Obama Vows To Disarm America

[Bodvar]

With america having built 50 american military bases in Iraq as well as the largest embassy in the world does it sound like america is not trying to have Iraq as a COLONY??? Does it sound like america is trying to leave? With recent request to have permanent control over the Iraqi air space, shipping ports and commercial airline does it not sound like america is making Iraq a Colony??? Sounds like it to me...

Sorry where are the American settlers? Why are the Americans not collecting taxes from the Iraqi population? Without those two factors you do not have a colony. America did the same thing with Germany and Japan that they are doing now in Iraq, and they still have a military presence in Germany and Japan. Do you consider those countries American colonies?

Second america DID NOT LIBERATE IRAQ or any nation for that matter...This was OUT AND OUT ASSAULT AND DESTRUCTION OF A SOVEREIGN UN NATION FOR THE SAKE OF ITS RESOURCES!!!!!! It is no different than the way Hawaii became a "state" of america, it is no different than the LIES told about why america went to war with Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Burma and now supporting war with Somalia and is trying to engage war with Iran. All of these things happened on the heel of american LIES and all for the sake of GREED and the desire to CONTROL THE WORLDS OIL AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

Countries run by genocidal maniacs are not "sovereign", that's like saying the Third Reich was "sovereign", just because somebody runs a country doesn't mean they should.

If America is so concerned about gaining resources why aren't they drilling for the untold billions of barrels of oil in its own backyard? And where is all this oil? I don't see any oil, the Americans are completely footing the bill for the Iraqi reconstruction by themselves, and the Iraqi's have no intention of paying them back. Some war for oil.

Americans went to war with Japan because of lies? Really? I could have sworn that the Japanese bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor. Must have been a Rovian plot in cahoots with the Zionist overlords.

So far a PAYING AMERICA for destroying its nation...Why would Iraq pay america to destroy and demoralize its nation as it has? Are you stupid? Well I know the answer to that...or are you another BRAINWASHED AMERICAN SOLDIER?

Iraq is better off now than it ever was, your talking points are at least 3 years old, get with the times.

I'm not saying they should pay for it, I'm saying that the Americans are not only NOT taking any resources but they are spending billions of dollars on a reconstruction that they will likely never get compensated for.

No I'm not a solider.

So far as gas prices go...clearly you are not aware of the nation you call america...gas has not gone up...the value of the US dollar has gone DOWN!!!! and becasue of this the cost of everythig is RISING. Gas, Food, Clothing, Cars..EVERYTHING in america is rising to match the falling dollar value.

Gas and food is going up EVERYWHERE, not just in America. Demand from oil from developing countries such as China and India is skyrocketing, and the supply can't keep up. Basically their isn't enough of the stuff to go around so the price of oil goes up. There's no conspiracy about it, America has no control over the price of oil.

The rise in prices of commodities and luxury items are all related to rising energy prices. Higher energy cost raises the cost of manufacturing and transportation which is then passed off to the consumer.

The weak dollar is a result of a huge trade imbalance and huge increases in spending. America is become more and more of a debtor nation which diminishes its purchasing power. It's just like if you get yourself in heavy debt and ruin your credit score, your purchasing power goes down, you get unfavorable interest rates, and your ability to get loans diminishes.

The government of america is doing it in stages as opposed to raising everything all at once this way the shock is not too bad. The prices will continue to rise as the dollar finally tanks and you will then get off of your HIGH HORSE OF IGNORANCE and come to know what america is really all about.

Doing what in stages? What raising the prices? Do you honestly think the US government controls the price of goods and services? And your calling me ignorant?

[CQ]

People from other countries who bash America do so to reimburse their own inferiority and miserable defects.

Just me personally, I would be far more miserable if I had to pay income tax then on top lose my free health and college benefits as that would affect my lifestyle negatively. If I was getting stung with taxes, college fees and health insurance payments I might be too poor to bumrush American malls with my debit card in hand as I love to do. Shoes belong in my closet, not on a shelf

Said it earlier, the illegal invasion, occupation and killing of citizens of a nation caused the dislike. Basic point really.

[Bodvar]

Said it earlier, the illegal invasion, occupation and killing of citizens of a nation caused the dislike. Basic point really.

Yes, because nobody hated American before the Iraq war.

[The True Adonis]

  Do you really think a lone robber with a pistol is the rule in assaults? No, the rule is several guys with heavy weapons, and they have the surprise factor in their side. Put yourself in a robber's shoe. Would you assault all by yourself with a gun places where you know there will be armed security personnel, and that they will likely shoot back since you are alone? Of course not. You will create a gang. Most robbers assault in gangs. Very few property robbers assault alone and with pistols/revolvers, but do it in gangs and with heavy weaponry, meaning that an armed citizen will likely get killed if he resists an attempt to rob him. As ridiculous as the premisse of owning guns for self-defense it, it is even more ridiculous to own them to stop the government from becoming tyrannical. This is an 18th Century American fantasy with no grounds in reality.

240 forgets how successful the Whiskey Rebellion was when it comes to armed citizens vs. federal troops.
In every single instance where armed civilians decided to take on the Government, they were stopped or completely crushed.  Even when weapons were matched.

[Arnold jr]

Both sides of the arguments here makes some valid well thought out points. Personaly I don't care for either canidiate all that much, but I'll be damned if I would throw my vote towards Obama...perhaps one of the most unAmerican candidates for president in our contries history IMO.

What's so bad about big government?


Small government does indeed mean more personal liberty for middle class Americans, but it also means:
-poor public school systems
-poor social welfare
-a homelessness rate to rival any third world country
-rampant crime
-most working class people living one paycheque away from destitution
-most middle class people living one diagnosis away from destitution

The Luke

It goes against the very ideas that this nation was founded on. The type of rule (government) you speak of neglects the principles this country has thrived on for over 200years. As many people on this board are obviously labeled “liberal thinkers, then perhaps a counter argument for them would best come from one of the fathers of liberal thinking John Locke. Many of Locke’s thoughts and ideas were what helped the founding fathers of this nation base their beliefs.

With the type of government you speak of, what belongs to a mans own person in fact does not. Granted, by your logic every man should have the same fruits that his neighbor has, but IMO, all though that would be nice, what is proper is that all man should have the fruits of his own labour not of his neighbor. “every man has property in his own person; this nobody has any right to but himself.  The labor of his body and the work of his hands, we may say, are properly his.” (Locke 1690: 17) 

A socialist revolution in the US might be the only thing that can save it... unfortunately, the people who have been indoctrinated into believing the American Dream dismiss proven socialist policy without even being able to articulate why they disagree.


The Luke

I would rather strive for my own taste of the American dream and fall flat on my face then to have a small portion handed to me just because I exist. This is what being an American is about. Taking hold of your own life, being the deciding factor on your own success or failure.

That is unfortunate because it clearly demonstrates he does not understand the principles by which this nation was founded.  It is not the fear of finding something incriminating that people find this type of governmental intrusion alarming but the principle that we have protection against unlawful search and seizure.   In short, they shouldn't be looking in the first place and if you provide them with that type of access how far will they take it.   Truthfully its a slippery slope argument but I wouldn't want to test it practically….. They are clearly being manipulated probably by fear.

You’re absolutely correct. This type of thinking this slippery slope you speak of only opens the door for future problems.

I don't base shit on religion.  I'm an atheist, moron.   


I vote Republican based on my political philosophy (smaller government, individual liberty, individual responsibility).

Although I am far from an atheist, I agree with you 100%. Most who fall into the republican camp, contrary to what many believe, do not base their vote solely on religion. Granted, in many cases it is their faith that prevents them from voting on the other side…but most would not vote that side in the first place…not when the other side basis it’s platform against individual responsibility.

If you don't want gas prices to keep on soaring then we need to stop being dependant on other countries oil besides, local and state taxes are major reason why gas increasing. Even though oil companies are making shitload, the profit margin is only about 3-4%. I heard today that in England local gas tax is something 58%.

You’re right, we should be less dependant on other countries. What’s mind boggling is that for years we’ve tried to be. Love them or hate them, the current administration has brought forth to congress bills that would allow us to drill in Alaska, Utah and in the Gulf of Mexico repeatedly. Approval in just one of those areas would make America oil dependant. But every time it is rejected, simply due to concerns brought forth by the far left. These concerns have nothing to do with economics…they are simply ideological quams.

[Bodvar]

240 forgets how successful the Whiskey Rebellion was when it comes to armed citizens vs. federal troops.
In every single instance where armed civilians decided to take on the Government, they were stopped or completely crushed.  Even when weapons were matched.

The Whiskey Rebellion was crushed by a militia which was led by Washington and was about the size of the Revolutionary Army (roughly 13,000). There was no battle because the rebels never showed up. Not really a good example Adonis.

[The True Adonis]

The Whiskey Rebellion was crushed by a militia which was led by Washington and was about the size of the Revolutionary Army (roughly 13,000). There was no battle because the rebels never showed up. Not really a good example Adonis.

Exactly my point.

There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success.  The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.

I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful.  They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged.  Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.

[The True Adonis]

Exactly my point.

There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success.  The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.

I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful.  They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged.  Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.

Might I also add, with more social reform, crime lessens, people using firearms to commit crimes dramatically decreases.  The solution to gun control is to provide more equality and freedom via government reform and educational opportunity.  Universities should not be treated like a business and should be completely free to any citizen willing to attend.  This was George Washington`s final dream.  Such an insult that his dream was abandoned and has been for so long. There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington

[The Master]

There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington

Debussey can not agree more

[Bodvar]

Exactly my point.

There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success.  The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.

I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful.  They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged.  Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.

That is totally not true, 200 million firearms in the hands of as many people would be quite a headache for any tyrant or invading army here in the US.

Just look at the problems the Americans had with the insurgent in Iraq, nothing more than peasants with AK-47's and remote controlled dynamite. The Soviet-Afghan war is also another excellent example of how a population armed with little more than small arms can hold back and actually defeat a modern army.

[The Master]

That is totally not true, 200 million firearms in the hands of as many people would be quite a headache for any tyrant or invading army here in the US.

Just look at the problems the Americans had with the insurgent in Iraq, nothing more than peasants with AK-47's and remote controlled dynamite. The Soviet-Afghan war is also another excellent example of how a population armed with little more than small arms can hold back and actually defeat a modern army.

That won't last long, as technology improves.

[candidizzle]

ADAM ABELES YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, YOU MAY BE WRONG, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE KEY TO UNLOCK THE UNIVERSE HIDDEN IN YOUR POLITICAL THEORY...BUT GUESS WHAT    IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER! NO ONE IN POWER GIVES A SHIT. YOU HAVE NO POWER. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BY SPENDING AN ENTIRE DAY INFORMING A BUNCH OF BODYBUILDERS OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GOVERN.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP

HOPE THIS HELPS

[The Master]

ADAM ABELES YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, YOU MAY BE WRONG, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE KEY TO UNLOCK THE UNIVERSE HIDDEN IN YOUR POLITICAL THEORY...BUT GUESS WHAT    IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER! NO ONE IN POWER GIVES A SHIT. YOU HAVE NO POWER. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BY SPENDING AN ENTIRE DAY INFORMING A BUNCH OF BODYBUILDERS OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GOVERN.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP

HOPE THIS HELPS

CandiDildo trying to put happenings on Getbig in a greater context.

[candidizzle]

CandiDildo trying to put happenings on Getbig in a greater context.

EITHER HE IS RETARDED, OR HE IS JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS US WITH HIS "KNOWLEDGE" ...   HOPING SOMEONE WILL TELL HIM " OH MY GOD TRUE ADONIS YOU ARE JEEENYUS ! I BOW TO YOU ! "  HAHAH. EPIC INSECURITY ABOUT HIS SMARTS

[Bodvar]

Might I also add, with more social reform, crime lessens, people using firearms to commit crimes dramatically decreases.  The solution to gun control is to provide more equality and freedom via government reform and educational opportunity. 

Social reform and crime lessons are useless when dealing with a whole generation of people that are raised to worship prison culture.

Universities should not be treated like a business and should be completely free to any citizen willing to attend.  This was George Washington`s final dream.  Such an insult that his dream was abandoned and has been for so long.

Where I'm from you can attend a University for free, there is a problem with that system though. When you don't charge for a college education you create unlimited demand for it. Government being the inefficient bureaucratic monster that it is cannot match the supply for this huge demand so it has to either:

1. Make it so only the top 25-50% of students actually pass entry exams
2. Lower the standard for which professors are hired in order to meet supply requirements, therefore lowering quality

Either way only the top performers attend college, just like with the Universities that are run like businesses.

There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington

It's a shame most Americans never have and never will know the greatness of this man. It will take a lot of change to bring his dream to reality. The government has failed our children miserably, school choice must become a reality. The ability to choose where you send your children to school cannot be just a luxury of the wealthy anymore.

[The Master]

EITHER HE IS RETARDED, OR HE IS JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS US WITH HIS "KNOWLEDGE" ...   HOPING SOMEONE WILL TELL HIM " OH MY GOD TRUE ADONIS YOU ARE JEEENYUS ! I BOW TO YOU ! "  HAHAH. EPIC INSECURITY ABOUT HIS SMARTS

Adonix = funny and intelligent.

[candidizzle]

Adonix = funny and intelligent.

  thats what he is desperately trying to project debussey.    your smart enough to be able to evaluate this characters motivations and personality... take a look at his posts and try to objectively sort through this guys head on your own.. youll see what im saying... just imagine your frued 

[The Master]

  thats what he is desperately trying to project debussey.    your smart enough to be able to evaluate this characters motivations and personality... take a look at his posts and try to objectively sort this guys head on your onw.. youll see what im saying... just imagine your frued 

Debussey sees a guy (Adonix) that = having fun. He = very clever, and part of teh cleverness is that he makes people take him too seriously

Ps: For you as well: Did you know that 0,9999999999999999999999999-> to infinity = 1    ?

[candidizzle]

Debussey sees a guy (Adonix) that = having fun. He = very clever, and part of teh cleverness is that he makes people take him too seriously

Ps: For you as well: Did you know that 0,9999999999999999999999999-> to infinity = 1    ?

okay debuss, if thats your evaluation thats cool. i disagree. but im retarded so what does that matter.

.999 to infinity will NEVER be 1. 

[The Master]

okay debuss, if thats your evaluation thats cool. i disagree. but im retarded so what does that matter.

.999 to infinity will NEVER be 1. 

It actually is, and it is a proven concept in mathematics.

proof:

1/3 = 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (to infinity)

3 * (1/3) = 0,3333333333333333 (to infinity) * 3

1 = 0,9999999999999999999999999999999999999 (to infinity)

= that 0,999999999999999 (to infinity) equals 1 = proven.

There are many other proofs for this as well

[candidizzle]

It actually is, and it is a proven concept in mathematics.

proof:

1/3 = 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (to infinity)

3 * (1/3) = 0,3333333333333333 (to infinity) * 3

1 = 0,9999999999999999999999999999999999999 (to infinity)

= that 0,999999999999999 (to infinity) equals 1 = proven.

There are many other proofs for this as well

no but thats incorrect anyways... ... there is no such thing as "1/3"... there is no number that encapsulates it... it has to stay a fraction to remain accurate....       

[Oki_Rej]

thanks Bodvar -  all good points

[The Master]

no but thats incorrect anyways... ... there is no such thing as "1/3"... there is no number that encapsulates it... it has to stay a fraction to remain accurate....       

You want other proofs?

[candidizzle]

You want other proofs?

lol !

you can not right 1 as a deccimal in any other way that 1.0 ....  .9999999 (infinity) will also be just short of 1 .....   just like .33333 (infinity) will always be just short of 1/3 ...   

[The Master]

lol !

you can not right 1 as a deccimal in any other way that 1.0 ....  .9999999 (infinity) will also be just short of 1 .....   just like .33333 (infinity) will always be just short of 1/3 ...   

You are still trying to figure out this "intuitively", but all the proofs in the world says otherwise.

But do not worry, many beginning math students think the same.