U.S. Open Brawl - Who is at fault?

[Flexb]

I never suggested that Screaming out profanity without any regard for anyone else is respectful. Are you reading the same forum as me.  I took exception with your defense of the stupid old man defending his interfering daughter causing trouble.  Just because he is old doesn't give him the right to act like an idiot and start assaulting the disrespectful in our community.  Just get up and leave and go home and put your feet up and write the day off as a bad one, dont go around playin the old tough guy, get owned and then play the Respect your elders card.  I am not defending the idiot carrying on like an arsehole in a public place, but the reaction by that fool woman and her dad.  The Old Man got what he asked for.  Whats that old saying, oh yeah, i remember now.  "There is NO Fool, like an OLD Fool"

Yea, and the kid got kicked out like he should have. Why in the world should the couple leave when they paid to be there and watch a game, without some idiot screaming in their ear?

[Flexb]

Women and the elderly want equality until you actually treat them equally. At that point, they want special treatment.

I didn't see the old man asking for special treatment. He did pick a fight with the kid after he was obviously enraged at how the kid was speaking to his daughter. She shouldn't have slapped the kid, but some people don't take kindly to being disrespected verbally like that and some people do deserve a slap depending on how foul their tongue is towards the person.
The whole situation wouldn't exist if the punk lowered his voice and respected those around him.

[The Showstoppa]

I didn't see the old man asking for special treatment. He did pick a fight with the kid after he was obviously enraged at how the kid was speaking to his daughter. She shouldn't have slapped the kid, but some people don't take kindly to being disrespected verbally like that and some people do deserve a slap depending on how foul their tongue is towards the person.
The whole situation wouldn't exist if the punk lowered his voice and respected those around him.

While I understand where you are coming from, the woman should have just found an usher and let them handle the situation.  As soon as she took it into her own hands, and especially  when she slapped the guy, all bets are off.  Can't fault the old guy, other than he needs to realize his days of bar-room brawling are far behind him.

[Mr Nobody]

 

[TacoBell]

You're an idiot. You can shut a TV off, you can't stop someone from being a loud, obnoxious idiot when you're trying to enjoy yourself unless you simply ask them to quiet down. Of course, it they're a piece of shit like yourself, you don't give a shit about anyone else so you curse and swear even louder and tell the lady to fuk herself. Like a true classless moron would.
BTW, they're at a tennis match, not a football or baseball game, so no, it's not normal to scream and swear you fukin monkey.

"If my daughter was going around stirring up trouble like that I would beat her myself.  Your belief that it is OK to assault people all because you dont like their behavior was also held by HITLER."

HAHAHA, wow, you're an idiot. You're crying about assault yet you just said you'd assault your daughter if she asked someone to quiet down who was screaming and swearing in front of her. Shoot yourself now. You're exactly what's wrong with the world, fool.

You may be unaware but this was at the night match of the US Open, which is known for being the 'rowdiest crowd in all of tennis'.  Thats the reputation, its well known amongst any tennis fan.  Anybody going to this event knows full well what type on environment they are walking into.

[Flexb]

You may be unaware but this was at the night match of the US Open, which is known for being the 'rowdiest crowd in all of tennis'.  Thats the reputation, its well known amongst any tennis fan.  Anybody going to this event knows full well what type on environment they are walking into.

that's like saying the U.S open in golf has the craziest crowd among golfing tournaments. Meanwhile, you get tossed out if you're yelling during a put or drive.

[Big Worm]

back off !

Shut up Phaggot... Before I cut that nasty sh!t off of your rotten toe!

[Radical Plato]

If the punk had of been MINDING OTHER PEOPLE, nothing would have happened in the first place. What? You think they're going to pay to get in there and leave because some punk ass puke is screaming and swearing in front of them. No, they're going to ask him to be quiet like anyone who didn't want to hear that crap would do. They were SIMPLY REACTING TO HIS NONSENSE. He started it; don't get it twisted.

Of course the grey shirt guy started it, no question about it.  But the rest aof the world aren't his parents who are their to discipline him.  My argument all along is, you dont go around assaulting people physically because you dont like to hear them swear.  It sounds like to me you have some idyllic fantasy of how the world should be, and when reality challenges that concept, you react badly.  Anybody with any life experience could tell you, that if someone like grey shirt guy is behaving in an anti social way in public and not being concerned with others, well he is not then suddenly going to respond to a polite "Please be quiet".  Come on now, the grey shirt guy is an arsehole, either deal with it, leave or dont go in the first place.  Also, what do people think they are going to get at a sporting event like tennis, from my experience the crowd occasionally gets rowdy and vocal between points.  Like I said if they want a more civilised crowd, go to the ballet or opera.  Also the grey shirt guy never started any physical confrontation, that was Miss Do - Gooder and her Dad, and I am glad old man got owned - he asked for it.  Obviously a different gayer crowd over there, but here in Australia if you go to even a local sporting event and start telling spectators to stop swearing or yelling you would get your head knocked off in short order.

[Radical Plato]

Yea, and the kid got kicked out like he should have. Why in the world should the couple leave when they paid to be there and watch a game, without some idiot screaming in their ear?

All three of them got kicked out, not just grey shirt guy.  Fat Shemale and Rocky Old Fool were also escorted out

[Parker]

This is reminscient of the black chick at McDonald's cursing...

[TacoBell]

that's like saying the U.S open in golf has the craziest crowd among golfing tournaments. Meanwhile, you get tossed out if you're yelling during a put or drive.

No, it isnt.  The US Open night event is known for rowdy behavior, it is acceptable at the night show, its kinda of a 'thing'.
Think of it like what 'Rock N Bowl' is to a bowling alley, the night match of the US Open is to tennis.  You woundt go into a bowling alley at 12am on a saturday night and start bitching that they lower the music and turn off the disco lights, its the 'thing' that goes on there at that time.

[Radical Plato]

You may be unaware but this was at the night match of the US Open, which is known for being the 'rowdiest crowd in all of tennis'.  Thats the reputation, its well known amongst any tennis fan.  Anybody going to this event knows full well what type on environment they are walking into.

Hear, Hear - It gets old these do-gooders wanting to change the world to suit their precious needs.  Fat shemale and Rocky Old Fool trying to turn a major sporting event crowd into the ballet.  I also find it amazing that she finds it unacceptable to swear loudly in a public place, but has absolutely no problem assaulting a guy physically in front of cameras and witnesses.  Amazing Hypocrisy.

[Radical Plato]

that's like saying the U.S open in golf has the craziest crowd among golfing tournaments. Meanwhile, you get tossed out if you're yelling during a put or drive.

Thats crazy comparing golf and tennis, completely different crowd and expectations.  Anyway, if you upset the officials at the tennis, they will throw you out.  Grey shirt guy just upset fat shemale and rocky old fool. Let the officials handle it, not do-gooders in the crowd.

[TacoBell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/2007-08-26-night-matches_N.htm

Heres an article from 2007.  Read it.  The night show, which is sold as a separate event, gets rowdy.  This is known, expected, and accepted.

[chaos]

LOL @ tennis spectators getting "rowdy".

[TacoBell]

LOL @ tennis spectators getting "rowdy".

 

[Flexb]

No, it isnt.  The US Open night event is known for rowdy behavior, it is acceptable at the night show, its kinda of a 'thing'.
Think of it like what 'Rock N Bowl' is to a bowling alley, the night match of the US Open is to tennis.  You woundt go into a bowling alley at 12am on a saturday night and start bitching that they lower the music and turn off the disco lights, its the 'thing' that goes on there at that time.

That's a little different than a drunken fool sitting right beside you screaming and swearing. 

[TacoBell]

That's a little different than a drunken fool sitting right beside you screaming and swearing. 

Yes, but the point is what you should expect when walking in the place.  My mother is a big tennis player/fan.  She goes to the open every year, but avoids the night match as its 'not her cup of tea'.

[Natural Man]

newsflash , there is no "justice", what happens is what is POSSIBLE, not what is "fair", everyone has his own self made view of the world, his own conception of justice. it means justice is relative, not absolute. What may seem unjust/unfair to you might be perfectly fair to someone else, and you cant do shit about it, cause opinions are like assholes , everyone has one. Will you spend your life trying to convince every single person who has a different view of the world than you to adopt yours? Everyone has a different past, background, conditionnings, what can you do about it? Everyone is the sum of his conditionnings, of what precedes him.

Being smart and mature is understanding that justice is a relative concept. And to be able to avoid annoying people, by identifying them as threats BEFORE they can have any kind of impact on your life or the one of your loved ones (im not talking about being paranoid, which is the behavior i talked about previously pushed to the extremes). And sometimes you cant avoid it. You still have to deal with it. Like you have to deal with a cancer or anything of this kind. When you do, being violent doesnt help. You have to be smarter than the morons you re forced to deal with, playing by the rules, or it could get even worse.
 You cannot control other people, you can just influence em, make them see things the way you do,  and if it doesnt work, well you have to distance yourself from em physically, this is the only "freedom" you have after all.

Now the very interesting part about all of this: the more money you have, the higher you are ranked in social classes, the less stupid people you have to deal with on a daily basis. The more educated people you meet are, the more polite and interestings are the relationships you have with em. This like many other things is direclty linked to the power of your wallet. You avoid boring, stupid, aggressive people when you have a lot of money, you have to deal with em more often when you dont.

/end of thread.

[Kim Jong Bob]

the fact is we dont know what happend before they started to filming.