that stops you using your greatest ever natural physique as a career HAHAHAHHHA Seriously, that house looks like it's in a housing project  ;D


You call those delts mediocre??

He looks awesome  :o


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:14:17 PM

HAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Natural as French kissing your grandmother. Admit it dude, you're a liar. You tried some stuff and ain't no '1000% natural' ::)

 Like I said, keep saying you're natural and you're the greatest of all time - you kill the likes of Grimek, Eiferman, Reeves, Ross. Tell the truth and you're nothing but a guy who took some stuff and has good arms, no legs and mediocre delts.

 Still waiting to hear about this great 'banking job' that stops you using your greatest ever natural physique as a career HAHAHAHHHA Seriously, that house looks like it's in a housing project  ;D

who acxtually want to be  a bbuilder anyway?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Bauce Major on July 18, 2008, 02:22:13 PM
Did I read that you T-Bar row 9 plates?

Damn, I remember reading phil heath was exhausted using 5 plates and he's roided up like a cow.

If you're not taking anything, you're the strongest man in the world.

Salute.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 18, 2008, 02:23:44 PM
Did I read that you T-Bar row 9 plates?

Damn, I remember reading phil heath was exhausted using 5 plates and he's roided up like a cow.

If you're not taking anything, you're the strongest man in the world.

Salute.
meso is a fuckin liar, 9 plates my ass!!


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 02:27:29 PM
Yep. Meso78 is without doubt the greatest '1000%' natural in the history of mankind. Strong as an ox and looking better than any other natural bodybuilder...ever  :o  :o

He doesn't want to pursue a career with his remarkable physique that defies the rules of human physiology. The kid just eats junk and what mom makes. Never even heard of pro-hormones despite being on the boards for 4 years and lifting insane amounts of iron. Clearly this banking job utilizes his amazing spelling and punctuation skills and pays for that luxury apartment ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:38:23 PM
i have repped 350lbs plus before

not great form but still


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 18, 2008, 02:40:43 PM


BTW any non americans can confirm this...Pro Hormones in only a term i heard on getbig and american sites.

It is not used at ll in Ireland at all. I doubt the UK also
An example

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/587/epistane

http://cheap-supplements.co.uk/giant-nutrition-sts646-mestanolone-p-1238.html


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: XFACTOR on July 18, 2008, 02:42:28 PM
This should work now...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AljskL8sDJw

What is so great about this?  Am I missing something?  Are you handicapped or something?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
An example

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/587/epistane

http://cheap-supplements.co.uk/giant-nutrition-sts646-mestanolone-p-1238.html

ah i get you now. I understand however i have never sene that product. They arent known to my knowledge as pro hormones...however that is just me.

You are correct.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:44:11 PM
What is so great about this?  Am I missing something?  Are you handicapped or something?

I am 19yrs old and 170lbs


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 02:45:46 PM
An example

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/587/epistane

http://cheap-supplements.co.uk/giant-nutrition-sts646-mestanolone-p-1238.html

He's clutching at straws. The fact is that you don't spend 4 yrs on getbig and bb.com , bench 405 and press the 160s without having ever heard of pro-hormones. People will ask someone at this guy's level of development if he used/uses AAS or PHs. Fact.

Btw, go to google UK and type in 'pro-hormones'. I don't get why anyone would be dumb enough to assume that pro-hormones only exist in the US. In fact, many ones banned by the FDA are available there ::)



 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:48:09 PM
He's clutching at straws. The fact is that you don't spend 4 yrs on getbig and bb.com , bench 405 and press the 160s without having ever heard of pro-hormones. People will ask someone at this guy's level of development if he used/uses AAS or PHs. Fact.

Btw, go to google UK and type in 'pro-hormones'. I don't get why anyone would be dumb enough to assume that pro-hormones only exist in the US. In fact, many ones banned by the FDA are available there ::)



 

No not that they exist...its a term no one uses to my knowledge.

People here call it, juice, gear, steroids.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 02:49:49 PM
No not that they exist...its a term no one uses to my knowledge.

People here call it, juice, gear, steroids.

Bullshit. People call pro-hormones 'pro-hormones'.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 18, 2008, 02:50:24 PM
Bullshit. People call pro-hormones 'pro-hormones'.


Not in Europe, it's not well known here.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: XFACTOR on July 18, 2008, 02:53:35 PM
I am 19yrs old and 170lbs

 You look older.  And bigger than 170.  Ah, cool, I guess.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 02:55:30 PM

Not in Europe, it's not well known here.

Pro-hormones are widely used in Europe - in fact, MORE are available there than here. They are as well known in European bodybuilding as they are in American.
Anyway, even if they weren't, it wouldn't change the fact that no one could possibly spend 4 years on here and bb.com and to have never heard them mentioned.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 02:56:27 PM
Bullshit. People call pro-hormones 'pro-hormones'.

not bullshitting of nething. being serious. they are not well known here.

im lying xfactor...im 22 and bigger...just was a pb for me pre exhausted


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 18, 2008, 02:56:48 PM
No not that they exist...its a term no one uses to my knowledge.

People here call it, juice, gear, steroids.

Was it you that posted some pics of a guy who made great strength and muscle gains in a short period of time? He competed in powerlifting I think. That guy was very familiar with these supplements I bet.  :D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 02:58:26 PM


im lying xfactor..


Don't worry, you're not the only one. Lotta bullshit in this thread.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 18, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
not bullshitting of nething. being serious. they are not well known here.

You mean the term pro-hormones isn't used or the supplements aren't used? It's impossible that they aren't very popular since they are extremely potent and blow any true nutritional supplements away. You don't need to advertise it, word of mouth is enough.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 03:00:18 PM
Pro-hormones are widely used in Europe - in fact, MORE are available there than here. They are as well known in European bodybuilding as they are in American.
Anyway, even if they weren't, it wouldn't change the fact that no one could possibly spend 4 years on here and bb.com and to have never heard them mentioned.

honest to god in my gym out of 200 members i would say that some could guess what they were by their name tho not many.

In ireland there are v little supp shops and little range.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 03:00:59 PM
Was it you that posted some pics of a guy who made great strength and muscle gains in a short period of time? He competed in powerlifting I think. That guy was very familiar with these supplements I bet.  :D

his drug testing certificate says otherwise :)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 18, 2008, 03:05:09 PM
his drug testing certificate says otherwise :)

Of course. He was far from lifetime natural though.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 18, 2008, 03:09:04 PM
Of course. He was far from lifetime natural though.


Brutal assumption.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 03:11:10 PM
Of course. He was far from lifetime natural though.

LOL he had only been training a year...so he was


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 03:13:54 PM

HAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Natural as French kissing your grandmother. Admit it dude, you're a liar. You tried some stuff and ain't no '1000% natural' ::)

 Like I said, keep saying you're natural and you're the greatest of all time - you kill the likes of Grimek, Eiferman, Reeves, Ross. Tell the truth and you're nothing but a guy who took some stuff and has good arms, no legs and mediocre delts.

 Still waiting to hear about this great 'banking job' that stops you using your greatest ever natural physique as a career HAHAHAHHHA Seriously, that house looks like it's in a housing project  ;D


dude im natural.. how many times do i have to say it....
i swear on my mothers life ive never taken anything.... I have no reason to lie.... after 36 pages if u cant realise im actually telling the truth... then you can assume i am not thats fine.. but only i  know the truth and the truth is as i have said i am natural and will die natural

Im not gonna answer that question again its getting kind of redundant repeating myself
mes


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
my buddy
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XtTd6Rn0nAk


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
by the way thats not my house thats my friends house i go there for him to take things off my cam corder and convert it...
but what does the sate of his house have to do with anything...
...
 :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 18, 2008, 03:15:46 PM

Brutal assumption.

Do you remember the guy, the lifts he had and how he looked?

he had only been training a year

Exactly.  ;)


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: WillGrant on July 18, 2008, 03:16:08 PM
HAHAHAHAHA Funny how everyone who swings from this guys nuts knows these mysterious black naturals who all look so much better than meso78 ::) ::)

post some pics

and gh15 knows more about bodybuilding than most of you ,combined, ever will.
OK Squad  ::)
You need to get out of that trailer park more than you do...Im not going up to some random pacific islander and start snapping pics you drongo  ::)

GH15 Is an idiot , hope this helps  :-*


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 18, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
Do you remember the guy, the lifts he had and how he looked?



Absolutely, he's been around here for years, and he's basically improved a little bit year by year. VERY consistent guy. Debussey was around when he first registred and posted his pics.

Debussey has also seen all his lifting videos.

Debussey believes that Meso = natural.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 18, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
Do you remember the guy, the lifts he had and how he looked?

Exactly.  ;)

dude was drug tested by the idfpa...i dont know if u know but they actually watch the piss come out of your dick then seal it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 03:22:23 PM

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)

Dude, you're the greatest natural of all time. To think you did all this just eating shit and what mom makes. Amazing.  You could easily make a living from your physique. Why not do mr getbig and make an easy few grand?

 The reason why I mentioned the shitty apartment is that you said you had a great 'banking job' and didn't want to try bodybuilding. I just wondered what you do in this fantastic job as, no offence, your spelling and punctuation is remedial and borderline retarded.

 Seriously, I salute you. You are the greatest lifetime natural in the history of the human species.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 03:42:26 PM
dont patronise me....
having a bank job doesnt mean your rich besides as i said thats not my apartment
im not the greatest natural of all time.... or even grat
or anything
i just like working out i share some pictures and training somebody makes a thread..
and i get called a liar .... wow ..ive never disrespected anyone or called anyone a liar so i get dissed because im natural... and i have an decent build..
 :-[


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: TrueGrit on July 18, 2008, 03:46:03 PM
Don't sell yourself short. Take a look at someone like Lame Norton who is a 'pro' with a contract. He is often cited as the pinnacle of natural bodybuilding and you blow him away.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
dont patronise me....
having a bank job doesnt mean your rich besides as i said thats not my apartment
im not the greatest natural of all time.... or even grat
or anything
i just like working out i share some pictures and training somebody makes a thread..
and i get called a liar .... wow ..ive never disrespected anyone or called anyone a liar so i get dissed because im natural... and i have an decent build..
 :-[


How am I dissing you? I just paid you the ultimate compliment and said you're the greatest natural in human history. You are, take a look at the pre-steroid guys or modern pros like truegrit mentioned. You destroy them all and you do it by lifting insane weight and just eating a crappy diet. Amazing. Truly breathtaking.

 You should give up the bank job and become the greatest natural of all time. You will get sponsorship and win every show you enter.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 03:51:03 PM
dont patronise me....
having a bank job doesnt mean your rich besides as i said thats not my apartment
im not the greatest natural of all time.... or even grat
or anything
i just like working out i share some pictures and training somebody makes a thread..
and i get called a liar .... wow ..ive never disrespected anyone or called anyone a liar so i get dissed because im natural... and i have an decent build..
 :-[


How am I dissing you? I just paid you the ultimate compliment and said you're the greatest natural in human history. You are, take a look at the pre-steroid guys or modern pros like truegrit mentioned. You destroy them all and you do it by lifting insane weight and just eating a crappy diet. Amazing. Truly breathtaking.

 You should give up the bank job and become the greatest natural of all time. You will get sponsorship and win every show you enter.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
i have a decent build... but i wouldnt exactly class myself as the greatest natural of all time....
besides i have no desire to stand on stage in thongs...
...
no disrespect to anyone...
i just like to lift and thats it
thx for the 'compliment'


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 04:04:22 PM
i have a decent build... but i wouldnt exactly class myself as the greatest natural of all time....
besides i have no desire to stand on stage in thongs...
...
no disrespect to anyone...
i just like to lift and thats it
thx for the 'compliment'


But you do like to look at men in thongs tho bro as the other day you were saying you were about to buy BFTO 2007. Would also help supplement the money you make from the banking job. You'd win any natural polygraphed test you entered.
And you are the greatest natural of all time. I posted plenty of pictures of naturals from past and present and you beat them all. You are the most amazing example of human physiology ever..you even defy it dude  :o :o


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 18, 2008, 04:13:05 PM
Enough with this shit already

Just leave it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 18, 2008, 04:18:30 PM
Don't sell yourself short. Take a look at someone like Lame Norton who is a 'pro' with a contract. He is often cited as the pinnacle of natural bodybuilding and you blow him away.


wait until you see what I bring to the mr.getbig

now I just need to join a gym and start working out..and stopping over eating and drinking every day


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 04:30:54 PM
I can't believe our sugarsweetie is still on about this... Why don't you give up now? looks like bodybuilding just isn't for you. 

Meso keep up the good work.. would love to go a few sets with you on some good basic lifts. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 05:10:16 PM


Meso keep up the good work.. would love to go a few sets with you on some good basic lifts. 


HAHAHAHA He'd blow you and your scrawny little physique apart. You couldn't even spot for him he's so strong 'sauce'tradomous ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:18:23 PM
Meso most guys turn to steroids because they would never be able to achieve a physique like yours naturally.  Quit downplaying your physique and your lifts.  For a natural they are phenomenal.  That's what makes me skeptical the most.  Every chance you get you downplay everything.  I mean come on.  Even with great genetics most bodybuilders have to be very disciplined in their diet and training.  Look at Chris Faildo LOL.  He eats broccoli and chicken breasts a 100 times a day and gets all his diurectic effects from asparagus.   ::)  

Meso have you ever heard of the black bodybuilder Paul Wynter?  Well he's about your size and shape.  Not sure what his bench press is but he competed in the 60's.  In fact without having seen your legs your physique is on par with his.  And most would agree he was hardly drug free.  So I don't know man.........I'm torn.  You come off as a very genuine, humble guy but you know what??????????? PLENTY of drug using bodybuilders who claimed to be natural have had your attitude and STILL deny their drug use to this day.  Serge Nubret is a perfect example.  So is Robby Robinson Robinson.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 05:24:32 PM

HAHAHAHA He'd blow you and your scrawny little physique apart. You couldn't even spot for him he's so strong 'sauce'tradomous ;D ;D

I noticed you put the sauce in quotations, still think I'm on too? 
... Listen Sweetie I know your envious and all but this is too much.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 05:29:35 PM
i hear what your saying...
but robby robinson is robby robinson
.. and meso is meso...
he is a bbing legend.... and bbing superstar
.. im just some random guy who likes to lift weights
i have nothing to gain.. if i was lyiing
i said i had 18 + arms i got calling a liar and a bullshitter
i posted a clip
i named out some lifts.... i did i got called a liar...
i posted clips.....
surely you must see a pattern here
... :-\


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 18, 2008, 05:31:03 PM
"9 plates on the t-bar row" LIAR


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:31:33 PM
Meso do you know how Rick Wayne is?  Do you feel he was all natural?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 05:32:49 PM
I noticed you put the sauce in quotations, still think I'm on too? 
... Listen Sweetie I know your envious and all but this is too much.



Why you say 'still'? When have I ever said I thought you juiced ::) I think it a little odd that a natty would call them self that  but as far as your physique goes it's mediocre at best and , quite frankly, it's embarrassing that you think it's even comparable to meso's. Like all attention whores you found a thread and dumped your pics in it. Seriously, you look completely natural. You're nothing, this ain't about you dude.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:35:03 PM
i hear what your saying...
but robby robinson is robby robinson
.. and meso is meso...
he is a bbing legend.... and bbing superstar
.. im just some random guy who likes to lift weights
i have nothing to gain.. if i was lyiing
i said i had 18 + arms i got calling a liar and a bullshitter
i posted a clip
i named out some lifts.... i did i got called a liar...
i posted clips.....
surely you must see a pattern here

... :-\

Dude you keep saying the same shit.  You didn't even answer my questions.  Secondly, an 18 inch arm and a 405 bench is not EASY to attain even with drugs.  Sorry.  But if you downplay a 18 inch arm and a 405 bench you're full of shit.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: elite_lifter on July 18, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
Meso is a clown. This thread should have died 37.5 pages ago.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:37:07 PM
You're just a random guy with a six pack, 18 inch arms and a 405 bench?  LOL.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:40:42 PM
i hear what your saying...
but robby robinson is robby robinson
.. and meso is meso...
he is a bbing legend.... and bbing superstar
.. im just some random guy who likes to lift weights
i have nothing to gain.. if i was lyiing
i said i had 18 + arms i got calling a liar and a bullshitter
i posted a clip
i named out some lifts.... i did i got called a liar...
i posted clips.....
surely you must see a pattern here
... :-\

Maybe that's why you work in banking cause you sound like you might be much better with numbers than you are with logic and deductive reasoning. 

I was using Robby Robinson in regards to your constant drivel like most naturals......."what do I have to gain........why would I lie?"  Bodybuilders have been lying about their drug use for the last 50 years.  Even those guys who its obvious are on.  Like I said why don't you post a pic of when you were 18 years old.  Do you feel you have better NATURAL genetics than Jay Cutler or Dorian Yates?  Can someone please post those pics of an 18 year old Cutler and Yates. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 05:42:01 PM
You're just a random guy with a six pack, 18 inch arms and a 405 bench?  LOL. 



Seriously, it's fucking laughable. Never heard of pro-hormones. Just eats junk food. Nothing special except having arms like Sergio Oliva on a shitty diet. Kids at the pool asked me if I do steroids, I said no. Doesn't want to try bodybuilding as he has a great 'banking job' ::) ::) 

All this false modesty is total fucking bullshit. Only a few gullible idiots are buying it.




Btw, it's 19 inch arms ::)



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
my arms are 19 now round abouts....
what your not grasping is i only know how to do this naturally which is why
i couldnt justify how hard it would be in contrast to someone who used drugs..
405 for a single... that i put down to strength... ive always been strong for my size...
and for the dude who keeps saying bullshit to the 9 plate tbar...
yes i have done it..
colemman does 12 not that it matters
i think chris mason has done 10 plates..
so its not that big of a deal go to the training forum type in meso in the search engine you will find vids of my lifts


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: danielson on July 18, 2008, 05:47:39 PM
Meso, you have far superior genetics than me(and 99.99% of the rest of the world). See, what's so hard about admitting that?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:48:20 PM


Seriously, it's fucking laughable. Never heard of pro-hormones. Just eats junk food. Nothing special except having arms like Sergio Oliva on a shitty diet. Kids at the pool asked me if I do steroids, I said no. Doesn't want to try bodybuilding as he has a great 'banking job' ::) ::) 

All this false modesty is total fucking bullshit. Only a few gullible idiots are buying it.




Btw, it's 19 inch arms ::)

Now he claims 19 inch arms?  Sorry I can't keep up with this thread.  That's deifnitely ridiculous.  a 19 inch arm is HUGE even for drug using bodybuilders.  I mean all the idiots in this thread who claim 18-19 inch arms are not that big of deal probably either don't have them or have never really seen them or have seen highly inflated numbers by guys like Arnold and other pros.  Arthur Jones said at the time that Sergio was really the ONLY true 21 inch arm back in the day and that his bicep was probably bigger because he could only flex it so much because of his short forearms.  Arnold NEVER had 21 inch arms.  NEVER!  




Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
what false modesty.. im not overly concerned with what others do... ...
im concerned with what i should be doing.. and in my mind i have a picture of where i want to be...
nothing to do with false modesty
tell you what
ok...
believe what you want to believe...
and i'll keep lifting hard and heavy
ive repeated myself too many times
..
its like beating a dead horse
...
mes



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 05:52:00 PM
my arms are 19 now round abouts....
what your not grasping is i only know how to do this naturally which is why
i couldnt justify how hard it would be in contrast to someone who used drugs..
405 for a single... that i put down to strength... ive always been strong for my size...
and for the dude who keeps saying bullshit to the 9 plate tbar...
yes i have done it..
colemman does 12 not that it matters
i think chris mason has done 10 plates..
so its not that big of a deal go to the training forum type in meso in the search engine you will find vids of my lifts

Haha you know all these lifts of bodybuilders (I don't even know who fucking Chris Mason is) how many plates they lift etc. but you never heard of prohormones?  LOL.  The more you try to defend yourself the more unconvincing you sound.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 06:07:58 PM
thx danielson...
while i have good genetics..
i dont think they are better than 99.9%
i think a lot of people dont want to work hard..
i used to train from 6 till 10 pm when i first started still doin sets while the gym owner was closing the gym
the other day i saw a guy a young white guy around 17 messing around thinking he was doing back.... so i walked  over as i was gonna do back and said ok lets do back.. let me show u... how to do proper back.... he was hesitant and said i looked like i would kill him i said naw.. you will do what u can do and i will do what i can do....
so we started with deadlifts he satyed on one plate .. i did from one plate 6 sets ending with 5 and a half plates on the bar for 3 reps....
all the time stripping the bar back down to one plate for him to do his set.. the we had to load it back up for mine...
after deads he said no more...
because we did six sets he read in a magazine... you should only do 6 sets or your overtraining....
.... i just laughed and dragged him through the rest of the session.. and told him to come tommorow for chest... he never trained with me again
now
a 160lb guy 17 telling me i'm overtraining....
why because he's already brainwashed to be lazy...
to be honest i dnt have to train back as hard as i do as with delts chest and biceps.. its one of my stand out bodyparts..
but i dtill like to pound it hard .... hard hard
thats where i think my genetics is really good my mindset for working out..
I love working out and lifting heavy the muscles follow



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
Haha you know all these lifts of bodybuilders (I don't even know who fucking Chris Mason is) how many plates they lift etc. but you never heard of prohormones?  LOL.  The more you try to defend yourself the more unconvincing you sound.
genius i know bodybuilders.. i know the lifts but what im trying to say is i dont let that determine what i do...
do u for one second that because arnold maxed at 445 or whatever i wont do it or im gonna be afraid to do it think again.. and thats why i move the weights i move.. i dont set a limit based on what others do
hope this helps
and as i already told you
i dont know what prohormones are...
the same way as i dont know how long it would take to climb the sears towers ...
why ?
because i'm not interested in it
do you understand :-[
you come across as a smart guy i hope that was suffiecient to clarify that point


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 06:16:02 PM
thx danielson...
while i have good genetics..
i dont think they are better than 99.9%
i think a lot of people dont want to work hard..
i used to train from 6 till 10 pm when i first started still doin sets while the gym owner was closing the gym
the other day i saw a guy a young white guy around 17 messing around thinking he was doing back.... so i walked  over as i was gonna do back and said ok lets do back.. let me show u... how to do proper back.... he was hesitant and said i looked like i would kill him i said naw.. you will do what u can do and i will do what i can do....
so we started with deadlifts he satyed on one plate .. i did from one plate 6 sets ending with 5 and a half plates on the bar for 3 reps....
all the time stripping the bar back down to one plate for him to do his set.. the we had to load it back up for mine...
after deads he said no more...
because we did six sets he read in a magazine... you should only do 6 sets or your overtraining....
.... i just laughed and dragged him through the rest of the session.. and told him to come tommorow for chest... he never trained with me again
now
a 160lb guy 17 telling me i'm overtraining....
why because he's already brainwashed to be lazy...
to be honest i dnt have to train back as hard as i do as with delts chest and biceps.. its one of my stand out bodyparts..
but i dtill like to pound it hard .... hard hard
thats where i think my genetics is really good my mindset for working out..
I love working out and lifting heavy the muscles follow



You're an idiot hence why it makes me realize you might in fact be natural.  99% of the population does not have your genetics and if they were to train balls to the wall like you claim you do they would in fact overtrain, not see gains and become discouraged.  Maybe this kid is lazy and doesn't want to train.  But for any normal person you don't need to train 4 hours a day.  In fact for most people if they are spending more than an hour in the gym training they are doing too much and will end up overtraining.  In fact I'd say that's the mean reason why most young people turn to steroids is because they have natural genetically superior idiots like you telling them they just need to do more.  They end up overtraining.  With your superior genetics you also have a higher exercise threshold and recovery ability.  Being as short and naturally well muscled as you are you can lift heavier too.

http://www.realstrengthrealmuscle.com/


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 06:20:00 PM

and as i already told you
i dont know what prohormones are...
the same way as i dont know how long it would take to climb the sears towers ...
why ?
because i'm not interested in it
do you understand :-[
you come across as a smart guy i hope that was suffiecient to clarify that point


I'm not interested in thyroid boosters but I know what they are. Cut the fucking lies pal. Nobody spends 4 years on getbig, knows all the lifts of every pro, benches 405lbs without having at least heard of prohormones.

Stop insulting people's intelligence. You fucked up by trying to claim you'd never even heard of prohormones until they were mentioned a few days ago. You lied, probably because you've tried them.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on July 18, 2008, 06:20:41 PM
genius i know bodybuilders.. i know the lifts but what im trying to say is i dont let that determine what i do...
do u for one second that because arnold maxed at 445 or whatever i wont do it or im gonna be afraid to do it think again.. and thats why i move the weights i move.. i dont set a limit based on what others do
hope this helps
and as i already told you
i dont know what prohormones are...
the same way as i dont know how long it would take to climb the sears towers ...
why ?
because i'm not interested in it
do you understand :-[
you come across as a smart guy i hope that was suffiecient to clarify that point

So if just think I can achieve 20 inch arms naturally like Arnold and I work hard in the gym that means I can achieve them?  LOL.  I don't understand your logic behing anything you say.  


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 18, 2008, 06:36:22 PM
So if just think I can achieve 20 inch arms naturally like Arnold and I work hard in the gym that means I can achieve them?  LOL.  I don't understand your logic behing anything you say. 
... no...
i just train hard and dont put a limit on what i can achieve... that has helped me so far....
the key is i enjoy hard training....


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: The Master on July 18, 2008, 06:39:10 PM
What's the big deal here?

Chris Mason did 405 naturally before 20.

Some local norwegian 19 year old kid did 190 kg = 418 pounds, and he is natural (although a bit fat), and there are several kids like this here.

Pressing has a lot to do with how you are built as well. Meso = just built for the bench.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: CT_Muscle on July 18, 2008, 06:39:51 PM
... no...
i just train hard and dont put a limit on what i can achieve... that has helped me so far....
the key is i enjoy hard training....

well said


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 06:54:19 PM

Why you say 'still'? When have I ever said I thought you juiced ::) I think it a little odd that a natty would call them self that  but as far as your physique goes it's mediocre at best and , quite frankly, it's embarrassing that you think it's even comparable to meso's. Like all attention whores you found a thread and dumped your pics in it. Seriously, you look completely natural. You're nothing, this ain't about you dude.

What's embarrassing is you actually posting your own photos just to prove what a "real natural" looks like.  Oh that's right, you haven't because you have a body of a young prepubescent girl who just got her first period and is lashing all her anger out on a black man with a superior physique.  You really do humor me. 


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 07:18:34 PM
What's embarrassing is you actually posting your own photos just to prove what a "real natural" looks like.  Oh that's right, you haven't because you have a body of a young prepubescent girl who just got her first period and is lashing all her anger out on a black man with a superior physique.  You really do humor me. 


Dude, seriously, when I saw you post your pic like you are comparable to meso I actually laughed at your stringy, meth-built 'physique' and delusions of grandeur ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 07:29:06 PM
Dude, seriously, when I saw you post your pic like you are comparable to meso I actually laughed at your stringy, meth-built 'physique' and delusions of grandeur ;D

So are you saying you have a better physique? or do you just lift online?  I bet you would outclass us all.  Am I right?


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
So are you saying you have a better physique? or do you just lift online?  I bet you would outclass us all.  Am I right?

HAHAHAHAHA Angry, dewy-eyed meltdown. Dude, I never said I was all that, I just call bullshit when I see people lie and I shatter the delusions of emaciated meth-heads who dump their pictures in random threads ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 07:35:12 PM
HAHAHAHAHA Angry, dewy-eyed meltdown. Dude, I never said I was all that, I just call bullshit when I see people lie and I shatter the delusions of emaciated meth-heads who dump their pictures in random threads ;D ;D ;D

Dewy eyed? you writing me a romance novel now?
look.. 4 posts later and my picture is still deep in your mind..


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: SweetMuscles on July 18, 2008, 07:44:22 PM
Dewy eyed? you writing me a romance novel now?
look.. 4 posts later and my picture is still deep in your mind..

HAAHHAHA You wish it was. You posted your pic - in a thread that had nothing to do with your meth body - and expected a deluge of 'wow, you juice' 'man, you're a beast, tell me your secrets' and you got nothing but an embarrassing silence. Dude, you look worse than Johnny Falcon post cycle. Stop humiliating yourself ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 18, 2008, 08:52:18 PM
HAAHHAHA You wish it was. You posted your pic - in a thread that had nothing to do with your meth body - and expected a deluge of 'wow, you juice' 'man, you're a beast, tell me your secrets' and you got nothing but an embarrassing silence. Dude, you look worse than Johnny Falcon post cycle. Stop humiliating yourself ;D ;D ;D

meth-body? that's about the 3rd time you've said that on the same page.. come up with something more witty
I posted my picture to make fun of sevatese for posting his all the time.. who's to say that is me?

Just remember one thing sweetie.  You look up when I talk down to you. :-*


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: flagadajones on July 18, 2008, 09:13:32 PM
HAAHHAHA You wish it was. You posted your pic - in a thread that had nothing to do with your meth body - and expected a deluge of 'wow, you juice' 'man, you're a beast, tell me your secrets' and you got nothing but an embarrassing silence. Dude, you look worse than Johnny Falcon post cycle. Stop humiliating yourself ;D ;D ;D

how are you doing dave/sarcasm/squadfather, didnt take you long to get back to your old habits and start getting everyone hating on you again.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: gh15 on July 19, 2008, 02:41:42 AM
Maybe that's why you work in banking cause you sound like you might be much better with numbers than you are with logic and deductive reasoning. 

I was using Robby Robinson in regards to your constant drivel like most naturals......."what do I have to gain........why would I lie?"  Bodybuilders have been lying about their drug use for the last 50 years.  Even those guys who its obvious are on.  Like I said why don't you post a pic of when you were 18 years old.  Do you feel you have better NATURAL genetics than Jay Cutler or Dorian Yates?  Can someone please post those pics of an 18 year old Cutler and Yates. 

nononono
he is working in bak because it is the easiest most comfortable job inorder to be able to do bodybuilding and be able to grow,,he doesnt move his ass and dont waste calories,,,,most guys who work for banks around the world and active bodybuilders and lifters use hormones from m1t to dianabal to injects to hgh and inbetween,,

friends,,im askin you nicely to stop writing to me abotu this fella,,,i got the pictures i need no see more,,gh15 already said the final verdict about this subject,,you have here a person who has a very low self esteem and did use and most lilley still use some kinda of enhancment as in what considered controlled substance in the usa,,

his physiqe from couple of picture gh15 has chekced has been on dianabol or strength orals such as m1t ,,oxandrolone,,turinabol and the such ,,again it is not consiistent use and more than likley what he used was dianabol or methyl at low dose with not enough food in the diet thus creating the low body fat while maintaining 200lb physiqe,,,the smoothness of the muscle even though the cut is of a 6-7% points to the use or orals aas and the most known of them all m1t which is a favorite among the naturals,,

this fella as gh15 said before is very much into bodybuilding,,,his whole life is bodybuilding,,he is  LIAR ,,,he lives bodybuilding ,,,his job fits his life style ,,he is 24/7 think it,,and he act that way ,,this is very very important for younger guys who reads this thread to understand that you should not expect to look this way no matter what you do in the gym ,,,the friend has a physiqe of someone who is femiliar with the products surrounding bodybuilding and by products i dont mean no protien powders,,

so you young kids please understand that gh15 writes this inorder to clear the bullshit out of the truth,,,you can not achieve those quality physiqe and size just by trainign naturally  no matter how much mind you put into matter...unless youre 6'5 and then youll be able to be 200 naturally at 7% but be skinny,,,at the current weights and heights talked about with the body fat% and the lifts ,,,with the knoweldge the person demonstrate when he is not put on the spot,,with the dedicaiton to lifting and with the very low self esteem ..gh15 detrmined that this is a lifter that used and most likley still use in long intervals hormones,,orals!,,

just to be clear gh15 will also write here the cycles for a physiqe such as this so you kids are molre clear about i:

dianabol 25-30mg a day
eq 400-600mg a week

the diet will be the key ,,,if you dont eat enough calories for serious growth and only keep moderate caloric intake and train a lot ...you will end up looking like that with exactly 18.5 inch arms at 5'11 ,,

it is very important for yu oto understand that this physiqe is very averagew for hormonized user and have very good arms but the rest is average for hormonized user and thats why i give him natural because he is inddeed only expriemented same as reeves thats why natural ......vince also claim natural because he only used 8..dianabol pills a day ...the consideration for hormonized lifter now days are a lot higher.....we dont count anything under 750mg of total hormoens as hormonized lifter,,

now since this fella did not inject oils and its part of my final verdict in that matter,,,he did this physiqe with the use of some orals help and consistent training through out the years

that is it friend,,please avoid discussing this subject with gh15 further,,no emails no pms you can ask any one of my go to fellas and they are allowed to have their own opinions but gh15 vercit is final and not up for change
gh15 approved


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 19, 2008, 03:29:47 AM
that good believe what you want to believe....
... and i will keep knowing what is the truth which is what ive posted this far
from what i can see most of your knowledge is about drugs not about training....
and your jealous because i looked better than you did natural...
you said i had shitty delts
 ::)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)
gh15 who is a pro bber apparentley..(wow im soooo impressed) no offense aside from a handful of pros.. coleman victor richards..bertil..sergio a lot of them are all drugs... i bet you fall into that category of being all drugs which why it pisses you off that im natural and have a decent physique i'm willing to bet i probably looked better than you when you were natural...
epic jealousy so you come on the thread and call someone you dont even know a liar....and accuse them of takin all kinds of drugs..
wow great example pro bber.. when i grow up i wanna be just like you....
you may have big muscles but u have a shitty and weak character.
no more replies directly to u..
mes



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Deicide on July 19, 2008, 03:43:15 AM
that good believe what you want to believe....
... and i will keep knowing what is the truth which is what ive posted this far
from what i can see most of your knowledge is about drugs not about training....
and your jealous because i looked better than you did natural...
you said i had shitty delts
 ::)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/th_MeasuringArms2.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/?action=view&current=MeasuringArms2.flv)
gh15 who is a pro bber apparentley..(wow im soooo impressed) no offense aside from a handful of pros.. coleman victor richards..bertil..sergio a lot of them are all drugs... i bet you fall into that category of being all drugs which why it pisses you off that im natural and have a decent physique i'm willing to bet i probably looked better than you when you were natural...
epic jealousy so you come on the thread and call someone you dont even know a liar....and accuse them of takin all kinds of drugs..
wow great example pro bber.. when i grow up i wanna be just like you....
you may have big muscles but u have a shitty and weak character.
no more replies directly to u..
mes



And you have no legs...apparently...


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: dr.chimps on July 19, 2008, 04:01:03 AM
I can't believe our sugarsweetie is still on about this... Why don't you give up now? looks like bodybuilding just isn't for you. 

Meso keep up the good work.. would love to go a few sets with you on some good basic lifts. 
That'd be cool. Then I'd like to get into some of that Jamaican food that he's always talking about, especially the spicy stuff. Let's not forget the recovery aspect of training!  :)

/i'll bring the red stripe and some wailers cds...   


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 19, 2008, 04:22:29 AM
for what it is worth I believe Meso when he says that he is natural
if you are ever in NY look me up


do I have any proof, no
do I truly care either way, no

I don't recall him saying that he pressed 160..I thought that he said 145, which is not that impresssive

there is a dude at my gym (around the same size) that declines press 405 for a couple, but he is carrying about 20lbs more fat than meso.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 19, 2008, 04:54:53 AM
That'd be cool. Then I'd like to get into some of that Jamaican food that he's always talking about, especially the spicy stuff. Let's not forget the recovery aspect of training!  :)

/i'll bring the red stripe and some wailers cds...   

Haha, don't forget the Capleton and Buju Banton tunes.  Seriously though Reggae is too laid back for me to workout to.  It's more of a relaxing beat.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Red Hook on July 19, 2008, 04:59:42 AM
Haha, don't forget the Capleton and Bob Marley tunes.  Seriously though Reggae is too laid back for me to workout to.  It's more of a relaxing beat.

try dance hall or soca..the girls go crazy for it


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: saucetradomous on July 19, 2008, 05:02:04 AM
how are you doing dave/sarcasm/squadfather, didnt take you long to get back to your old habits and start getting everyone hating on you again.



Nah, we love this guy as he does a good service of exposing the "delusionites" but some of his arguments are weak especially on this one.  The whole prohormone defense still boggles me.


Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: Ursus on July 19, 2008, 05:42:06 AM
Muscle mcmanus my arms were 18" before i started training arm...pressing and chins sorts them out.

I am convinced so many people train wrong thats why their gains are limited.



Title: Re: this getbigger (mesomorph) claims natural...
Post by: mesmorph78 on July 19, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
for what it is worth I believe Meso when he says that he is natural
if you are ever in NY look me up


do I have any proof, no
do I truly care either way, no

I don't recall him saying that he pressed 160..I thought that he said 145, which is not that impresssive

there is a dude at my gym (around the same size) that declines press 405 for a couple, but he is carrying about 20lbs more fat than meso.
wsup man... Id love to train with anyone here so i could learn from as well as share my experience with... if anyone here is from miami... ill be there in september at one of the hotels on miami beach.... there is a gym near there apparently .. i will train with anybody...
i said ive never pressed 160's incline i can do 145 incline..
anyway here is the link to a thread of my old lifts...
i did do flat presses with 160's
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=178582.0