Is Obama a Marxist, Communist, or Socialist?

[Decker]

Oh I forgot - which states are in the worst shape in this country???  The ones run by who??

Californria, NJ, NY, MI, etc are all high tax states all in the whole because they are run by socialists like Bush, Pelosi, Obambi, Corzine, et al.   Bush is no conservative. 

He is DAMIEN THORN!!!!!!!!!

The republican fallacy that Gov. is the problem and is inherently incompetent is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Reagan and Bush wanted to prove gov.'s incompetence by installing incompetent people in important governmental slots.

That's why Brownie the horse lawyer ended up in charge of FEMA.

Does everyone see this?  Are we in agreement about this fundamental fact of republican governance?

If not, look to the 1930s and 40s when government was stocked with the best and brightest.  Look at the achievements.  We were the envy of the world.

[Relentless]

Barack Obama is the Lord Jesus Christ.  I love Barack with my heart and soul.

[Soul Crusher]

Sure, if your facist kind would tell me what what "worst shape" means... Saying that which 3333386 said is really nothing you shuld be proud of. If I were a republican I would'n back his comments.

CA is looking for a bailout from the fed govt because it is broke due to spending too much.  NY is the highest taxed state in the nation where I live.  Tax hell.

NJ just got the worst rating for business taxes in the nation.

Liberals like yourself who dont pay taxes could care less.  The rest of us who pay for you do.

[Slapper]

CA is looking for a bailout from the fed govt because it is broke due to spending too much.  NY is the highest taxed state in the nation where I live.  Tax hell.[/i]

I live in Westchester county, in the very same hamlet Hillary and Bill live in. I pay close to 15 grand per year in property taxes alone. I love this county. I love the school system (one of the best in the country). The streets are clean beyond belief. The people are warm and friendly. Every dirt spot is filled with flowers from the local "old hoes" club. You can basically eat off of the floor, kids have about a million activities and the community is well organized: The Chappaqua library hosts informative talks with many prominent intellectuals about anything you can think of, from turning your house into a "green" house with solar panels and all to why Bush is the biggest republican fuckup, etc. Do I mind paying my fair share? Not for a second!! 

NJ just got the worst rating for business taxes in the nation.

Do I give a shit about business taxes? Nope. In any case, Jersey City has "attracted" most of the companies that are quickly leaving Manhattan, so the taxes can't be THAT bad.

Liberals like yourself who dont pay taxes could care less.  The rest of us who pay for you do.

No, that's the thing, I do pay taxes. It's your fascist kind that thinks otherwise, so akin to generalizations and reducing everything to whether something is profitable or not. Like I said, $ 15,000 alone in property taxes. Last year my wife and I paid about $ 30,000 in taxes. Do I mind? No. Do I care where my tax dollars are spent? You betcha!

You see, the local municipality... I got nothing to worry about with them, if they pass a mandate we do not like, we, the community, grill them in the town halls and they happily comply since they know WE are the boss. State laws are a little harder to fight because there is no face, no single individual to fight with, but we usually find "common ground". It's the federal government I have the biggest beef with. They collect the most money from me and I have no say whatsoever in how those taxes are distributed.

You see, I, like the immense majority of gringos, would like to see all that money being spent in Iraq brought back home and put to good use here in the U.S.A. If that is wrong... then I don't wanna be right.

In the end, we're all soldiers in the army of the Lord.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The politicians are accountable to their consitituencies:  They bring home the bacon.  Fed. Spending means more jobs.  The people love more jobs.  That gets them to vote.  You just don't like that fact.  It's the people, not the system.
 67% of amercian large corporations pay ZERO in taxes.  In fact, they get money back due to creative accounting.  ZERO in taxes.  The income tax a wonderfully divisive tax b/c the true blue bloods make their money in capital gains and not earned income.  The right wingers, such as yourself, exploit this by claiming those in the top marginal bracket are not rich.  And you are correct to an extent.  To get a truly fair share of tax from the plutocrats, a wealth tax should be implemented.

I know what you mean by accountability.  It's not accountability to the people.  It's accountability to BrixtonBulldog and his demagoguery.  I'm sorry if the people do not share your extreme rightwing beliefs when it comes to gov. spending, but they don't.  If you don't like it, vote and create a coalition to change the tax system.

Government is not automatically wasteful ipso facto.  Gov. is much more efficient than private business in many administrative respectes--especially SS administration compared to private insurers.  The gov. is huge.  Bigger than most could imagine.

Oh my god.  Now you sound like the "true socialism has never been tried yet" crowd.  I follow the Burkean idea of what a conservative is or should be.  I have no idea from what think tank sewer you dredge your interpretations. 

We have accountability.  The politicians bring home federal spending which means jobs.  The people love jobs.  So they vote the politician back into office to bring home more federal spending.  I think your problem lies with the selfish, irresponsible People.

The worst of everything....  Yeah, b/c stopping an illegal war/occupation or guaranteeing insurance for the uninsured are  really examples of Obama's self-serving exploitation of the american public.

Those "extreme right wing beliefs" are the same ones Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and the like founded the country on, dumb shit.

Of course businesses don't pay taxes.  They pass them on to consumers.  The object behind business is to make a profit not pay for other people to get handouts.  That was the whole idea behind free market capitalism creating prosperity.. don't know if anyone told you that.

And thinking gov't spending creates jobs is absurd.  Private enterprise creates jobs.  C'mon, I know you're not that dumb.  We don't have accountability, we have socialists attempting to decide what other people should do with their own money (you) and voting people into office who serve this purpose. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

Median household income:

States ranked by median household income in order
Median Household Income by State: 2007 [1]

Maryland – $68,080
New Jersey – $67,035
Connecticut – $65,967
Alaska – $64,333
Hawaii – $63,746
New Hampshire – $62,369
Massachusetts – $62,365
California – $59,948
Virginia – $59,562
Minnesota – $55,082
Washington – $55,591
Colorado – $55,212
Utah – $55,109
Nevada – $55,062
Delaware – $54,610
District of Columbia – $54,317
Illinois – $54,124
Rhode Island – $53,568
New York – $53,514
Wyoming – $51,731
United States of America – $50,740
Wisconsin – $50,578
Vermont – $49,907
Arizona – $49,889
Georgia – $49,136
Oregon – $48,730
Pennsylvania – $48,576
Michigan – $47,950
Florida – $47,804
Texas – $47,548
Kansas – $47,451
Indiana – $47,448
Iowa – $47,292
Nebraska – $47,085
Ohio – $46,597
Idaho – $46,253
Maine – $45,888
Missouri – $45,114
North Carolina – $44,670
North Dakota – $43,753
Montana – $43,531
South Dakota – $43,424
South Carolina – $43,329
Tennessee – $42,367
Oklahoma – $41,567
New Mexico – $41,452
Louisiana – $40,926
Alabama – $40,554
Kentucky – $40,267
Arkansas – $38,134
West Virginia – $37,060
Mississippi – $36,338
Puerto Rico – $17,741

Democrat states are doing baaaaaad man!

You do da math.

Sure, I'll do the math.

$47K in Florida will get you farther than $68K in Maryland due to costs of living and taxes in the Peoples Democratic Republic of MD.  Gotta love these blue states..

[Decker]

Those "extreme right wing beliefs" are the same ones Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and the like founded the country on, dumb shit.

Not really Buddy.  Check your history again.  Your right wing nonsense is not jeffersonian just b/c you shout, "small government"....that ship sailed decades ago and it ain't coming back.  And today is 2008 not 1775,  times change and so do philosophies.  Try to philosophize in this century.

Of course businesses don't pay taxes.  They pass them on to consumers.  The object behind business is to make a profit not pay for other people to get handouts.  That was the whole idea behind free market capitalism creating prosperity.. don't know if anyone told you that.

Wrong-O Mary Lou, businesses pay taxes.  If the businesses pass the cost of taxation on to the consumer, that's fine with me.  Why?  B/c that's like insurance where the cost of coverage is spread amongst the many instead of being borne by a few.  So the money paid by the consumers patronizing the corporation is in turn used to pay gov taxes which are then allocated according to the needs of the people.

Free market capitalism does not need any rationale behind it for implementation b/c FMC is merely the law of the jungle.  I don't know if anyone's told you that--pure free market capitalism is predatory to its bone.

And thinking gov't spending creates jobs is absurd.  Private enterprise creates jobs.  C'mon, I know you're not that dumb.  We don't have accountability, we have socialists attempting to decide what other people should do with their own money (you) and voting people into office who serve this purpose. 

The government is the country's largest employer.  Doesn't that sound like job creation to you?  That's gov. spending to create jobs.

When is the last time this country had a quasi-socialist president?  You know, one that removes 'accountability.'

Do you understand that the concept of government rests on the idea that ALL GOVERNMENTS REDISTRIBUTE NATIONAL WEALTH ACCORDING TO the PERCEIVED NEED of THE PEOPLE?

Can we clear that up right now?

[Soul Crusher]

Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the nation.  In fact, look it up for yourself, the lower hudson region has lost more young people than any other region in the country due the high costs and taxes.

BTW - maybe you dont realize this, but the high taxes make your home less marketable now.   

[Soul Crusher]

Not really Buddy.  Check your history again.  Your right wing nonsense is not jeffersonian just b/c you shout, "small government"....that ship sailed decades ago and it ain't coming back.  And today is 2008 not 1775,  times change and so do philosophies.  Try to philosophize in this century.
Wrong-O Mary Lou, businesses pay taxes.  If the businesses pass the cost of taxation on to the consumer, that's fine with me.  Why?  B/c that's like insurance where the cost of coverage is spread amongst the many instead of being borne by a few.  So the money paid by the consumers patronizing the corporation is in turn used to pay gov taxes which are then allocated according to the needs of the people.

Free market capitalism does not need any rationale behind it for implementation b/c FMC is merely the law of the jungle.  I don't know if anyone's told you that--pure free market capitalism is predatory to its bone.
The government is the country's largest employer.  Doesn't that sound like job creation to you?  That's gov. spending to create jobs.

When is the last time this country had a quasi-socialist president?  You know, one that removes 'accountability.'

Do you understand that the concept of government rests on the idea that ALL GOVERNMENTS REDISTRIBUTE NATIONAL WEALTH ACCORDING TO the PERCEIVED NEED of THE PEOPLE?

Can we clear that up right now?

The govt jobs are mostly nothing more than another form of welfare and patronage.  Most agencies are bloated, inept, inefficient, and could easily do with 50% cut across the board. 

Your last sentence is pure communistic garbage.  Taking from me to give to someone else is called theft by any other name.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Not really Buddy.  Check your history again.  Your right wing nonsense is not jeffersonian just b/c you shout, "small government"....that ship sailed decades ago and it ain't coming back.  And today is 2008 not 1775,  times change and so do philosophies.  Try to philosophize in this century.
Wrong-O Mary Lou, businesses pay taxes.  If the businesses pass the cost of taxation on to the consumer, that's fine with me.  Why?  B/c that's like insurance where the cost of coverage is spread amongst the many instead of being borne by a few.  So the money paid by the consumers patronizing the corporation is in turn used to pay gov taxes which are then allocated according to the needs of the people.

Free market capitalism does not need any rationale behind it for implementation b/c FMC is merely the law of the jungle.  I don't know if anyone's told you that--pure free market capitalism is predatory to its bone.
The government is the country's largest employer.  Doesn't that sound like job creation to you?  That's gov. spending to create jobs.

When is the last time this country had a quasi-socialist president?  You know, one that removes 'accountability.'

Do you understand that the concept of government rests on the idea that ALL GOVERNMENTS REDISTRIBUTE NATIONAL WEALTH ACCORDING TO the PERCEIVED NEED of THE PEOPLE?

Can we clear that up right now?

So because the US is wealthier, more populated, and more powerful than ever we should sacrifice the conservative principles of the founding fathers for socialism?  I think not.

That's what I meant when I said that businesses don't pay taxes.  Every time libs seek to tax the shit out of business (Obama is all about doing this) all it does it hurt consumers, esp low and middle classes.  

Do you not understand the the gov't is continually finding more and more reasons to take more tax payer money?  No one is more guilty of this than dems who never want to let the people keep more of their own money and shrink wasteful elements of gov't.  Just because services and funding come out of taxes in no way means the gov't should continually looking for MORE reasons to take more of my paycheck or expand to the grossly overweight level it has reached today.  This is especially true when we don't need hugely wasteful and bureaucratic gov't programs sucking tax dollars for politicians to spend on people who don't deserve it.  Why should we have to pay to bail out poor business practices, pay for people who don't work, or pay for benefits for illegal immigrants?  That is all money we could have kept.

[Decker]

The govt jobs are mostly nothing more than another form of welfare and patronage.  Most agencies are bloated, inept, inefficient, and could easily do with 50% cut across the board. 

Your last sentence is pure communistic garbage.  Taking from me to give to someone else is called theft by any other name.

Don't take this the wrong way but you are delusional.  I can't think of one sane man that would characterize the fundamental operation of government taxation as stealing.  You've divorced yourself from the reality of what a government is and what it does.

50% cuts?  Why not 100%.  In fact, let's dissolve the government entirely.  Let's get rid of these quaint notions of law and order.  Let's go with free market governance!  Where men are free, justice comes at the end of a gun barrel and everyone gets what they deserve!

Now that's some fucking Disneyland.

[The Luke]

Decker hits it out of the park once again!

Brixtonbulldog, ideological discussions are for smart people.



The Luke

[Decker]

So because the US is wealthier, more populated, and more powerful than ever we should sacrifice the conservative principles of the founding fathers for socialism?  I think not.

The last time those principles worked was when the country was an aggregation of farmers and puritans battling Indians....I'm sorry, Native Americans.   Times change and so do philosophies.

If 1775 ever comes back, you'll have the answers.

That's what I meant when I said that businesses don't pay taxes.  Every time libs seek to tax the shit out of business (Obama is all about doing this) all it does it hurt consumers, esp low and middle classes.  

How is Obama seeking to tax the shit out of business?  Didn't he claim that we'd shut down tax loopholes?

Do you not understand the the gov't is continually finding more and more reasons to take more tax payer money?  No one is more guilty of this than dems who never want to let the people keep more of their own money and shrink wasteful elements of gov't.  Just because services and funding come out of taxes in no way means the gov't should continually looking for MORE reasons to take more of my paycheck or expand to the grossly overweight level it has reached today.  This is especially true when we don't need hugely wasteful and bureaucratic gov't programs sucking tax dollars for politicians to spend on people who don't deserve it.  Why should we have to pay to bail out poor business practices, pay for people who don't work, or pay for benefits for illegal immigrants?  That is all money we could have kept.

I understand that politicians need to reign in spending for the common good.

However, the common good is characterized as "Socialism" or "Communism" by your political ilk.  Selfishness and 'gov. is the enemy' holds sway over a great number of our fellow americans.  They couldn't sacrifice for this country if they had a fucking gun to their heads.  When a politician brings home federal spending--his constituents eat it up like candy.  It becomes a vicious cycle.

Then those same people complain about another state's spending.  The problem is the people and not the system.

Why do we pay for bail outs?  B/c the crooks that run the financial scheme knew that by roping in 'joe six pack' the government would have to step in and guarantee the unsecured mortgages.  By involving a good portion of the american public in the crime, it became the perfect crime.  It's too big to fail without wrecking our nation's economy.  Same thing happened with the S&L scandal.  A different Bush, but the same result.

Welfare works.  The vast majority of people are on welfare temporarily.  For an economy, such as ours, that depends on a plastic/elastic workforce which NECESSITATES an unemployment rate btn 1-5%, welfare is the right thing to do.  Without that 1-5% unemployment, inflation would set in and we'd be in a mess.

[Slapper]

Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the nation.  In fact, look it up for yourself, the lower hudson region has lost more young people than any other region in the country due the high costs and taxes.

BTW - maybe you dont realize this, but the high taxes make your home less marketable now.

 

Holy shiiiit!!

 

YOU ARE TELLING ME!!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!

Lookey here homeboy, I just told you: I, MEANING ME, OTHERWISE KNOWN TO MYSELF AS MYSELF, pay close to $15,000 in property taxes per year and I DO NOT MIND. These tax moneys are being put to good use (education, cleaning up streets, etc). I know this not because you're just informing me of it, I KNOW IT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Meaning I've lived and are living through it.

I know there are few "young people" around here, but that is because there isn't really anything to do around this neck of the woods except hiking, cycling and raising your kids. Yes, it is a VERY expensive place to live in, but I LOOOOOOOOOOVE it. We are a very active community and I LOOOOOOOOOVE it. I LOOOOOOOVE seeing those 15 grand coming out of my pocket and being put to good use. I LOOOOOOVE it. I love it for many reasons, one of them is that my kids will get topnotch education, will travel around the world a few times before yours venture out to Panama City to get drunk, etc.

And I do not give two shits that the marketability of my house is not as attractive as many other places because of the high taxes. In fact, that is precisely why many open minded professionals like myself move to this hamlet: raise kids in a stable environment so that they do not end up hanging people from trees and get the best of educations so that they don't make they "high-caliber" observations you just made.

[Slapper]

Sure, I'll do the math.

$47K in Florida will get you farther than $68K in Maryland due to costs of living and taxes in the Peoples Democratic Republic of MD.  Gotta love these blue states..

Well, you do have choices: Move to Florida.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The last time those principles worked was when the country was an aggregation of farmers and puritans battling Indians....I'm sorry, Native Americans.   Times change and so do philosophies.

If 1775 ever comes back, you'll have the answers.
 How is Obama seeking to tax the shit out of business?  Didn't he claim that we'd shut down tax loopholes?
I understand that politicians need to reign in spending for the common good.

However, the common good is characterized as "Socialism" or "Communism" by your political ilk.  Selfishness and 'gov. is the enemy' holds sway over a great number of our fellow americans.  They couldn't sacrifice for this country if they had a fucking gun to their heads.  When a politician brings home federal spending--his constituents eat it up like candy.  It becomes a vicious cycle.

Then those same people complain about another state's spending.  The problem is the people and not the system.

Why do we pay for bail outs?  B/c the crooks that run the financial scheme knew that by roping in 'joe six pack' the government would have to step in and guarantee the unsecured mortgages.  By involving a good portion of the american public in the crime, it became the perfect crime.  It's too big to fail without wrecking our nation's economy.  Same thing happened with the S&L scandal.  A different Bush, but the same result.

Welfare works.  The vast majority of people are on welfare temporarily.  For an economy, such as ours, that depends on a plastic/elastic workforce which NECESSITATES an unemployment rate btn 1-5%, welfare is the right thing to do.  Without that 1-5% unemployment, inflation would set in and we'd be in a mess.

The founders constructed the principles of this country to be timeless.  And frankly the more those principles are allowed to flourish the better of we are.  We skyrocketed to the #1 most successful nation in a mere 200 years under those principles.  Unfortunately you scum bags have been throwing wrenches in free society for 40 years.  This economic mess initiated by liberals and continued by liberals is a perfect example.  We do not HAVE to bail out anyone.  Failing businesses should fail and vv...  Period.  Bailing out failures only tells investors that bad business practices and pure corporate greed will be saved by the all-powerful gov't and therefore become more reluctant to invest for fear of reckless and cowboy executives.  This is hammered home when those in gov't that encouraged or even caused the failures are not brought to justice (frank, reed, etc).  That was proven today along with a few more free market principles. 

And don't act like Obama isn't going after big business which, coincidently, is a large part of why this country is as great as it is.  They're just another "evil" corporate entity to everyone in his constituency seeking to take a slice for themselves in the false name of "fairness."  I'm sure your side will get your wish as liberals continue to make the US more and more hostile to successful business they will continue to move overseas.  There goes all those jobs you mentioned.

Please, you don't know jack about sacrificing for your country.  You're probably in the bottom 40% that doesn't even pay taxes.  Welfare doesn't work.  It must be another proven principle that has failed you.  If you subsidize failure you will get more of it.  Baltimore is testament to that fact.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well, you do have choices: Move to Florida.

That's alright.  We're about to vote Ehrlich back into office and watch baltimores libs slit their wrists, lol.

[w8tlftr]

That's alright.  We're about to vote Ehrlich back into office and watch baltimores libs slit their wrists, lol.

Sweeet. Keep the dream alive.

[Soul Crusher]

Holy shiiiit!!

 

YOU ARE TELLING ME!!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!

Lookey here homeboy, I just told you: I, MEANING ME, OTHERWISE KNOWN TO MYSELF AS MYSELF, pay close to $15,000 in property taxes per year and I DO NOT MIND. These tax moneys are being put to good use (education, cleaning up streets, etc). I know this not because you're just informing me of it, I KNOW IT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Meaning I've lived and are living through it.

I know there are few "young people" around here, but that is because there isn't really anything to do around this neck of the woods except hiking, cycling and raising your kids. Yes, it is a VERY expensive place to live in, but I LOOOOOOOOOOVE it. We are a very active community and I LOOOOOOOOOVE it. I LOOOOOOOVE seeing those 15 grand coming out of my pocket and being put to good use. I LOOOOOOVE it. I love it for many reasons, one of them is that my kids will get topnotch education, will travel around the world a few times before yours venture out to Panama City to get drunk, etc.

And I do not give two shits that the marketability of my house is not as attractive as many other places because of the high taxes. In fact, that is precisely why many open minded professionals like myself move to this hamlet: raise kids in a stable environment so that they do not end up hanging people from trees and get the best of educations so that they don't make they "high-caliber" observations you just made.


How elitest of you.  So the poor people in yonkers and mt. vernon do not deserve as good an education than your kids because they can't afford it right??  Screw them right???  How about your kids get bussed to /yonkers or /new /rochelle and have to play nice with the minorities like Judge Sand made the people of yonkers?

You would be the first person to scream about it yet people like yourself pointed the finger of racism to the people in middle class people in Yonkers who objected to this social engineering.

 

[Decker]

The founders constructed the principles of this country to be timeless.  And frankly the more those principles are allowed to flourish the better of we are.  We skyrocketed to the #1 most successful nation in a mere 200 years under those principles.  Unfortunately you scum bags have been throwing wrenches in free society for 40 years. 

Hahaha.  And when, my precious little Brixton, did the US become a world leader?  Was it in the 1770s....the 1870s...or after FDR's socialist reign which catapulted this country into world power status.

Do take your time answering that question, b/c I know you will not like the answer.  C'mon, it's easy.  I already gave you a hint above.

This economic mess initiated by liberals and continued by liberals is a perfect example.  We do not HAVE to bail out anyone.  Failing businesses should fail and vv...  Period.  Bailing out failures only tells investors that bad business practices and pure corporate greed will be saved by the all-powerful gov't and therefore become more reluctant to invest for fear of reckless and cowboy executives.  This is hammered home when those in gov't that encouraged or even caused the failures are not brought to justice (frank, reed, etc).  That was proven today along with a few more free market principles. 

The unsecured housing scandal is a product of unchecked selfinterest, i.e., greed.  That's the foundation ofyour rightwing capitalistic bullshit.

Then you pathetically project your insanities upon the democrats.  I do agree with you on the bailout.  I think it should be a bottom-up pay out and not a top down payout.  However, since the super vast majority of the 700 billion bailout is directed at private bankers (not freddie and fannie), they hold more sway with out politicians than joe six pack.

And don't act like Obama isn't going after big business which, coincidently, is a large part of why this country is as great as it is.  They're just another "evil" corporate entity to everyone in his constituency seeking to take a slice for themselves in the false name of "fairness."  I'm sure your side will get your wish as liberals continue to make the US more and more hostile to successful business they will continue to move overseas.  There goes all those jobs you mentioned.

This country WAS great b/c the people came together during the FDR years to rise up and make us a world power.  The 1950s were the product of that united effort.  The single greatest decade of middle class prosperity due to national effort...not the effort of big business screwing its workforce to maximize profits in the hands of the CEOs.

Please, you don't know jack about sacrificing for your country.  You're probably in the bottom 40% that doesn't even pay taxes.  Welfare doesn't work.  It must be another proven principle that has failed you.  If you subsidize failure you will get more of it.  Baltimore is testament to that fact.

If you want to engage in personal attacks, ok.

But you are like a lot of other rightwingers on this web site.  You have no idea what you're talking about but yet you push  UNSUPPORTED conclusions that merely show your own prejudice.

Sorry sunshine, Welfare does work.  "Baltimore is testament to that fact"  ?  If by 'testament', you mean testimony, you're full of shit again.  I'm discussing AFDC and you bring up a city.

You can't even respond to this stuff intelligently so I'll have to carry your sorry ass once again.

In the 1920s, when laissez faire economics (unregulated free market) brought this country to its knees--1/2 of all americans could not make ends meet (ends meet is not a cheap cut of meat fyi)--with the great depression, FDR's social spending saved us.  By the 1950s, poverty was reduced to 20%.  After Johnson's Great Society in the 1970s, poverty was further reduced to about 10%.

Most recipients are off of the welfare rolls within a year...50-60% within a year.

And since your precious capitalistic system necessarily requires 1-5% of the workforce to be UNEMPLOYED, don't you think it's wise to keep the worker pool intact with welfare?

[Brixtonbulldog]

Hahaha.  And when, my precious little Brixton, did the US become a world leader?  Was it in the 1770s....the 1870s...or after FDR's socialist reign which catapulted this country into world power status.

Do take your time answering that question, b/c I know you will not like the answer.  C'mon, it's easy.  I already gave you a hint above.
 The unsecured housing scandal is a product of unchecked selfinterest, i.e., greed.  That's the foundation ofyour rightwing capitalistic bullshit.

Then you pathetically project your insanities upon the democrats.  I do agree with you on the bailout.  I think it should be a bottom-up pay out and not a top down payout.  However, since the super vast majority of the 700 billion bailout is directed at private bankers (not freddie and fannie), they hold more sway with out politicians than joe six pack.

This country WAS great b/c the people came together during the FDR years to rise up and make us a world power.  The 1950s were the product of that united effort.  The single greatest decade of middle class prosperity due to national effort...not the effort of big business screwing its workforce to maximize profits in the hands of the CEOs.
If you want to engage in personal attacks, ok.

But you are like a lot of other rightwingers on this web site.  You have no idea what you're talking about but yet you push  UNSUPPORTED conclusions that merely show your own prejudice.

Sorry sunshine, Welfare does work.  "Baltimore is testament to that fact"  ?  If by 'testament', you mean testimony, you're full of shit again.  I'm discussing AFDC and you bring up a city.

You can't even respond to this stuff intelligently so I'll have to carry your sorry ass once again.

In the 1920s, when laissez faire economics (unregulated free market) brought this country to its knees--1/2 of all americans could not make ends meet (ends meet is not a cheap cut of meat fyi)--with the great depression, FDR's social spending saved us.  By the 1950s, poverty was reduced to 20%.  After Johnson's Great Society in the 1970s, poverty was further reduced to about 10%.

Most recipients are off of the welfare rolls within a year...50-60% within a year.

And since your precious capitalistic system necessarily requires 1-5% of the workforce to be UNEMPLOYED, don't you think it's wise to keep the worker pool intact with welfare?

If you could pick time periods, which you really can't, I would say after the Span/Am War and then again after WW2 when was production moved to manufacturing.  If you want to give the same prez that failed to end the depression credit for that than I think it's pretty clear you have no objectivity.  Those "laissez faire" economics would have done well to end the depression but to you libs your kind can do no wrong.  Again, typical.  And now we're cursed with many of the pathetic policies of that era including the regular theft of huge chunks of our paychecks.  Dems have spent decades trying to get everyone to be able to vote and now this country's political system is undermined by those who "vote" for the gov't to give them other peoples money.  The founding fathers never meant for this country to operate that way either but here come all your kind to take from those who actually produce, contribute, influence, and often succeed by doing so.  Democrats love the american dream up to $250k, then your to be publicly flogged.

UH-oh.. here comes the "evil capitalists" again. hahahahah.. moron.

How is 50% "most"?  Of course I would bring up a city but god forbid you have to acknowledge that failure of welfare by taking a hard look at a prime example.  And then you further show your ignorance by claiming those on welfare are the "worker pool" ?!!?  lol, what ass bag.  So many choose to STAY on welfare. Why work when you can get PAID and scrimp by?  I think it's hilarious you bring up unemployment and yet you thank FDR for making us "better."  Fail

[The Luke]

Decker is right Brixtonbulldog.

Read my previous post in this thread regarding the FACT that socialism has allowed all many European countries to overtake America.

Japan, a country America DEFEATED in 1945; economically ruined and bombed to shit... overtook America from a standing start in just 45 years through socialism.

Now China, recently an overpopulated Third World country is overtaking America through a socialist mix of strictly regulated and manipulated capitalism and communist ideology.

America is sliding DOWN all the positive living indices... check the UN reports.


China? China is progressing better than America. Dude, seriously... take off the "USA #1!" giant foam finger and do a little research WITHOUT the Republican interpretive filter.


The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

Decker is right Brixtonbulldog.

Read my previous post in this thread regarding the FACT that socialism has allowed all many European countries to overtake America.

Japan, a country America DEFEATED in 1945; economically ruined and bombed to shit... overtook America from a standing start in just 45 years through socialism.

Now China, recently an overpopulated Third World country is overtaking America through a socialist mix of strictly regulated and manipulated capitalism and communist ideology.

America is sliding DOWN all the positive living indices... check the UN reports.


China? China is progressing better than America. Dude, seriously... take off the "USA #1!" giant foam finger and do a little research WITHOUT the Republican interpretive filter.


The Luke

You people are amazing.  China has slave labor, no envirinmental regs, no lawsuits, etc and you wonder why our businesses have a hard time competing???

BTW - Europe is in worse shape than we are financially and losing population due to low birth rates.  Many of those countries also have as bad immigration problems as we do.

You fools clamoring for socialism dont realize that the countries you point to have a different history, different population base, and dont apply to our country.

[The Luke]

333386,

Obviously neither you nor Brixtonbulldog read my previous post... so I'll repeat it here:
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In the aftermath of World War Two, America stood alone as the worlds sole superpower and the worlds preeminent economic power.

In the last sixty years, America has been overtaken by a plethora of newly developed countries (ie: countries that have developed since WW2). All of these countries overtaking the US have done so by adopting socialist policies and strict regulation of the capitalist factors of their economies.

Don't take my word for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

UN Human Development Index (data from 2005, published in 2007)
1*     Iceland ...becoming more socialist all the time
2*      Norway ...the MOST socialist country in the world
3*     Australia ...formerly a penal colony
4*      Canada ...formerly part of the British monarchy
5*      Ireland ...where I live, only an independent state since 1922 and chronically socialist
6*      Sweden ...chronically socialist
7*     Switzerland
8*      Japan ...nuked and bombed to shit during WW2, bounced back by dumping the Emperor for socialism
9*     Netherlands
10*      France ...chronically, fervently socialist and the butt of Republican jokes
11*      Finland ...chronically socialist
12      United States ...Go "Fuck-You" Capitalism!
13*      Spain ...formerly a dictatorship under Franco
14*      Denmark
15*      Austria
16*      United Kingdom ....a monarchy in name only, now a socialist parliamentary state
17*      Belgium ...formerly a monarchy
18*      Luxembourg
19*      New Zealand
20*      Italy ...formerly fascist under Mussolini, bounced back through socialism

...in the top twenty, the COUNTRY (not countries, but country... singular!) that isn't socialist is the United States.

Twelve SOCIALIST countries have overtaken the US since the end of WW2, is it any wonder that they are also some of the most socialist countries out there?

How are socialist countries living better than Americans with only a fraction of America's GDP?

How would the French do with America's GDP?

More importantly, who convinced Americans that socialism was something to be avoided? (FOX News?)



The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

The fact that UN publisjed that garbage means nothing.  They also ignored Darfur and genocide all over the world and have no credibility as an organization.

Most of those countries have tiny populations and dont have the issues we do.  Also, they have the many different racial and social groups we do.

Europe and the USA are two different places entirely.