Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[England_1]

but dorian loses 7 of the 8 mandatory poses, so its really futile.

ps If you watch the 99 olympia prejudging, I am pretty sure Ronnie can eclipse that back relaxed shot.

Put your crack pipe down.

Dorian was complete from head to toe in 1993. He was 260lbs of rock hard muscle. He didn't have the cuts of Coleman, but that wouldn't be enough to push Coleman over the top because Coleman was not as complete. His physique was lacking compared to Diesel.

[Hulkster]

LOL HI ND.

you are making the same ridiculous argument that ND made.

guess what? Porter Cotrell was pretty damn complete too (more complete than Ronnie) and he would get crushed.

being "complete" doesn't help you if most of your bodyparts, taper and mandatory poses are NOT as good.

for reasons like detail, vascularity, shape etc.

lol

dorian's "completeness" doesn't help him ONE BIT does it?:

[bizzy]

Ron in 99 was incredible.
1st two are screen caps off youtube
from the British GP. Notice the relaxed shot from the back.
Incredible width down to a miniscule waist. I shed a little light
on Hulksters 99 side chest pic. I do this as well with any pics
that are too dark including Dorian's.

[bizzy]

Dorian looks better with the lights up a bit too.
Added just a bit of sharpening also.

[Iceman1981]

No, he said he was unbeatable compared to his contemporaries i.e. 2001 crap competitors

What you and pictures can never take into account is what I call "shock factor." When the judges saw Dorian in 1993 they probably shit their pants. I believe Dorian makes a greater first impression because he was diesel brick of muscle. He was denser than a golden nugget. Coleman was just as big, but held more water and was softer, eventhough he had more cuts.

I guess you can't read either. Here is what Peter said:

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

“Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.”

Learn to read before you type your nonsense.

[natural al]

hulkster...honestly....h ow many more miles do you want to get out of the 99 screen shots....Jesus Christ man, they need to ban your ass from posting those already, if you haven't made your point with them by now........every fucking post has the same pics over and over again.

you need some medical attention sir.

[Matt C]

23" calves, in your face.

How's this for detail, hulky 

Oh, and Dorian is unbeatable in the back relaxed pose 

Ronnie is way bigger though and while the back detail and calves may not be there, that size definitely counts for something.  Also, don't forget Ronnie's hamstrings would be a grade up from Dorian's.

They were both excellent bodybuilders and Dorian does beat Ronnie in some ways, just not overall - not in my opinion at least.

Also, all this talk about Ronnie in 1999 leads me to believe that the consensus is that Ronnie in 1999 was better than Ronnie in 2003, and I would disagree with that.

[bizzy]

2003 Ronnie was very dominating which counts for alot
in competition. He dominated 2003 more than 1999.
He gained a huge stomach which he held nicely in his poses.
He lost asthetics as far as shoulder to waist ratio.
He lost quite a bit of definition in the back poses compared to 99
and his quad to calves became disproportioned.
Compare most musculars and you can see that not all the weight
gain was quality. Many feel the same as you and I completely understand
why they would feel that way. He set a new standard in 2003 but one
that I think was a step backwards for his physique compared to 1999.

[Hulkster]

He set a new standard in 2003 but one
that I think was a step backwards for his physique compared to 1999.

agree totally:

[bizzy]

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[England_1]

Dorian owning Ronnie on legs - I mean what good are quads if you don't flex them LOL

[bizzy]

Amazing his triceps were still striated at that weight!!

[bizzy]

Amazing what happens when he is actually flexing them
in a pose....

[Hulkster]

ronnie's quads back then were amazing

[England_1]

I seriously cannot believe one of you used the argument that Ronnie was bigger at the 01ASC than Yates because his head appeared smaller  Flex and Ronnie had very similarly sized noggins. Look at Yates' compared to Flex's, looks massive. Yates was simply bigger, in all aspects. Flex never had a chance.

[IceCold]

interesting comparison.

flex got bigger but puffier.

and ronnie 99 is owning dorian as usual!

thats the thing: dorian look great in 93. but he wasn't standing next to 1999 Ronnie Coleman, which changes everything.

its all relative.

for once, you're making sense - but your confused.

no, dorian never stood next to a 99 coleman.

but, ronnie never stood next to anyone of the guys yates beat at their best.

ronnie almost lost to a very shitty flex in 98, yet yates beat flex at his best.

ronnie beat jay, dext, gunter, while yates beat nasser, paul, shawn, kevin, and flex - perhaps the greatest bunch of pros EVER.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

put ronnie against the guys that dorian beat in the same condition, and the outcome could be different.

you're only as good as your competition.

[England_1]

Did Hulkster really claim that Ronnie had more detailed calves than Dorian? 

[England_1]

Dorian's glutes are more ripped as well.

[bizzy]

I posted this in another thread and didn't get much of a response.
There are alot of Yates fans here that give passionate reasons why
they believe Yates is better than Coleman; so here's my post...

I know this term started with Dorian but what
would actually be a good definition of the term
Grainy? What causes it? Genetics? Training Style, ect?
There are a few things in photoshop that makes bodybuilders
look more grainy. They are in the filter section and are sharpen
and sharpen more. Here are a couple of Coleman pics that are
unshopped to my knowledge where I think he looks
somewhat grainy; although he's not known for that characteristic.
I will also post 3 pics of Dorian with just the regular pic
then sharpened...
then sharpened more...
Once again, what is the definition for grainy and how is it achieved?

[bizzy]

Regular pic...
Sharpened
Sharpened more... Even his face looks grainy in the 3rd pic...

[suckmymuscle]

hulkster...honestly....how many more miles do you want to get out of the 99 screen shots....Jesus Christ man, they need to ban your ass from posting those already, if you haven't made your point with them by now........every fucking post has the same pics over and over again.

you need some medical attention sir.

  Yes, posting those same shots from 1999 is Hulkster's reply to everything. No ability to formulate a logical argument that has validity when taking into consideration what judges value in a contest.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Yes, posting those same shots from 1999 is Hulkster's reply to everything. No ability to formulate a logical argument that has validity when taking into consideration what judges value in a contest.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

okay "Mr. striations, detail and vascularity" are not considered..

[Hulkster]

Dorian's glutes are more ripped as well.

yup, because thats a 98 Ronnie shot. not a 99 one.

99 Ronnie was more detailed in the lower body (glutes, hams, calves, quads).

I know retard ND will deny this to the death, but the fact is, its clear as day:

[England_1]

okay "Mr. striations, detail and vascularity" are not considered..

He never said that. He simply states that harness trumps all of those factors. This is proven correct by contest results and Ronnie being defeated every single time 

[Hulkster]

notice the deep cuts on 99 Ronnie's quads notably absent (as noted by Ironman's Lonnie Teper) in the 98 version the year before.

hell, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this.

both videos were on youtube for a while.

we all saw it then.

ND, like everyone says, is just making a fool out of himself.