how far can one get on mega doses of anabolics without gh in your opinion? 70's look at best I'm thinking..
with just anabolics you can get a perfect aesthetic body, as big or probably bigger than those in the 70s, probably with 18+ inch arms while completely shredded.
but the question is, why would you not want to run hgh? hgh has very minimal, if any sides and comes with a lot of benefits, the only downside is the price but using moderate dosages can keep the cost affordable.
also, as my esteemed friend, who happens to follow me around into every thread misquoting me, just pointed out, the hgh gut isn't from the hgh or even the insulin but rather from large influxes of carbohydrates which lead to a fatty liver and visceral fat accumulation in the abdomen. when pros run 100iu a day, using the standard formula for slin dosage of 1iu per 10 carbs consumed (though pros use it backwards, using as much slin as possible then consuming carbs as a necessity) that's 1,000 grams of carbs in a day. no one needs that many and that's what causes the horribly distended stomach as those carbs have no where to go, and high blood sugar levels are poisonous so the body removes it the only way it can - storing it as visceral fat. you can run hgh at any dosage and you won't get it, insulin is a bit different though since it's directly tied to carb intake but, with low dosages of insulin and moderate carbs (carbs is what matters here) you will never get the distended stomach from visceral fat. but if you do you can get rid of the visceral fat easily with a keto diet, or if you are lazy and impatient, dnp will remove it in about a week and a half depending on how much you have. a larger concern is adding mass to the obliques as it will ruin the v-taper, and hypertrophied obliques are essentially permanent. make sure to never directly (or at at least very minimally if you are on gear) target your obliques.