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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Topic started by: Dave Czech on November 19, 2006, 01:20:13 PM
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Don't you know why was arnold on Olympia 1980 thin?As he had injured shoulder,A couldn't hard train
He it wrote in his encyclopedia
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Arnold had an injured shoulder and couldnt train hard for Mr O 1980, hence his poor condition/ining ???
Still doesnt explain how Mentzer and/or Platz got shafted and overlooked. They both should have placed ahead of Arnie, and its debatable who should've won.
He only won due to his name. Cant place the great A.S. 3rd or lower.
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Don't you know why was arnold on Olympia 1980 thin?As he had injured shoulder,A couldn't hard train
He it wrote in his encyclopedia
Don't know who why dave czech write post about olympia arnold 1980?
Doesn't make sense, does it? That's what I thought about your post. Use good grammar and I could probably answer your question. :)
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I spoke to Michael Walczak, M.D, shortly after the 1980 Olympia. He was at my gym in Connecticut giving a seminar.
The drug doctor for many of the pros at the time, he did not allow that Arnold should have one ( and he was definitely partial to Arnold) but he also stated that many of the other pros were not at their best.
In my opinion, Zane (despite a very bad injury to his urethra several weeks prior to the show), Coe, Mentzer, Tinnerino and even Roger Walker could have annexed the top spot. Roy Callender came onn strong.
Platz looked great in 1981. In 1980 he and Samir were actually quite smooth. Check out the photos, they are quite telling.
Could never understand Dickerson winning in 1982, or placing ahead of Zane ever.
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Don't know who why dave czech write post about olympia arnold 1980?
Doesn't make sense, does it? That's what I thought about your post. Use good grammar and I could probably answer your question. :)
he obviously doesn't speak english, I love reading his posts! Its not that hard of a question as to what hes asking, actually I think hes just stating a point that hes unsure about that happens to be correct.
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he obviously doesn't speak english, I love reading his posts! Its not that hard of a question as to what hes asking, actually I think hes just stating a point that hes unsure about that happens to be correct.
Ha... Ha... Ha... I know. I'm just jerkin' the guy around. :D
But to actually love reading his posts? I just can't handle reading his threads anymore.
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Ha... Ha... Ha... I know. I'm just jerkin' the guy around. :D
But to actually love reading his posts? I just can't handle reading his threads anymore.
haha i know i know but broken english is fun.
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In my opinion, Zane (despite a very bad injury to his urethra several weeks prior to the show), Coe, Mentzer, Tinnerino and even Roger Walker could have annexed the top spot. Roy Callender came onn strong.
Wow, how do you injure your urethra ???. Anyhoo, the top three at that show were clearly Mentzer, Arnold & Dickerson. Mentzer running 5th is still the biggest catastrophe in bodybuilding history, even more so than Sergio losing in Essen.
SERGIO!!!!
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In my opinion, Zane (despite a very bad injury to his urethra several weeks prior to the show), Coe, Mentzer, Tinnerino and even Roger Walker could have annexed the top spot. Roy Callender came onn strong.
Platz looked great in 1981. In 1980 he and Samir were actually quite smooth. Check out the photos, they are quite telling.
Could never understand Dickerson winning in 1982, or placing ahead of Zane ever.
Obviously politics in various contests.
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Arnold was at 70% and still good enough to beat the competition. Notice Mentzer's tiny chest!
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I remember reading something by Mentzer which he wrote that while backstage at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, seeing Arnold in his trunks backstage gave him a tremendous boost in confidence. He thought at that moment "Not only am I going to win the Olympia, but I'm also going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger!"
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I remember reading something by Mentzer which he wrote that while backstage at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, seeing Arnold in his trunks backstage gave him a tremendous boost in confidence. He thought at that moment "Not only am I going to win the Olympia, but I'm also going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger!"
Who was he fooling?
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Arnold was at 70% and still good enough to beat the competition. Notice Mentzer's tiny chest!
Just to be clear Schwarzenegger was right there with the other top guys and looked good but also had a lot of help from Weider politics. If you want to pretend that wasn't a factor, i'd like to introduce you to Santa. ;)
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don't know why they talk about boyer getting ripped off. he wasn't in the running.
mentzer definitely got screwed though.
shit happens. spitting your dummie and becoming a meth addict was probably not the answer.
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1972 and 1980 are both highly debatable whether the Oak should have won.
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1972 and 1980 are both highly debatable whether the Oak should have won.
i don't think it's debatable if you're judging a bbing contest as opposed to an ass licking contest.
arnold had weak legs and a lack of thickness, density, symmetry and proportion.
in short, he was off.
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I was trying to be respectful to Arnold. How he beat The Myth in 1972 is beyond me..... ???
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arnold was more cut than oliva in 1972 his calves were better also
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arnold was more cut than oliva in 1972 his calves were better also
You better go look at the photos... The Myth was more conditioned than he was in 72... Who ever heard of an O winning because he had 1 better bodypart... Calves? ::)
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oliva had enormous arms but they didnt havr arnold separation no idont think oliva was better than the oak
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Arnold won in 1980 because he was the best. In 1972 if you see the vid it is clear it was close but Arnold was more cut and had better shape.
I knew you wouldn't see it any other way... You love the guy PB.
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I remember a quote from Joe Weider on this topic. He said the other bodybuilders should be glad Arnold won in 1980 because if he had lost his ego would force him to come back better than ever and win it 5 more times.
Maybe, but then they would have been AMAZING wins... not just gimmes... When Arnold won, I mean won, hands down... was the best, I've never seen anyone better (Well, I'm a fan of The Myth, but I digress)... but there were times when he wasn't the best, but he won anyway.
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Best conditioning there was Dickerson.
Platz was ripped off.
Zane was great, but past prime, and it showed...
Now in '81... thats when Platz and Padilla really got ripped off. No politics ::)
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Arnold was at 70% and still good enough to beat the competition. Notice Mentzer's tiny chest!
Agreed 100%. A picture is worth a 1000 words and he smokes them all in that pic.
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read boyer coe interview on bodybuiding .com he talks about the 1980 olympia .arnold won becauseof his huge reputation also . it remains a controversial event .
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Whatever, arnold still looked good. Best upperbody in history
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best upper body ever belongs to ron coleman or sergio ithink
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best upper body ever belongs to ron coleman or sergio ithink
I'm inclined to go with the Myth myself.
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Olivia was unbeatable in 72 only wieders politics and homo-erotic fantasys of Arnie led him to victory
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Olivia was unbeatable in 72 only wieders politics and homo-erotic fantasys of Arnie led him to victory
1. oliva
2. which contest are you referring to where oliva got ripped off against arnold?
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1. oliva
2. which contest are you referring to where oliva got ripped off against arnold?
1. inconsequential
2. Even Brunschawgger later admitted that OLIVA looked better.
Have you watched the film of that? I have and Arnold looked much better than Sergio.
I have a vintage copy of "Muscle" in my basment with all the black and whites Sergio was not just a little better he was miles better
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I have a digitally remastered copy and Arnold is way more cut, poses much better and is almost as big as Sergio. I will grant you 1972 was Arnolds worst year besides 1980 but he was still much better than the bloated Sergio.
Your last commment "bloated Sergio" shows you know absolutely nothing about BBing, and your one of Arnies gay boys.
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its amazing that oliva was aformer weightlifter ,weightlifting does not promote very symmetrical physiques ,
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Your last commment "bloated Sergio" shows you know absolutely nothing about BBing, and your one of Arnies gay boys.
yep, calling sergio's 1972 condition bloated is just plain stupid.
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Arnold was the man. While he was not at his best that night............he was the best up on that stage that night. ;D
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Sergio was bloated in every show. If he had any idea how to diet and change his drug use before a show he could have beaten Arnold.
Bodybuilding is not just about size, Sergio never learned that lesson.
sergio DID beat arnold and won the olympia title.
even arnold was gobsmacked by the myth and accepted 2nd place before they even walked on stage. check your facts.
to say sergio was bloated displays your ignorance too. sergio was so far ahead of any other bber that no one even bothered to compete with him. the only reason arnold was heavily favoured by weider was because of the colour of sergio's skin and the fact that he was from a communist country (cuba). it was a double strike for sergio and weider knew there was no way he could sell sergio. enter arnold and the rest is history.
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I remember reading something by Mentzer which he wrote that while backstage at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, seeing Arnold in his trunks backstage gave him a tremendous boost in confidence. He thought at that moment "Not only am I going to win the Olympia, but I'm also going to beat Arnold Schwarzenegger!"
these photos posted here are from the year before the 1980 mr. Olympia. they were in a 1979 Muscle Builder/Power
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its amazing that oliva was aformer weightlifter ,weightlifting does not promote very symmetrical physiques ,
So was Arnold
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Best conditioning there was Dickerson.
Platz was ripped off.
Zane was great, but past prime, and it showed...
Now in '81... thats when Platz and Padilla really got ripped off. No politics ::)
I was at 1980 Mr.Olympia , it was set up audience was booooiiiing Arnold , Joe Weider cowardly run of the stage.
Two australian judges Jan Jansen & Frank Burwash (honest guys) have not show up for the final, this is the fact.
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paul graham, who was the promoter of this austalian affair. was a friend of scwarzenegger. arnold was lucky to win . mentzer or no mentzer he would have won.
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I have a digitally remastered copy and Arnold is way more cut, poses much better and is almost as big as Sergio. I will grant you 1972 was Arnolds worst year besides 1980 but he was still much better than the bloated Sergio.
I have a vintage copy of "Muscle" in my basment with all the black and whites Sergio was not just a little better he was miles better
I was there, sitting in front of the judges!
But the stage lights were shining in my eyes, so I couldn't see shit, sorry :-\.....
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Arnold was the man. While he was not at his best that night............he was the best up on that stage that night. ;D
Nope. No legs at all......
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correction. his calves were great in australia but yes the thighs were missing. great biceps . too .and his reputation. but the rest of him .. well ...
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correction. his calves were great in australia but yes the thighs were missing. great biceps . too .and his reputation. but the rest of him .. well ...
OK, he still had the monster calves, but his thighs were what, about 22 inches.....??
400# vertical leg presses for reps, along with 135# stiff legged deadlifts for hams do not cut it for the O.
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i agree on that ..
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correction. his calves were great in australia but yes the thighs were missing. great biceps . too .and his reputation. but the rest of him .. well ...
he would not perform a side-tricep
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Arnold has muscles - Mentzer had meth
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Arnold has muscles - Mentzer had meth
;D ;D
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Arnold has muscles - Mentzer had meth
True that.
As I have stated here before I ran into Mentzer outside of Gold's Venice in 1988, the meth years, and he was as cookoo as a coco puff.
In fact he was so out of shape, huge pot belly, filthy clothes, I did not even recognize him-dead serious. I thought he was one of the local homeless beach bums....
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True that.
As I have stated here before I ran into Mentzer outside of Gold's Venice in 1988, the meth years, and he was as cookoo as a coco puff.
In fact he was so out of shape, huge pot belly, filthy clothes, I did not even recognize him-dead serious. I thought he was one of the local homeless beach bums....
May he Pest in Peace
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Not at his best....and his thighs are pathetic, looks like they belong on a 12 year old girl. ;D
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Height, Biceps, chest and name
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1980 Australia.
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Height, Biceps, chest and name
Pretty muc says it all.
I still like the way Roger Walker looked in 1980-big and thick.
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Pretty muc says it all.
I still like the way Roger Walker looked in 1980-big and thick.
Not at his best but still good enough to win. People call it a fix because he wasn't the same arnold from 74/75. The reality is noone there was better than him.
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Couple here not so common ones of the 1980 OLYMPIA..
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arnolds back 1980 :P :P :P
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arnolds back 1980 :P :P :P
Arnold is right up there with Boyer, who had arguably the thickest back of the show; next to Chris Dickerson.
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here's a photo of Arnold taken by Vince B. he was front and center and i think took several shots he was not credited for. Like Keith, one of the only guys on getbig that met the legends of bb yet gets no respect from the youngsters on here.
rik
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here's a photo of Arnold taken by Vince B. he was front and center and i think took several shots he was not credited for. Like Keith, one of the only guys on getbig that met the legends of bb yet gets no respect from the youngsters on here.
rik
Thanks buddy but those kids do nothing to me. I really think its funny.
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Thanks buddy but those kids do nothing to me. I really think its funny.
i know you're cool with it, but it still bugs me. guess i'm not used to cyber-insults. you know in real life they would want to sit on yer lap and hear about the good old days.
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Here's a rare one of Arnold from Sydney 1980. ;)
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after all this happy new year . 2009 is close
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Here's a rare one of Arnold from Sydney 1980. ;)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107748.0;attach=294466;image)
Courtesy of Pollux. ;)
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Courtesy of Pollux. ;)
I was going to put C/O arnoldplatz ??? ??? ??? after reading yr thread about people swiping pics without saying "where" they came from its now apparent were that "rare" pic came from ??? ??? ??? other than those of us that HAVE scanned lots and lot of pictures and put them up WE seem to be the only ones that know they are from us Originally, HELL Ive just noticed over @ BUILT REPORT they have started a "new" thread up on the 1970 MR WORLD.... >:( >:( >:(....the bastards didn,t say thanks, kiss my bum, anything about the shots i scanned straight out of MY book MR OLYMPIA and posted here @ getbig the one of Dave & Sergio hitting a bicep shot and Arnold doing a side chest. >:(
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I was going to put C/O arnoldplatz ??? ??? ??? after reading yr thread about people swiping pics without saying "where" they came from its now apparent were that "rare" pic came from ??? ??? ??? other than those of us that HAVE scanned lots and lot of pictures and put them up WE seem to be the only ones that know they are from us Originally, HELL Ive just noticed over @ BUILT REPORT they have started a "new" thread up on the 1970 MR WORLD.... >:( >:( >:(....the bastards didn,t say thanks, kiss my bum, anything about the shots i scanned straight out of MY book MR OLYMPIA and posted here @ getbig the one of Dave & Sergio hitting a bicep shot and Arnold doing a side chest. >:(
Those bastards!
Actually, Arnoldplatz over at Ironage ALWAYS "borrows" any rare Arnold pics I have and posts them over on that website. Not that I care, but damn, gimme some credit! >:(
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I was going to put C/O arnoldplatz ??? ??? ??? after reading yr thread about people swiping pics without saying "where" they came from its now apparent were that "rare" pic came from ??? ??? ??? other than those of us that HAVE scanned lots and lot of pictures and put them up WE seem to be the only ones that know they are from us Originally, HELL Ive just noticed over @ BUILT REPORT they have started a "new" thread up on the 1970 MR WORLD.... >:( >:( >:(....the bastards didn,t say thanks, kiss my bum, anything about the shots i scanned straight out of MY book MR OLYMPIA and posted here @ getbig the one of Dave & Sergio hitting a bicep shot and Arnold doing a side chest. >:(
The majority of the 1970 AAU Mr. World pics came from Tamas of IronAge forums. Yet, because you caused a little hissyfit, they're now crediting Johnny for the majority of pics there.
I say, if you post something and care so much about credit, either watermark it yourself or don't post it. Would solve alot of problems and confusion.
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The majority of the 1970 AAU Mr. World pics came from Tamas of IronAge forums. Yet, because you caused a little hissyfit, they're now crediting Johnny for the majority of pics there.
I say, if you post something and care so much about credit, either watermark it yourself or don't post it. Would solve alot of problems and confusion.
LOL...The responce i made back to Pollux was more tongue and cheek than a SERIOUS responce or attack @ Built report, if Built report want to credit Tamas, myself, Pollux or the man on the moon with those or any other shots i can live with that...as i said it wasn,t meant as a NASTY SERIOUS RESPONCE as you for whatever reason have decided to make a issue on...however as with most things reading post's of others and so forth is in the eye of the beholder and in this case you've run the wrong way with the ball.
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LOL...The responce i made back to Pollux was more tongue and cheek than a SERIOUS responce or attack @ Built report, if Built report want to credit Tamas, myself, Pollux or the man on the moon with those or any other shots i can live with that...as i said it wasn,t meant as a NASTY SERIOUS RESPONCE as you for whatever reason have decided to make a issue on...however as with most things reading post's of others and so forth is in the eye of the beholder and in this case you've run the wrong way with the ball.
I just don't want to see you credited for someone else's scans. Even though you didn't mean to, look what happened. You scanned one or two shots and the rest of the rest of the pics have now been "credited to johnny1."
This is what happens when people get too caught up in wanting credit for everything.
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I just don't want to see the wrong person credited for someone else's scans. Because that's what's bound to happen. You'll scan one shot and all of the rest of the pics you post will now be "credited to johnny1." This is what happens when people get too caught up in wanting credit for everything.
No worries Fair enough, if anyone from BUILT REPORT is reading this post Credit Tamas from ironage for the 1970 aau Mr World scans as Goneaway has correctly pointed out most of the scans were from Tamas at ironage (well we think they were SCANNED by Tamas originally) no offence meant to you guys there at Built report :) :) :)
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Not arnold, but thought this picture of Mikes back was outstanding from the 1980 show :o
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Mentzer was fucking awesome and he should have punched Arnold in his fucking cocky arrogant mouth! Arnold's a fucking homo anyways. Always has been. Mentzer was the epitome of power and that solid looking brick shit house build. Arnold was a twig when he came off the drugs! Arnold was a big pussy too! He couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Always talking shit and never backing his big mouth up. Someone needed to shut his lilly ass up but no one did.
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Mentzer was fucking awesome and he should have punched Arnold in his fucking cocky arrogant mouth! Arnold's a fucking homo anyways. Always has been. Mentzer was the epitome of power and that solid looking brick shit house build. Arnold was a twig when he came off the drugs! Arnold was a big pussy too! He couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Always talking shit and never backing his big mouth up. Someone needed to shut his lilly ass up but no one did.
hmmm, don't know about most of that
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Arnold would NEVER, ever talk smack unless he had Franco and some of the boys with him....old story where A was getting his ass beat by a southerner in Gold's, Franco jumped in and bit the guy's leg
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hmmm, don't know about most of that
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Arnold would NEVER, ever talk smack unless he had Franco and some of the boys with him....old story where A was getting his ass beat by a southerner in Gold's, Franco jumped in and bit the guy's leg
Arnold had pussy written all over his face back then. Franco was a loud mouth Italian as well as a shitty boxer. Both were Europeans with big mouths, like blacks were only tough in each others' presence. Mentzer was his own man......like drifter he walked alone.
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Arnold had pussy written all over his face back then. Franco was a loud mouth Italian as well as a shitty boxer. Both were Europeans with big mouths, like blacks were only tough in each others' presence. Mentzer was his own man......like drifter he walked alone.
That last sentence was almost poetic, lol.
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That last sentence was almost poetic, lol.
it's from an 80's song. here i go again on my own. i think Whitesnake
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Arnold had pussy written all over his face back then. Franco was a loud mouth Italian as well as a shitty boxer. Both were Europeans with big mouths, like blacks were only tough in each others' presence. Mentzer was his own man......like drifter he walked alone.
I was in hospital ER recently...white patient became enraged at something while being checked in....shouted "Obama my ass..."....there where many patients/people of color present...no one moved or said a thing. Nothing. Made me chuckle.
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Mentzer was fucking awesome and he should have punched Arnold in his fucking cocky arrogant mouth! Arnold's a fucking homo anyways. Always has been. Mentzer was the epitome of power and that solid looking brick shit house build. Arnold was a twig when he came off the drugs! Arnold was a big pussy too! He couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Always talking shit and never backing his big mouth up. Someone needed to shut his lilly ass up but no one did.
7 Mr. Olympia titles; 5 Mr. Universe titles; and a Mr. World did the back up, bonehead.
Mike 'Cry Baby' Mentzer had a good physique, I give him that, but damn did he have issues.
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7 Mr. Olympia titles; 5 Mr. Universe titles; and a Mr. World did the back up, bonehead.
Mike 'Cry Baby' Mentzer had a good physique, I give him that, but damn did he have issues.
he was referring to his reticence to throw fists
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he was referring to his reticence to throw fists
Well, Ex-lax, Arnold's reticence to throw fists was out the window during his European days.
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Mentzer was fucking awesome and he should have punched Arnold in his fucking cocky arrogant mouth! Arnold's a fucking homo anyways. Always has been. Mentzer was the epitome of power and that solid looking brick shit house build. Arnold was a twig when he came off the drugs! Arnold was a big pussy too! He couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. Always talking shit and never backing his big mouth up. Someone needed to shut his lilly ass up but no one did.
Mentzer was without a doubt, one of the best ever but he couldn't carry Arnold's jock strap......especially off stage......Arnold was and is, a man that has achieved so very much.......800 million dollar net worth.......Governor.... ....most recognizable action star/movie star in the world.......7 Mr. O........COME ON......the man has done it all.......getting back to bodybuilding, Mentzer had great tris, shoulders, calves and overall muscle density......but Arnold was a little more pleasing to look at.......as far as arrogance and cockiness goes......Mentzer had plenty of that going on... just my .02
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Well, Ex-lax, Arnold's reticence to throw fists was out the window during his European days.
The embarassing man-luv for Arnold leaves our resident Arnold groupie with no objectivity-Arnold can do no wrong, anyone who dares question him including Mentzer are jerks, etc lol. Pollux with no embarassment whatsoever constantly riding Arnold's sack-i'm sure Arnold would want to avoid this guy like the plague.
Thus the unnecessary, over the top attacks on Mentzer. Pollux is much like the fawning sidekicks who Arnold always had around him for protection because of Arnold the weasel's big mouth. At the 80s Olympia he had Waller there beside him, wouldn't talk tough without someone to protect him.
When Arnold was without sidekicks he harassed ONLY those who were smaller, like Robby Robinson's wife and an assortment of other women.
Mentzer was not in great condition in '80 and didn't deserve to win. Arnold wasn't what he was but was still one of the better guys there.
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Well, Ex-lax, Arnold's reticence to throw fists was out the window during his European days.
Witty. Yeah, he was such an astute choir boy...always did the right things...'bollux' (as they'd say in London)
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The embarassing man-luv for Arnold leaves our resident Arnold groupie with no objectivity-Arnold can do no wrong, anyone who dares question him including Mentzer are jerks, etc lol. Pollux with no embarassment whatsoever constantly riding Arnold's sack-i'm sure Arnold would want to avoid this guy like the plague.
Thus the unnecessary, over the top attacks on Mentzer. Pollux is much like the fawning sidekicks who Arnold always had around him for protection because of Arnold the weasel's big mouth. At the 80s Olympia he had Waller there beside him, wouldn't talk tough without someone to protect him.
When Arnold was without sidekicks he harassed ONLY those who were smaller, like Robby Robinson's wife and an assortment of other women.
Mentzer was not in great condition in '80 and didn't deserve to win. Arnold wasn't what he was but was still one of the better guys there.
Agree with all except on Mentzer's condition.
Yeah, Pollux, since you love posting A pics so much...how about the classic where Mentzer is confronting him and all Arnold can do is distainfully waive his hand and stare at the floor. What a man.
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Mentzer was without a doubt, one of the best ever but he couldn't carry Arnold's jock strap......especially off stage......Arnold was and is, a man that has achieved so very much.......800 million dollar net worth.......Governor........most recognizable action star/movie star in the world.......7 Mr. O........COME ON......the man has done it all.......getting back to bodybuilding, Mentzer had great tris, shoulders, calves and overall muscle density......but Arnold was a little more pleasing to look at.......as far as arrogance and cockiness goes......Mentzer had plenty of that going on... just my .02
Since he has proven over time his dislike towards those of color and such, how do you think he feels about Oprah being worth over two billion?
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Yeah, Pollux, since you love posting A pics so much...how about the classic where Mentzer is confronting him and all Arnold can do is distainfully waive his hand and stare at the floor. What a man.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_1143.jpg)
And the following pic is where Arnold is seen giving Samir Bannout a five to acknowledge that Mike's head was too easy to fuck with... ;)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_1144.jpg)
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The embarassing man-luv for Arnold leaves our resident Arnold groupie with no objectivity-Arnold can do no wrong, anyone who dares question him including Mentzer are jerks
In reference to all the hoopla that happened at the 1980 Mr. Olympia between Mike Mentzer and Arnold Schwarzenegger, then no. I saw Arnold do no wrong.
I can admit that I could've seen Arnold in second place at that event with Chris Dickerson taking the title being that he was the ONLY man, I believe, to give Arnold a run for his money that year.
I can also admit Arnold bringing Franco on stage during the show was a little ridiculous and uncalled for. But for this event, Arnold was the better man and showpiece.
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_1146.jpg)
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_1143.jpg)
And the following pic is where Arnold is seen giving Samir Bannout a five to acknowledge that Mike's head was too easy to fuck with... ;)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w142/Flex2000/IMG_1144.jpg)
No.
"Thank God Mentzer did not rip my pouty mouth off of my face..."
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I love the reivisionism visited by pollux.
Boyer Coe who was there in the middle of it, says it turned out entirely to the contrary to the fiction spun by Schwarzenegger and accepted by the masses like pollux.
Schwarzenegger tried to create problems and the guys involved like Coe and Mentzer wouldn't have any of it, in fact no one other than Schwarzenegger wanted the contest to be changed! LOL
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I love the reivisionism visited by pollux.
Boyer Coe who was there in the middle of it, says it turned out entirely to the contrary to the fiction spun by Schwarzenegger and accepted by the masses like pollux.
Schwarzenegger tried to create problems and the guys involved like Coe and Mentzer wouldn't have any of it, in fact no one other than Schwarzenegger wanted the contest to be changed! LOL
Arnold had big pecs...
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Arnold had big pecs...
The chest and arms were his trademark.
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I love the reivisionism visited by pollux.
Boyer Coe who was there in the middle of it, says it turned out entirely to the contrary to the fiction spun by Schwarzenegger and accepted by the masses like pollux.
Schwarzenegger tried to create problems and the guys involved like Coe and Mentzer wouldn't have any of it, in fact no one other than Schwarzenegger wanted the contest to be changed! LOL
Correct.
In fact, if this 'Pollux' character really knew as much as he likes to think he does about his beloved Arnie, he'd know that that very thing was written in the 1980 M&F 1980 O coverage issue....that everyone was fine with the one class except the big mouthed one.
I believe Jack neary wrote the piece, and Arnold was pissed about it and even confronted Neary sometime later in Canada.
"I wish you could be more positive..." , he told Neary.
The competitors were concerned about proze money....and A made some half-assed comment that the bb's were losers for having to depend on the prize$
Now, pollux, before you get your panties in a bunch....I recall the above from a magazine printed about 30 years ago.
Its imprinted in my mind.
I don't have archives at my fingertips like you seem to.
Some details may be off. But the above is the general idea.
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Correct.
In fact, if this 'Pollux' character really knew as much as he likes to think he does about his beloved Arnie, he'd know that that very thing was written in the 1980 M&F 1980 O coverage issue....that everyone was fine with the one class except the big mouthed one.
I believe Jack neary wrote the piece, and Arnold was pissed about it and even confronted Neary sometime later in Canada.
"I wish you could be more positive..." , he told Neary.
The competitors were concerned about proze money....and A made some half-assed comment that the bb's were losers for having to depend on the prize$
Now, pollux, before you get your panties in a bunch....I recall the above from a magazine printed about 30 years ago.
Its imprinted in my mind.
I don't have archives at my fingertips like you seem to.
Some details may be off. But the above is the general idea.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I say Arnold did NOT dispute the weight classes, bonehead. That, I knew he did.
By the way, it was the Feb. '81 issue of Muscle & Fitness. ;D
And my panties are just fine. :D
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Dickerson was definitely @ his best in 1980!!!!! His triceps development and back detail were out of this world!!!!
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Dickerson was definitely @ his best in 1980!!!!! His triceps development and back detail were out of this world!!!!
Agreed. As I've said...he's the ONLY person who gave Arnold a run for his money at the 1980 Olympia.
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Since he has proven over time his dislike towards those of color and such, how do you think he feels about Oprah being worth over two billion?
I agree with you.....Oprah and don't forget Robert Johnson, founder of BET, at one time a billionaire before his divorce. You must ask Bill Grant about the accusations Arnold has faced.....also ask Leon Brown about this......2 of Arnold's good friends to this day......both men of color.
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Both men defend Arnold wholeheartedly!
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I agree with you.....Oprah and don't forget Robert Johnson, founder of BET, at one time a billionaire before his divorce. You must ask Bill Grant about the accusations Arnold has faced.....also ask Leon Brown about this......2 of Arnold's good friends to this day......both men of color.
Dave Dupre...and giant of a man whom I can tell you would be afraid of NO MAN in his day...can tell you Arnold bigot stories galore..A was ripping on Joe as a jew...Dave said, "Hey, German, was it not Joe the Jew who brought you here...?
That would shut his curled, aryan mouth
Oh yeah, homo Pollux...where are you amidst all this??? Boo Hoo Hoo
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oliva had enormous arms but they didnt havr arnold separation no idont think oliva was better than the oak
i agree with you 100 percent!!!!
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in fact as we discuss this ad infinitum most of us were not present this day in australia. we judges by pictures . films and hearsay.
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Dickerson was definitely @ his best in 1980!!!!! His triceps development and back detail were out of this world!!!!
true
but, is anyone else like me in that he would just lose something when viewing his total physique?
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The only reason why Arnold only won 6 O titles is becasue he retired. Otherwise he would have won it another 6 times and the cry baby contestants like Mentzer would have looked even more stupid.
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The only reason why Arnold only won 6 O titles is becasue he retired. Otherwise he would have won it another 6 times and the cry baby contestants like Mentzer would have looked even more stupid.
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Dave Dupre...and giant of a man whom I can tell you would be afraid of NO MAN in his day...can tell you Arnold bigot stories galore..A was ripping on Joe as a jew...Dave said, "Hey, German, was it not Joe the Jew who brought you here...?
That would shut his curled, aryan mouth
Oh yeah, homo Pollux...where are you amidst all this??? Boo Hoo Hoo
Of course. Unfortunately most weren't there and refuse to compromise the one-dimensional fantasies about Schwarzenegger, who has always been equal parts charming and ahole from day one. He just hides it better now because it's necessary.
As far as speculation on how many more he'd have won, the numbers really don't count for that much because the show has more often than not been less than fair. Most of the top BBs were not even at the Olympia for most of the 70s, thus who "won" counts about as much as the results of the 1984 Olympics without the Russians there. Columbu and Zane don't win in the 70s if Oliva or Nubret in good shape show up, in fairly judged shows. Robinson and possibly Fox win at least once in the late 70s even accounting for all the stock excuses thrown out there that don't entirely hold up (Robinson's condition was an issue most of the time but check the video of '78 and see that he was in at least Zane's condition and a lot bigger and better, contrary to popular misconception).
That's the beauty of decades of history-most forget and/or weren't there and/or memories of some fade, revionist history sets in and is propogated by most. ;D
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Arnold was at 70% and still good enough to beat the competition. Notice Mentzer's tiny chest!
I totally agree with this, Arnold was clearly better than Mentzer that day, even Zane was better than Menzter.
I don't understand why people say Mike should have won.
I take this back entirely!! I said it based on 1 photo I looked at.
How naive was I back then, now after closely looking at more pictures of the 1980 Mr. Olympia, a video and taking knowledge of a lot of facts regarding Arnold and Weider, I have to say:
Mike Mentzer was the best conditioned of the show, in my opinion he should have won. I was stupid saying that Zane looked better. :P
I know a lot of you disagree Mike should have won, but he definitively deserved top 3 and was better than Arnold overall.
I remember I used to be a big Arnold "fan", but not anymore, I saw pictured of the 1972 Olympia, another fixed show in my opinion.
But I don't want to say Arnold sucks or anything like that, he was one of the best and deserved most of his victories.
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mentzer chest or schwarzenegger thighs what is worse.. arnold won because of reputation and his upper body size. it was not his most memorable win .
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Dickerson was definitely @ his best in 1980!!!!! His triceps development and back detail were out of this world!!!!
Got any pics?
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A comparison between Arnold and Mike from the 1980 Olympia, 0:09-2:29 for Arnold and 3:04-4:28 for Mentzer:
Mike looked better in my opinion.
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A nice backstage pic:
(http://www.mikementzer.com/mikearn.jpg)
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A nice backstage pic:
(http://www.mikementzer.com/mikearn.jpg)
Menzter had one of the coolest fucking builds of that era in my opinion. He just looked strong and tough as fuck. yeah Arnold had a kick ass physique but it never screamed brick shit house. Arnold came off the drugs and shrank.
If Arnold and mentzer ever went at it..........Mike would have knocked Arnold back into his sleeping in old men's bed days.
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Agreed. As I've said...he's the ONLY person who gave Arnold a run for his money at the 1980 Olympia.
yip heres a rare one of Chris in Excellent shape @ the 1980 O 8) 8) 8)
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Menzter had one of the coolest fucking builds of that era in my opinion. He just looked strong and tough as fuck. yeah Arnold had a kick ass physique but it never screamed brick shit house. Arnold came off the drugs and shrank.
If Arnold and mentzer ever went at it..........Mike would have knocked Arnold back into his sleeping in old men's bed days.
Yes, Mike's build was amazing. He's one of my favorite bodybuilders from that era.
He would have knocked all of Arnold's cockiness out of him.
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What most Arnold nuthuggers fail to see is that Arnold that year had no density at all. Mentzer, because of his training, had unequalled density for that time period. At the time, this wasn't a criteria as important as it is now. But the difference is obvious. Arnold winning that show is almost as ridiculous as Columbu winning in '81.
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arnold was booed by 40 percent of the crowd . a strange contest ... his motivation for coming back seems to be strange too.. wanted to put others in their places .. his hair was never well combed in that show . in those days the arnold legend was already great.. and judging criterias were not the same as today.
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In the documentary "The Comeback" which is Arnolds return to competition for the 80' Olympia, there is a guy in a suit that is always with Arnold. He's pretty much sucking his dick the whole time and really seems out of place. Anyone know who this guy was?
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In the documentary "The Comeback" which is Arnolds return to competition for the 80' Olympia, there is a guy in a suit that is always with Arnold. He's pretty much sucking his dick the whole time and really seems out of place. Anyone know who this guy was?
I believe his name was Bill Drake. He promoted himself as a nutritionist and I think Arnold had business dealings with him. Definitely comes off in the film as Arnold's lackey. There's a scene where Arnold's posing for him in his underwear and every time Arnold hits a pose, Drake say something like.. "Massive". Arnold hits another pose..he goes, "Brutal." Finally, he runs out of shit to say and he looks at Arnold and says, "What do I do now?" Pretty funny.
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I believe his name was Bill Drake. He promoted himself as a nutritionist and I think Arnold had business dealings with him. Definitely comes off in the film as Arnold's lackey. There's a scene where Arnold's posing for him in his underwear and every time Arnold hits a pose, Drake say something like.. "Massive". Arnold hits another pose..he goes, "Brutal." Finally, he runs out of shit to say and he looks at Arnold and says, "What do I do now?" Pretty funny.
LMAO! ;D
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I believe his name was Bill Drake. He promoted himself as a nutritionist and I think Arnold had business dealings with him. Definitely comes off in the film as Arnold's lackey. There's a scene where Arnold's posing for him in his underwear and every time Arnold hits a pose, Drake say something like.. "Massive". Arnold hits another pose..he goes, "Brutal." Finally, he runs out of shit to say and he looks at Arnold and says, "What do I do now?" Pretty funny.
Thanks Chemist,
I use to have a copy of the film and I remember thinking who the hell is this guy? He just seemed out of place and you could tell his purpose was to stroke Arnold's ego.
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Thanks Chemist,
I use to have a copy of the film and I remember thinking who the hell is this guy? He just seemed out of place and you could tell his purpose was to stroke Arnold's ego.
That wasn't the only thing he was stroking of Arnold's. I mean come on people it's obvious Arnold was a closet homo or atleast bisexual.
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Arnold Vs.Mike in a back double biceps...
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Side quarterturns....
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More...
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Some front shots...
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More from the rear...
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When I think of this contest, I think of a few thing:
1. Arnold beat Mentzer, had the more aesthetic and flowing physique as well as better arms and chest. He was comparable everywhere else, plus he had a vacuum (which Mentzer pointed out bodybuilding does not exist in a vacuum lol)
2. If Mentzer never retired, would he have ever had the title? I think he would have in 82 maybe, 83 maybe, then Haney would have beaten him cleanly. However Mentzer vs Franco would have been awesome, did they ever face off?
3. If Mentzer took the loss and did not bitch about it until the day he died, would anyone still be talking about it?
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More from the rear...
These pics clearly show how dominant Arnold was and how he put the competition to bed.
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Arnold had an injured shoulder and couldnt train hard for Mr O 1980, hence his poor condition/ining ???
Still doesnt explain how Mentzer and/or Platz got shafted and overlooked. They both should have placed ahead of Arnie, and its debatable who should've won.
He only won due to his name. Cant place the great A.S. 3rd or lower.
And he still destroyed all the competition which is why Arnold was / is the best. Had he not gone to Holywood he would have won the "O" another 10 times.
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Arnold looks poor for the Arnold we see in his 'best' shots 5 years earlier.This is the first ive really noticed how hes much smaller through the arms, chest and legs than b4.Quite shocked really.
Saying that, from the comparison shots id still have him winning the show as theres not much better there
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Arnold looks poor for the Arnold we see in his 'best' shots 5 years earlier.This is the first ive really noticed how hes much smaller through the arms, chest and legs than b4.Quite shocked really.
Saying that, from the comparison shots id still have him winning the show as theres not much better there
I agree. Arnold '70-'75 was superior to the 1980 version, in every way. It's amazing though; when you look at the side comparisons in particular, he seems to have the edge. I still think Mentzer's improvement over his '79 condition should have pushed him higher in the judges' eyes.
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Funny thing is NO ONE posting in this thread was actually there. One of the things I've realized about bodybuilders and bodybuilding is how strikingly different they look in person. Sometimes that's good or sometimes that's bad. I've heard from old timers that were ACTUALLY in the crowd at the competition that the pictures don't do the competitors justice at all. Arnold looked a lot worse than his pictures and vice versa for Menzter. Menzter had one of the most kick ass physiques in all of bodybuilding. He was built like a brick shit house reinforced with steel and concrete................ .Arnold was built..............well like an Oak Tree. Which one oozes strength, power, solidarity??????????? An Oak tree or a Menzter? LOL.....Oak Trees look great, old, big and strong, but when the wind blows the wrong way they snap in half. A brick shit house is built to last. Arnold's physique was all drugs. Mentzers was a lot of hardwork, sweat, and discipline. Menzter used steroids for sure......but show me an "offseason" pic of Mentzer during that time? Not too many of them. Now show me an offseason pic of Arnold......they are all over the internet.
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Funny thing is NO ONE posting in this thread was actually there. One of the things I've realized about bodybuilders and bodybuilding is how strikingly different they look in person. Sometimes that's good or sometimes that's bad. I've heard from old timers that were ACTUALLY in the crowd at the competition that the pictures don't do the competitors justice at all. Arnold looked a lot worse than his pictures and vice versa for Menzter. Menzter had one of the most kick ass physiques in all of bodybuilding. He was built like a brick shit house reinforced with steel and concrete................ .Arnold was built..............well like an Oak Tree. Which one oozes strength, power, solidarity??????????? An Oak tree or a Menzter? LOL.....Oak Trees look great, old, big and strong, but when the wind blows the wrong way they snap in half. A brick shit house is built to last. Arnold's physique was all drugs. Mentzers was a lot of hardwork, sweat, and discipline. Menzter used steroids for sure......but show me an "offseason" pic of Mentzer during that time? Not too many of them. Now show me an offseason pic of Arnold......they are all over the internet.
Mentzer was built like a "brick shit house" indeed- but Arnold all drugs?...come on. The reason you don't see too many pictures of Mentzer off season was because his gut was too huge. Arnold on the other hand had a different bone stucture and tended to be slender and athletic in the off season.
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Mentzer was built like a "brick shit house" indeed- but Arnold all drugs?...come on. The reason you don't see too many pictures of Mentzer off season was because his gut was too huge. Arnold on the other hand had a different bone stucture and tended to be slender and athletic in the off season.
Ok so post up these supposed offseason pics of Menzter with a huge gut? I'm not talking in the last few years before he died when he was a middle aged man I mean when he was competing and heavily training. Let's see em...........where are they? Compare them to Arnold's off season pics. "Athletic" is a term skinny people use to make themselves feel better about being skinny. I"ve seen a few pictures of Arnold when he came off the drugs and he didn't even look like he traine. He had the legs of a 15 year old girl.
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Menzter was a fucking solid, consistent competitor. When you look at his picture..........his physique oozes with power and force and domination. If it wasn't for Arnold's height he wouldn't have been that impressive of a bodybuilder. He was only ever 235 lbs in competition. Not very "big" at all. In fact most of the Arnold nuthuggers never even saw the guy in person. Only pictures. Even Casey Viator was bigger than Arnold was at 18 years old. But because Arnold was always taller Viator always looks smaller.
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Menzter was a fucking solid, consistent competitor. When you look at his picture..........his physique oozes with power and force and domination. If it wasn't for Arnold's height he wouldn't have been that impressive of a bodybuilder. He was only ever 235 lbs in competition. Not very "big" at all. In fact most of the Arnold nuthuggers never even saw the guy in person. Only pictures. Even Casey Viator was bigger than Arnold was at 18 years old. But because Arnold was always taller Viator always looks smaller.
Nuthuggers- that's funny. Never said Mentzer didn't ooze with power and force. See I'm one of those guys that can admire both physiques. The simple fact is that Arnold 70-75 was AWESOME. Size alone doesn't mean everything.
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Nuthuggers- that's funny. Never said Mentzer didn't ooze with power and force. See I'm one of those guys that can like and admire both physiques. The simple fact is that Arnold 70-75 was AWESOME. Size alone doesn't mean everything.
i'm still waiting on those pictures of menzter in the offseason with a huge gut. ;)
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i'm still waiting on those pictures of menzter in the offseason with a huge gut. ;)
OK you got me, I have none. His huge gut was on stage in '79 ;)
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If it wasn't for Arnold's height he wouldn't have been that impressive of a bodybuilder.
??? I think you might have dropped a plate on your head. ;D
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Menzter was a fucking solid, consistent competitor. When you look at his picture..........his physique oozes with power and force and domination. If it wasn't for Arnold's height he wouldn't have been that impressive of a bodybuilder. He was only ever 235 lbs in competition. Not very "big" at all. In fact most of the Arnold nuthuggers never even saw the guy in person. Only pictures. Even Casey Viator was bigger than Arnold was at 18 years old. But because Arnold was always taller Viator always looks smaller.
No matter what people say, this physique was one of the best ever. His showing the '80 O was not his best though. Still you can see the difference in density between him and most competitors (specially Arnold). But back then judges didn't give a fuck about this. Only when guys like Gaspari and specially Yates later on hit the scene, that this got into the equation.
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Dickerson should have been a two time Olympia winner 1980 and 1982.
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Dickerson and Arnold were the two best on stage that day. Period!
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i still beleive arnold was lucky to win in 1980 . so was franco the year after . small sport with two europeans giants who knew how to handle the americans.
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i am not a chris dickerson fan,but he did have the best physique that day.
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I always felt Mentzer had a beautiful physique....so did Robby Robinson....Arnold was a giant.....but lets face it....The bodybuilding establishment was not going to let Arnold go out a loser....he had too many backers and his personality was so forceful no one would DARE vote against him...who could vote against Arnold and then face him afterwards???
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I always felt Mentzer had a beautiful physique....so did Robby Robinson....Arnold was a giant.....but lets face it....The bodybuilding establishment was not going to let Arnold go out a loser....he had too many backers and his personality was so forceful no one would DARE vote against him...who could vote against Arnold and then face him afterwards???
Bill Pearl told Arnold after the show "If I were judging, I had you in 5th place".
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Bill Pearl told Arnold after the show "If I were judging, I had you in 5th place".
wow..interesting
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;D ;D
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i am not a chris dickerson fan,but he did have the best physique that day.
Great back detail and awesome calf development!
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nice bump on this topic.
Go look at the topic I just created on this.
Anyone who argues against Arnold is a fucking twat. LOL @ some of the replies from 2006. Arnold shits on them all.
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Arnold looked great for the 80 Olympia!!!
Not bad for being out of the sport for 5 years.
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Arnold looked great for the 80 Olympia!!!
Not bad for being out of the sport for 5 years.
agreed.....he didn't look bad bust still not sure if he should have won...however he still dwarfed everyone else on stage...Arnold was a badass mofo!!!
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agreed.....he didn't look bad bust still not sure if he should have won...however he still dwarfed everyone else on stage...Arnold was a badass mofo!!!
He had a good upper body. From the waist down, he was not in the top 6. Was good/for him they didn't count legs as much, he did have a good chest/biceps combo, him and Roy were 1 and 2 in those show muscles.
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his presentation was average . his hair as he was out of a shower . . the bend the rules to let him enter . etc ... . he came back to put the small soldiers back in their places meaning second behind the king ...
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arnold was badly groomed in the contest . hair wet and son on . mike chris and boyer were more professional .