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Principal Electrical Engineer for WTC: “Fuel and Planes Alone Did NOT Bring the Towers Down”
http://www.infowars.com/?p=209
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Willie Nelson was right. 8) The fall was to symmetrical. :'(
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Principal Electrical Engineer for WTC: “Fuel and Planes Alone Did NOT Bring the Towers Down”
http://www.infowars.com/?p=209
Electrical engineering ans structural engineering are 2 different things. His statement means little and is more of an uneducated opinion.
It doesn't do anything to reveal the truth.
It doesn't support or further another investigation in 9/11
All it does is fuel more suspicion without objectivity.
It's like a biologist telling a graphic artist what is and what is not possible in graphics.
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Electrical engineering ans structural engineering are 2 different things. His statement means little and is more of an uneducated opinion.
It doesn't do anything to reveal the truth.
It doesn't support or further another investigation in 9/11
All it does is fuel more suspicion without objectivity.
It's like a biologist telling a graphic artist what is and what is not possible in graphics.
What about alll the other evidence (suspicions)?? Do you think the other countries who had citizens die in the collapse should be allowed to investigate?
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What about alll the other evidence (suspicions)?? Do you think the other countries who had citizens die in the collapse should be allowed to investigate?
Drop an A bomb on em.
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Drop an A bomb on em.
Right-on brother. Nuke em like a frozen burrito. 8)
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interesting, but like someone said, he's an electrical engineer.
what about the structural engineers of the world? what are they saying? has to be the most famous collapse in history- it really did create history (3 buildings falling so fast, so neatly and symmetrically from fire, and dissolving). normally when buildings collapse, there is a big pile of 'building'. it all turned to powder here.
but i dont want to hear when an electrical guy hears about it. have any engineers in that area spoken on it? hell, i bet a physicist could have a field day too.
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Architects & Engineers
http://www.ae911truth.org/supporters.php?g=_AES_
Physicist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
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What about alll the other evidence (suspicions)?? Do you think the other countries who had citizens die in the collapse should be allowed to investigate?
I openly support another investigation and one independent form our government would be best.
But, to believe, speculate or what ever that the towers were brought down by bombs doesn't even come close to adding up when you look a the entirety of what would be required to pull it off and keep it secret.
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shit, man. i dont know what to think.
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But, to believe, speculate or what ever that the towers were brought down by bombs doesn't even come close to adding up when you look a the entirety of what would be required to pull it off and keep it secret.
that part, i dont agree with.
a demolition of 3 buildings. maybe a few dozen or few hundred guys.
you explain their job, give them a shitload of money, and tell them you'll kill them if they talk. they'd go along with it. remember clinton cut the shit out of the military, and a lot of very good military folks (who would love to participate in taking over middle east) were out of work. they went to work for private contractors.
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give them a shitload of money,
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html
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http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html
you gotta be fucking kidding me.
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for.
The day before? lol... what timing.
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Convince them they are Patriots and they are helping to usher is THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
btw - has anyone ever wondered what it would look like if 9-11 had never happened and somehow Silversteen had gotten permission to demolish the twin towers.
Do you think it would look any different?
Except for the lack of planes and fire I think it would look exactly the same.
There's just no way the towers could fall as fast as it did without a controlled demo
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Convince them they are Patriots and they are helping to usher is THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
btw - has anyone ever wondered what it would look like if 9-11 had never happened and somehow Silversteen had gotten permission to demolish the twin towers.
Do you think it would look any different?
Except for the lack of planes and fire I think it would look exactly the same.
There's just no way the towers could fall as fast as it did without a controlled demo
Faster then gravity would pull it to Earth, thats the concrete proof in my opinion.
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I think that people get too wrapped up in the towers and not the causes for the attack. I don't think for a minute u could wire the buildings without getting caught. Staw..kudos for ur semi-obscure reference to the NEOCON's. ;)
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Faster then gravity would pull it to Earth, thats the concrete proof in my opinion.
yep - if it simply pancaked it would have taken much much longer.
It makes no sense
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I don't think for a minute u could wire the buildings without getting caught.
Lots of people reported power outages the weekend before. Well according to some sites, no concrete proof of that I guess.
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I think that people get too wrapped up in the towers and not the causes for the attack. I don't think for a minute u could wire the buildings without getting caught. Staw..kudos for ur semi-obscure reference to the NEOCON's. ;)
caught by who?
if silverstein owned the buildings, he could have authorized people anywhere he wanted.
wait a second- the 'wrapped up in the towers' involved actual physical evidence.
The "causes for the attack" are sanitized reasons given to us by the white house, caught for 1000 other lies in the last 7 yrs.
i mean, the buildings falling symmetrically in 9 seconds is fact - something that can be examined.
Bush saying "they did 911 cause they hate our freedoms" is really just words. Words fueled by motivation - a war he wanted for oil, global position, etc.
I trust science. I dont trust bush's words. do you?
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I think that people get too wrapped up in the towers and not the causes for the attack. I don't think for a minute u could wire the buildings without getting caught. Staw..kudos for ur semi-obscure reference to the NEOCON's. ;)
nice to see that someone caught it
I think a small group with the right access could do it. It might take months but I think it's within the realm of feasibility.
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you gotta be fucking kidding me.
On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for.
The day before? lol... what timing.
Had to be an inside job. The world should be raising hell right now.
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nice to see that someone caught it
I think a small group with the right access could do it. It might take months but I think it's within the realm of feasibility.
Next time a building goes up..or down...go watch it...look at all the shit involved. U could't hide it.....There were security personnel from a dozen firms working in the towers...not rentacops but retired FBI...military etc.....they would have shit.
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Next time a building goes up..or down...go watch it...look at all the shit involved. U could't hide it.....There were security personnel from a dozen firms working in the towers...not rentacops but retired FBI...military etc.....they would have shit.
yeah but a few things stand out, from what i'm reading.
bush's cousin marvin ran the security for the world trade center, and his job assignment ended on 9/10, coincidentally.
their 'motive' was a reason to invade middle east for oil for decades- and retired fbi might be grown up enough to play along.
you can bribe anyone, and when you put an official slant on it, people will go along.
those power outage- half the buildings were out the weekend before.
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Next time a building goes up..or down...go watch it...look at all the shit involved. U could't hide it.....There were security personnel from a dozen firms working in the towers...not rentacops but retired FBI...military etc.....they would have shit.
I'm not willing to rule it out simply because it seems difficult
I think, assuming it was done, the players were highly skilled and had a lot of help and coordination. Is it so hard to get "your guys" into those security firms and working that specific detail?
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yeah but a few things stand out, from what i'm reading.
bush's cousin marvin ran the security for the world trade center, and his job assignment ended on 9/10, coincidentally.
their 'motive' was a reason to invade middle east for oil for decades- and retired fbi might be grown up enough to play along.
you can bribe anyone, and when you put an official slant on it, people will go along.
those power outage- half the buildings were out the weekend before.
I forgot about Marvin
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
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I would think if a strip of explosive was placed on the correct rivet of a joint you could blow out a corner with nothing but a burn mark left as eveidence.
Now not all floors would have to be detonated, just the top ones to get momentum working for you........No evidence and burn marks on steel blamed on jetfuel fires.....
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I'm not sure if u guys read "we were soldiers" the book that the Mel Gibson movie was based on. If u look on the original cover, there is a guy running in the jungle. That guy was a Rodesian...served as a Rodesian scout and then came to America and joined the Army...got commissioned and served in Vietnam..anyway this guy ended up being the security guy for Canter-Fitzgerald. He complained endlessly that the buildings were in danger....he did eveything he could to protect his people..he ran drills and took his job seriously. He was killed on 911..guys like this don't fuck over the American public. Not to many people are into small scale genocide.
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I'm not sure if u guys read "we were soldiers" the book that the Mel Gibson movie was based on. If u look on the original cover, there is a guy running in the jungle. That guy was a Rodesian...served as a Rodesian scout and then came to America and joined the Army...got commissioned and served in Vietnam..anyway this guy ended up being the security guy for Canter-Fitzgerald. He complained endlessly that the buildings were in danger....he did eveything he could to protect his people..he ran drills and took his job seriously. He was killed on 911..guys like this don't fuck over the American public. Not to many people are into small scale genocide.
what was his name?
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I'm not sure if u guys read "we were soldiers" the book that the Mel Gibson movie was based on. If u look on the original cover, there is a guy running in the jungle. That guy was a Rodesian...served as a Rodesian scout and then came to America and joined the Army...got commissioned and served in Vietnam..anyway this guy ended up being the security guy for Canter-Fitzgerald. He complained endlessly that the buildings were in danger....he did eveything he could to protect his people..he ran drills and took his job seriously. He was killed on 911..guys like this don't fuck over the American public. Not to many people are into small scale genocide.
yep - lot's of good people died that day
There are plenty of people in power around the world who have no problem at all with mass murder
Cheney is always using the term "mass death" almost every time he makes a speech. He seems to love that phrase and certainly appears to love reminding us all of the possibility
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This thread turned out nice, no attacks just discussion.
:)
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Those of you that suspect or believe that there where explosives planted need to think it through completely. What would it take?
- Getting the explosives either from government sources which are inventoried, or from outside sources which would be inventoried also
- All those involved in the inventory process would have to be involved bought off and know what they did
- Planting the explosives: At the very least many maintenance persons and security persons would have to be bought off. And know that they contributed to the deaths of 3000 people.
- Covering up Physical preparation would have taken some doing and time
- The actual act of planting the explosives and covering it up so that people wouldn't know.
- All this and no one has come forward or leaked anything solid in 6 years.
- Why wouldn't just slamming planes be good enough to get America into war?
- the buildings would have likely been toast any way and needed to be torn down
At some point we realize real life isn't like the movies. It's not as simple as paying a few people off and secretly planting a explosives in a 110 story building so that when planes slam into it comes down.
I'm sure if you really sat down a throughly and thought it out there would soo much more we could list down there that would be involved that would show this is so very unlikely and that after 6 years all we have is no-expert speculation and the expert speculation comes from people who don't have all the facts or aren't either peer reviewed or are on the fringes of accepted fields.
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Glad u posted that....I'd add...not a single mistake...something left out...falls out of a box....somebody misses something..loose wire....sorry way to hard. Again these were not job blow the rag men....as security folks for the building.....each company had somebody who was concerned with it, whether that was their sole job or as an additional duty....the building folks would see something.
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Come on guys 3 BUILDINGS FALL DOWN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!?
What are the odds?
I don't dwell on this stuff but it's very strange.
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Those of you that suspect or believe that there where explosives planted need to think it through completely. What would it take?
- Getting the explosives either from government sources which are inventoried, or from outside sources which would be inventoried also
- All those involved in the inventory process would have to be involved bought off and know what they did
- Planting the explosives: At the very least many maintenance persons and security persons would have to be bought off. And know that they contributed to the deaths of 3000 people.- Covering up Physical preparation would have taken some doing and time
- The actual act of planting the explosives and covering it up so that people wouldn't know.
- All this and no one has come forward or leaked anything solid in 6 years.
- Why wouldn't just slamming planes be good enough to get America into war?
- the buildings would have likely been toast any way and needed to be torn down
At some point we realize real life isn't like the movies. It's not as simple as paying a few people off and secretly planting a explosives in a 110 story building so that when planes slam into it comes down.
I'm sure if you really sat down a throughly and thought it out there would soo much more we could list down there that would be involved that would show this is so very unlikely and that after 6 years all we have is no-expert speculation and the expert speculation comes from people who don't have all the facts or aren't either peer reviewed or are on the fringes of accepted fields.
believe it or not - it's the thought that a large group would be willing to kill 3000 people that is hardest to accept - at least for me, but isn't it possible that the vast majority of the participants didn't actually know the entire scenario and or maybe they were told something different like the whole place was going to be evacuated and no one would get hurt. No doubt a small core group would have to know the big picture but certainly not all the bit players. Also, humans have a large capacity for rationalization of heinious actions.
All the other stuff - explosives, access, timing, etc... can be addressed - though I'm a bit short on time this morning and can't get sucked into this at the moment...running late already.
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If u have kids...being able to do this would be hard. Also u could compartmentalize the purchases...hide the stuff...rent vehicles etc..but actually wiring it all up...near impossible. We need a building demo guy to weight in....it might have looked that way..controled explosion...but the stuff to do it would be huge. Wire..barrels of explosive....a block of c-4 is just not that much. I'v seen tons of the stuff used to blow ammo/weaposn caches up..u need alot to get that big explosion...semtex is hartder to get....might be easier to trace.
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Thats the problem. Its to Ironic, the way it happened. But its hard to explain also.
Then again the govt has always allowed civilian deaths to forward the cause of the "Greater Good" :-[
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interesting, but like someone said, he's an electrical engineer.
what about the structural engineers of the world? what are they saying? has to be the most famous collapse in history- it really did create history (3 buildings falling so fast, so neatly and symmetrically from fire, and dissolving). normally when buildings collapse, there is a big pile of 'building'. it all turned to powder here.
but i dont want to hear when an electrical guy hears about it. have any engineers in that area spoken on it? hell, i bet a physicist could have a field day too.
i have a couzin in law thats a pilot..he said...
1) you cant bank and fly a commercial jet like the 911 planes flew..you'll rip the wings right off or stall
2) to aim at a target that small (yes small) at those speeds you need
a) to plot out your course beforehand
b) have an experienced pilot..which them arabs were NOT
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i have a couzin in law thats a pilot..he said...
1) you cant bank and fly a commercial jet like the 911 planes flew..you'll rip the wings right off or stall
2) to aim at a target that small (yes small) at those speeds you need
a) to plot out your course beforehand
b) have an experienced pilot..which them arabs were NOT
So ur saying that arabs were'nt flying or they weren't planes?
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I don't know the particulars. I always go back to a few general ideas:
1. For the first time in the history of the US, 4 airplanes are hijacked simultaneously and the world's finest most technilogically advanced defense system does nothing about it. To me, that is beyond the pale of coincidental explanation.
2. The WTC buildings were designed with structural redundancies to absorb exactly the type of collisions that occurred.
Those two points cause me to question what happened.
Like the rest of you, as far as facts are concerned, I know what my government tells me.
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A college memorial union fire reached 1200 degrees because CHAIRS served as an accelerant; think there were many in the WTC? This was the hottest fire this local department every dealt with.
http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html
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Regarding the actual demo - clearly none of us here are experts but we should consider that if this was some sort of quasi-govt conspiracy they could have access to highly sophisticated explosives and other material that perhaps is not available for your every day run of the mill demo. The whole process could be very different from what is done in a conventional demo. Just something to keep in mind.
Also, a short video on thermite (I have no clue of the person in the vid is a quack or not - not time to cross reference stuff this morning).
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computers flew those planes that day.
the seoncd WTC hit was a a very steep angle at 500 mph.
the pentagon hit? damn near impossible for an experienced pilot - and circling around the front to nail the exact spot that just got renovated and happened to be full of all the people who knew about the missing 2.3 tril and that mornings wargames? no way, jose.
plus- anyone who would have witnessed the devices being installed would have been killed when they exploded that morning. the few people who did stay home, speak of power downs the week before, plus finding concrete powder on their desks from drilling, hearing heavy machinery on empty floors, etc.
you could easily keep those involved unaware until the last minute. then you have them all meet in the 110th floor for breakfast on 911, and *pow* problem solved lol...
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Come on guys 3 BUILDINGS FALL DOWN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!?
What are the odds?
I don't dwell on this stuff but it's very strange.
They didn't fall exactly the same way. Other than down.
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computers flew those planes that day.
the seoncd WTC hit was a a very steep angle at 500 mph.
the pentagon hit? damn near impossible for an experienced pilot - and circling around the front to nail the exact spot that just got renovated and happened to be full of all the people who knew about the missing 2.3 tril and that mornings wargames? no way, jose.
plus- anyone who would have witnessed the devices being installed would have been killed when they exploded that morning. the few people who did stay home, speak of power downs the week before, plus finding concrete powder on their desks from drilling, hearing heavy machinery on empty floors, etc.
you could easily keep those involved unaware until the last minute. then you have them all meet in the 110th floor for breakfast on 911, and *pow* problem solved lol...
You are not thinking it through. plain and simple. What you suggested there would also involve every person at the terminal gates, ground crews, flight crews, Flight attendants, air traffic controllers, long range controllers, transponders, disposing of a jet liner complete with hundreds of thousands spare parts and serial numbers and the list could go on and on.
The best and most successful plans involve simplicity. What you are suggesting is complex beyond reason involving too many people who would at some point talk and leave a trail.
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You are not thinking it through. plain and simple. What you suggested there would also involve every person at the terminal gates, ground crews, flight crews, Flight attendants, air traffic controllers, long range controllers, transponders, disposing of a jet liner complete with hundreds of thousands spare parts and serial numbers and the list could go on and on.
The best and most successful plans involve simplicity. What you are suggesting is complex beyond reason involving too many people who would at some point talk and leave a trail.
No.
6 months before 911, boeing announced it had the computer technology to remote control its planes. it was an anti-terrorism move, since it meant they could force hijacked planes to land. it was only available on a few models though - those being the same planes used on 911 coincidentally. look it up.
it wouldnt take a hundred people. it would take 1 computer program installed in the right places and a few guys to just follow orders and sit on their hands as things happen.
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believe it or not - it's the thought that a large group would be willing to kill 3000 people that is hardest to accept - at least for me, but isn't it possible that the vast majority of the participants didn't actually know the entire scenario and or maybe they were told something different like the whole place was going to be evacuated and no one would get hurt. No doubt a small core group would have to know the big picture but certainly not all the bit players. Also, humans have a large capacity for rationalization of heinious actions.
All the other stuff - explosives, access, timing, etc... can be addressed - though I'm a bit short on time this morning and can't get sucked into this at the moment...running late already.
You can write down a plausible scenario on paper that might make sense but putting into practice is another thing entirely. There are simply too many things involved to make it work with out getting caught. Everything i put on there, would need direct knowledge to pull off. and even then, we are talking about "why" would they even need to?
Why slam planes into the WTC if you can secretly wired up the WTC's and blow them up without anyone knowing? They (AQ) tried to do it before right? So wire the them up and bring em down and blame AQ. Far more simple then slamming planes into them and blowing the building up to make look like the planes brought it down.
Think it through SM.
Things like this are hard for people to accept. They want to see an answer thats more meaningful than a lone gunman or 19 hijackers slamming planes into buildings. But the facts speak for themselves and unless something other than speculation surfaces, the planes brought those buildings down.
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No.
6 months before 911, boeing announced it had the computer technology to remote control its planes. it was an anti-terrorism move, since it meant they could force hijacked planes to land. it was only available on a few models though - those being the same planes used on 911 coincidentally. look it up.
it wouldnt take a hundred people. it would take 1 computer program installed in the right places and a few guys to just follow orders and sit on their hands as things happen.
Ahh yes. You fly much? I do. I also have a great back ground and resources in air transportation.
- Do have any idea how many checks those planes go through and how many independent safety systems/back ups there are on a boeing?
- Do you realize along with ground crews, maintenance crews, air port security etc... you'd have to get them to help commit the crime of the century?
- It would not take a 1 computer program. You have to install it, test it, get to function without detection etc...
- How about fake recordings of the hijackers and pilots?
Think about what you saying. You are saying that becuase they have the technology to remotely fly a jet liner, that it proves those planes were remotely slammed into the WTC?
Real life is not the movies.
Think it through.
19 hijackers did it. With help from others of course, but not our government.
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Regarding the actual demo - clearly none of us here are experts but we should consider that if this was some sort of quasi-govt conspiracy they could have access to highly sophisticated explosives and other material that perhaps is not available for your every day run of the mill demo. The whole process could be very different from what is done in a conventional demo. Just something to keep in mind.
Also, a short video on thermite (I have no clue of the person in the vid is a quack or not - not time to cross reference stuff this morning).
Why should we consider a quasi gov conspiracy? Because we speculate they can? Because we think they have highly sophisticated explosives that could be hidden and covertly placed in the WTC's? Come on ST. Listen to yourself.
It there was anything to it, the majority of main stream scientists from around the world (not the just the USA) would be crying foul all day long.
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And not a thing went wrong....and people called from the plane that went into the ground in PA...they called home...talked to warm bodies...said people had the plane. People saw a jet hit the Pentagon....
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19 hijackers did it. With help from others of course, but not our government.
who?
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who?
They had to be funded and have support teams in the USA. All of which came from AQ or others.
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They had to be funded and have support teams in the USA. All of which came from AQ or others.
But the white house specifically halted any investigation outside of the 19 people on the plane, during the 911 commission.
where the $ came from, etc.
why would they do this? aren't the money men as guilty as the guys on the plane?
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But the white house specifically halted any investigation outside of the 19 people on the plane, during the 911 commission.
where the $ came from, etc.
why would they do this? aren't the money men as guilty as the guys on the plane?
I openly support a independent 9/11 investigation.
I hope it will happen, but I'm probably dreaming.
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I openly support a independent 9/11 investigation.
I hope it will happen, but I'm probably dreaming.
Yet Congress seems to have found the time to investigate steroids in baseball.
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Yet Congress seems to have found the time to investigate steroids in baseball.
I hear you.
And the lunacy continues.
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They didn't fall exactly the same way. Other than down.
Obliderated.
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Obliderated.
yeah, the buildings turned to powder - that was what was diff on 9/11. vaporized. other collepses - google the pics - they're just piles of concrete and steel. on 911, all the buildings converted to those big clouds.
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yeah, the buildings turned to powder - that was what was diff on 9/11. vaporized. other collepses - google the pics - they're just piles of concrete and steel. on 911, all the buildings converted to those big clouds.
Other collapses are controlled and are with empty buildings. These 2 happened to be some of the largest in the world full of everything imaginable and they collapsed with a downward forces many times that of other buildings creating a huge dust cloud and very large mountain of debris (don't forget the basement which is like a 10 story building upside down) complete with stored heat energy from the fall.
the 20-40 story buildings you see demolished on discovery channel are prepped gutted and mostly concrete. The demolition is designed to minimize dust and quicken clean up.
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Yet Congress seems to have found the time to investigate steroids in baseball.
Is this insane or what. Baseball players are having to answer to congress more than Bush ever has... NOW THAT'S FUCKED UP!
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Is this insane or what. Baseball players are having to answer to congress more than Bush ever has... NOW THAT'S FUCKED UP!
It's about what voters are concerned about................. that's why America is filled with some very clay like people and the politicians are the sculpters who only on occasion have to work around a stubborn rock.
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Other collapses are controlled and are with empty buildings. These 2 happened to be some of the largest in the world full of everything imaginable and they collapsed with a downward forces many times that of other buildings creating a huge dust cloud and very large mountain of debris (don't forget the basement which is like a 10 story building upside down) complete with stored heat energy from the fall.
the 20-40 story buildings you see demolished on discovery channel are prepped gutted and mostly concrete. The demolition is designed to minimize dust and quicken clean up.
So 110 stories packed with stuff fit into a 10 story sized hole?
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It's about what voters are concerned about................. that's why America is filled with some very clay like people and the politicians are the sculpters who only on occasion have to work around a stubborn rock.
well haven't met anybody that's happy with congress spending their time with this. I'm curious to know what other circles are getting on this? How about the people you know? Have you primarliy ran across people who think congress should be doing this or no or mixed?
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So 110 stories packed with stuff fit into a 10 story sized hole?
Search the web for pics. They will show quite a lot of debris above the hole and all around the area encompassing a block or 2 in all directions i think.
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Arlen Spector is in bed with the cable companies. He's working to hurt pro org bodies- NFl network costs comcast hundreds of millions. In some room, somewhere, I'm sure two men are talking about the quid pro quo, trading NFl getting on board with cable companies, with the decision to investigate the pats. perhaps Clemens is the sacrificial lamb that spector will really do it... Imagine golden Boy Tom Brady on trial next year for this... how much bigger would it be than Mcgwire? NFL will cowtow to dodge that, absolutely.
He's pandering to parents and sports fans. Face it, most folks care more about "is clemens lying" than they care about "will we bomb iran". Whether or not one guy got 3 shots of hgh 7 years ago... matter more to them than another trillion borrowed to support another war.
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Search the web for pics. They will show quite a lot of debris above the hole and all around the area encompassing a block or 2 in all directions i think.
What do you suppose those clouds that flooded the streets were made of?
That was powderized concrete from the towers. The pieces were all less than 100 micron in size. Gravity cannot break concrete into pieces this small. Not possible. You can drop a ton of bricks from 110 stories high, and it won't turn into that small mc particles. Only explosives do this, Ozmo. Look at any collapse - you see a pile of dust, but it stays put and all the concrete shit sits right there. On 911, the concrete in those 3 buildings was converted in 8 seconds to giant clouds of very small particles.
This cannot be explained. Gravity = no.
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well haven't met anybody that's happy with congress spending their time with this. I'm curious to know what other circles are getting on this? How about the people you know? Have you primarliy ran across people who think congress should be doing this or no or mixed?
oddly, no. No one gives a shit. But i work with nothing but football and basket ball fans and my boss is a democrat who's an A's fan. He thinks it's a waste too And i'm in California where everyone is on drugs and having gay sex in between the earthquakes. So we're passive and very baked most of the time. ;D
Maybe the politicians are doing this so they can say they did it. I would think the same about 9/11 but most sheeple people think there's nothing to investigate. You and i are different. We don't walk around casting down moral judgment everywhere. At least i don't think you do. And a the very least we both know 1 investigation into 9/11 is bull shit.
Honestly, this is the worst I've felt about our leadership. Carter looks like Abe Lincoln or FDR from here.
Chances are I'll vote for Obama, only becuase Mr. bomb bomb bomb Iran doesn't represent anything but more of the same shit.
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oddly, no. No one gives a shit. But i work with nothing but football and basket ball fans and my boss is a democrat who's an A's fan. He thinks it's a waste too And i'm in California where everyone is on drugs and having gay sex in between the earthquakes. So we're passive and very baked most of the time. ;D
Maybe the politicians are doing this so they can say they did it. I would think the same about 9/11 but most sheeple people think there's nothing to investigate. You and i are different. We don't walk around casting down moral judgment everywhere. At least i don't think you do. And a the very least we both know 1 investigation into 9/11 is bull shit.
Honestly, this is the worst I've felt about our leadership. Carter looks like Abe Lincoln or FDR from here.
Chances are I'll vote for Obama, only becuase Mr. bomb bomb bomb Iran doesn't represent anything but more of the same shit.
Amen brother.
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I would think the same about 9/11 but most sheeple people think there's nothing to investigate.
2/3 of the people you see every day believe there should be another investigation.
Higher if you live in NYC.
The people want it. Some in congress want it. Oddly, they're marginalized for the belief that a crime should be properly investigated.
When Bush leaves office, the push for a new investigation will begin. Besides, would you WANT another investigation with Bush in charge? The lead 911 commissioner spent hours each day on phone with Rove despite formal requirement there be no contact between white house and 911 commission. When caught - he discontinued phone records!
Any investigation that happens in the next year would be a sham, and it'd take a lot of steam out of the 911 movement. Remember - Obama said that he agrees there are a lot of unanswered Qs about 911.
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What do you suppose those clouds that flooded the streets were made of?
That was powderized concrete from the towers. The pieces were all less than 100 micron in size. Gravity cannot break concrete into pieces this small. Not possible. You can drop a ton of bricks from 110 stories high, and it won't turn into that small mc particles. Only explosives do this, Ozmo. Look at any collapse - you see a pile of dust, but it stays put and all the concrete shit sits right there. On 911, the concrete in those 3 buildings was converted in 8 seconds to giant clouds of very small particles.
This cannot be explained. Gravity = no.
Gravity didn't break concrete into pieces that small, collisions did. The energy from tons of falling debris crashing down on it's self produced particles ranging from 100 microns and up. (about 1/3 the width of a hair) On top pf that any other demolition was never done with buildings that size or filled with the crap they had.
think about it 240. how many feet do you have to fall to reach maximum velocity? Combined that with tons of kenetic energy from hundreds of feet up falling.
BTW, dust particles down to 3 microns in size are everywhere. You are breathing some right now.
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2/3 of the people you see every day believe there should be another investigation.
Higher if you live in NYC.
The people want it. Some in congress want it. Oddly, they're marginalized for the belief that a crime should be properly investigated.
When Bush leaves office, the push for a new investigation will begin. Besides, would you WANT another investigation with Bush in charge? The lead 911 commissioner spent hours each day on phone with Rove despite formal requirement there be no contact between white house and 911 commission. When caught - he discontinued phone records!
Any investigation that happens in the next year would be a sham, and it'd take a lot of steam out of the 911 movement. Remember - Obama said that he agrees there are a lot of unanswered Qs about 911.
Not enough of the people who vote want one 240. :'(
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reading this, I have to tell you all. I'm very very depressed right now. I mean really fucking depressed. I'm sure you've all seen it in me. I've been wigged and disgruntled bigtime. I'm on the edge of just not giving a shit anymore about anything. And then I have to say, I love this forum. I love reading the shit you fellas type up. This shit is addictive. I love you guys (http://download164.mediafire.com/9j2tdejdzadg/7zekbn2qo3n/Neuroticfish+-+They%27re+Coming+to+Take+me+Away.mp3) :D
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Not enough of the people who vote want one 240. :'(
I dunno about that. True- many who want a new investigation are young, and young people vote less than old people. So 67% of voters might not want one.
But in an election that has been so close the last two time... you CANNOT discount the fact that 911 skepticism plays into decision making. I often wonder why so few people look at the 911 factor in voting. I'm a lifelong repub voter who will likely vote dem this time. The fact that Obama is open to a new investigation and McCain is not - that weighs heavily on that.
Are there more voters like me? Lifelong repubs who are upset about 911? Absolutely.
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reading this, I have to tell you all. I'm very very depressed right now. I mean really fucking depressed. I'm sure you've all seen it in me. I've been wigged and disgruntled bigtime. I'm on the edge of just not giving a shit anymore about anything. And then I have to say, I love this forum. I love reading the shit you fellas type up. This shit is addictive. I love you guys :D
you can't change the world. you really dont affect shit.
this whole decade is the 'learning' generation. growing pains, etc. the internet means thousands of otherwise idiot people learn the truth of things every day. it won't matter now, wont' matter for the next decade maybe. But after that- when the truthers are in their 40s and running the world and their kids are in college - THEN it starts to change.
internet changes everything. Right now, there are info wars happening. 2 days before the french released detailed analysis of Pentagon "The big lie", the white house releases their 5 still photos that previously didn't exist. Is this a coincidence? LOL no way. Info wars. Plain and simple. Convince enough of the 300 mil people and you get to keep doin what you want. Enough people know about 911 that pulling another one and blaming iran would not work. So there is progress.
and stop taking it so seriously lol... i rarely follow this stuff anymore. I got so worked up over it, and then i realized i dont control shit, i can't change shit. all i can do is watch the ride like everyone else.
And if nothing else, run a survey/poll here... should there be another 911 investigation lol... compare those numbers to 2 years ago, when you and me were the only 2 pigeons sqwalking about it lol...
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reading this, I have to tell you all. I'm very very depressed right now. I mean really fucking depressed. I'm sure you've all seen it in me. I've been wigged and disgruntled bigtime. I'm on the edge of just not giving a shit anymore about anything. And then I have to say, I love this forum. I love reading the shit you fellas type up. This shit is addictive. I love you guys (http://download164.mediafire.com/9j2tdejdzadg/7zekbn2qo3n/Neuroticfish+-+They%27re+Coming+to+Take+me+Away.mp3) :D
Sometimes you have to get outside and take in some air...... 8)
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you can't change the world. you really dont affect shit.
this whole decade is the 'learning' generation. growing pains, etc. the internet means thousands of otherwise idiot people learn the truth of things every day. it won't matter now, wont' matter for the next decade maybe. But after that- when the truthers are in their 40s and running the world and their kids are in college - THEN it starts to change.
internet changes everything. Right now, there are info wars happening. 2 days before the french released detailed analysis of Pentagon "The big lie", the white house releases their 5 still photos that previously didn't exist. Is this a coincidence? LOL no way. Info wars. Plain and simple. Convince enough of the 300 mil people and you get to keep doin what you want. Enough people know about 911 that pulling another one and blaming iran would not work. So there is progress.
and stop taking it so seriously lol... i rarely follow this stuff anymore. I got so worked up over it, and then i realized i dont control shit, i can't change shit. all i can do is watch the ride like everyone else.
And if nothing else, run a survey/poll here... should there be another 911 investigation lol... compare those numbers to 2 years ago, when you and me were the only 2 pigeons sqwalking about it lol...
I know you're right. I don't know what it is. I'm just really wigged lately. Having a real hard time with life. Really at an all time high depression wise. It's a lot of other shit too. I'm such a loser ;D
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smile man.
all we're doing following politics is reading history books live.
all this shit will be so sanitized. "my pet goat" will never make it into our grandkids' history books. we are blessed with the bonus of watchign it live and uncensored. never before, cause there was no web. And never again, as they'll find a way to close it in a decade or three. we fuckin rule.
and it's valentines day. get laid. i care more about this strawberry daquiri i'm sipping than anything obama and hilary are bitching about tonight :)
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smile man.
all we're doing following politics is reading history books live.
all this shit will be so sanitized. "my pet goat" will never make it into our grandkids' history books. we are blessed with the bonus of watchign it live and uncensored. never before, cause there was no web. And never again, as they'll find a way to close it in a decade or three. we fuckin rule.
and it's valentines day. get laid. i care more about this strawberry daquiri i'm sipping than anything obama and hilary are bitching about tonight :)
well said 240, thanks :)
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I dunno about that. True- many who want a new investigation are young, and young people vote less than old people. So 67% of voters might not want one.
But in an election that has been so close the last two time... you CANNOT discount the fact that 911 skepticism plays into decision making. I often wonder why so few people look at the 911 factor in voting. I'm a lifelong repub voter who will likely vote dem this time. The fact that Obama is open to a new investigation and McCain is not - that weighs heavily on that.
Are there more voters like me? Lifelong repubs who are upset about 911? Absolutely.
Right now, in a campaign questioning 9/11 would be suicide. Not becuase it's not legitimate, but becuase it would leave that candidate open for attacks they would never recover from.
So, maybe Obama if he gets elected......
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Right now, in a campaign questioning 9/11 would be suicide. Not becuase it's not legitimate, but becuase it would leave that candidate open for attacks they would never recover from.
So, maybe Obama if he gets elected......
Right after 911, Howard Dean came right out and admitted that many were aware of the attacks ahead of time- the white house received details 6 weeks ahead and did nothing.
This prompted Bush to come out and say that CTer were playing politics.
The media branded him crazy. Just like that. Dean couldn't get in front of a camera anymore. Weird, huh? He was labeled as a nut - because he pointed out that someone knew about the murder of 3000 and let it happen. Silly.
So yeah, Obama, Kerry, Gore have all questioned the story, as have many others. It's political suicide to bring it up because yes, the media is influenced. They don't "report with duty and honor". They are a business in bed with the govt, there is no denying that.
You watch how energized the 911 truth movement becomes in 2009. Especially if Obama wins. There are millions of repubs who are upset about 911 who are going to vote dem - that cannot be denied. BB and I have argued this - he says 911 has zero effect on voters. That's just plain blindness. You have hundreds of homemade docmentaries out there- many from people who admit they are republicans.
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Right after 911, Howard Dean came right out and admitted that many were aware of the attacks ahead of time- the white house received details 6 weeks ahead and did nothing.
This prompted Bush to come out and say that CTer were playing politics.
The media branded him crazy. Just like that. Dean couldn't get in front of a camera anymore. Weird, huh? He was labeled as a nut - because he pointed out that someone knew about the murder of 3000 and let it happen. Silly.
So yeah, Obama, Kerry, Gore have all questioned the story, as have many others. It's political suicide to bring it up because yes, the media is influenced. They don't "report with duty and honor". They are a business in bed with the govt, there is no denying that.
You watch how energized the 911 truth movement becomes in 2009. Especially if Obama wins. There are millions of repubs who are upset about 911 who are going to vote dem - that cannot be denied. BB and I have argued this - he says 911 has zero effect on voters. That's just plain blindness. You have hundreds of homemade docmentaries out there- many from people who admit they are republicans.
Got any links on what Dean is quoted as saying?
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Got any links on what Dean is quoted as saying?
nah, I'm sure youtube has it.
Reporter asks Bush "do you have any comment on Gov Dean's comments that you knew about the 911 attacks ahead of time and allowed them to happen".
Response was something like "there's a time for politics."
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nah, I'm sure youtube has it.
Reporter asks Bush "do you have any comment on Gov Dean's comments that you knew about the 911 attacks ahead of time and allowed them to happen".
Response was something like "there's a time for politics."
What about a link to that one about bush being asked about dean?